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Thread: Fuck Fear and Fearmongering
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Kelly Alves
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Oh, Jesus H. Pete.
(Grabs fearmonger by lapels and snarls in his face)
Did you know that the basic mandela shape is one of the first graphic symbols childern all over the goddamn world make when they are learning to draw? Since the fucking dawn of time? No? Crack a book sometime, asshole, and stop picking on innocent line drawings.
(Shoves fearmonger back so he falls on ass.)
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molopata
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Thanks for posting this, MT.
I am now seriously concerned by the rosettas we have in the walls of our old churches.
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Kelly Alves
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Right? And the Rose Window at Chartres?
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I cannot expect people to believe “
Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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mousethief
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I suppose if I put "you're out of your fucking mind" as a comment on her blog post, it would be deleted. They all seem to be pretty supportive.
If my child's coloring book has a picture of a daisy, or God forbid a chrysanthemum, should I burn it, bury it, or take it to the priest to be exorcised? I'm so confused. And don't even get me started about sunflowers.
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Lyda*Rose
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OMG. I just bought one of those. Specifically mandalas. I love mandalas! And I find coloring them relaxing.
I was tempted to leave a comment noting that the dollar bill is full of Masonic ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) symbols and to ask if she was going to toss out all her singles. Can't be having all those pagan images in her wallet, ya know. Maybe she could insist on using dollar coins.
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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Nice one, Lyda. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Kelly Alves, somewhere around 2003.
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Gee D
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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Right? And the Rose Window at Chartres?
Case proven - Chartres is a Catholic cathedral, not a Christian worship space.
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The port holes on a ship! No wonder some ships sink. Has the SoF portholes? Abandon Ship, take to the lifeboats.......
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Doc Tor
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I presume this idiot moderates his comments section. Because only that would explain the complete absence of posts telling him he's an utter cockwomble and visiting his blog measurably lowers IQ.
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Alan Cresswell
Mad Scientist 先生
# 31
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Do you notice that the default image that would attach to a comment, and the images many of the people commenting have used, are also geometric patterns ... not mandalas, but probably close enough.
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orfeo
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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Right? And the Rose Window at Chartres?
The picture in the Jung quote about mandalas looks VERY much like a stained glass window.
Honestly, there is no limit to the level of stupid that people are capable of. None.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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This sort of paranoid spirituality used to be fairly standard in Charevo groups in the 80s. In a fit of soundness when I was one I once got rid of my AD&D stuff. So fuck fear and fearmongering indeed!
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Drifting Star
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I suppose the Spirograph must be responsible for most of the ills of the world - since 1965 at least.
I also notice that the associated text for the image at the top of that blog is 'Joy Cropped'. One lonely (and presumably inadvertent) piece of self-awareness.
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dyfrig
Blue Scarfed Menace
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When I heard about this, I tried to work our where I'd first come across the use of mandala as a technical term......
It was in a book discussing icons. The circle of light around Jesus in the icon of the Transfiguration, and the coloured one in some Pantokrator icons, symbolising universal power, were both described as mandalas.
I guess this is no crazier than the thing in the 80s where someone proved the wickedness of having an aromatherapist by putting a space between the "a" and the "t" and another one between the "e" and "r". Try it, and see what you get. EVIL!
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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# 76
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Originally posted by dyfrig:
When I heard about this, I tried to work our where I'd first come across the use of mandala as a technical term......
It was in a book discussing icons. The circle of light around Jesus in the icon of the Transfiguration, and the coloured one in some Pantokrator icons, symbolising universal power, were both described as mandalas.
I guess this is no crazier than the thing in the 80s where someone proved the wickedness of having an aromatherapist by putting a space between the "a" and the "t" and another one between the "e" and "r". Try it, and see what you get. EVIL!
That one works for all therapists of course, and is the basis for a number of jokes.
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Lyda*Rose
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Originally posted by Drifting Star:
I suppose the Spirograph must be responsible for most of the ills of the world - since 1965 at least.
I also notice that the associated text for the image at the top of that blog is 'Joy Cropped'. One lonely (and presumably inadvertent) piece of self-awareness.
And now I want a Spirograph. Must be demons.
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Rocinante
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# 18541
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And anyone with pierced ears is in thrall to Satan, and anyone with a contactless payment card bears the mark of the beast...there's no end of this stuff around. One reason why I stopped going to evangelical churches and avoid websites like the one linked in the OP.
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Alan Cresswell
Mad Scientist 先生
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The demonic* can enter our world in many ways:
- Millions fleeing civil war not given refuge
- 30,000 Americans killed by guns each year
- Millions work for next to nothing (many literally enslaved) to put cheap trainers in our shops
- Donald Trump
- Jeremy Hunt
Colouring in geometric shapes isn't on my list
* this may be taken figuratively
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Lyda*Rose
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Amen.
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Firenze
Ordinary decent pagan
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Doilies. They're circular, they're intricate, they exist for the sole purpose of making cake (and we all know how evil that is) even more attractive.
And don't get me started on crocheted circular tablemats.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Firenze:
Doilies. They're circular, they're intricate, they exist for the sole purpose of making cake (and we all know how evil that is) even more attractive.
And don't get me started on crocheted circular tablemats.
Heck yes. For decades, maybe centuries, lacemaking was popular especially in Mediterranean countries. Still, they were mostly Catholics so what do you expect.
Where's Rosamundi when you want a view on this?
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Margaret
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# 283
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I have to say I'm disappointed in the quality of the demons generated by mandalas. We have two Tibetan painted mandalas hanging on our walls and somewhere in my husband's study a packet of sand he brought back from the American Academy of Religion conference last November, where a group of Tibetan monks created a sand mandala and then destroyed it and handed out packets of the sand it was made from. You'd think we'd have demons all over the house, running up and down the stairs, teasing the cats, grinning at us from dark corners, smashing the china in the kitchen - but no. Not enough demonic activity to worry the most anxious Christian. I'm disappointed, I tell you, seriously disappointed in mandala demons ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Gwai
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quote:
Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
OMG. I just bought one of those. Specifically mandalas. I love mandalas! And I find coloring them relaxing.
I was tempted to leave a comment noting that the dollar bill is full of Masonic symbols and to ask if she was going to toss out all her singles. Can't be having all those pagan images in her wallet, ya know. Maybe she could insist on using dollar coins.
She would definitely have to moderate your negative demon-supporting out. Probably feels attacked by demons if too many negative people did comment.
Besides, you are clearly an unsound person as everyone who's seen your ship icon should have known.
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Pigwidgeon
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Originally posted by Firenze:
Doilies. They're circular, they're intricate, they exist for the sole purpose of making cake (and we all know how evil that is) even more attractive.
Especially Devil's Food cake!
![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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Penny S
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# 14768
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I can think of all sorts of reasons why adult colouring books should be abjured, but letting demons in isn't one of them.
I look at them and think "you should be drawing your own patterns and colouring them in if that's what you want to do".
I remember, for they got a few things right, the Exclusive Brethren's concerns about computers - not the one about the demons, but the one about taking up time that should be taken up with better things.
But, O my goodness, demons!
Do you think I should exorcise my Nana's crochet milk cover, with its lacy edge and the beads to hold it down?
I'm doing some colouring tomorrow - because I can't take my knitting into the cabin, I'm translating the to and fro patterns into circular ones, and colour seems the best way to do it, but it's squares, so that's all right. Although squares are a bit Masonic, aren't they?
I feel that these people don't live in my world, they live somewhere much more like Harry Potter's universe, which is not where Christians should be.
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Brenda Clough
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A writer friend of mine (who should know better) alleges that it is possible to slip a sentence, oh, say 200 pages along into a novel, that when read will undermine your faith. I told him that if his faith was so fragile that one sentence could do it he needed work, and accused him of being a delicate daisy. He still has not forgiven me.
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Alan Cresswell
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# 31
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But, Harry Potter encourages experimentation with witchcraft and magic. So, we should be out burning those demon-infested pages and DVDs.
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Pigwidgeon
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
But, Harry Potter encourages experimentation with witchcraft and magic. So, we should be out burning those demon-infested pages and DVDs.
Hey! Leave Hogwarts alone -- or I'll send you a Howler!
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Ricardus
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Right? And the Rose Window at Chartres?
Some time ago I saw an arts programme that claimed that the vesica piscis, which is the () shape of the burst of light you see round some images of the saints, is actually supposed to represent a vagina.
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Penny S
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# 14768
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And notice its alternative name, the MANDORLA !!
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Penny S
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# 14768
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
I presume this idiot moderates his comments section. Because only that would explain the complete absence of posts telling him he's an utter cockwomble and visiting his blog measurably lowers IQ.
If you click on the "other comments" at the bottom of the page, you will find some more critical ones - and some people address the writer as sister, despite the piccie.
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Stetson
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
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Originally posted by dyfrig:
When I heard about this, I tried to work our where I'd first come across the use of mandala as a technical term......
It was in a book discussing icons. The circle of light around Jesus in the icon of the Transfiguration, and the coloured one in some Pantokrator icons, symbolising universal power, were both described as mandalas.
I guess this is no crazier than the thing in the 80s where someone proved the wickedness of having an aromatherapist by putting a space between the "a" and the "t" and another one between the "e" and "r". Try it, and see what you get. EVIL!
That one works for all therapists of course, and is the basis for a number of jokes.
I remember that as a gag on Three's Company. Janet was in a moralistic panic because she thought that some sex therapist they knew was having sex with her clients, and, when shown the woman's business card, pronounced "therapist" as two words.
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sabine
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Of course, this blogger would go to Carl Jung to prove how dangerous mandalas are. I love the quote provided: the circular image represents the wholeness, or to put it in mythic terms, the divinity incarnate in man.
Heaven help us if we have any symbol that might refer to. . . um. . . Jesus!
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North East Quine
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Originally posted by Sandemaniac;
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Some time ago I saw an arts programme that claimed that the vesica piscis, which is the () shape of the burst of light you see round some images of the saints, is actually supposed to represent a vagina.
I will never look at the Church of Scotland logo (the burning bush within a vesica piscis) in the same way again.
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LeRoc
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sabine: Of course, this blogger would go to Carl Jung to prove how dangerous mandalas are. I love the quote provided: the circular image represents the wholeness, or to put it in mythic terms, the divinity incarnate in man.
Heaven help us if we have any symbol that might refer to. . . um. . . Jesus!
Also known as the divinity incarnate in man.
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sabine
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
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sabine: Of course, this blogger would go to Carl Jung to prove how dangerous mandalas are. I love the quote provided: the circular image represents the wholeness, or to put it in mythic terms, the divinity incarnate in man.
Heaven help us if we have any symbol that might refer to. . . um. . . Jesus!
Also known as the divinity incarnate in man.
My point, exactly. This blogger is way too intent on seeing evil.
I feel sorry for people whose faith puts them in a position of constant vigilange against demonic powers to the point that they forget about grace. It must be a very high-anxiety life.
Maybe a little time with a mandala coloring book can help. ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif)
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Lyda*Rose
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Every time I read that kind of crap, I think, "You have a really puny God, if you think he can't handle the teeny-weeny obstacles that loom so large for you." Not a lot of trust in God's power, eh?
I tend to think the same thing in a much more serious mode when radical Islamists attack cartoonists and magazines. Allah is in charge. And if he is as incensed by these little scratchers as you are, the blasphemers will have it coming in bigger measure than you can dole out. And just maybe he he doesn't like you hogging his prerogatives in the matter of divine justice. Hmmm?
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Penny S
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I suspect that if one spends so much time dwelling on the immanence of evil, then evil will be attracted. Though I'm not convinced of demons existence at all.
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Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
Every time I read that kind of crap, I think, "You have a really puny God, if you think he can't handle the teeny-weeny obstacles that loom so large for you." Not a lot of trust in God's power, eh?
This is precisely my response. Some people will find X or Y problematic, but that is more likely to be a problem with that person than X or Y. Some people are susceptible to being influence, that may give them spiritual problems. To say that X or Y is dangerous is to miss the point.
In the end, the basic Adam Hills response is utterly appropriate: Don't be a dick. Whereas some Christians seem to take "being a dick" to new heights.
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
The demonic* can enter our world in many ways:
- Millions fleeing civil war not given refuge
- 30,000 Americans killed by guns each year
- Millions work for next to nothing (many literally enslaved) to put cheap trainers in our shops
- Donald Trump
- Jeremy Hunt
Colouring in geometric shapes isn't on my list
* this may be taken figuratively
This. I'm dedicating my spirograph to you.
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Steam locomotive enthusiasts are notably sensitive souls and open to all kinds of suggestions that ordinary mortals are spared. We must now be careful to say a suitable prayer before daring to gaze upon that wondrous mandala-like pattern of spoked driving wheels moving under an invisible power, lest the devil make us even worse than the wretched deviants that we already are. I thank you, MT, for the warning. But it may be too late, though perhaps there is an appropriate service of exorcism that may be held over a locomotive before the public is allowed to see it?
Have I woken up in the wrong century after taking a nap?
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Stercus Tauri:
Have I woken up in the wrong century after taking a nap?
No, this level of idiocy occurs in every century.
quote:
Originally posted by Penny S:
I look at them and think "you should be drawing your own patterns and colouring them in if that's what you want to do".
Not everybody can draw beautiful shapes worth coloring in. But it's not nearly so difficult to color in somebody else's drawing. This is just snooty.
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Alan Cresswell
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From my Facebook feed on this subject, I present Hildegard von Bingen.
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Lyda*Rose
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My girl! ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
(Well, but she was one of those Romans you know, worshiping images. Even worse, she actually created images with a bunch of Romish secret messages hidden in them. No wonder the Reformation broke out a few centuries later. ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif) )
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
From my Facebook feed on this subject, I present Hildegard von Bingen.
Wow, that "All Beings Celebrate Creation" is downright Escheresque. I wonder if Escher had it in mind when he did "Angels and Demons"?
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Piglet
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Originally posted by Gee D:
quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Right? And the Rose Window at Chartres?
Case proven - Chartres is a Catholic cathedral, not a Christian worship space.
Not quite proven - St. Magnus Cathedral in Orkney is used by the Church of Scotland, and has two.
I think those mandalas are absolutely gorgeous; how can the Almighty possibly disapprove of people using the skills He gave them to produce a thing of beauty?
If I had any artistic ability whatsoever (which I haven't) I'd be tempted to give it a go myself.
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dyfrig
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Originally posted by mousethief:
I wonder if Escher had it in mind when he did "Angels and Demons"?
I think you'll find that it was the famous book writer Dan Brown that did Angels and Demons.
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Firenze
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Originally posted by dyfrig:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
I wonder if Escher had it in mind when he did "Angels and Demons"?
I think you'll find that it was the famous book writer Dan Brown that did Angels and Demons.
The famous book writer may have got the idea from Escher since it would be not unlike the FBW to be a tad derivative.
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