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babybear
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Originally posted by Qlib:
But the idea that you cook something out of love, which means that the people you love are obliged to eat it - otherwise they are rejecting not just your food and your labour but also, somehow, your love, takes us into very dodgy territory.
When you cook something out of love - you cook something that person will love, something that makes them feel special and cared for.
For Gremlin this would mean garlic mushrooms, lasagne and then some home-baked cheesecake. If I were to substitute creme caramel for the dessert he would be wondering what he has done to offend me. It has got nothing to do with how well I can make creme caramel (very well), but how much he hates the stuff.
If I feed food to people that I know they do not like it is saying "I do not care about your likes and dislikes. Your comfort is unimportant to me. You are unimportant to me"
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Originally posted by babybear:
If I feed food to people that I know they do not like it is saying "I do not care about your likes and dislikes. Your comfort is unimportant to me. You are unimportant to me"
On the contrary. It shows how much you care, because you know it's good for them. (Things that are good for you are usually unappetizing but that's life. You can't live on sweet things.) If they really cared about your caring about them, they'd eat it.
In fact, forget the food, just serve a handy snack of guilt, resentment and so on instead. Sprinkle with a few reminders about wasting money for that extra effect, and in no time, you have the perfect recipe for mealtimes from hell.
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Originally posted by babybear:
If I feed food to people that I know they do not like it is saying "I do not care about your likes and dislikes. Your comfort is unimportant to me. You are unimportant to me"
Or sometimes it's just saying "Look, we have a large family and not very much money. I've been on my feet all day, I'm working twelve hour shifts and I'm dead on my feet. I don't have time to work out a meal that will not offend any of the seven people who are eating it, so please just eat the caulifower without making a fuss about it."
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babybear
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Originally posted by Ariel:
It shows how much you care, because you know it's good for them.
Rubbish! There are things that are 'good for you' that some people can not stomach. Whilst they might be good for the population as a whole they are not good for an individual, and to give it to that individual shows a lack of concern for their wellbeing.
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Originally posted by Pegasus:
so please just eat the caulifower without making a fuss about it."
That is fine unless you have someone in your family who finds the taste of cauliflower/ broccoli/liver etc totally disgusting and is unable to eat the meal because of that.
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I am a supertaster. My parents initially tried to make me eat various "healthy" items which simply made me feel incredibly nauseous... much as I longed to eat them (being an extremely biddable child and also finding some of the things looked extremely tempting e.g. curry). But fortunately for me my mother's view was that mealtimes and eating should be an enjoyable family experience rather than a power struggle, and that as long as I was not having excessive sweet things and was having a relatively healthy diet apart from the lack of vegetables, she reckoned I'd probably survive!
With my own two it was interesting as the first arrived with a voracious appetite and would eat (and still does) anything that stands still long enough. He loves trying new tastes and has quite a sophisticated palate and a preference for healthy food. No problem feeding this one, apart from the mammoth task of keeping the larder full!
The younger came with a long list of what he would and would not eat. He would only eat bananas as fruit, would only drink blackcurrent squash, would only eat carrots as veg and for tea would only have ham sandwiches. The approach I adopted was to make sure he had enough of these to keep him adequately fed and happy. Dishing up the dinner, I would say "Would you like one sprout or two?" and if he replied "one" or "two" I showered him with praise for trying a new food, saying that he could leave it if he found he didn't like them this time, but that one time he might well find his taste buds had changed and that was something new he'd be able to enjoy. If he said he didn't want any, I wouldn't give him any, but commented that he only had to let me know if he wanted to give them a try. It wasn't long before he was saying to most things "I'll give it a try and see whether I like them yet".
With other things which I, as a supertaster myself, knew were not strong tasting (e.g. apples) I would sometimes find that, surprise surprise, I didn't have any bananas left but did have an apple he could try. I'd make sure in this case that we were all eating apples, and that he wasn't really hungry but had enough of a gap to want something else to eat. Again I made sure it was his choice whether to have it or not, and put no pressure on.. still reminding him that sometimes it's worth a taste just to see if your tastebuds have grown up a little bit.
Letting him help prepare the food has also helped him make the choice to taste it. Funny how making cakes with raisins in can get you over a real hatred of raisins!
When we are away and there is a range of things pre-cooked for him to choose from on the table, this is where I put the main thrust of my "broadening his taste experience" efforts. The rule is that for each new thing he tries and finds he likes, he can choose one course of a meal once we're at home.
He now eats almost anything. He doesn't like peas, so I don't give him peas although I always offer them. He's not fond of kiwi fruit so I only give him that occasionally. He'll drink any drink and really enjoys water and milk. And his favourite meal now? A ham salad sandwich (it's boring without the salad) with a generous helping of coleslaw!
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QLib
Bad Example
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Babybear -re Ariel's post: switch on your irony detectors!
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Pegasus*
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Babybear, if anyone in my family really did find cauliflower, or anything else, all that loathsome then obviously they would be allowed to pick it out. My point was that when I had to prepare the family meals I sometimes gave people food they weren't fond of not because I didn't care about them, or their comfort was a matter of indifference to me, but because a hundred other pressing considerations, and the general family circumstances at the time meant that I couldn't cater to everyone's different preferences.
Food doesn't always have to be a signifier of the love you have for someone, or the importance they have in your life. Sometimes it's just something you eat becuase humans require nutrtion, and means nothing beyond that.
BTW, I liked your post a lot, Smudgie.
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Smudgie
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Incidentally, I don't quite get the "I can't faff around cooking different things" approach. If I am doing broccoli, I do one portion less because I know I don't have broccoli with my meal. If I am doing peas, I do two portions less because I know Smudgelet doesn't have peas. It takes only a few moments to pop a few carrots in a pan to make sure we're catered for.
If it's a whole dish that someone doesn't like, then they're entitled to make themselves a sandwich and eat it along with the rest or separately. If there's a particular meal that only one member of the family likes and which takes a lot of preparation (what me? Cook?) then I might do it as a treat and the rest of us have something simple like pasta bake which does itself, or when we're out for a meal I would point it out to them on the menu and suggest they have it then!
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I was a child during World War 2, when meat was rationed.
Every now and then we would have liver, and I was required to eat it. The taste was terrible, so I used to cut it into small pieces and swallow it quickly without chewing.
I disliked broccoli with equal intensity, but no one ever made me eat it.
As an adult I like broccoli but gag every time I try to eat liver. (Actually I've given up trying.) I'm sure my reaction to liver is a result of my childhood experience.
With my own children I didn't let them eat anything they wanted to, but I let them not eat anything they didn't want to. I also refrained from serving a meal which consisted entirely of things they didn't like.
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babybear
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Originally posted by Qlib:
Babybear -re Ariel's post: switch on your irony detectors!
Blast! Iron deficite! [switches on irony dectectors and receptors]
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Laura
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Okay, because babybear has once again practically accused me of hateful cooking deliberately to upset my children (since obviously I couldn't have spent all that time on risotto out of love) (though I didn't actually claim that -- I made the risotto primarily because I wanted to see if I could, and also because my husband loves it) I will note for the record that both of my children like both broccoli and rice. So I was not offering them something I knew they hated, but rather, something I thought they might quite enjoy.
[ 15. January 2005, 15:16: Message edited by: Laura ]
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Laura
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And also, your honor, I made them ravioli on request last night. And tonight is taco/tortilla night, their favorite food night of ther week, at which they get to wolf down rice, black beans, tortillas, spiced chicken, salsa, etcetera.
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Pegasus*
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Originally posted by Smudgie:
Incidentally, I don't quite get the "I can't faff around cooking different things" approach.
I think it may be something to do with large families. Cooking carrots instead of peas for one person is pretty easy. Cooking carrots instead of peas for one person, and brocoli instead of carrots or peas for another person, and making sure the third has an extra portion of mash and so on can quicky get unmannageable.
In the end, what I used to do was do cook one big pot of greens, stick it on the table, and let people help themselves to the bits they wanted out of that.
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Gracious rebel
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OK we're a smallish family (2 adults and 2 teens), but I do find myself often having to cook different meals for different people. But worse than that, there are days like today when you are not even sure who will be here at mealtime, let alone what they prefer to eat!
This morning I asked my sons their plans for the day and whether they would be here to eat tonight. Neither could give anything but the vaguest idea.
So I decided to make shepherds pie, as I've just recovered from a tummy bug and its the sort of 'bland' food that I crave. If and when I knew if they boys would be here, they could be offered that but if (as I suspected) they wouldn't eat it, I'd have to do them somethig else.
Turns out they are both here. Son no 2 is happy with the mashed potato part at least, (well as long as its grilled with cheese on top) so he's having that with a chicken pie out of the freezer.
Son no 1 won't eat mash in any form, so chose a ready meal from the freezer Chicken Tikka Massala. All are in the oven now.
I'm also cooking carrots, but son no 2 doesn't eat any cooked veg, and son no 1 only eats carrots raw unless he's really in the mood for them.
At least everyone is willing to eat banana & custard for afters!!
Methinks I've gone too far down the anti food-Nazi path!!
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babybear
Bear faced and cheeky with it
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Originally posted by Laura:
Okay, because babybear has once again practically accused me of hateful cooking deliberately to upset my children
Goodness knows if this is irony or not, cos my irony detector is still not working.
Laura, I have not practically, or impractically accused you of anything. I disagree with some of your methods, and you disagree with mine. I can not see that there is any benefit to be gained from forcing food on children, especially when that food that is often an acquired taste.
I know you well enough to be very aware that you love your children very much, and that you are doing your best to bring up your children. [no sarcasm, no condescension etc]
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Josephine
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Originally posted by Gracious rebel:
Methinks I've gone too far down the anti food-Nazi path!!
That's definitely possible! At our house, we make sure there is at least one thing at each meal that we know each person at the table will eat. So, if we're having Thai shrimp curry over rice, Littlest One will eat the rice. And we'll usually put raw carrots on the table, too, because both Littlest One and Middle Son will (usually) eat them, and they're no trouble at all.
If someone decides they can't or won't eat anything on the table, they're welcome to fix a sandwich for themselves, and join the rest of us at the table.
We used to urge Middle Son (the pickiest of the bunch) to try new foods, but when he was diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome, our pediatrician told us that nearly all kids with AS are extremely picky eaters and that we should Just Back Off. She said that urging or encouraging would likely to make him more picky, not less. So we did, and eventually he did ask to try things that were being served to the rest of the family, and while he is still an extremely picky eater, he eats more than he used to.
I really like Smudgie's approach, as it seems both respectful and effective, which is, to me, a good thing.
And, Laura, I do know how frustrating it is to fix something you are sure your kids will like, only to have them refuse to touch it. That's especially frustrating when it's something they have eaten and enjoyed before. So, you were fixing some exotic shrimp dish for the adults, and went to the trouble of making some just plain popcorn shrimp for the boys, and then they wouldn't eat it, even though they have claimed to like it in the past -- that's a pain in the neck. But it happens.
For kids on the autism spectrum, though, like Middle Son and Littlest One, one of the things that plays into their food choices (besides sensory issues) is the fact that novelty of any kind provokes anxiety. Even new foods. And when they're feeling anxious or stressed out in other areas of their lives, I think they limit their food choices even more than usual, insisting on nothing but the same thing, prepared the same way as always.
It can be annoying, but I think meals are more pleasant for everyone when we concentrate on the social aspect of meals, and don't worry too much about who eats what.
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QLib
Bad Example
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Originally posted by Laura:
I will note for the record that both of my children like both broccoli and rice.
Well, mine went from eating almost anything (at about the age of two/three) through an increasingly steep curve of things they despised / disliked / wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole. This included, for example, red peppers, which at one stage had been sufficiently popular to be named on Santa's list. Things plateau'd at about the age of 14 (a low - or should that be high? - point in all sorts of ways) and now they are steadily increasing their repetoire. The youger one - now 18 btw - amazed me in December by requesting sprouts for Christmas Dinner.
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rosamundi
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Originally posted by chukovsky:
ETA: Can you bake risotto in the oven, like you do rice pudding?
According to Queen Delia, yes, you can.
Dreadful person that I am, I cook mushroom risotto in the microwave. It takes about 20 minutes.
Deborah
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Laura
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My mother used to say, "I am not a short order cook!" in making us have "no thank you" helpings of okra and tomatoes (my mother's soul food).
I'm now considering what Mother Ogre's Hateful Cookery Book would contain. Eels in aspic? Broccoli Anchovy surprise? Oyster Stew With Okra? Mashed Swede and Meat Containing Bones?
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Laura
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Originally posted by rosamundi:
Dreadful person that I am, I cook mushroom risotto in the microwave. It takes about 20 minutes.
Deborah
Would you believe I don't own a microwave? We're very old-fashioned. I don't like the flavor of things cooked in the microwave.
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Our rule for kinder jr is that she is encouraged to try something she does not like, but not forced to eat it. If she doesn't find food enough on the table to suit, she is welcome to have have bread and butter as long as she makes it herself- and no complaints, no negative comments about the other food. It works pretty well, but she has gone off veggies that she used to eat. I figure I hated veggies when a kid, so she might just grow back into them.
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RuthW
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Originally posted by Laura:
Would you believe I don't own a microwave? We're very old-fashioned. I don't like the flavor of things cooked in the microwave.
Now I'm back your side again. [Laura rolls her eyes, but is otherwise patient. ] If you can't cook and eat nothing but Cup o' Noodles and Box o' Dinner, a microwave must be a godsend, but if you can cook, I don't see the point of having a microwave.
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Laura
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See how Ruth flip-flops!
People ask: how do you do leftovers??? Hint: people ate heated leftovers before there were microwaves.
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Moo
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Microwaves are great for cooking rice. They're also great for making sauces and gravies thickened with flour; it's much easier to make the finished product lump-free.
I also like salmon and fresh vegetables microwaved.
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Microwaves are good for leftovers (like heating up just ONE CUP of that delicious mulled wine) and popcorn. Scrubbing a popcorn popper is a truly tedious task. But I agree that meat heated in a microwwave tastes pretty poor.
I have come to appreciate my Japanese rice cooker, although the hoppin' john came out a little al dente for my taste on New Year's Day.
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The newest Tooklet (on loan to me, new at age 12) looked up from his spaghetti long enough to ask why we never have pasta at our house. "Pasta" is apparantly only the orange-ish pre-packaged mac&cheese.
He had his teacher write a note in his homework book that I put too many carrots in his lunch.
His complaint to the children's aid worker was that we served vegetables (I leave you to imagine his facial expression) at every evening meal. Oh! The Humanity!
He's a pretty amazing kid, though. While his little heart thrills at the thought of pizza (real pizza, not that stuff we make at home with dough on the bottom and tomato sauce and pick-your-own toppings and cheese) he's pretty willing to eat something if everyone else is. And we're doubly blessed that Tooklet the Elder enjoys his veggies, and is prepared to set a good example.
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Firenze
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Originally posted by RuthW:
if you can cook, I don't see the point of having a microwave.
Microwaves have their place in the Great Scheme of Things. Firstly, for recipes where any ingredients require previous cooking - 'saute the onions' translates fine into putting them in the microwave with a little oil for 1 minute.
Secondly, for preparing stock - 40 or 50 minutes is the equivalent of several hours, and without worrying whether it is going to boil over/dry.
Thirdly, for all green or tender vegetables. Cabbage - dab of butter, no water, and no more than 3 minutes. Perfect.
I cannot understand why anyone wants a cookerful of saucepans all boiling away for 10 or 20 minutes to do veggies, when the microwave will do it all in 4 or 5, and no pots to wash.
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I'm in the "no microwave" camp. I think if I'm cooking all the other parts of the meal, one more pot/steamer for veggies isn't going to make much difference in the scheme of things and I can time things to be ready together more easily.
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Ariel
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I first bought the microwave when I was living in a shared flat and a new flatmate moved in. On her first day she proceeded to spend 4 hours in our kitchen cooking herself lunch. As said kitchen was just big enough to fit the appliances and a dwarf to operate them, had a cooker with only three rings on it, and counter space 1.5' long, sharing a kitchen wasn't really an option.
The microwave came in handy over the years that followed. I can cook, but as Firenze says you can use it for shortcuts: defrosting is a particularly good one. It's still useful now, when some evenings I get in at around 7pm after a busy day and time-consuming journey home and have neither the energy or enthusiasm for spending the best part of an hour cooking. I don't want dinner at 8 or later, I want it pretty much when I get in.
On a practical note, it saves on electricity bills as well as time. Instead of having the oven on warming up and then on for a while, or pans bubbling away for half an hour, I can do whatever it is in about 5 minutes.
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Janine
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When the ice storms took our power out Christmas Day, I did some of the veggies for dinner in my microwave, having powered it and a lamp with a cord stretched across the street to my sister's house. I've a blog entry that tells about how weird that day was (see sig. link).
And before I got my hot & cold springwater dispenser, I used the mic for a quick cup of hot water for tea. A microwave is a Good Thing.
Of course nothing will ever replace an old-fashioned oven for some things. Such as threatening to truss up and bake unruly little children. They know perfectly well they'd never fit in the mic, so the threat loses a lot of its punch.
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Gracious rebel
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I never thought I wanted a microwave (it was a surprise Christmas present about 15 years ago, and is still going strong!) - but now wouldn't be without it.
As well as reheating and defrosting, its also great for making sauces, custard, scrambled eggs, (superior to a saucepan for all these three - no lumps!!), sponge puddings, melting chocolate or butter, and making porridge.
One thing I don't use it for is jacket potatoes - to me they taste awful done in the microwave (I like the crunchy skins you get when cooked in a proper oven) so would rather wait an hour or so and cook a potato properly.
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Firenze
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True, I'd forgotten the Christmas Pudding In Moments.
It depends on the kind of cooking. It does moist cooking as well as/better - and certainly faster - than boiling or steaming.
But I would never use it as a substitute for dry cooking methods like roasting, frying or grilling. However, it can get foods ready for these processes - my roast potatoes are always microwaved first (in their skins if reds), then finished in pre-heated oil (with sea salt and rosemary).
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For some reason I am incapable of making rice, either in a pot or in the microwave, which is supposed to be easier. Rice and I just don't get on.
I didn't know you could make sauces in the microwave - I'll have to try that. I usually have to take a potato masher to mine, no matter how careful I am with the stirring and the adding of the milk a bit at a time. Yet other people seem to be able to just fling the ingredients in a pot and produce perfect, smooth sauce. Another mystery.
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Ariel
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I agree about the roast potatoes. I've never been able to cook them successfully by the traditional method, but I also prepare them in the microwave and now, they work.
I also like jacket potatoes from the microwave - it only takes 10 minutes and I don't eat the skins anyway, so it's fine with me if they're soft. If you're cooking just for yourself it seems a bit excessive to heat up an entire oven for a single potato.
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Laura
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I don't like microwaved "baked" potatoes either. I have to have that wonderful crackly skin you get with a proper hour (or even longer) baking. Plus, baked potatoes are no bother at all, as long as you throw them in the oven the moment you walk in from work; then you can go about the other parts of the dinner with one major piece out of the way.
Just remember to poke 'em a bit, or ... you know. Mount Potatubo!
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Moo
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When I make a beef stew in my slow cooker, I always microwave the carrots for a few minutes first to make sure they end up nice and tender.
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Ronja
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Inspired by this thread, I tried making risotto in the microwave... took half the time and tasted twice as nice as my usual attempts.
Perhaps this says more about the low quality of my "ordinary" risotto... ![[Paranoid]](graemlins/paranoid.gif)
Recipe found by googling.
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Beethoven
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Small victory in the Beets household tonight! ![[Smile]](smile.gif) Opus 1, now 3 and a bit has not eaten broccoli for something over a year. I've not even put any on her plate for most of that time, even being sad enough to pick it out of the frozen mixed veg, since if she saw it on her plate she wouldn't eat anything else on the plate, no matter if it wasn't anywhere near. Tonight, we were all having some, so I offered her some from the serving bowl, expecting a 'no thank you', but got a 'yes please'. OK, victory no. 1. Next, getting her to try it... Took a small nibble, then another one. Decided she 'liked it a little bit but not a lot'. Didn't want to eat any more, but didn't push it, being stunned that we'd got that far!
My 2 major issues at mealtimes with Opus 1 are a) basic manners - you use your fork, not your fingers, you sit (relatively) still, you don't wave your fork wildly in the air, or stab it into other people, you don't take food off other people's plates etc. and b) as long as you say you've finished, that's fine, regardless of how much you've eaten. It remains my prerogative, as mummy, to decide whether you've eaten enough to get a pudding. Oh yes, and c) you must drink your drink all up. Without this last, she'd dehydrate herself.
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Miffy
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Ah yes, the Broccoli Battle. Happy days!
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Amazing Grace*
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The microwave, besides being essential for reheating the Healthy Work Lunches, is an important part of my batterie de cuisine at home, and not just for heating up frozen dinners.
Besides leftovers (including the all important leftover coffee ...) I do a lot of veggies in it.
I also melt chocolate and scald cream for truffles in mine. I know I can do this on the stove, but this way the whole thing stays in my trusty quart Pyrex measure, the better to refrigerate (because fewer dishes).
I just saw a recipe for pecan brittle a la micro on LiveJournal. I'm going to try that one when I'm back to eating candy .
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Gill H
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Never had a microwave, and never wanted one. Quickly heated Christmas Pudding is yucky. It took us hours to make it and hours to do the initial steaming, so why skip the final few hours and ruin the taste?
For the last few years we've eaten our Christmas meal at lunchtime, then steamed the pudding and eaten it about 5pm when our appetites have returned.
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babybear
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I use my microwave mostly for melting, re-heating or for cooking veggies.
One of the things that is best done in the microwave is porridge oats. Steaming hot porridge, made in the bowl it will be eaten from - fantastic. It tastes good, and there is no washing of horrible porridge pots.
For baked potatoes, with non-moist, but not crisp skins: cook in the microwave for 5-10 mins, so the potato is cooked, then pop in the oven for 30 mins to vastly improve the taste.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Can confirm the AS/picky eating link. As a kid, I couldn't cope with a different brand of beefburgers from the normal - they tasted different, which was Just Wrong, which causes anxiety. That's how a kid with AS' brain works.
School dinners were therefore pretty much inedible, because everything was done differently, and was therefore Just Wrong.
Did I get the impression further up there that some people consider cheese on top of shepherd's pie to be an optional extra? Heresy!
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Amorya
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Originally posted by Gracious rebel:
OK we're a smallish family (2 adults and 2 teens), but I do find myself often having to cook different meals for different people. But worse than that, there are days like today when you are not even sure who will be here at mealtime, let alone what they prefer to eat!
My family traditionally refused to cook different meals. One meal was made - if you didn't like it, you sat at the table until it was over and then you could make yourself something more to your taste. (No opening the freezer for that, though - you couldn't go and fill up on junk food.)
That, I reckon, was fair. In fact, I wish they'd been slightly more forceful in making us eat stuff.
They weren't horrible about it. I hate mushrooms, as I've mentioned, so if the dish contained them then wherever possible I would get served a portion with fewer mushrooms. If I still got some, I'd just leave them on the side of my plate or donate them to another family member. They wouldn't usually cook something based entirely on mushrooms. However, I used to dislike onions - and since they formed a base of a lot of foods, I had to either sit there picking them out or just put up with them.
If/when I have kids, I definitely don't plan to make multiple meals for them. I reckon I'll go down roughly the same route as my parents - you sit with food in front of you until everyone has finished, then you can make yourself something out of the healthy stuff in the cupboards. I don't think I'll put up with faddiness though - if someone liked something multiple times in the past, then they can't just not fancy it one day and then go and make something else. But hey - I'm not a parent yet, so what do I know?
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Originally posted by Firenze:
However, it can get foods ready for these processes - my roast potatoes are always microwaved first (in their skins if reds), then finished in pre-heated oil (with sea salt and rosemary).
Heretic! Everyone knows the potatoes have to be parboiled first, then shaken about a bit to make the outsides slightly mushy, THEN put in the roasting pan!
On the subject of microwaves, I guess they have a place. I don't think I've used one for anything but ready meals and hot chocolate for ages - and the ready meals are when I'm eating on campus and don't want to cook or get an expensive take-away.
The microwave at our uni house broke last term. I never noticed until it was pointed out... although that may say more about the amount of time I spend cooking there
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Beethoven
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Originally posted by babybear:
One of the things that is best done in the microwave is porridge oats. Steaming hot porridge, made in the bowl it will be eaten from - fantastic. It tastes good, and there is no washing of horrible porridge pots.
Except that I have the gift of always trying to do just a teensy bit too much, so it boils over and makes a lovely mess. Result: having to clean the microwave, plus the original bowl used as the porridge has to be decanted into a clean one prior to being given to Opus 1...
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Red Star Bethlehem
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Originally posted by Mr Me:
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Originally posted by Laura:
Gort: you are aware that there are children starving in Africa?
"You WILL eat up all your food, son. There are many poor kids in Africa who would be happy if they had only half as much as you do."
"So would I."
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ken
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Originally posted by babybear:
cook in the microwave for 5-10 mins, so the potato is cooked, then pop in the oven for 30 mins to vastly improve the taste.
If you are using the oven at all, why bother to use the microwave?
Permit me to quote from
my own previous rant on a related topic
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They are baked in an oven and they are baked potatoes. And it has got to be a real oven. Every now and then some food illiterate claims to make great baked potatoes in a microwave oven. You can't bake anything in a microwave, they aren't baked potatoes they are badly-cooked boiled potatoes, overdone and dry in the middle and surrounded by a half-centimetre thick layer of dusty, grainy yellowing stuff that peels off the outside and won't absorb the butter. Even with the heater attachment they aren't remotely like baked potatoes. Maybe microradio-oveners (as a German might put it) don't actually like baked potatoes, and are quite glad to get away from the chore of eating all that crispy skin and the yellow chewy bits that form under it and the little air pockets that your butter and cheese soaks into.
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L’amor che move il sole e l’altre stelle.
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ken
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Originally posted by Rat:
For some reason I am incapable of making rice, either in a pot or in the microwave, which is supposed to be easier. Rice and I just don't get on.
Seriously, do it this way:
Measure the rice in a cup. It doesn't matter how big the cup is. One ordinary tea mug of dry rice is enough for two people as a side dish.
For each cup of rice you want 2 cups of water. (or just a little less - roughtly speaking the more you paid for the rice the less water it wants - but the amount isn't exactly critical)
Put rice and water together cold in a pan (with a little butter and salt if you want. Or even chopped onion, but that's getting posh)
Bring it to the boil, stirring occasionally to stop it sticking. Use a wooden spoon or spatula.
When it is boiling, turn it down to very low simmer, give one last stir, put a lid on the pot (the tighter the better) and resist all temptation to look at it for 5 minutes.
After 5 minutes, take it off the heat, remove the lid, stir again, fluff it up with the spoon (i.e turn it over so rice from the bottom of the pan is exposed to the air & the grains have a chance to separate) and replace the lid. Leave it on the side while you get on with something else. 5 minutes minimum, 10 minutes is better. It can last 15 minutes withoug cooling too much unless youare cooking outdoors in the arctic. Cooked rice is a very good insulator!
It will sit there absorbing any excess water. This time gap is actually very useful because you can get on with preparing the rest of the meal. At the end, fluff it up with the spoon again.
THIS WILL WORK.
REALLY
IT IS VERY EASY.
IT IS EASIER THAN COOKING PASTA OR BOILED POTATOES.
To recap:
- 2:1 water:rice (or a little less water)
- bring to boil from cold
- stir
- simmer 5 mins with lid on tight
- stir
- leave 10 mins with lid on tight
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L’amor che move il sole e l’altre stelle.
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babybear
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Originally posted by ken:
If you are using the oven at all, why bother to use the microwave?
Time! It cuts 50 mins off the cooking time.
Coming in from work and having to wait 1h 30 for dinner is a bit much, but 35-40 mins is far more realistic.
At 40 mins you can start off dinner, check email, deal with the day's post, sort out a load of laundry, make a cup of tea, then make a nice filling for the potato.
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Laura
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I guess that's why we mostly have baked potatoes on weekends -- I throw them in circa five o'clock, then get about the other meal bits. I agree with ken about the inferior flavor and texture of a microradiowaved potato to the mmmmmmmmmm crusty loveliness of a properly baked potato, but this is, I realize, a matter of taste.
But as to other things, I find there are very few things a microwave speeds up significantly. And whenever I have in the past used one for something sensible, like defrosting meat a bit, it screws it up by actually cooking a portion of the meat. So when we still had a microwave, I stopped using it even for that. Now I just pull meat from the freezer the night before and toss it in the fridge and by dinner the next day, it's ready to cook.
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