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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
I'm gonna guess they are discussing a purely UK dynamic, because in the US, the trend seems to be rich people getting ridiculously rich while the poor gets poorer and poorer. The only relief from that seems to be that a small amount of job growth has slowed down the decline of the poor.
Y'all socialists don't know how lucky you are.
From a Guardian article on a Credit Suisse report: quote:
The UK is the only G7 country to record rising wealth inequality in 2000-14. Wealth inequality has risen four times faster in the seven years after the crash compared with the seven years before. The rich in the UK are becoming richer faster than ever. Wealth inequality rose under Labour; it rose faster under the coalition.
So who's lucky?
Hang on to your NHS. You are lucky.
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There are moves to privatise the NHS by the back door. Lots of the legislation is already in place to do this, and those who are challenging the companies moving in are now fighting a rearguard action. Particularly as the Conservatives who drove this lot forward are back in power.
Sadly CallmeDave reckons the US is a good model, not Scandinavia.
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This from The Guardian shows that the Conservatives are hand-in-glove with the health industry. I've no doubt everything is legal but that doesn't mean it's decent and won't influence ministers.
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
There are moves to privatize the NHS by the back door. Lots of the legislation is already in place to do this, and those who are challenging the companies moving in are now fighting a rearguard action. Particularly as the Conservatives who drove this lot forward are back in power.
Sadly CallmeDave reckons the US is a good model, not Scandinavia.
Riot in the streets (metaphorically, for legal clarification). Don't let them do it.
Let me tell you where I am coming from-- a year ago I was fully covered under Covered California. This year, two things happened: some idiot lost the photocopy of my passport that was taken when I submitted my initial application, and my income went from zero (when I was at school living on student loans) to $6000 (the half year I worked after I graduated.) First they yanked my enrollment altogether because they decided I was not a citizen. (Somewhat ethnic last name). Then when they did reinstate it, they decided my increased income, while desperately below poverty level, was too much for me to qualify for the Medicaid option.
I have a bad back and a tetanus booster that I need to attend to, out of pocket. Tell Dave to fuck himself. I implore you.
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An die Freude
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Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
There are moves to privatise the NHS by the back door. Lots of the legislation is already in place to do this, and those who are challenging the companies moving in are now fighting a rearguard action. Particularly as the Conservatives who drove this lot forward are back in power.
Sadly CallmeDave reckons the US is a good model, not Scandinavia.
To be fair, Scandinavia has been privatising their healthcare over at least 15 years. The old model just didn't work over here.
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Private involvement was introduced under the last labour government, the coalition get a lot of blame for it, but it was already happening.
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quetzalcoatl
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I am curious what Bibliophile's world-view is. I am guessing Christian Republican, American exceptionalist. Does that sound right? It certainly seems exotic on this forum. Is this really how Christianity computes for some?
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Kelly Alves
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You're seeing what the average American Shipmate is fleeing when they rush into the warm embrace of the Ship.
[ 17. June 2015, 23:09: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
I am curious what Bibliophile's world-view is. I am guessing Christian Republican, American exceptionalist. Does that sound right?
No, not right. You must have missed this post of mine on the Vietnam thread
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) - Heck, you'll be telling us next that the US colonists had some kind of God-given right to rise up against the legitimate Government that ruled them at the time ...
I think this question might get repeated in response to my last answer so I will answer it now. The US colonists had no such right. The lawful government of the colonies in 1776 was the British crown. Not only did the colonists have no God given right to rebel but Christian colonists were, in my view, morally obliged to be 'Tories' Romans 13 1-7.
The founding fathers for the most part were rich hypocritical slaveholders who used the rhetoric of 'liberty' to avoid paying their taxes and respecting their lawful government. The US government did not become the lawful government of the States until the Treaty of Paris in 1783.
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Kelly Alves
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I'm gonna post this in Hell because it's a Cracked article, but a. it's also got its sources linked in the text and, b. boy, is it timely.
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
I am curious what Bibliophile's world-view is.
I'll just go with totally bonkers.
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Pointless to try to argue with someone so embracing of a view of history which has no resemblance to the truth.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
I am curious what Bibliophile's world-view is.
I'll just go with totally bonkers.
My guess is that he's read some posts from our deano and is trying to be an American equivalent.
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Alan Cresswell
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That's assuming Bibliophile is American. I don't recall any specific mention of his nationality. Although his posts on the Vietnam thread make him look like a poster boy for "American Patriotism" (in scare quotes because I'm not sure it's patriotic to wish thousands of your fellow citizens to be killed and maimed in a civil war half way around the world)
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mr cheesy
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Given the timing of the posts, I think he is most likely in Europe. But obviously has an enormous ego to post with such authority on subjects which he clearly knows very little about.
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Sioni Sais
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i) Sorry America. Even if he (or just possibly she, but unlikely) is American, it's unfair to associate Bibliophile with anything. Except possibly books, as I've known some seriously weird booksellers in my life.
ii) My feeling about Bibliophile is like that of Viscount Melbourne for T B (Tom) Macauley. He said "I wish I was as cocksure of anything as Tom Macaulay is of everything."
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Gamaliel
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I must confess that I was surprised at Bibliophile's view of the Founding Fathers - because I'd had him down as some kind of US Exceptionalist or something ...
In the light of what he's posted, I suspect he's playing games or else is some kind of right-wing US libertarian who doesn't sign up to all of the myths of US Particularity -- or whatever the term is.
These do exist. I've met some of them in real life.
So he's probably having a good chuckle at our expense for having him down as a stereotypical red-neck Republican from one of the fly-over States.
Even though, by and large, he tends to post like one.
He'll be patting himself on the back now and congratulating himself on his sophistication for throwing us off the scent.
Still, whether he's from Wisconsin, Wyoming, Washington State or Washington DC he still wears his butt-hole where his mouth should be and we can all smell his farts.
There, I broke my promise not to offend him. Shows I'm fallible too. And that I break my promises, just as successive US administrations (and other governments) have ...
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orfeo
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Can you all just quit it with the "Who is Bibilophile really" games?
Or do you all need to work out the right box to put someone in before your brain can fire out an appropriate response to a post?
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Lyda*Rose
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
I am curious what Bibliophile's world-view is. I am guessing Christian Republican, American exceptionalist. Does that sound right?
No, not right. You must have missed this post of mine on the Vietnam thread
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
- Heck, you'll be telling us next that the US colonists had some kind of God-given right to rise up against the legitimate Government that ruled them at the time ...
I think this question might get repeated in response to my last answer so I will answer it now. The US colonists had no such right. The lawful government of the colonies in 1776 was the British crown. Not only did the colonists have no God given right to rebel but Christian colonists were, in my view, morally obliged to be 'Tories' Romans 13 1-7.
The founding fathers for the most part were rich hypocritical slaveholders who used the rhetoric of 'liberty' to avoid paying their taxes and respecting their lawful government. The US government did not become the lawful government of the States until the Treaty of Paris in 1783.
Canadian!
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Kelly Alves
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( avoiding the identity speculation, because I don't really give a shit)
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
... "American Patriotism" (in scare quotes because I'm not sure it's patriotic to wish thousands of your fellow citizens to be killed and maimed in a civil war half way around the world)
Thank you!
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Fair comment, Orfeo but we all try to 'place' people. I can understand how it might irritate though.
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mr cheesy
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He is from the planet Fuckwit studying a high-level course in being a complete dick.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Or do you all need to work out the right box to put someone in before your brain can fire out an appropriate response to a post?
orfeo: male....Australian.....gay......legal profession......calculating.......calculating......
No.
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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
He is from the planet Fuckwit studying a high-level course in being a complete dick.
mr cheesy: male....made of cheese......possibly fermented........calculating......calculating.....
Worked this out ages ago. You lot are slow.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Or do you all need to work out the right box to put someone in before your brain can fire out an appropriate response to a post?
orfeo: male....Australian.....gay......legal profession......calculating.......calculating......
No.
I'm disappointed. You left out "musical" and "prone to outbursts of blazing rage".
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Musical? But you listen to Tori Amos.
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Musical? But you listen to Tori Amos.
To really appreciate good music you need to be occasionally exposed to the crap.
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orfeo
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Bloody Admins. Think they're so witty.
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lilBuddha
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Then hosts, who are less than admins, are half-witty?
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orfeo
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Then hosts, who are less than admins, are half-witty?
Well, if you want to continue the implications of that line of thought all the way down to people with no official status at all, such as yourself, that's your business.
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Kelly Alves
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Well played, Uberminion, well played.
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Martin60
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I know why you pretend I don't exist, Bibliophile.
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lilBuddha
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Oh come on! If you are playing in the litterbox, you are going to get shit on your hands. Don't blame the cat for not caring.
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Alan Cresswell
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Martin, there are times when it takes a lot of work to try and work out what you're trying to say. Bibliophile wouldn't be unique in deciding that they've better things to do with their time, and hence not respond to (or even read) what you post.
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lilBuddha
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Alan, you really think Bibliophile is honestly engaging anyone? I mean, he could be sort of a troll-savant; being not bright enough to properly argue but having the uncanny ability to avoid accidentally addressing any rebuttal with a relevant comment.
But I shave with Occum's razor, so....
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
he could be sort of a troll-savant; being not bright enough to properly argue but having the uncanny ability to avoid accidentally addressing any rebuttal with a relevant comment.
Well, we know that argument is an intellectual process, a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition. Bibliophile seems to be under the impression it's just contradiction. Or, maybe he's confused it with abuse.
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Can I have this dance?
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Martin60
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Sensei. He understands perfectly well. I'm his worst nightmare.
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Bibliophile
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Sensei. He understands perfectly well. I'm his worst nightmare.
I don't understand much of what you say I have to admit. The one bit I did understand was in the Vietnam War thread you asked a number of tims what would Jesus have done in the Vietnam War, the implication being that he would not have served in the military. I you want I can answer that point now.
Jesus, as you know, specifically commends the faith of a serving army officer in Matthew 8 5-13. I'm sure its true that Jesus would never have joined the military but that does not mean that Christians are forbidden from serving in the armed forces. Our Savior, of course, was also homeless and unemployed. That does not mean that Christians are forbidden from getting jobs, paying rent or buying houses.
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
Jesus, as you know, specifically commends the faith of a serving army officer in Matthew 8 5-13.
A serving officer who was also a slave owner whose sick slave was probably his young sex slave. So good to know that Jesus is all good with slavery and homosexual sex with a minor, as well as wars and fighting.
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Bibliophile
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Originally posted by goperryrevs:
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
Jesus, as you know, specifically commends the faith of a serving army officer in Matthew 8 5-13.
A serving officer who was also a slave owner whose sick slave was probably his young sex slave. So good to know that Jesus is all good with slavery and homosexual sex with a minor, as well as wars and fighting.
There is absolutely no evidence that the relationship between the centurion and his slave was in any way sexual. As for the slave ownership Christians are commanded to obey the law and since slave ownership is illegal in every country in the world today Christians may not own slaves.
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Absolutely no evidence of sexual abuse of slaves in the ancient Roman world?
You might read this.
The sexual mores of that society drew sharp distinctions between freeborn Roman citizens and non-citizens. Protection from sexual misconduct was one the rights which distinguished citizens from non-citizens, as the article makes clear. And slaves were undoubtedly non-citizens.
All of this is very well evidenced. Just not very often discussed when considering attitudes to slavery found in the NT documents.
Of course you can argue that in the specific gospel reference there is no direct mention of the possibility. That doesn't mean that the real risk of sexual abuse did not exist for all slaves at that time.
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So you can love those you napalm?
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Oh dear God, help me. The reasoning process in the last little collection of posts has me inclining to agree with Bibliophile.
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To be fair to Bibliophile some of his reasoning makes sense - and he expresses himself more clearly than Martin60 does.
The problem, it seems to me, is that Bibliophile appears to reason in two rather than three dimensions - whereas Martin tries to think in 3D but attempts to express himself in five - or 45 ...
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LeRoc
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Martin60 is my most important argument for the existence of universes with a logic different from ours. I'm convinced that there is a universe out there where everything he sais makes perfect sense.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
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Originally posted by goperryrevs:
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
Jesus, as you know, specifically commends the faith of a serving army officer in Matthew 8 5-13.
A serving officer who was also a slave owner whose sick slave was probably his young sex slave. So good to know that Jesus is all good with slavery and homosexual sex with a minor, as well as wars and fighting.
There is absolutely no evidence that the relationship between the centurion and his slave was in any way sexual. As for the slave ownership Christians are commanded to obey the law and since slave ownership is illegal in every country in the world today Christians may not own slaves.
Which isn't to say that Christians don't own slaves, or treat their staff with the care we associate with slavery. We have to be careful not to conflate "What is" with "What should be".
btw, while there is no such mention, I doubt Jesus never put a table or two together, even during his ministry.
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This is ridiculous, we cannot possibly say anything about anyone involved in that story from this distance. Even if abuse was widespread, we cannot then say that this was or was not happening here.
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I'm sorry (wait, no I'm not), but some of you are being absolute twits.
Bibliophile argued something from presence - the positive knowledge that the Bible passage involves a military man. You can't sensibly respond to that by trying to mount an argument from probability - well, we can guess about the sexual habits of a slave-owner.
Go ahead, guess. But if you think that's any kind of useful answer to Bibliophile's point you're kidding yourselves. It's one thing to point out flaws in an argument, but when the person you're criticising succeeds in making a coherent point and you do everything you can to deflect rather than concede the point, it ends up being you that look bad instead.
Jesus was not a militant pacifist who refused to associate with soldiers. Nor did he refuse to associate with slave-owners. Or tax collectors for that matter. The whole sex thing is a distraction and an irrelevance. GET OVER IT.
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Technology has brought us all closer together. Turns out a lot of the people you meet as a result are complete idiots.
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LeRoc
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orfeo: Jesus was not a militant pacifist who refused to associate with soldiers.
There's no rule that pacifists shouldn't associate with soldiers. I'm a near-pacifist and I have a number of soldier friends, a couple of which have served in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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