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David
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I love the USA.
I love how the USA leads the world in technology. I love how the USA is a free, open society that is more concerned with the rights of individuals than collectivist dogma.
I love how the USA is generous to the point of stupidity. I love how the USA shows us that entertainment need not have any basis in reality. I love how the USA seeks to provide a secure free world for everybody else to live in, even though this leads to charges of egotism and self-interest.
I mean this in all sincerity. I love the USA.
It's Americans that I can't stand.
[ 10. March 2003, 01:30: Message edited by: Erin ]
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Moo
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quote:
Originally posted by David:
I mean this in all sincerity. I love the USA.
It's Americans that I can't stand.
Americans are the USA.
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Atticus
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Interestingly enough John Steinbeck said the opposite in Travels with Charley. Something about Europe hating america and loving americans... Perhaps that is the real difference between Americans and others(don't you just love that good old american chauvanism. Americans and others. who else is there?). Americans love america and hate americans, the "others" love americans and hate america. I frankly think it's aobut time somebody got bombed for those views. and that person should be me. It's a shame i'm at work.
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Wood
The Milkman of Human Kindness
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Um, I think that was the point.
More than once, we've had a statement from a European shipmate along the lines of "I loathe America and everything it stands for, but I don't mind Americans."
Then the person in question gets confused when the Americns here go apes**t.
Whether you agree with what David says about why he loves the US (which might be ironic. You often can't tell with ol' Dave, to be honest ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) . I'll tell you this: if a dedication to the responsibility of the state to the individual and of the individual to society is "collectivist dogma", call me a dogmatist) - ultimately you can't separate the nation from the people.
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duchess
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At least we weren't started as a penal colony...
(ducking and running....)
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Ultraspike
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That's okay, we say the same thing about ya'll. ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif)
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Callan
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I do not dislike Americans. I sometimes disagree with US foreign policy but do not regard it as uniquely wicked. I can think of occasions (the war in Bosnia, Suez) where the US has been right and Britain has been wrong.
Why do I feel like I've just admitted to holding a perverse minority opinion? ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
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mousethief
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To the tune of "God Bless America"
Let's bash America
Land that I loathe
We will bash her
And trash her
And act surprised
When despised
For our posts
From Australia
Or from Canada
Or from England
Let us say:
We hate America
We're just that way
But we're not jealous of
The U.S.A.
Okay once more with real feeling now....
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John Donne
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quote:
Originally posted by duchess:
At least we weren't started as a penal colony...
(ducking and running....)
Erm. I think you'll find that some parts of America were British penal colonies... and after the War of Independence that's why they were sent to us.
Anyway, I was coming to this thread to post a rude answer about how the frig I'm sick to death of threads slagging off America and isn't it time they all got moved to dead horses? Then I saw it was the redoubtable David that posted and he's sure to be engineering something clever that, poor obtuse poppet I am, haven't picked up.
Can we move the motherfucker to dead horses anyway? (Sorry Pyx_e mate ![[Wink]](wink.gif) )
I wish I was healthy and lived in America. I'd be making heaps of money.
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Olorin
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True (ish). america is probably the best country to be rich in. And the worst (in the west) to be poor in.
Money first!
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Hull Hound
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quote:
Originally posted by The Coot:
I'm sick to death of threads slagging off America and isn't it time they all got moved to dead horses?
You're only sensitive to what you don't want to hear.
America is a largely untapped source of comment on the Ship. people actually like talking about it because it is relevant. It has religious themes all through its history and culture and it has real power. The subject is no Dead Horse.
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Callan
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One thread on the subject is mildly diverting as it provides the spectacle of Erin, ably assisted by Scot and Duchess bashing various whining Trots.
Three is overkill.
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mousethief
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There were posts about the religious history of the American nation? I must have missed those. All I have seen is slagging/whinging and defensive counter-attacks.
Can you point out exactly which posts you are looking at, HH?
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John Donne
Renaissance Man
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Why don't we, you know, discuss American inerrantist homos?
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mousethief
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quote:
Originally posted by The Coot:
Why don't we, you know, discuss American inerrantist homos?
Really don't mind if you sit this one out. --Ian Anderson
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duchess
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quote:
Originally posted by Professor Yaffle:
One thread on the subject is mildly diverting as it provides the spectacle of Erin, ably assisted by Scot and Duchess bashing various whining Trots.
Three is overkill.
3 is overkill? You are smoking crack.
There are more than 3. We are just the ones who have the most spirit at the moment. The spirit of 76 (echo-echo-echo) ![[Sunny]](graemlins/flowerface.gif)
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duchess
Ship's Blue Blooded Lady
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quote:
Originally posted by The Coot:
Why don't we, you know, discuss American inerrantist homos?
You are homophobic?
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mousethief
Ship's Thieving Rodent
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quote:
Originally posted by duchess:
You are homophobic?
Are you homophilic?
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duchess
Ship's Blue Blooded Lady
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Ok, I'm lost. I admit it.
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mousethief
Ship's Thieving Rodent
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Darn. Spirit of 76 thread got shut down. Let's recreate it here.
In these parts, "The Spirit of 76" refers to Unocal Gasoline.
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RuthW
liberal "peace first" hankie squeezer
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As has been noted, we already have two threads going on America and Americans - if this one doesn't develop some very unique characteristics fairly soon, it will be closed.
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duchess
Ship's Blue Blooded Lady
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MT, I actually watched the movie "Spirit of 76" with David Cassidy & Leif Garrett the other day, so the phrase stuck in my mind (funny movie btw).
Well, I got to say my peace before it was closed. I will just repeat myself whenever the next attack comes along.
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mousethief
Ship's Thieving Rodent
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Some eunuch characteristics? Like no balls, you mean?
All right, guys, let's see some real COWARDICE out there! ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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Lifeman
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SO We don't have any Elvis in us Duchess?
You bet you ass we don't.
Elvis was a serial womaniser who dumped a woman once she'd got pregnant, he did'nt write his own music and effectively killed himself eating too many burgers (cf. my earlier thread about fat Americans).
What we do have is the spirit of Lennon and McCartney, Elton John, Pink Floyd, the Rolling Stones, e
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mousethief
Ship's Thieving Rodent
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Lennon and McCartney WORSHIPPED Elvis. And fathered a few out-of-wedlocks themselves. Learn your history before you accost us with this nonsense.
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Lifeman
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SO We don't have any Elvis in us Duchess?
You bet you ass we don't.
Elvis was a serial womaniser who would dump a woman once she'd got pregnant, he did'nt write his own music and effectively killed himself eating too many burgers (cf. my earlier thread about fat Americans).
What we do have is the spirit of Lennon and McCartney, Elton John, Pink Floyd, the Rolling Stones, the Who, Led Zeppelin, Yes, Ozzie Osborne, Rod Stewart. What an excellent nationwe are when it comes to music!!!!!!!! ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
Oh, and of course the Sex pistols.
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mousethief
Ship's Thieving Rodent
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quote:
Originally posted by Lifeman:
Oh, and of course the Sex pistols.
Now THERE is something to be proud of.
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Ultraspike
Incensemeister
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Oooooh, Ozzie, my hero. ![[Projectile]](graemlins/puke2.gif)
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Lifeman
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he's not best known for his music but don't forget that most excellent of Englishmen, B
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Irvin D Yalom
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quote:
Originally posted by Professor Yaffle:
the spectacle of Erin, ably assisted by Scot and Duchess bashing various whining Trots.
Sounds like you feel the need to objectify and in a sense demonise those with whom you disagree, for some reason.
"Everything in the garden's lovely," said Eve to Adam. "Fancy an apple?"
Irv.
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Lifeman
Troll
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that's 'B' as in Benny Hill.
And of course Bernard Manning. To those of you in America who hav'nt heard of him, he's a sort of English Bob Hope only a bit younger and slightly ruder.
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mousethief
Ship's Thieving Rodent
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quote:
Originally posted by Lifeman:
What an excellent nation we are when it comes to music!!!!!!!!
Or rather, WERE. Not much lately, hmmm?
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Lifeman
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Well, I've got to admit Mousethief that there has'nt been too much lately but I think that goes for America as well. Bands are like like Aerosmith, Guns N' Roses, Bon Jovi and Van Halen
are hardly new (although it's only three years since I last saw Aerosmith, here in Manchester.
Buy hey, arn't bands like the Stones and the Who (sadly no longer with John Entwistle) currently touring the states?
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mousethief
Ship's Thieving Rodent
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If I remember correctly, it was just about a month ago that the billboard hot 100 was without a British band for the first time since 1964. That means about 100 American (or Canadian or Downunder or Euro) bands and 0 British ones.
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QLib
Bad Example
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quote:
Originally posted by David:
I love the USA.
It's Americans that I can't stand.
I take almost exactly the opposite view.
quote:
Originally posted by lifeman:
And of course Bernard Manning. To those of you in America who hav'nt heard of him, he's a sort of English Bob Hope only a bit younger and slightly ruder.
Also far, far less funny than Bob Hope - even at his ageing worst - and far, far more obnoxious than anything the USA has ever managed to produce and pass off as entertainment on an unsuspecting world.
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Callan
Shipmate
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Originally posted by Duchess:
quote:
3 is overkill? You are smoking crack.
There are more than 3. We are just the ones who have the most spirit at the moment. The spirit of 76 (echo-echo-echo)
Your Grace. I was alluding to the number of threads on the subject of the US, not the number of defenders of your country. Trust me I never touch the stuff.
Originally posted by Irvin D. Yalom
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Sounds like you feel the need to objectify and in a sense demonise those with whom you disagree, for some reason.
Sorry Sigmund, believe it or not I spend most of my time trying to be nuanced and reasonable. But this is Hell. So indulge me in my occasional Daily Mail moments.
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Scot
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Originally posted by Qlib:
far, far more obnoxious than anything the USA has ever managed to produce and pass off as entertainment on an unsuspecting world.
If only this was true. I believe we are responsible for the newly ubiquitous Carrot Top. Canada, however, will have to collectively stand before God and answer for Tom Green.
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Irvin D Yalom
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Originally posted by Professor Yaffle:
But this is Hell. So indulge me in my occasional Daily Mail moments.
It's a deal. I get them myself, Lord knows... scratch a Guardian-reading social worker and, well, s/he'll ask you to do it again if you're sufficiently sexually attractive.
Makes you think though, eh? Eh? Eh? Eh? Eh? etc..
Irv.
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Wood
The Milkman of Human Kindness
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You are, of course, all aware that David started this thread in order to begin a fight?
Well, you just played into his hands.
The lot of you.
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mousethief
Ship's Thieving Rodent
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On the contrary, Wood, most of the posts have been about anything BUT the topic of the OP. We've successfully hijacked his thread and HE has played into OUR hands. Bwahahahaha.
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Callan
Shipmate
# 525
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Originally posted by Wood:
quote:
You are, of course, all aware that David started this thread in order to begin a fight?
Someone attempted to start a fight by opening a thread in Hell? Well, spank my ass and call me Charlie, I'd never have guessed that.
I feel...used.
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Moo
Ship's tough old bird
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quote:
Originally posted by The Coot:
Erm. I think you'll find that some parts of America were British penal colonies... and after the War of Independence that's why they were sent to us.
I don't think so.
The only colony I know of which took people from English prisons was Georgia. The original settlers there were from debtor's prisons.
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mousethief
Ship's Thieving Rodent
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And the moon rose over an open field. --Paul Simon
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David
Complete Bastard
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I've had a rethink on this, and decided that it doesn't quite work.
Let's try it the other way around and see if it's any better.
[Ahem]
I love Americans.
I love how Americans lead the world in technology. I love how Americans live in a free, open society, and are more concerned with the rights of individuals than collectivist dogma.
I love how Americans are generous to a fault. I love how Americans can be entertained by stuff that bears no relationship to any sort of objective reality, but don't care. I love how Americans want the rest of the world to be like them, because they believe that it's better, even though this leads to charges of egotism and self-interest.
I mean this in all sincerity. I love Americans.
It's the USA that I can't stand.
[ 09 July 2002, 23:28: Message edited by: David ]
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mousethief
Ship's Thieving Rodent
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Did somebody say something?
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Twilight
Puddleglum's sister
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A Simpson's Episode
It's the end of WWI and America decides to give a gift of one billion dollars to Great Britain, France and Germany.
Figuring that "since he's our richest citizen he must be our most trustworthy" Mr. Burns is charged with delivering the money to the representatives of the three countries. Naturally he steals it.
When the money doesn't show up they decide not to make a fuss but to "act snotty to Americans forever and ever."
That episode explained a lot for me. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Sarkycow
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Trip-trap, trip-trap went the billygoats over the bridge. And from under the bridge came a voice...
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Stoo
Mighty Pirate
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quote:
Originally posted by Twilight:
When the money doesn't show up they decide not to make a fuss but to "act snotty to Americans forever and ever."
The word is "snooty".
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Twilight
Puddleglum's sister
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Well, I was just quoting the TV show and I'm pretty sure they said "snotty". They are too different words you know. Snooty implies a snob factor, while snotty is just sort of snide, kind of like that "under the bridge" remark.
I'm a big Simpsons fan and I just meant to introduce a note of levity. Sorry if the xenophobes of the board took offence at the bald faced nerve of a relatively new person just jumping in and saying something.
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Willyburger
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Americans want the rest of the world to be like them, because they believe that it's better....
We only believe it because it's true.
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