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[Note to Newcomers: You might want to read the Opening Post and the most recent post and then simply skim if you are interested. This isn't a discussion thread, but rather something that would be in the Reference section in your local library.
Feel free to post a question if you are wondering about something in particular (even if you haven't read the entire thread). There are a number of nice shipmate 'librarians' who will be happy to answer your questions and wish to make Eccles as user-friendly as possible.
-jlg/Ecclesiantics host]
Responding to some difficulties experienced by Audrey Ely on another thread, picking up on an helpful suggestion from Carys, and with the gracious permission of JLG, I am delighted to unveil, "the Ecclesiantics Dictionary, being a compendium of liturgical and ecclesiastical terms and references old and new, copiously revised and updated etc., etc."
I suggest that we use this thread to post common Eccles shorthand and references, together with a definition, and also to bring up terms with which we are not familiar, in the hope that others can supply one.
I think that working definitions should suffice; they need not be perfect, only serviceable - enough to allow people to follow the discussions here and provide a basis for further exploration as necessary.
Please keep your definitions instructive, helpful and clean...
I will kick off - in some fear and trepidation - with a few bits of shorthand or casual references which I am aware that I use, and perhaps others with follow suit, feeling free to improve or correct as necessary:
Reference works
Ceremonies of the Roman Rite Described: A Roman Catholic liturgical manual relevant to celebrations of the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite.
Fortescue/Fortescue-O'Connell: A reference to the book "Ceremonies of the Roman Rite Described". Description of someone as a "Fortescue man" would imply that they follow the liturgical prescriptions in this book, or the [Extraordinary Form of the] Roman Rite more generally.
The Parson's Handbook: An Anglican liturgical manual, authored by Percy Dearmer and drawing on details of pre-Reformation english ceremonial for its liturgical directions. Description of someone as a "Parson's Handbook man" would imply that they follow the liturgical prescriptions of this book, and are a proponent of the "English Use" more generally.
Ritual Notes: an Anglican liturgical manual authored by a number of clergymen over different editions seeking to enrich the services of the Book of Common Prayer with liturgical practices drawn from the [Extraordinary Form of the] Roman Rite and Roman Catholic ("Western") sources more generally (see "Western Use.") The last edition was in 1964, coincident with the moves towards liturgical reform in the Catholic Church resulting in the Missal of Pope Paul VI.
Organisations
GSS: the Guild of Servants of the Sanctuary, an Anglican association of altar servers and the like, also known [pejoratively] as the "Guild of the Serpents of the Sanctuary." Associated with the Anglo-Catholic* party within that Communion.
SSC: Societas Sanctae Crucis/ Society of the Holy Cross, an association of priests within the Anglican Communion, associated with the Anglo-Catholic party*.
Liturgical Terms and Tendencies
English Use: a movement or party within the Anglican Communion looking to pre-Reformation and Caroline precedents for liturgical practices to enrich the Book of Common Prayer. Often in opposition to the "Western Use."
Roman Rite, Ordinary Form: The Rite followed by the majority of Catholics within the Catholic Church, also known [arguably pejoratively] as the Novus Ordo, derived from the Roman Missal as reformed according to the decrees of the Second Vatican Council. The Missal of Pope Paul VI.
Roman Rite, Extraordinary Form: The Rite followed by the majority of Catholics within the Catholic Church until the promulgation of the Missal of Pope Paul VI and still licit. Also known [unofficially] as the Tridentine Rite, Traditional Rite, etc. The Missal of Blessed John XXIII.
Western Use: A movement or party within the Anglican Communion looking to Roman Catholic precedents for liturgical practices to enrich the Book of Common Prayer.
*No, I'm not even going to attempt a definition.
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I am a long-standing member of GSS; the pejorative reference to Serpents is a new one on me.
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I welcome such a guide. Some of the terms have become ecclesiastical jargon, which can help form 'in groups' - this guide will help the website be more inclusive.
Thank you,
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Originally posted by Ecclesiastical Flip-flop:
I am a long-standing member of GSS; the pejorative reference to Serpents is a new one on me.
I think it's closely related to its Roman cousin, the sanctuary lizard ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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I've seen it (the "serpents" reference) used on another board but may have misunderstood how common it was - I hope I haven't caused any offence.
I'm holding off proposing any more definitions so as not to add to the hosts' job if the thread is closed and added to DJ_Ordinaire's, but I'd like to have a crack at a few more at some point; the FCP, for example, to go with DJ_O's reference to the SCP, SSPX, SSPV and so on.
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Will these definitions be stored on the site alphabetically, or will one be obliged to search this discussion?
The former would be ideal.
Thank you,
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Are you volunteering to do the alphabetical sorting?
Thank you
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FiF/Forward in Faith: A movement within Anglicanism (primarily Anglo-Catholic) that cannot accept the ordination of women to the priesthood or the episcopate and seeks a structural provision within the Church
1970 Missal is something I tend to use to mean the Ordinary Form of the Mass
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Further to reference works (no, I can't believe I'm posting this either):
Monsignor (now Bishop) Peter J Elliot, Ceremonies of the Modern Roman Rite
- An updating of Fortescue (cf) for the Ordinary (1970) form of the Roman Rite.
Further to Priestly Societies (Anglican)
FCP Federation of Catholic Priests. Established in 1917, with a particular emphasis on promoting Reservation of the Blessed Sacrament. To-day, not unlike SSC, but somewhat smaller. Restricted to male priests of Traditional Integrity.
SCP Society of Catholic Priests. Founded in 1994, and considered as the priestly arm of Affirming Catholicism. Open to men and women. The current Archbishop of Canterbury is a member and patron.
OGS Oratory of the Good Shepherd. Founded in 1913 at the University of Cambridge. Open to celibate men, ordained and lay, bound by a common rule and discipline, who do not normally live together, but meet regularly. There is a sister organisation, the Sisters of the Good Shepherd, open to women, ordained and lay.
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People might like to know that Mystery Worshipper dictionary still exists in Oblivion.
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quote:
Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
People might like to know that Mystery Worshipper dictionary still exists in Oblivion.
Jengie
I was about to link to it (having done so on the thread where I suggested this one!)
That ended up focussing mainly on what priests might wear which is useful as far as it goes.
Other abbreviations
SSF = Society of St Francis -- occurs after the name of a brother of the Anglican first order of Franciscans
CSF == Community of St Francis -- occurs after the name of a sister of the Anglican first order.
OSC == Order of St Clare -- 2nd Order (contemplative) nuns of St Francis
TSSF == Tertiary of the Society of St Francis -- Members of the Third
Order of SSF. These are those who live out their vocation and rule of life in the world. The order is open to lay and ordained, male and female, single or married.
Other Anglican Orders
OHP= Order of the Holy Paraclete, an Anglican order of nuns whose mother house is at Whitby.
Not to be confused with the OHP used by some in worship, the Overhead Projector!
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Originally posted by Archimandrite:
SCP Society of Catholic Priests. Founded in 1994, and considered as the priestly arm of Affirming Catholicism.
Considered as such by whom?
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Copied across from the other "Ecclesiantics Dictionary" thread for completeness:
Organisations
SSC - the 'Society of the Holy Cross' - an Anglo-catholic priestly fraternity.
SCP - the Society of Catholic Priests... a broadly Anglo-catholic priestly fraternity, but also open to women.
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A few more in a similar vein -
BVM - the Blessed Virgin Mary
(also her IC - Immaculate Conception - and her GA - Glorious Assumption)
SMV - S. Mary the Virgin. Same as above; usually used with reference to churches of that name.
OLW Our Lady of Walsingham. The national Marian devotion in England, focussed upon the RC, Anglican and Orthodox Shrines at the Norfolk of that name.
OLJC - Our Lord Jesus Christ. Also OLSJC ('Saviour').
MBS - the Most Blessed Sacrament of OLJC.
CBS - Confraternity of the Blessed Sacrament - an Anglo-catholic society dedicated to fostering devotion to Our Lord in His MBS.
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Also:
significant Places
SMVPH: The Church of St Mary the Virgin, Primrose Hill - the first church of which Percy Dearmer was incumbent; a flagship for English Use/Parson's Handbook ceremonial.
Other Acronyms
MBSA: Most Blessed Sacrament of the Altar; a variant on MBS
People
+[Name], +[Place]: indicates that the person referenced is a bishop
++[Name], ++[Place]: indicates that the person referenced is an archbishop
B16, Benny, the Rat: More-or-less affectionate terms for His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, Servant of the Servants of God
Fortescue: see under "reference works"
St. Percy, Blessed Percy: Affectionate terms for Percy Dearmer, Anglican clergyman and author of the Parson's Handbook
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AC - Anglo-catholic. Anglicans who emphasise continuity of doctrine between Anglicanism and the historic churches to which we are related. Usually 'High Church' in ritual.
ASMS - All Saints Margaret Street. Rather grand AC church just off Oxford Street in London.
Snog and Bendy/Benders - Evensong and Benediction. Typical AC evening worship, involving a blessing with the MBSA.
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quote:
Originally posted by Saint Chad:
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Originally posted by Archimandrite:
SCP Society of Catholic Priests. Founded in 1994, and considered as the priestly arm of Affirming Catholicism.
Considered as such by whom?
Whoever wrote the Wikipedia article I nicked all the other information from.
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quote:
Originally posted by Archimandrite:
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Originally posted by Saint Chad:
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Originally posted by Archimandrite:
SCP Society of Catholic Priests. Founded in 1994, and considered as the priestly arm of Affirming Catholicism.
Considered as such by whom?
Whoever wrote the Wikipedia article I nicked all the other information from.
To quote from the Short History of SPC, downloadable from its website:
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SCP has many members who also belong to Affirming Catholicism,
and the two societies are seen as complimentary. Affirming Catholicism
has a broad membership, both lay and ordained, and sometimes engages
in campaigning upon issues which are at the heart of Anglican controversy,
for example the consecration of women and questions of human sexuality.
While SCP members belong to a variety of organisations which undertake
campaigning this is not currently felt to be the raison d’etre of SCP, which
focuses on priestly support and formation for its members. There is a
reciprocal agreement between SCP and Affirming Catholicism, with an
executive member of each being nominated by the other group. Thus two
people are members of both executives.
It sounds - to an outsider - not unlike the relationship between FinF and the SSC.
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
People might like to know that Mystery Worshipper dictionary still exists in Oblivion.
Sadly, it appears the links are all dead though.
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quote:
Originally posted by Late Paul:
quote:
Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
People might like to know that Mystery Worshipper dictionary still exists in Oblivion.
Sadly, it appears the links are all dead though.
The trouble with the links is that they were links to posts in the same thread, but because the thread has moved from MW/Eccles to Oblivion its address has changed.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who had the impression that there were links between SCP and AffCath, I'm sure I saw an advert for their conference which overlapped in the same place (Durham IIRC). I nearly wrote on another thread yesterday SCP is to AffCath what SSC is to FinF but didn't partly because the info on that other thread showed that SSC was much older than FinF.
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I think that is due to the fact its moved from where it was originally and the links were to other Mystery Worship threads.
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Originally posted by Manipled Mutineer:
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Originally posted by Archimandrite:
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Originally posted by Saint Chad:
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Originally posted by Archimandrite:
SCP Society of Catholic Priests. Founded in 1994, and considered as the priestly arm of Affirming Catholicism.
Considered as such by whom?
Whoever wrote the Wikipedia article I nicked all the other information from.
To quote from the Short History of SPC, downloadable from its website:
quote:
SCP has many members who also belong to Affirming Catholicism,
and the two societies are seen as complimentary. Affirming Catholicism
has a broad membership, both lay and ordained, and sometimes engages
in campaigning upon issues which are at the heart of Anglican controversy,
for example the consecration of women and questions of human sexuality.
While SCP members belong to a variety of organisations which undertake
campaigning this is not currently felt to be the raison d’etre of SCP, which
focuses on priestly support and formation for its members. There is a
reciprocal agreement between SCP and Affirming Catholicism, with an
executive member of each being nominated by the other group. Thus two
people are members of both executives.
It sounds - to an outsider - not unlike the relationship between FinF and the SSC.
As an insider ie, as one of the members of SCP who is also a member of AffCath, I'd say to infer from this that SCP is the "priestly arm of Affirming Catholicism" is getting 5 from 2+2. I can think of one or two of my sisters and brothers in SCP who would be out like a shot if they thought that this was the case.
As to the relationship between FinF and SSC, as an outsider to both, I'm not in a position to comment.
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Originally posted by Saint Chad:
As an insider ie, as one of the members of SCP who is also a member of AffCath, I'd say to infer from this that SCP is the "priestly arm of Affirming Catholicism" is getting 5 from 2+2. I can think of one or two of my sisters and brothers in SCP who would be out like a shot if they thought that this was the case.
Talking to my new DDO this evening I was reminded of why I view SCP as the priestly wing of AffCath -- it was the effect of attending the AffCath Vocations conference last year which was run by members of SCP.
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Originally posted by Carys:
Talking to my new DDO this evening I was reminded of why I view SCP as the priestly wing of AffCath -- it was the effect of attending the AffCath Vocations conference last year which was run by members of SCP.
Would that be the joint AffCath/SCP vocations conference?
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Originally posted by Carys:
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Originally posted by Late Paul:
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
People might like to know that Mystery Worshipper dictionary still exists in Oblivion.
Sadly, it appears the links are all dead though.
The trouble with the links is that they were links to posts in the same thread, but because the thread has moved from MW/Eccles to Oblivion its address has changed.
Thanks for that. I shall read the whole thread before commenting next time.
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Here's what it looks like so far (cut and pasted together using my own idiosyncratic methods of arrangement, apologies):
Liturgical and Ecclesiastical Terms and Tendencies
AC, A/C: Anglo-catholic. Anglicans who emphasise continuity of doctrine between Anglicanism and the historic churches to which we are related. Usually 'High Church' in ritual.
BVM: The Blessed Virgin Mary (also her IC - Immaculate Conception - and her GA - Glorious Assumption, and see SMV)
DDO: Diocesan Director of Ordinands (UK Anglican)/Diocesan Deployment Officer (US Episcopalian)
English Use: a movement or party within the Anglican Communion looking to pre-Reformation and Caroline precedents for liturgical practices to enrich the Book of Common Prayer. Often in opposition to the "Western Use."
MBS: The Most Blessed Sacrament of OLJC.
MBSA: Most Blessed Sacrament of the Altar; a variant on MBS
OLJC: Our Lord Jesus Christ. Also OLSJC ('Saviour').
Roman Rite, Ordinary Form: The Rite followed by the majority of Catholics within the Catholic Church, also known [arguably pejoratively] as the Novus Ordo, derived from the Roman Missal as reformed according to the decrees of the Second Vatican Council. The Missal of Pope Paul VI/1970 Missal.
Roman Rite, Extraordinary Form: The Rite followed by the majority of Catholics within the Catholic Church until the promulgation of the Missal of Pope Paul VI and still licit. Also known [unofficially] as the Tridentine Rite, Traditional Rite, etc. The Missal of Blessed John XXIII.
SMV: S. Mary the Virgin. The Blessed Virgin Mary; usually used with reference to churches of that name.
Snog and Bendy/Benders: Evensong and Benediction. Typical AC evening worship, involving a blessing with the MBSA.
Western Use: A movement or party within the Anglican Communion looking to Roman Catholic precedents for liturgical practices to enrich the Book of Common Prayer.
Organisations/Lay and Priestly Societies, etc.
CBS/ Confraternity of the Blessed Sacrament : An Anglo-catholic society dedicated to fostering devotion to Our Lord in His MBS.
CSF/Community of St Francis: occurs after the name of a sister of the Anglican first order of Franciscans.
FCP/Federation of Catholic Priests: Established in 1917, with a particular emphasis on promoting Reservation of the Blessed Sacrament. To-day, not unlike SSC, but somewhat smaller. Restricted to male priests of Traditional Integrity.
FiF/Forward in Faith: A movement within Anglicanism (primarily Anglo-Catholic) that cannot accept the ordination of women to the priesthood or the episcopate and seeks a structural provision within the Church.
GSS/Guild of Servants of the Sanctuary: An Anglican association of altar servers and the like, also known [pejoratively] as the "Guild of the Serpents of the Sanctuary." Associated with the Anglo-Catholic party within that Communion.
OGS/Oratory of the Good Shepherd: Founded in 1913 at the University of Cambridge. Open to celibate men, ordained and lay, bound by a common rule and discipline, who do not normally live together, but meet regularly. There is a sister organisation, the Sisters of the Good Shepherd, open to women, ordained and lay.
OHP/Order of the Holy Paraclete: An Anglican order of nuns whose mother house is at Whitby.(Not to be confused with the OHP used by some in worship, the Overhead Projector!)
OSC/Order of St Clare: 2nd Order (contemplative) nuns of St Francis (Anglican)
SCP/Society of Catholic Priests: A broadly Anglo-catholic priestly fraternity, founded in 1994, and closely linked with Affirming Catholicism (considered by some as its priestly arm.) Open to men and women. The current Archbishop of Canterbury is a member and patron.
SSC/Societas Sanctae Crucis/ Society of the Holy Cross : An Anglo-catholic priestly fraternity.
SSF/Society of St Francis: occurs after the name of a brother of the Anglican first order of Franciscans
TSSF/Tertiary of the Society of St Francis: Members of the Third Order of SSF. These are those who live out their vocation and rule of life in the world. The order is open to lay and ordained, male and female, single or married.
People and places
+[Name], +[Place]: Indicates that the person referenced is a bishop
++[Name], ++[Place]: Indicates that the person referenced is an archbishop
ASMS/ All Saints Margaret Street: Rather grand AC church just off Oxford Street in London.
B16, Benny, the Rat: More-or-less affectionate terms for His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, Servant of the Servants of God
BVM: The Blessed Virgin Mary
(also her IC - Immaculate Conception - and her GA - Glorious Assumption, and see SMV)
Fortescue: see under "reference works"
OLJC: Our Lord Jesus Christ. Also OLSJC ('Saviour').
OLW: Our Lady of Walsingham. The national Marian devotion in England, focussed upon the RC, Anglican and Orthodox Shrines at the Norfolk of that name.
SMV: S. Mary the Virgin. The Blessed Virgin Mary; usually used with reference to churches of that name.
SMVPH: The Church of St Mary the Virgin, Primrose Hill - the first church of which Percy Dearmer was incumbent; a flagship for English Use/Parson's Handbook ceremonial.
St. Percy, Blessed Percy: Affectionate terms for Percy Dearmer, Anglican clergyman and author of the Parson's Handbook
Reference works
Ceremonies of the Modern Roman Rite (Monsignor (now Bishop) Peter J Elliot): An updating of Fortescue (cf) for the Ordinary (1970) form of the Roman Rite.
Ceremonies of the Roman Rite Described: A Roman Catholic liturgical manual relevant to celebrations of the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite.
Fortescue/Fortescue-O'Connell: A reference to the book "Ceremonies of the Roman Rite Described". Description of someone as a "Fortescue man" would imply that they follow the liturgical prescriptions in this book, or the [Extraordinary Form of the] Roman Rite more generally.
The Parson's Handbook: An Anglican liturgical manual, authored by Percy Dearmer and drawing on details of pre-Reformation english ceremonial for its liturgical directions. Description of someone as a "Parson's Handbook man" would imply that they follow the liturgical prescriptions of this book, and are a proponent of the "English Use" more generally.
Ritual Notes: an Anglican liturgical manual authored by a number of clergymen over different editions seeking to enrich the services of the Book of Common Prayer with liturgical practices drawn from the [Extraordinary Form of the] Roman Rite and Roman Catholic ("Western") sources more generally (see "Western Use.") The last edition was in 1964, coincident with the moves towards liturgical reform in the Catholic Church resulting in the Missal of Pope Paul VI.
Also see the Mystery Worshipper Dictionary
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Originally posted by Saint Chad:
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Originally posted by Archimandrite:
SCP Society of Catholic Priests. Founded in 1994, and considered as the priestly arm of Affirming Catholicism.
Considered as such by whom?
Whoever wrote the Wikipedia article I nicked all the other information from.
I confess (sorry, Saint Chad) that (as "Carolynparrishfan") I created and was substantially responsible for the content of that article, and I believe it may even have been me who coined the "priestly arm" turn of phrase.
There is also the Sodality of the Precious Blood, which definitely has ties to the Catholic League. It is open to male priests in the Church of England. Its members observe celibate chastity and use the ordinary-form of the Roman Rite for the Divine Office.
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SPB (Sodality of the Precious Blood) is very much the priestly arm (!) of the Catholic League, as it's a sodality within a society.
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Since it's a lexical thread, would I be too much of a prat to ask what precisely constitutes a sodality? How does it differ from, say, a confraternity, or society?
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Originally posted by Liturgy Queen:
what precisely constitutes a sodality?
Its a little bit smaller than a moiety, a little bit bigger than a camarilla ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Hare today
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Originally posted by ken:
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Originally posted by Liturgy Queen:
what precisely constitutes a sodality?
Its a little bit smaller than a moiety, a little bit bigger than a camarilla
So: less than half but more than enough to get in a small room?
[ 11. November 2007, 11:54: Message edited by: Hare today ]
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And how big does it have to be before it can become an archsodality?
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Originally posted by dj_ordinaire:
And how big does it have to be before it can become an archsodality?
I think SPB may be one of the archest sodalities in existence...
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Motivated by my use of it in Purg just twenty minutes earlier, or are great minds thinking alike at the mo?
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Mainpled Mutineer, I glanced quickly, and surely I missed MOTR. Doesn't it deserve a place?
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Of course, "middle of the road" itself requires a huge amount of definition. It often means either something like, "nowhere near anything I'd like, but nowhere near the things the people I don't like like either," or just "nowhere near the things the people I don't like like."
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Originally posted by Hart:
Of course, "middle of the road" itself requires a huge amount of definition. It often means either something like, "nowhere near anything I'd like, but nowhere near the things the people I don't like like either," or just "nowhere near the things the people I don't like like."
MOTR: "Liturgical, but not enough to make you feel nice."
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MOTR = in a CofE parish of mixed belief and trying to meet the needs of several congregations (evangelical, anglo-catholic, traditional CofE) within the one church?
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Or, coming from the opposite direction: Liturgical but not so much as to make you cringe.
The middle of the road is a dangerous place to drive.
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MOTR: Neither owt nor nowt. Trying to please everyone and, thus, pleasing no-one.
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