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Nightlamp
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Yet, another vicar (Philip Gray) has been caught with his pants down and there is no doubt, a five-year-old child with his DNA. The locals let the cat out the bag when he criticised a TV programme for exploiting the sanctity of marriage.
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Though Mrs Denton-Cardew said that she had a "loving" relationship for several years with Mr Gray, who has five other children from his 29-year marriage to his wife Anne, the priest made a complaint to police earlier this year that he had been duped into having sex with her
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No one has ever duped me into having sex?
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He interrupted his morning service to tell the congregation of 50 from the pulpit: "Many of you will have heard serious allegations about me. There is another explanation, however, in which I am the victim and not the perpetrator of a sinister scheme
Several things of note he won't resign and the bishop can't sack him and the congregation think he is great.
I wonder if he should resign?
Stories are found in telegraph and local newspaper (using makeashorterlink)
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I'm pretty sure the bishop can sack him - this is one of the few circumstances in which that can happen. There are shedloads of procedure to go through to make it happen though.
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Originally posted by Nightlamp:
Yet, another vicar (...) has been caught with his pants down ...
Nightlamp omits the laugh factor of the parish name - St Mary the Virgin! ![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif)
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It would take an awful lot of procedures to get him out especially as he has 1) the Freehold and 2) the apparent backing of the Parish. The Telegraph's story was written in best Daily Mail style however. I love the bit where the journo calls him 'high church' (Fr Gray is Head of the Catholic League that tries for reunion with the Holy See) and says "Mr Gray, who likes to be called 'Father',". Terrible but irrestible. Much better would be 'Anglo-Catholic priest has sex with woman shock - Bishop comes out in sympathy'.
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mousethief
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How come nobody ever dupes me into having sex? ![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif)
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This reminds me of this marvelous song, the The Vicar and the Frog.
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I'm interested in the fact that he was 'duped into having sex with her'
I am wondering what 'dupe' was employed. If I knew then it might help me to avoid falling into the same trap.
It concerns me that this poor fellow must have had sex and when he was on his way home suddenly realised, "My goodness I have been duped into having sex". All quite alarming that us poor males can be put upon in this way. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Louise
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Much better would be 'Anglo-Catholic priest has sex with woman shock - Bishop comes out in sympathy'.
But Cosmo, he does claim he was drugged and jumped on by the woman, so perhaps he was bravely upholding standards after all.
I hope this doesn't give ideas to any Anglo Catholic would-be Joyce McKinneys.
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"In this day and age when you hear about paedophile vicars, what he has done is really not all that awful. But his claim that Belinda somehow made him have sex does seem rather incredible."
(from the first link Nightlamp posted).
This is exactly what I felt reading this. What did she do, hold him down and rape him? Or is she some kind of Jezebel and hyponotically enticed him? Or maybe she slipped him a mickey (drugged him)? I am honestly baffled how a grown man 'is the victim of "a sinister scheme"'? Is anyone buying this in the AC upper level? Anywhere?
I hope the man takes on some responsibility for the life he brought into the world and also stops this foolish nonsense. I want to kick his a*& in Christian love. Not because he made a mistake, but because of his blame-shifting for the mistake he made. There is a precious child out there and a deluded woman. Argh. Ok, I will shut up.
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dyfrig
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Perhaps the dupess used some Pimms No.1 cup to encourage the poor Father into her arms.
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I can just picture the scene:
"Would you mind awfully? My pipes are blocked, and I wondered if you would be so kind as to loan me your plunger? Please excuse me while while I limbo-dance under the sink, so as to be able to provide moral assistance.
Ooooh. It's a bit tight under here. I'm going to have to remove my clothes. That's better. Now, I can see much better where your tool needs to go. Let me guide it for you...."
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In some jurisdictions, it is possible to prosecute a woman for raping a man -- although certain mechanical aspects may be count against this, it is recognised that coercion can take place at many levels. And there are examples of DNA stealing, where the hapless man deposits his leaving card in what he imagines is a safe place, only for refiling to take place after he leaves.
However: these are few and far between. The balance of probabilities are against the fecund Father, I fear. I know it isn't a glass house in which he lives, and his stones remained unthrown (if not undrained), but something of the metaphor appears apt.
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mousethief
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But Rex Monday, he wasn't coerced into having sex, he was duped. What on earth does that mean?
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Sine Nomine*
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Originally posted by Mousethief:
he was duped. What on earth does that mean?
Reader Alexis
I think it means he thought he was going to enjoy it, but didn't....or maybe she was wearing a wonderbra.
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Callan
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
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Originally posted by Mousethief:
he was duped. What on earth does that mean?
Reader Alexis
I think it means he thought he was going to enjoy it, but didn't.
I think the words are "get away with" rather than "enjoy".
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Sine Nomine:
or maybe she was wearing a wonderbra.
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"I thought I was having sex with somebody really stacked! Boy was I duped!"
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'He asked water, and she gave him milk; she brought forth butter in a lordly dish/ She put her hand to the nail and her right hand to the workmen's hammer....' (Judges 5:18)
But more likely he wishes to suggest that she told him she was unable to conceive and so he was duped as to the possibility of a child. She was 43 at the time, and, though perfectly pleasant to look at, nothing extraordinary. He denied paternity, apparently, and it had to be proved in court some years ago to get his name on the child's birth certificate.
Spot the bastard.
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Louise
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Amos, he seems to have been claiming that he was drugged and date-raped.
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Officers were obliged to investigate claims that Mr Gray might have been drugged and had sex without knowing it. They submitted a file to the Crown Prosecution Service, which dropped the case last week.
As one of his parishioners noted
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"But his claim that Belinda somehow made him have sex does seem rather incredible. It is a shame he did not just admit that he was the father straight away and then it would all have been forgotten about."
Clearly our dear Anglo Catholic Fathers are going to have to start taking precautions that nobody's spiking their gin. They should drink straight from the bottle, be wary of accepting gin from strangers (and church organists) and never leave their drinks unattended, lest they wake up with a terrible hangover, their vestments in disarray and the CSA after them for child support.
There should be a public safety film.
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This sounds like a very sorry story indeed and one that does nothing for the standing of the ordained ministry or the catholic cause in the Church of England. Whatever the details, resignation must surely be the only honourable course open to Fr Gray if there is a grain of truth in any of the allegations. Certainly the Bishop should urge it upon him. If it was considered appropriate, removal under the Incumbents (Vacation of Benefices) Measure would be possible, although as Cosmo has already pointed out it is not a pleasant procedure and most people are naturally reluctant to see it used. Resignation would negate the need for that though.
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Golden Key
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It is possible for a man to be raped; often that isn't taken seriously enough. And there are lots of date-rape drugs around these days.
My *guess* would be that he simply didn't want to be found out. But his allegations should be investigated--to ensure fairness for future rape victims, if nothing else.
Whatever happened, I especially feel for the little boy, and for the vicar's family. ![[Tear]](graemlins/tear.gif) ![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif)
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Amos
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Thank you Louise, I'd missed that bit. Hmm. He can't be suggesting she put viagra in his cocoa. He really must be suggesting he was given that great one-two punch of 'knock-out, knock-up' drops, possibly via saturated hankie clamped suddenly to his mouth and nostrils while he was rapt in contemplation. One moment he had his eye on Our Lady of Walsingham, the next he was waking up with a familiar feeling of tristesse.
This is a bigger farce than the Dean of Lincoln and Verity Freestone.
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Sarkycow
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Now come on guys. 'frin, ooops, umm, the woman didn't dupe anyone into having sex - in fact he said it was practical following from the theory in marriage prep classes.
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mousethief
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Men can be raped, and I don't want to make light of that, but again I keep coming back to the word duped. "I didn't realize it was sex, yerroner, I thought she was just cleaning my willy with her tongue."
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One more reason to join the clergy. I'll send off for the application forms forthwith...
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Sine Nomine*
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Anecdotal, I admit, but a quick email survey of my friends reveals that none of them feel they have ever been duped into having sex.
One did feel he had been duped into his first marriage, however.
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I've been on this Ship for a long time now and not once has anybody tried to dupe me into having sex. Is there something wrong with me and do I need counselling. ![[Help]](graemlins/help.gif)
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Sine Nomine*
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Originally posted by Mousethief:
"I didn't realize it was sex, yerroner, I thought she was just cleaning my willy with her tongue."
Had they stopped there, he wouldn't be in the mess he is now.
p.s. to Clyde: They obviously think you're just too darn smart to be duped. Just like I couldn't fool you that the Queen was a muslim.
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Sarkycow
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Praps she claimed to have a word from the Lord?
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Yes, its not terribly convincing, is it. Wickedly, I immediately thought what a surprise it was to discover a High Church Father into the vagina business, and then thought, given Cosmo's revelation, that he is probably doing what most Catholic priests of the heterosexual persuasion do with their housekeeper in any case.... ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by Merseymike:
Yes, its not terribly convincing, is it. Wickedly, I immediately thought what a surprise it was to discover a High Church Father into the vagina business, and then thought, given Cosmo's revelation, that he is probably doing what most Catholic priests of the heterosexual persuasion do with their housekeeper in any case....
Mike, apart from your post being complete bullshit, how does it not break Commandment 3?
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Originally posted by Merseymike:
... he is probably doing what most Catholic priests of the heterosexual persuasion do with their housekeeper in any case....
What? Paying her a small wage to clean the house and make meals?
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Adrian1
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Maybe I've led a sheltered life but I fail to see how a man can possibly be raped - by a woman that is. Of course she might handle some of his organs in a certain way without his consent and if she did so that would constitute an assault. However, I cannot see how she could possibly rape him. Can anyone enlighten me?
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Nightlamp
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Originally posted by kenwritez:
Mike, apart from your post being complete bullshit, how does it not break Commandment 3?
I am trying to find the personal attack in what merseymike said, I see unsubstantiated rumour but nothing more.
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Men can have erections when asleep and/or drugged - the errectile response is, to some extent (ahem), autonomous, so I guess one could be knocked out, manually stimulated and then taken advantage of without consent. That constitutes rape. I bet it's rare though.
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Nightlamp
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Another confusing aspect is that it took him five years to notice he had been duped. Oh crumbs I just remembered I had drunk to much gin after that funeral and something odd happened and there was only me and the organist at the church.
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Kenwritez - why are you so humourless ? Your avatar is so, so accurate.
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Originally posted by HE the Exarch of Ultima Thule:
However, I cannot see how she could possibly rape him. Can anyone enlighten me?
A strap-on and a bottle of Johnsons baby oil is all that is required. I'm not sure how pregnancy would ensue from such a union though.
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Re my earlier comment on Joyce Mckinney, that was the famous case of the former Miss Wyoming who kidnapped a Mormon missionary she fancied, chained him to a bed and had her wicked way with him.
She was also famous for her comment 'I loved Kurt so much I would have skied down Mount Everest nude with a red carnation up my nose for him'
It greatly exercised the British tabloids at the time. I would post a link but the only one I can find would be unsuitable even for T&T. Interested parties should type her name into Google with the terms 'mormon' 'sex' and 'chains' (but I don't recommend this at work).
The clergy really must take more precautions.
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Originally posted by Adrian1:
This ... does nothing for ... the catholic cause in the Church of England.
And that sort of sectarian comment does nothing for the Catholicity of Christ's ekklesia
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Those wondering how a male can be raped by a female. I believe the most common court cases are regarding older women and underage boys. There was a case in the papers ages ago about some 15 year old boys and their teacher. Here the 'technica;' sense of rape was being tested, i.e. having sex with a minor is deemed rape for prosecutions sake. I'm afraid I can't remember the result of the case though. At the time, the press were much excised as to whether or not it was possible. I think most said the kids were probably gagging for it. Though, I guess in some cases some poor impressionable lad may be 'duped' or even raped.
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Originally posted by Fiddleback:
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Originally posted by HE the Exarch of Ultima Thule:
However, I cannot see how she could possibly rape him. Can anyone enlighten me?
A strap-on and a bottle of Johnsons baby oil is all that is required. I'm not sure how pregnancy would ensue from such a union though.
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*it would be Johnson's, and
*because it's baby oil, silly.
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*because it's baby oil, silly.
Oh, of course! What was I thinking?
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The clergy really must take more precautions.
I have heard and acted upon this suggestion. From now on, I will be wearing two condoms at all times to ensure that, should I fall foul of such a terrible attack, I will at least be secure in the confidence that I will not also be required to provide financial support for any offspring ensuing from such an encounter....
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Dyfrig said
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And that sort of sectarian comment does nothing for the Catholicity of Christ's ekklesia
I said it precisely because I care deeply about the Catholic cause - within the Church of England and beyond it. Nothing causes me more sadness than to see it damaged by priests who ought to know better!
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Originally posted by Merseymike:
Kenwritez - why are you so humourless ? Your avatar is so, so accurate.
Ah, you were joking, then? I apologize for my complaint. I thought you were categorizing all straight RC priests as schtupping their housekeepers.
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kenwritez and MM, neither of you has ever seen the average "Straight RC priest's housekeeper"....the main criterion is that such a female be postmenopausal!
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Originally posted by multipara:
kenwritez and MM, neither of you has ever seen the average "Straight RC priest's housekeeper"....the main criterion is that such a female be postmenopausal!
And this means they don't have sex? You're, you're, you're AGEIST, that's what you are.
Maybe that's just so she can't possibly get pregnant. ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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