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Scot
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During my drive home last night, I was treated to a live radio interview with the indefatigable Reverend Fred Phelps. Note that I am using the title, "Reverend," in a strictly non-literal sense.
Fred (once poignantly and accurately described by Kelly Alves as "that old cunt") was promoting his plan to erect a monument to Matthew Shepard, the young gay man who was beaten to death in Wyoming five years ago yesterday. Before you get all weepy because Fred has changed his ways, I should describe the proposed monument. It will feature a picture of Shepard and will read, "Matthew Shepard; Entered Hell October 12, 1998, at Age 21; In Defiance of God's Warning: Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind; It is abomination. Leviticus 18:22." Charming, no?
This monument is to be placed in a park in Casper, Wyoming, where the Shepard family lives. Apparently there is a monument to the 10 Commandments in the same park and there is some legal opinion that the city cannot allow one religious statement while prohibiting another.
The listening audience was treated to some creative biblical exegesis by Fred. He claimed that Jesus said one should castrate oneself rather than be gay, that Sodom had the same percentage of gays as we do now, and that the term "fag" is a biblical metaphor from the book of Amos. Fred also explained that the September 11 attacks were an outpouring of God's wrath on America for Bush having appointed a gay ambassador to Romania. Those of you who can't tolerate Bush will be pleased to know you have a strong ally in Fred Phelps.
Finally, a caller asked if, as a Christian, Fred shouldn't be showing more charity and compassion for Matthew Shepard's family. Fred got angry about this "ad hominem attack" and hung up. It was an amazing performance, leading me to say:
FRED PHELPS, GET THE FUCK OFF OF MY TEAM! You make me want to give up Christianity.
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:::shudder:::
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What a sorry excuse for a human being.
Ironically by erecting a statue he will be fulfilling the Orthodox polite-thing-to-say-about-the-dead: "May his memory be eternal."
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There must be a law against this. Mustn't there? Seriously.
(I meant against erecting the statue, not against free speech, obviously!)
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Marvin the Martian
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What a twat. ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
It's not very Christian of me, but I detest with a passion such unbridled hate and intolerance as Phelps has poured out over the years.
Now I'm off to repent of my anger and hate. Something I suspect Mr Phelps has never even imagined he has to do.
[edited coz I think I went a bit over the top]
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Originally posted by Bongo:
There must be a law against this. Mustn't there? Seriously.
There's certainly a doctrine against it. God doesn't rejoice at the death of a sinner but rather that he may turn from his wickedness and live (says Ken, paraphrasing and conflating scripture simultaneously - if it was good enough for Paul its good enough for me).
Fred Phelps ought not to rejoice over something that God weeps over.
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Scot
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Originally posted by ken:
God doesn't rejoice at the death of a sinner but rather that he may turn from his wickedness and live (says Ken, paraphrasing and conflating scripture simultaneously - if it was good enough for Paul its good enough for me).
Fred Phelps ought not to rejoice over something that God weeps over.
The good reverend (by which I mean, "ignorant fuck") made it clear that he was sorry that Shepard died. However as a "gospel preacher" it was his job to make sure everyone knew that Shepard was in hell. I kept waiting for the gospel part of his preaching, but I never heard anything that was either good or new.
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Originally posted by Bongo:
There must be a law against this. Mustn't there? Seriously.
Or a city ordinance or something. You can't just go into a city park and put up a statue without permission. Phelps likely knows that but wants to stir up whatever trouble he can in the meantime. The man is seriously disturbed.
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Is there a link to this story?
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Scot
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The argument is that if the city disallows the new monument, they would have to remove the 10 Commandments monument that is already in the park. They are not allowed to favor one religious expression over another.
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But does a "memorial" count as a religious expression? I struggle with this one. A statue of the 10 commandments is, well, a statue of the 10 commandments. A statue of a person is a statue of a person; its purpose would be to commemorate the person, not to promote a religion.
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Scot
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Originally posted by Nightlamp:
Is there a link to this story?
Here's a story from the local paper. You can also see pictures of the proposed monument at Phelp's own godhatesfags.com.
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Laura
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Originally posted by Scot:
The argument is that if the city disallows the new monument, they would have to remove the 10 Commandments monument that is already in the park. They are not allowed to favor one religious expression over another.
Not a religious expression. It's a libel on the dead/or some tort or other, which there are actually prohibitions against in some cases. Wasn't there a lawsuit in New Mexico or similar where a priest was sued for Infliction of Emotional Distress when he gave a sermon expressing similar convictions about the dearly departed?
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ChrisT
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Who the fuck is he to pronounce who is and isn't in Hell, heaven or anywhere else? With such continuing hatred as this it makes me feel ashamed to be associated with the same God as he purports to know.
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Originally posted by Laura:
quote:
Originally posted by Scot:
The argument is that if the city disallows the new monument, they would have to remove the 10 Commandments monument that is already in the park. They are not allowed to favor one religious expression over another.
Not a religious expression. It's a libel on the dead/or some tort or other, which there are actually prohibitions against in some cases. Wasn't there a lawsuit in New Mexico or similar where a priest was sued for Infliction of Emotional Distress when he gave a sermon expressing similar convictions about the dearly departed?
So, is his goal to have the 10 Commandments monument removed by sparking outrage over his proposed statue?
How can it be libel? Do we know that it is untrue? What could be introduced as evidence of the truth or falseness of the statement?
Even if it speaks the truth, it is surely not acceptable to do so this way.
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I'm sorry -- I should be more clear. It is a libel-like offence, speaking ill of the dead. Of course it can neither be proven true or false.
Though I have to say, The Christ that I believe in would have cradled his poor battered body and taken his sweet spirit so horribly sinned against directly to Heaven, no matter what his sexual orientation.
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Phred Phelps is just a peach. Bless his pointy little head.
I am not sure about the one religious monument, therefore any old religious monument bit. How about no religious monuments? There seems to be some vague support in that constitution thingy for that position.
Perhaps the best thing to do with him is to ignore him. After all, if no one reacts to him he may not be able to get his jollies off doing what he does. In fact, the idea of Phred marching around and around with no one paying him any attention is just delightful.
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Zeke
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As much as I agree with the sentiments expressed here, it bothers me that some of the terms used to insult this horrible man are descriptive of parts of the female anatomy. What does this say about women? How did this get to be a custom?
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Originally posted by sharkshooter:
So, is his goal to have the 10 Commandments monument removed by sparking outrage over his proposed statue?
For, if so, then he's leading the fight against graven images, and you Protestants and Piskies ought to be supporting him. After all, if you don't, that would mean you're supporting Judge Moore's side of things, which says we ought to have the Ten Commandments in every courthouse.
So which'll it be? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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The Bede's American Successor
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Originally posted by Scot:
Fred ... was promoting his plan to erect a monument to Matthew Shepard, the young gay man who was beaten to death in Wyoming five years ago yesterday....It will feature a picture of Shepard and will read, "Matthew Shepard; Entered Hell October 12, 1998, at Age 21; In Defiance of God's Warning: Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind; It is abomination. Leviticus 18:22." Charming, no?
Doesn't this belong in Kÿralessa's thread about Tales of Incomptence?
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sharkshooter
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Originally posted by Kÿralessa:
For, if so, then he's leading the fight against graven images, and you Protestants and Piskies ought to be supporting him. After all, if you don't, that would mean you're supporting Judge Moore's side of things, which says we ought to have the Ten Commandments in every courthouse.
So which'll it be?
I am on Judge Moore's side, thankyouverymuch. However, that doesn't mean I agree with the tactics proposed by Phelps in this matter. It is not necessary to agree with both or neither.
What is a Piskie?
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Zeke
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I just figured it out! Now I feel dumb for not knowing right away. At first I thought it was something to do with fish.
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Originally posted by Kÿralessa:
For, if so, then he's leading the fight against graven images, and you Protestants and Piskies ought to be supporting him. After all, if you don't, that would mean you're supporting Judge Moore's side of things, which says we ought to have the Ten Commandments in every courthouse.
Nah, don't like your choices, and therefore will not choose either!
This Presby is quite happy to have statues (although not of the Phred type), and doesn't mean that we need to have the 10 Commandments in every Court in the land...
Actually, I have changed my mind. I am happy with statues, and also very happy to have "Don't be a jerk" etc displayed in every court.
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Mad Geo
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Nothing that a sledgehammer won't cure.
(ahem, referring to the statue, of course)
I am getting to like acts of civil disobedience more and more as I grow older. Like large crowds spontaneously forming and destroying "art" works.
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Originally posted by ken:
Fred Phelps ought not to rejoice over something that God weeps over.
What about the Shepard family? Is there anything they can do to block the use of their son's name and image?
I really hate stupid people, like this Fred Phelps! I'm quoting a running buddy of mine when I say Stupid Should Hurt!
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He is smart enough to get more attention than anyone ought to give him. It's not his intelligence (or lack of it), it is his hate-filled heart.
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I understand “hating hate”; but IMHO the idea of expecting only “good people” to be on “our team” is outdated.
My pastor is fond of saying “the devil loves disguise”, & if you don’t expect the devil (or the personification of evil) to be especially active in the church, you are underestimating evil.
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Flausa
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Fred Phelps has shit for brains and obviously has no understanding of the concept of grace. However, he doesn't make me want to not be a Christian, he makes me embarrassed that he's another American loon. Perhaps we can make a monument out of Phelps ... at the bottom of a lake.
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Alan Cresswell
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or, make a monument to Phelps and set it up in a park ... make sure there's a notice explaining how someone full of hate is Hell-bound ... maybe a quote from Scripture (say "Anyone who hates is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him", 1Jn3:15). I wonder whether he'll appreciate that.
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by Zeke:
As much as I agree with the sentiments expressed here, it bothers me that some of the terms used to insult this horrible man are descriptive of parts of the female anatomy. What does this say about women? How did this get to be a custom?
It slipped out one day during a thread like this one. Sorry, Zeke, you are right.
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Mad Geo
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Originally posted by Zeke:
As much as I agree with the sentiments expressed here, it bothers me that some of the terms used to insult this horrible man are descriptive of parts of the female anatomy. What does this say about women? How did this get to be a custom?
Oh it probably became a custom around the same time as calling people Dickhead, Penis, and Ass.
These things are not about women, and vise versa. To put things in perspective, I know many men that are bitches and many women that are assholes.
Now back to our regularly scheduled programming....
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Originally posted by BarkingMad Geo:
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Originally posted by Zeke:
As much as I agree with the sentiments expressed here, it bothers me that some of the terms used to insult this horrible man are descriptive of parts of the female anatomy. What does this say about women? How did this get to be a custom?
Oh it probably became a custom around the same time as calling people Dickhead, Penis, and Ass.
These things are not about women, and vise versa. To put things in perspective, I know many men that are bitches and many women that are assholes.
So does this mean that when we build a monument for Fred, we can call him both a dickhead and a twat?
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Mad Geo
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Actually the perfect monument would just be a dickhead.
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I would suggest that Phelps is unworthy of such biological distinction, and instead is more appropriately compared to smeg-encrusted shit.
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by Flausa:
So does this mean that when we build a monument for Fred, we can call him both a dickhead and a twat?
Though that would be lying by omission ... while both these are true there are so many more words we can use as well.
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I vote with RooK on this one...
If we do go Biological, how about "Waste of Spermatozoa?"
(p.s. Geo--re:Sledgehammer: get me a ticket, and I am there.)
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Phelps makes me more sympathetic to the Gnostic outlook. This guy has to be worshipping the Demiurge(TM). He sure doesn't have a line on the True God.
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Mad Geo
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
(p.s. Geo--re:Sledgehammer: get me a ticket, and I am there.)
Heh heh, this is how revolutions are started.....
We could form a Flash Mob to handle the situation.
I sincerely hope that all this talk from Fredshitbag is his usual bullshit rhetoric. But with him ya never know.
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
If we do go Biological, how about "Waste of Spermatozoa?"
Erin once told some fuckwit, "You're one load your mama should have swallowed."
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Was Fred at Plano? I'm sure he would find a warm welcome in Anglican Mainstream.
That's a bit too far, I think. ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif)
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I learned yesterday that Fred Phelps once upon a time was a significant civil-rights lawyer, doing much pro bono work. Is this right? If so, what on earth happened???
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Originally posted by RooK:
I would suggest that Phelps is unworthy of such biological distinction, and instead is more appropriately compared to smeg-encrusted shit.
No, because shit serves a useful purpose, as when it is processed into fertilizer, a good thing.
Phelps is a walking cry for mental help. I truly think he's insane. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Originally posted by IanB:
I learned yesterday that Fred Phelps once upon a time was a significant civil-rights lawyer, doing much pro bono work. Is this right? If so, what on earth happened???
Ian
As far as I know, it is true. There is a document called Addicted to Hate which is a sort of biography.
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Trevor, that is a sad story (also heroic,on the part of the son Mark, who started the truth-telling).
Thanks for the link. I could only stomach one chapter – do you know of any explanation for his hatred? Not that it would be either explanation or excuse; he is truly evil, to my mind.
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The Bede's American Successor
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Originally posted by BarkingMad Geo:
Actually the perfect monument would just be a dickhead.
Flacid, of course.
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Zeke
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I don't know, Bede, if you read enough of that thing you get the idea he was quite the billygoat.
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The Bede's American Successor
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Originally posted by Siegfried:
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Originally posted by Degs:
Was Fred at Plano? I'm sure he would find a warm welcome in Anglican Mainstream.
That's a bit too far, I think.
Sieg
Yea, Phelps would have to decide whether to side with the faction supporting female ordination or the side against it. It would take time away from his primary ministry of seriously annoying people.
As a person that used to live 10 miles from the Wyoming border in the southwest corner South Dakota, and was known to worship on occasion in the same parish that was Shepard's home parish (I knew the rector at that time), sometimes this gets a bit close to raw emotion for me. I don't have to apply too much imagination to the situation to see it all in my mind. ![[Tear]](graemlins/tear.gif)
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This was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride of wealth and food in plenty, comfort and ease, and yet she never helped the poor and the wretched.
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Fred Phelps ought not to rejoice over something that God weeps over.
What about the Shepard family? Is there anything they can do to block the use of their son's name and image?
Someone took that photograph and I bet they didn't give Phelps permission to use it.
While ignoring Phelps is tempting, it does nothing for the distress of Matthew Shepard's family at this evil use of their son's name in the service of hate.
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