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That's how SteveTom signed off his OP on the Suppressed Gospels thread.

To be honest, what with the combination of lots of hoopla in the press about the book and the fact that it stayed available only in expensive hardcover up until a couple of days ago, at least here in the US, I never intended to read it either.

In the interim, I did buy a cheap paperback copy of Dan Brown's earlier bookAngels & Demons, which the bookstore clerk assured me was pretty much the same plot outline and perhaps a better read. It definitely fell into the beach book/long airplane trip category, and not an especially wonderful specimen, either. So I had no intention of reading Da Vinci Code.

As it happened, however, a Shipmate offered to pass along his paperback copy, so I did read it.

My verdict:
  • definitely not worth buying
  • probably not worth reading
  • might be useful for beach or other reading where you intend to doze off a lot and don't care about actually remembering anything about the book
  • unless, of course, you want to have some sort of credibility in discussing the brouhaha associated with the court case
  • in which case, you probably need to put that time and effort into getting a life

YMMV, so let us know whether you read the book, and why or why not, and what you thought of it if you did read it.

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John Donne

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Haven't read it.

Life is too short to voluntarily read bollocks. There is too much important stuff that I need to read that I'm unable to, that I don't want to spend what little time I have available reading fiction.

Especially fiction critical of my faith tradition, and not critical in a constructive way.

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I read it only because I'd bought it and figured that if I didn't keep reading (after the first awful ten pages), I'd be wasting my money.

It's woeful. It's certainly not worth paying money for.

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I thought it was fun, & he did a very good job of making it suspenseful. It's extremely easy to be a critic but to write & pace that way- I for sure cannot end every chapter on a cliffhanger.
I think you are all judging it like a theological work, you've bought into it, & don't see it for what it is; a fun adventure, like Shangri-La by J. Hilton
which I adore as well:)
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I never intended to read it. I probably still wouldn't have, if there hadn't been so much discussion about it. It had been out for months before I got round to ordering a copy from the library. Once I'd read it, I was glad I hadn't wasted the money buying it.

I've said it before but it really did seem just as if the author had gone into his local New Age bookshop and scooped up a handful of bargain basement books, and mixed them all up in a kind of stew of ideas. I found myself thinking, "Is he going to mention - oh, he just did, how about - yes, and what about - thought so, all we need now is X, Y and Z and we've got the set." It just lacked originality. It was a mixture of a lot of ideas that mostly had had their day and fallen by the wayside.

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I read it after it first came out and as I recall enjoyed it. But then I like cheap novels. I did think Forever Amber was better researched and far more historically accurate than The Da Vinci Code though.

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quote:
Originally posted by the Pookah:
I think you are all judging it like a theological work, you've bought into it, & don't see it for what it is; a fun adventure, like Shangri-La by J. Hilton

Where has anyone so far indicated that they have judged it as a theological work? Seems to me the consensus is that everyone read it as some form of Literature Light ("beach book", "trashy novel", etc.) and are merely giving thumbs up or down on that basis.
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Never read it, never will. It's not a genre I'm terribly interested in, and I have tons of other things I have yet to get to. Hope this doesn't make me a philistine or something.

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I won't waste my time reading DVC, it would be like watching Paris Hilton movies. But if this actually penetrates popular culture, rather than just being a typical temporary brain failure of modernity, then I may have to buy and read one of the books refuting DVC - for apologetic purposes. The really amazing thing is that anybody gives a damn. Slagging the church, in particular the RCC, still can bring huge monetary rewards. That makes me wonder how "secular" our societies really are. If people are just post-Christian religious apathetics, why do they even care about any of this?

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I was seriously annoyed at the "no paperback", which seemed a blatant money-grab, so I resolved to not spend money on it. I finally read it a year or so ago when it was on the shelf at my local library (the excitement had died down enough that I didn't need to spend $.50 to reserve it).

My take on it is pretty similar to Sine's, actually. It did keep me turning the pages, but I'm easily amused, and wasn't treating it as more than fiction. I'm glad I didn't spend any money on it.

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Several friends said it was a "must read" so I did (I'm happy to say one of those friends lent it to me, so I didn't waste my money or add to Dan Brown's bank account). I thought it was poorly written and poorly researched. I didn't like the main characters, so I wasn't in suspense about what would happen to them; I just didn't care. Unfortunately, a lot of people seem to be taking it too seriously -- it's just fiction, and pretty bad fiction at that. There are so many better books, which I wish wuld get the attention that DVC has.

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I read HBHG a long, long time ago, and was sorry I'd wasted the time.

I don't intend to read DVC. There are so many wonderful books I'm trying to get around to reading. DVC isn't one of them.

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I'm actually planning to start it this weekend. I like to be in on the hoopla, and I prefer making my own judgments. I have anticipated reading it for entertainment, like a Harry Potter story or a book by John Grisham -- no more, no less. I'm not enough of a book snob to think everything I read has to be "literary".

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Never read it.

I don't go for pop fiction in general.

It's just not my type of book.

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I did buy a copy and read it, for two simple reasons.

1) It was £3.73 at Tescos
2) I'd been asked enough times if I read it that I figured it would probably help with some useful opportunities to speak about my faith.

What Dan Brown does a lot is tell small, easily verifiable truths that not everyone would have appreciated (e.g. the existence of the Nag Hammandi documents) and then hang big lies on them, which might actually take some effort to check up. But because the small truths checked out, some people then trust him on the big things too.

It's how Angels and Demons worked too (and, being a physicist with a fair knowledge of the history of science and religion, it was far easier to spot where the lies started).

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General opinion seems to be that DVC is worse-written and less believable than any of the Harry Potter books, which puts it well down my reading list.

Life's too short to read bad books, which is why I've just skimmed through the last 200 pages of Lolita - so, so dull. [Snore]

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quote:
Originally posted by Chapelhead:
Life's too short to read bad books,

Be careful; you may get called a "book snob".

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"Harry Potter and the Da Vinci Code", now there's a thought...
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I haven't read it at this point, but I remember a number of my Piskie buds got rather gleeful about the prominent position Mary Magdalene got and the rather naughty notion that Jesus might have been (whisper) married. [Two face]

I've read a few conspiracy essays on the Church of the Magdalene. Soooo 1990s/X-Files, daaarrrlling.

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I haven't read it - yet - but the Archdeacon mentioned it in his sermon a couple of weeks ago. He said he'd read about half of it, thought it was bunkum and put it away.......but it did raise some interesting thoughts about the humanity of Jesus. What difference (he asked) might it make to our faith if Our Lord had been married to Mary Magdalene?

So, when I trot off to the public library today, I'm going to see if I can find the book.......from what others have said, it doesn't seem to be worth spending money on...

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quote:
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What difference (he asked) might it make to our faith if Our Lord had been married to Mary Magdalene?

Well it would mean the Ascension was abandonment. Imagine, Jesus Christ, patron saint of deadbeat dads everywhere.

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I had no intention of reading it but a parishioner kept talking about it, then eventually lent me it, then kept asking me what I thought of it. It didn't take long to read it and I think the best thing about it was the suspense which made it an easy read. It's a kind of 'made-for-TV-or-film' book imo; rather cliched and two-dimensional. But for what it was I enjoyed it as a light read, while at the same time wondering what all the fuss was about.

I don't read enough fiction or non-work related stuff so it was quite a pleasant undemanding excursion into fairyland for a few hours! BTW, another parishioner, learning that I had read TDVC, then lent me two other Dan Brown books, for holiday reading, which in respect of technique, character development and plot-style were identical. He obviously knows what works for him.

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Like Anselmina I don't read enough fiction, but I secretly adore trashy thrillers with cliffhangers at the end of every chapter, so when I got my hands on (someone else's) copy I lapped it up. It's hilarious as well as quite exciting - how can anyone resist a giant albino monk? I gave up counting the author's howlers and misunderstandings early on (though there's a wonderful gallop through early church history, Dan Brown-style, somewhere round the middle which made me laugh out loud) and just sat back and enjoyed the ride. It's dire, but it's fun if you have the time to read it.
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ah what the hell.

I LIKED the Da Vinci Code.

the thesis is crap. so what? I actually say the writing was good. Better than Ian McKellen, whom I couldn't get through (he seem so infatuated with his power of description... blech [Projectile] ).

The DVC was interesting, and fast paced, and a kick. I like history-mysteries. I enjoyed all the silly coding, etc. For that reason I loved Angels and Demons too. I'm a sucker for a secret code.

I went back and read HBHG afterwards and lost interest in the conspiracy theories of it all. but I love a good fast paced book full of mystery and codes.

so sue me.

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I read HBHG ages ago, because my grandmother is a credulous old soul, and has the whole set of Templar/Jesus/Merovingian/Black Madonna hackwork. I remember thinking two things at the end:

1. If the Queen really were related to Jesus, as the family tree at the back shows, then you might think there were points in history where that would have been something of a trump card. But on all the geneaolgies drawn up shewing the monarch's descent from Adam, Our Lord would only be there as a sort of famous great-uncle. Why the bother, when you could go straight to the Big Man?

2. All of the aristocratic support they'd enlisted was completely spurious: 'Prince Michael of Albany', (bespectacled Belgian teacher) anyone? Now, I've got a lot of time for disposessed and mediatised nobles, but this lot didn't even reach the dodgy tat 'n' titles realm of the Lazarites.

The whole genre is completely bankrupt, and the extent to which people treat the DVC as, ahem, Gospel is frankly rather off-putting. There was something on BBC4, I think, a little while ago, which featured a 'hardy band' of DVC loyalists, who were introduced to a priest of Opus Dei, a Leonardo da Vinci expert and an architectural historian (at the Rosslyn chapel); they were all firm in their assertion that none of the 'facts' were true, or even in some cases possible, but still this group of numpties persisted in clinging to the 'truth' of the book.

All of the above doesn't make me want to read what is almost universally acknowledged to be a poorly-written potboiler. Can you tell that this subject makes me somewhat testy?

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My mum read it, and says it is one of the wrost books she has ever read (and she has read a lot, and I mean a lot, of trashy books).

I have recieved similar reports from a close friend, and another site I use voted it worst book ever.

Therefore, I won't read it either.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mousethief:
quote:
Originally posted by Chapelhead:
Life's too short to read bad books,

Be careful; you may get called a "book snob".
Yeah, like that would be the end of the world.

But then, I read trashy sci-fi novels by the bucketload.

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If you check out Brown's geographical facts, such as riding on the London Underground from Temple Bar to King's College, when Temple is the nearest Underground station to King's College, you see the accuracy of Brown's research.

Having said that, if you suspend belief and treat it as a thriller, it's not that bad. But Angels and Demons and Deception Point are better.

Having read other Brown books before TDC I was disappointed that it was not as good.

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I have read it, a friend lent it to me and I was fed up of all the "you're a Catholic, hee hee, it's all lies, Dan Brown says so in The Da Vinci Code, ha ha, you've been had," comments I was getting.

I have never read such a pile of steaming rubbish in all my life. I've read more challenging Mills & Boon romances. His research is shoddy, his plots are execrable, his characterisation is one-dimensional at best, and the ending was the biggest anti-climax I've ever read.

Interestingly, I was in Paris on business a couple of weeks ago and one of the evening entertainments was a "Da Vinci Code" tour of the Louvre. It was a fairly comprehensive debunking of the parts that took place in the museum, and if he can't even be bothered to get such easily-confirmed things right, why should we trust him on "The Church is built on lies"?

And there are no monks in Opus Dei.

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I haven't read it, and really really really don't want to. But as I get really wound up when people who haven't seen "Jerry Springer: The Opera" still see fit to comment on why it's so terrible, I think I will get round to reading it just so that I can pontificate from a position of knowledge rather than hearsay. I'm rather hoping that my reaction will be the same as when I read the "This Present Darkness" series by Frank Peretti (it was so spectacularly corny and badly written I nearly had a stroke laughing).

I'll make sure I cadge someone else's copy though. I just can't bring myself to pay for it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jack the Lass:
I'll make sure I cadge someone else's copy though. I just can't bring myself to pay for it.

You can have mine, unless I decided to throw it out.

It might take me a while to find it, mind. If I've still got it, it will be in one of the 25 knee-high stacks of books that adorn my bedroom floor.

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quote:
Originally posted by cometchaser:
ah what the hell.

I LIKED the Da Vinci Code.

the thesis is crap. so what? I actually say the writing was good. Better than Ian McKellen, whom I couldn't get through (he seem so infatuated with his power of description... blech [Projectile] ).

The DVC was interesting, and fast paced, and a kick. I like history-mysteries. I enjoyed all the silly coding, etc. For that reason I loved Angels and Demons too. I'm a sucker for a secret code.

I went back and read HBHG afterwards and lost interest in the conspiracy theories of it all. but I love a good fast paced book full of mystery and codes.

so sue me.

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quote:
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Originally posted by Bishops Finger:
What difference (he asked) might it make to our faith if Our Lord had been married to Mary Magdalene?

Well it would mean the Ascension was abandonment. Imagine, Jesus Christ, patron saint of deadbeat dads everywhere.
Depends whether 'til death do part' counts if you come back after three days.


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The thing that irritated me was all the church members who became confused after reading it, wanting to form discussion groups to sort it out, and wondering if it pointed out deep, dark, suppressed truths.

Happily, telling them that they were wrong to feel that way seemed to work just fine. Never did read it myself.

I'm sure the movie will be better anyway. [Angel]

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I haven’t read it either, and have no intention to read it, especially after seeing the first few lines quoted in a thread here (can’t remember which), which drove the grammar fascist in me up the wall.

I do remember HBHG, and the various programmes about Rennes-le-Chateau, and would urge any (UK) DVC fans to watch Tony Robinson’s excellent debunking of the whole sorry mess.

Here’s a thought: John 11:5 says ‘Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus.’ I am going to start a new conspiracy theory that the little household in Bethany was actually a [Eek!] ménage-a-quatre.

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Originally posted by Freddy:
I'm sure the movie will be better anyway. [Angel]

If it is, it will be the very first time the universe has ever, ever, ever witnessed a movie that was as good as the book, let alone better.

Movies are never better than the book. Fact.

99.999999999999% of the time, the movie is an insult to the book and ruins it completely.

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I am a shameless book snob. I do read 'trashy' fiction, but from a carefully selected group of authors, because I can't stand bad writing or characterisation. I have no intention whatsoever of reading TDVC, because several people I know who have and whose opinions on literature I respect (notably both my parents) have said pretty much what others on this thread have said - that Brown's writing is execrable, his plots ridiculous and his characters one-dimensional.

Also because once I've taken a stand I hate going back on it. I'm human.

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Originally posted by Papio.:
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Originally posted by Freddy:
I'm sure the movie will be better anyway. [Angel]

99.999999999999% of the time, the movie is an insult to the book and ruins it completely.
So true. This is what I mean. Or rather, this is what I am hoping for. Ruining a bad book can sometimes be an improvement.

And if you didn't read the book in the first place you come out smelling like a rose. [Two face]

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There are 20 copies of the Da Vinci code in the library where I work, and they are never on the shelves, so Mr Brown must be doing something right.
Having said that, as there are so many books and so little time in which to read them, I have no intention of reading it myself.
What annoys me is the number of authors that are jumping on this particular bandwagon, with 'The new Da Vinci Code' plastered on the front cover.
Even the latest Kathy Reichs seemed to be doing this, IMHO, to its detriment.

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I have two four-foot long shelves in my bedroom stacked with quality fiction and non-fiction (mostly theology) that I plan to read soon. Why would I want to waste my time reading this load of half-baked crapola?

You may say I should read it to find out if it's really crapola. Fortunately, I have critics and you good people here to tell me that. After all, I don't read porn or racist literature to find out if it's really pornographic or racist!

ETA: PS, as an impoverished writer myself, I would not be able to bring myself to put even more money into the fraudulent pocket of Dan Brown.

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quote:
Originally posted by Papio.:
If it is, it will be the very first time the universe has ever, ever, ever witnessed a movie that was as good as the book, let alone better.

Movies are never better than the book. Fact.

99.999999999999% of the time, the movie is an insult to the book and ruins it completely.

All the Inspector Morse episodes were better than the corresponding books. (Though whether they were movies is certainly debatable).

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Originally posted by rosamundi:
It might take me a while to find it, mind. If I've still got it, it will be in one of the 25 knee-high stacks of books that adorn my bedroom floor.

Only knee-high?

Knee-high stacks of books are too easy to trip over...

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Originally posted by Custard.:
Only knee-high?

Knee-high stacks of books are too easy to trip over...

They're all stacked against the walls.

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Originally posted by Mousethief:
Imagine, Jesus Christ, patron saint of deadbeat dads everywhere.

Depends whether 'til death do part' counts if you come back after three days.
Like that matters to a single mom trying to raise kids.

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I haven't read Da Vinci Code but enjoyed Von Daniken's "Chariots of the Gods". Does that count?

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I read the oringinal book The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail and don't have the time to read the same thing again.

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I read it, was mildly entertained, got most of the plot twists before the characters left the Louvre, and was horribly let down by the "climax".

But then again I love conspiracies, the knights templar, and mild mannered heros (Go Giles!). But I thought that Foucault's Pendulum is a much better book in that genre.

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Never read it; never will.

I put this is a even lower category that the Left Behind series: utter, utter, utter rubbish.

I'm told that reading it could provide me with evangelistic opportuniities. I don't care though: as far as I'm concerned anyone who's prepared to read this codswallop deserves to stay unsaved. [Two face]

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Preferred "Angels and Demons". When HBHG came out, I read that and did some digging around. Having discovered how unhistorical that was, I had little difficulty in reading TDVC as fiction. Trouble is, it really isn't very good fiction - or very well written. But it does have some narrative drive. I've had some quite good conversations about it, particularly since UK's Channel 4 exploded the nonsense behind the Priory of Sion.

What I guess those us of who are Christian have to face is that loads of folks who aren't Christian are much more comfortable with the notion of a married Jesus who had sex than with an unmarried Jesus who didn't. In this sexualised era, people who don't have sex "must have something wrong with them." Celibacy isn't seen as a sign of spirituality or holiness, but a sign of oddness. That's the hook of plausibility that sinks in, regardless of the unhistorical nonsense supporting it. If you get to talk about the book to folks, that's worth thinking about.

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I haven't read Da Vinci Code but enjoyed Von Daniken's "Chariots of the Gods". Does that count?

At least CotG had pictures.

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