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The Ship's Chaplain
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I'm underpaid, overworked, my job is stressful, my hours are too long, my office isn't big enough, my employers are always looking to make cuts and there's always the threat that my employment at my current place of work is a luxury that they can't afford.
The only thing that keeps me going into work every day is that I love every minute of my job and I feel a very strong sense that it is my vocation to be where am I presently working, at this particular time (and so do my superiors who ultimately have control over where I work!).
If I ever were to strike, I would not only be disobeying my superiors, I would be failing to serve the people that I serve in my ministry, depriving the people that I serve from having access to a religious minister.
Today, London was ground to a halt because the well paid people who work on the underground are going to be subject to a few cuts. I don't want to get into those cuts themselves, I'm not interested in that. But the people who have been the most affected have been the innocent members of the public who commute around London in order to make a living. It's absolutely disgusting that I received a phone call from somebody who works for a retail outlet in central London, who was late for work and was told that her wages would be docked for the first hour of work because that was the company policy. It was entirely because of the Tube strike.
I can remember working in retail when I was a young man, the same rules applied.
The rules should be changed: If you provide a service to others, you should not be allowed to strike. It doesn't only hurt the company that you work for, it hurts the innocent and this is an injustice. It would be perfectly acceptable if those who strike would personally pay compensation to each individual who is affected, but they do not. Instead we are supposed to feel sorry for them because a few of them might lose their jobs.
I'm not happy. Far too many people are hurt by strike action! ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
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pjkirk
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Originally posted by The Ship's Chaplain:
The rules should be changed: If you provide a service to others, you should not be allowed to strike.
Everybody provides a service to others, pretty much.
You just, through one hoped-for decree, removed a significant portion of the labor pool's power to improve things for themselves. There's a reason that labor unions and the like arose - fragmented labor means people powerless to bargain effectively with their employers. Fuck that noise and fuck you for thinking it.
Strikes may be uncalled for, and this strike may be uncalled for as well. If the service is needed enough, the government can break the strike. It is precisely the collective pain that is caused that makes it effective though.
I would think that Christians should support this sort of thing (when called for anyways).
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Loquacious beachcomber
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Wait a few years, and you will be able to retire.
Then, glory in the joy that there is work to be done, and you have no intention of doing any of it.
You may not get to carry a picket sign, but you can sit on a bench at the bus stop, and watch others go off to work.
You can even have beans for dinner the night before, and sit there being socially unacceptable.
So you see, there is light at the end of the tunnel, even when the train is late.
You just have to be patient, because the government is going to raise the age of retirement several times before you get there.
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As someone currently involved in trying to get my staff to sign up for union membership -- and they not only provide a service, they provide it to vulnerable people -- I have to agree with pjkirk.
My staff work in difficult (sometimes hazardous) conditions with difficult (sometimes dangerous) people and get crap pay and crap benefits and little say over what happens to them as workers.
Without the power to strike, they will likely go on as they have been.
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The Ship's Chaplain
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pjkirk: There is no need to drop the 'F-bomb' on this thread. This thread will be a no-swearing thread if that's ok please. Thank you.
Silver Faux: There must be better ways of making your voice heard within the work place than blackmailing your company into submission by hurting innocent people.
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Nicolemr
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Fuck you, Ship's Chaplain. The only thing that's giving me any hope in my life right now is my union, so just fuck you.
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The Ship's Chaplain
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I love the way that nobody is willing to take the suggestion that the current system of striking is immoral and to have a proper discussion seriously and would rather resort to dropping profanities.
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Angel Wrestler
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Originally posted by The Ship's Chaplain:
pjkirk: There is no need to drop the 'F-bomb' on this thread. This thread will be a no-swearing thread if that's ok please. Thank you.
um ... you picked the wrong venue for your rant if you didn't want people to swear.
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The Ship's Chaplain
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As the host of this discussion I should be able to set the rules on profanities surely?
I thought Hell was where you posted if you were angry about something.
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Originally posted by The Ship's Chaplain:
If I ever were to strike, I would not only be disobeying my superiors, I would be failing to serve the people that I serve in my ministry, depriving the people that I serve from having access to a religious minister.
Me too. Besides, if we ever were to strike, we would run the risk that our people would realize they could get along quite well without us, thank you very much.
(Also: though I almost never use the "F-bomb", I don't see how a Hell conversation should be expected to be without it.)
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Viola
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Originally posted by The Ship's Chaplain:
As the host of this discussion I should be able to set the rules on profanities surely?
Nope.
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Originally posted by Nicolemrw:
Fuck you, Ship's Chaplain. The only thing that's giving me any hope in my life right now is my union, so just fuck you.
Whatever one's views on Unions (and I take a pretty dim view of them, myself) an awful lot of people in Britain detest Bob Crow who is behind the Tube strikes.
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The Weeder
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Originally posted by Nicolemrw:
Fuck you, Ship's Chaplain. The only thing that's giving me any hope in my life right now is my union, so just fuck you.
Nocolemrv, you got in before me. I have never, to the best of my recall, used an obscenity on this site. Neither have I jumped on a Newbie.
But, Ships Chaplain- learn the facts of life before posting balls. Strike action is never taken lightly. It is an act of desperation, when all else has failed, when the employer has refused to negotiate or to listen to reason.
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Jon in the Nati
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I love the way that nobody is willing to take the suggestion that the current system of striking is immoral and to have a proper discussion seriously [...]
Okay. Lets talk. I tend to agree with pjkirk.
You have pointed out what you think is wrong with the system. So propose a solution. If striking is not allowed, or alternatively is made so harmful to the striking parties that it is effectively not an option, what realistic, practical framework for labor relations would you suggest be adopted?
And BTW, no you cannot set the rules for profanity. You posted in Hell regarding a subject on which people have very strong feelings both ways. You are going to get cursed at.
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Nicolemr
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I couldn't care less about the issues behind this particular strike; I just am not in the mood for stupid anti-union rhetoric right now, when the only thing that's giving me any hope of protection against a nasty and vicious situation I'm in, that could easily cost me my job after 23 years, is my union.
I also know that the reason my union is as weak as it is, though it's still better than none at all, is because due to a particular reading of the law, we don't have the right to strike. And it SUCKS.
And ship's chaplain? The only "hosts" here are the hell-hosts. And you ain't one of them.
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pjkirk
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Originally posted by The Ship's Chaplain:
I love the way that nobody is willing to take the suggestion that the current system of striking is immoral and to have a proper discussion seriously and would rather resort to dropping profanities.
If you're interested more in discussion than ranting, open a thread in purgatory and ask for this one to be locked.
But if it's an angry thread in Hell that you want, you've got one.
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Workers have the right to withdraw their labour. End of. It is pretty much the only effective sanction they have against an unjust employer.
You can argue whether or not the employer in this case is treating its employees unjustly. You can argue that mechanisms such as arbitration, workplace councils, and statutory pay and conditions bodies should be applied across the board, thereby negating the need to strike. But not their right to strike. It was won with people's blood.
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Loquacious beachcomber
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Originally posted by The Ship's Chaplain:
pjkirk: There is no need to drop the 'F-bomb' on this thread. This thread will be a no-swearing thread if that's ok please. Thank you.
Silver Faux: There must be better ways of making your voice heard within the work place than blackmailing your company into submission by hurting innocent people.
What the fuck did my comments on retirement have to do with making my voice heard, let alone blackmailing a company into submission by hurting innocent people, you snotty cunting pissant?
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The Ship's Chaplain
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Please. There is no need to swear. I apologise if I have upset you but there is no need to swear.
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Ship's Chaplain: quote:
As the host of this discussion I should be able to set the rules on profanities surely?
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The Ship's Chaplain
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Originally posted by Nicolemrw:
I couldn't care less about the issues behind this particular strike; I just am not in the mood for stupid anti-union rhetoric right now, when the only thing that's giving me any hope of protection against a nasty and vicious situation I'm in, that could easily cost me my job after 23 years, is my union.
I also know that the reason my union is as weak as it is, though it's still better than none at all, is because due to a particular reading of the law, we don't have the right to strike. And it SUCKS.
And ship's chaplain? The only "hosts" here are the hell-hosts. And you ain't one of them.
O.K. I understand that unions can be good. I don't have a problem with unions. It's the effective ransom of the public services sector I don't like. Why should innocent commuters have to suffer because of a few job losses in a couple of train stations? It's not as if we really need to have people in ticket offices anyway, we have oyster cards and ticket machines!
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Ship's Chaplain, read the board guidelines and the board description. You are not a host. You do not get to control the thread. You do not get to control whether people swear or not.
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Nicolemr
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Why should innocent commuters have to suffer because of a few job losses in a couple of train stations? It's not as if we really need to have people in ticket offices anyway, we have oyster cards and ticket machines!
As someone who's in danger of losing my job right now, Ship's Chaplain... FUCK YOU!
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Jon in the Nati
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I don't have a problem with unions. It's the effective ransom of the public services sector I don't like.
Its called leverage, dude. Its how labor relations work.
Like I said above, propose a solution. But if you do, you might want to do it in Purgatory, or else this will just keep escalating.
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Originally posted by The Ship's Chaplain:
I love the way that nobody is willing to take the suggestion that the current system of striking is immoral and to have a proper discussion seriously and would rather resort to dropping profanities.
OK, how about suggesting that the current system of public expenditure cuts leading to redundancies and wage cuts in th public and private sectors is immoral? They are only proposed to protect 'the economy' but I have this quaint idea that the economy is here to benefit man, not the other way round.
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The Weeder
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Originally posted by The Ship's Chaplain:
[QUOTE]IQUOTE]O.K. I understand that unions can be good. I don't have a problem with unions. It's the effective ransom of the public services sector I don't like. Why should innocent commuters have to suffer because of a few job losses in a couple of train stations? It's not as if we really need to have people in ticket offices anyway, we have oyster cards and ticket machines!
I get it. This is a bizarre attempt at humour, right? Becausae you can not really believe this nonsense. Not if you walk upright and claim to be a sentient being.
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Doc Tor
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What I suggest is that the innocent commuters who use the London Underground should fund it completely out of their fares. While we're there, we can milk them for the £16bn for CrossRail.
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The Kat in the Hat
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This thread started because it seems that striking tube (or transport) causes other people suffer and that is not fair. Surely you should be encouraging your friend (?) to question their employees right to dock wages due to circumstances beyond their control. This may be where a union can help?
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
What I suggest is that the innocent commuters who use the London Underground should fund it completely out of their fares. While we're there, we can milk them for the £16bn for CrossRail.
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Originally posted by pjkirk:
Everybody provides a service to others, pretty much.
Yes. Surely the OP has created a false dichotomy. I'd very much like to be given ANY example of a job that is not designed to be of some service to others. If you do something purely for your own amusement, it's called a 'hobby' and you don't get paid for it.
Of course, what the OP means is "if you provide a service that I care about and it inconveniences me when you stop providing it".
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Viola
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Originally posted by The Kat in the Hat:
This thread started because it seems that striking tube (or transport) causes other people suffer and that is not fair. Surely you should be encouraging your friend (?) to question their employees right to dock wages due to circumstances beyond their control. This may be where a union can help?
As a self employed musician, as well as a proud union member, I've always found it totally baffling how some people get paid for hours when they're not actually working. Whoever's fault it is. But then, if you're an hour late for a playing job, not only do you lose your fee, you never get booked again by that fixer.
Of course strikes are inconvenient. That's the point. It's like when you're a teenager and your mum gets fed up with being taken for granted. Suddenly you realise just how useful she is when she does your washing, cooks your dinner and gives you a lift when it's raining.
Last time I lived in the capital, they gave notice of the days tube strikes were going to happen, so you can always make other plans to get to work on time, & maybe appreciate the TfL employees a bit more when they come back.
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Why should innocent commuters have to suffer because of a few job losses in a couple of train stations? It's not as if we really need to have people in ticket offices anyway, we have oyster cards and ticket machines!
I assume that you're being deliberately inflammatory, and that you're not actually that pig ignorant?
It's interesting (in a depressing way) just how thorough and effective Thatcher's demonising of the proles using the only leverage they've got has been. I was inconvenienced by the tube strike today, but such is life. I'm also inconvenienced by corporations constant paring back on quality and service in the push to drive costs down and profits up while performing a total snow-job on the public.
Argue against strikes in the abstract on the grounds that they're unlikely to be very effective in this day and age, sure. Argue against (or for) the LU strike in particular on the merits of the case. But arguing that they're "unjust" because they cause an inconvenience (well, d'uh, that would rather be the point), and because third parties elect to enact their own 'injustice' as a side-effect is just spurious guff.
So far it comes across that you're just put out because the rest of the world has it so much better than you, and any that might not (they won't be so "well-paid" when they lose their jobs, after all), are clearly just human waste not worthy of any consideration, empathy, understanding or fellow-feeling. Or will your ministerial services swing into overdrive once they're in the crap and on the dole?
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You know, it occurs to me that this . . .
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Originally posted by The Ship's Chaplain:
I'm underpaid, overworked, my job is stressful, my hours are too long, my office isn't big enough, my employers are always looking to make cuts and there's always the threat that my employment at my current place of work is a luxury that they can't afford.
The only thing that keeps me going into work every day is that I love every minute of my job and I feel a very strong sense that it is my vocation to be where am I presently working, at this particular time (and so do my superiors who ultimately have control over where I work!).
. . . might well be how the workers you're so teed off about feel.
Oh, but no -- how could they? They're not ministers, they're just navvies. How could somebody driving a train or operating track switches and signals or selling tickets or tokens or whatever they use on the Underground feel any sense of mission or take any pride or even, gasp, actually love their job?
News flash: loving your job to pieces is JUST what gets workers exploited by employers more often than not. The fact that you're willing to be overworked and underpaid, etc. doesn't mean everybody else should follow suit.
Get a backbone instead and stick up for yourself in your own situation.
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Originally posted by The Weeder:
Originally posted by The Ship's Chaplain:
quote:
IQUOTE]O.K. I understand that unions can be good. I don't have a problem with unions. It's the effective ransom of the public services sector I don't like. Why should innocent commuters have to suffer because of a few job losses in a couple of train stations? It's not as if we really need to have people in ticket offices anyway, we have oyster cards and ticket machines!
I get it. This is a bizarre attempt at humour, right? Becausae you can not really believe this nonsense. Not if you walk upright and claim to be a sentient being. [/qb]
He's not a sentient being, he's a fucking moron.
I'm pro-union, and I vote! Ha ha, take that, fuckwit. You are jealous of my union benefits and my union salary! Yes, I could make a shitload more money if I went into the public sector, but I'd be paying a minor shitload for healthcare out of that shitload salary and have to work 80-90 hours a week with no overtime. And they wouldn't be paying for me to increase my job skills like my current, union-represented job is doing.
Fuck. That. Shit.
Waaah, waaah. Your trip around town was made more difficult today. Suck it up, whinerbaby. You're the kind of person who makes other preachers and chaplains look bad; you come off as the kind who actually does only work one hour a week of a Sunday morning.
If you're so interested in making seminarians 'understand common people' better, go fucking do a union job for a while, you useless waste of air.
*writes "Mary Sue + Union = BFF" all over her PeeChee folder*
*Then says fuck shit damn hell cocksucker tits pussy. Because she can.*
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Aaaand I fucked up my code. Damnit. A thousand apologies, Hellhosts, I'd throw myself upon your mercies but y'all don't got none.
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Don't let em get you down TSC.
Darn it. You made a wonderful attempt at a Heck thread.
Just as a question though. Were you aware of the 17 preacher per square inch posting population around here before you chose your name?
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Once upon a time, there was an active poster named The Atheist.
The Atheist.
He used an avatar representing Jesus.
His schtick was that he swore non-stop, and especially, he used the word "cunt" a lot.
Time passed. Time always does.
Along comes an active poster named The Ship's Chaplain.
The Ship's Chaplain.
He uses the same avatar representing Jesus.
His schtick is that he objects to swearing.
Isn't it cool how, over time, history repeats itself, yet with very different active posters?
If you wait long enough, you see some fascinating things here.
Or you think you do.
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My, you are a suspicious soul SF.
I have been reformed by GK, jacobsen and girder. I will not attack any more, no siree bob.
Gonna lay down my sword and shield
Down by the riverside
Down by the riverside
Down by the riverside
Gonna lay down my sword and shield
Down by the riverside
Ain't gonna study war no more.
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Loquacious beachcomber
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Gonna go lay my reusable grocery bag down;
Don't buy the liverwurst,
Don't buy the liverwurst,
Don't buy the liverwurst.
Gonna go lay my reusable grocery bag down;
Don't buy the liverwurst,
Don't buy the liverwurst,
It tastes like bloody shite.
Gonna go lay my reusable grocery bag down;
Don't buy the...
Oh, forget it.
Tortuf is better at poetry than I am.
At least his efforts scan.
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Lamb Chopped
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There must be better ways of making your voice heard within the work place than blackmailing your company into submission by hurting innocent people.
All right, sock 'em to me. What are they?
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Uh huh. Thought so.
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Er, this is what I've been up to (book).
Oh, that you would rend the heavens and come down!
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
Ship's Chaplain: quote:
As the host of this discussion I should be able to set the rules on profanities surely?
Dammit, you got there before me.
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Gurdur
Shipmate
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Originally posted by The Ship's Chaplain:
I'm underpaid, overworked, my job is stressful, my hours are too long, ...
Goodness. So too are are many workers in that position.
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... The rules should be changed: If you provide a service to others, you should not be allowed to strike.
Why not bring back serfdom while you're at it?
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Instead we are supposed to feel sorry for them because a few of them might lose their jobs.
I find it interesting you are in effect demanding others feel sorry for you.
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I'm not happy. Far too many people are hurt by strike action!
*shrug* I was once a shopfloor steward and a strike organizer. Causing unhappiness is exactly what a strike has to do, otherwise it's ineffective and easily ignored.
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mousethief
Ship's Thieving Rodent
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Originally posted by Spiffy:
*writes "Mary Sue + Union = BFF" all over her PeeChee folder*
*Then says fuck shit damn hell cocksucker tits pussy. Because she can.*
I love you, Spiffy.
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Uncle Pete
Loyaute me lie
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When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run
There will be no greater power anywhere beneath the sun...
PeteC continues, humming softly to himself, not wishing to fall afoul of copyright somewhere
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Originally posted by The Shit Chaplain
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I don't want to get into those cuts themselves, I'm not interested in that.
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Are your reasons to do what you do better than the reasons of the strikers, or more important? You sound a bit up yourself, fucking dickhead.
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I see a wild civility
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Part of the problem us Londoners have though is that the tube seems to be on strike regularly and when they do strike they fail to communicate to the world why they are striking.
If the public is unaware of why you are going on strike then you are going to create anger, especially with Bob Crow's inflammatory remarks to the media which usually seem to imply that the only reason they are going on strike is for political advantage generally rather than for better pay and conditions specifically.
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Porridge
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Originally posted by The Ship's Chaplain:
The rules should be changed: If you provide a service to others, you should not be allowed to strike. It doesn't only hurt the company that you work for, it hurts the innocent and this is an injustice.
So I take it, then, that strikers are, by definition, "guilty."
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Originally posted by The Ship's Chaplain:
It would be perfectly acceptable if those who strike would personally pay compensation to each individual who is affected, but they do not. Instead we are supposed to feel sorry for them because a few of them might lose their jobs.
You know, this makes me wonder about the nature of your ministry. To whom do you minister, precisely, and how?
I suspect I would not enjoy being in your pastoral care if I were unemployed. "Oh, you poor sod, you've lost your job and will starve and get evicted, but even though I work frightfully long hours in crap conditions for low pay, I'll just see if I can't work in the odd prayer for you while I'm in the bog."
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Moon: Including what?
Spiggott: That everything I've ever told you is a lie.
Moon: That's not true!
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Marvin the Martian
Interplanetary
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Originally posted by Gurdur:
Causing unhappiness is exactly what a strike has to do, otherwise it's ineffective and easily ignored.
"Fuck everybody else, we're going to get the most we can for ourselves".
With, in the public sector, the delightful addition of "...and make them pay for it".
And you want me to support this?
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Matt Black
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Ah, a Hell thread where the OPer pronounces in favour of the Taff Vale judgement. Sorry, padre, but that particular issue was sorted out contra tuam 104 years ago.
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Doc Tor
Deepest Red
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
quote:
Originally posted by Gurdur:
Causing unhappiness is exactly what a strike has to do, otherwise it's ineffective and easily ignored.
"Fuck everybody else, we're going to get the most we can for ourselves".
With, in the public sector, the delightful addition of "...and make them pay for it".
And you want me to support this?
I appreciate that there'd never be any situations where you and your colleagues would down tools, even if (as is alleged by the rail unions) job losses and changes in working practices meant that for all intents and purposes, the consumers of your product were no longer safe.
Some of us would disagree.
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