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1. May I commend to your use the preview post feature and the UBB practice thread in the Styx? That was quite an impressive multiple posts/broken code mess-up for someone with more than 500 posts.

2. If you think that your post contains bile, it may well not be appropriate for Ecclesiantics. As a reminder, we strive to maintain an atmosphere of respect for the different traditions represented and discussed here.

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I find these attitudes to the English Missal incredible some would say ignorant. The English Missal was the old Tridentine Rite in English. If that is not centuries of use based on trained and schooled good taste I don't know what is.

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I have just noticed the mess I made and sent a message to one of your fellow hosts requesting the kindness of removing two of the examples.

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I find these attitudes to the English Missal incredible some would say ignorant. The English Missal was the old Tridentine Rite in English. If that is not centuries of use based on trained and schooled good taste I don't know what is.

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I don't know what 'good taste' has to do either with liturgy or the subject of this thread. The 'fun' of anglo- (and most other sorts of) catholicism has always been its over-the-top-ness and exuberance which is miles apart from cathedral dignity. Both have their place of course.

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I find these attitudes to the English Missal incredible some would say ignorant. The English Missal was the old Tridentine Rite in English. If that is not centuries of use based on trained and schooled good taste I don't know what is.

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I don't know what 'good taste' has to do either with liturgy or the subject of this thread. The 'fun' of anglo- (and most other sorts of) catholicism has always been its over-the-top-ness and exuberance which is miles apart from cathedral dignity. Both have their place of course.

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I think a good, honest example of High Church fun would be the Walsingham National. I'm afraid, however, that there is much A-C fun that is little more than bitchy, queeny, campy, elitist excess. I hope that strain is going the way of the Dodo, frankly.

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Originally posted by sebby:
One person's 'campy eleitist excess' is another person's fun.

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Originally posted by sydney:
By the way I started a thread a few years on the use of the Missal in churches in London today. Only two were identified, St Magnus the Martyr and St Michael and All Angels Croydon. Any updates on this?

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Originally posted by tomb:
I searched for a thread in Ecclesiantics that might explain to me why the Guardian's article on the successor to the Archbishop of Canterbury was quick to point out that virtually all of the potential candidates were Evangelical.

Given the tenor of this thread, I'm sort of figuring out why. Is eccentricity now the hallmark of anglo-catholicism?

Now, don't get me wrong, I was one of the cranky people on the Ship who objected to re-naming Mystery Worship "Ecclesiantics." And, to this day, I habitually spell GIN in all caps (particularly when I know it will annoy somebody).

But I have to ask you, is anglo-catholicism so discredited in the UK as a viable expression of Christian faith that even the Guardian, for God's sake, doesn't even mention a viable AC candidate for ABC?

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Originally posted by Albertus:
Yes, there has been bit of a tendency to 'alternate', at least since Coggan followed Ramsey and perhaps even when Fisher followed Temple. (Not sure what Fisher's churchmanship was- does 'Public School' best decribe it?)

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Nope.

More likely that Evangelicals have most of the money. And in the larger Anglican communion the Evangelicals have the larger provinces. So it doesn't matter where the next ABC's sympathies lie. He won't be able to go about pissing off the Evangelicals in the same way that an Evangelical is, regrettably, able to piss off the catholics or liberals.

Rowan was never as liberal as his detractors made out anyway, I've noticed some Evangelical sympathies in his speeches. He is as close to the centre of Anglicanism as any Archbishop has been. There's nothing to be alternative to.

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It's a long term pity, and a mark of one of the CofE's failings, that people think it's more important that the next Archbishop belongs to the same faction as themselves, than that he is a person who combines in the same person, wisdom, leadership and holiness.

By the way, according to Radio Bristol yesterday, the name of the new Archbishop is to be announced tomorrow.

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I think there are significant numbers of people, in all factions, who struggle to believe that he could combine those qualities if he's not of their faction. After all, all people who are right, wise and holy agree with me by definition, don't they?

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By the way, according to Radio Bristol yesterday, the name of the new Archbishop is to be announced tomorrow.

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By the way, according to Radio Bristol yesterday, the name of the new Archbishop is to be announced tomorrow.

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How can this be, since the Crown Commission meets on Wednesday and Thursday this week to do as last bit of praying before deciding?

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Indeed. I suppose I can see why they do it, and on the whole the results have been acceptable - with the glaring exception of George Carey, though IIRC there wasn't really anybody very obvious, Evangelical or not, in the frame when ++Runcie went- David Hope was a bit young (and A-C), John Habgood a bit old. Was David Sheppard considered? There was some talk then of ++Robin Eames (Armagh), but I don't know how serious a possibility this was.

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How can this be, since the Crown Commission meets on Wednesday and Thursday this week to do as last bit of praying before deciding?

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No idea. I was only half listening with the programme on in the background, when I suddenly heard this odd statement, and thought, 'how do they claim to know?'.

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Originally posted by Evangeline:
I started attending an AC church about 7 or 8 years ago because of its liberal theology, being tired of the Jensenite agenda on offer nearly everywhere else. I must say I don't see fun being had at all in my AC parish, they take themselves very seriously and IME are actually much less fun than many of their con-evo counterparts.

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Originally posted by Laud-able:
To Evangeline and Sir Pellinore:

You should come down south, where we will give you all the bells and smells, sound preaching, warm acceptance and laughter that you could possibly want.

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It is true that Anglicans have much to be concerned about at international, national and even diocesan levels, but I think that in the parishes we can have some relief. Certainly we are Easter people, and the joy of the Resurrection informs – or should inform - all that we are and all that we do.

I don’t mean that we should go about like Pollyanna - we may still grumble about schismatic dioceses and weak bishops and tedious synods - but at least in contributing to the life of the parish we should be cheerful in doing what we do, remembering that ‘God loveth a cheerful giver’ (and – I hope – a cheerful and loving clergy and people).

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Originally posted by Laud-able:
Much further up the thread Leo wrote:

I am still wondering what the connection between high anglicanism and 'fun' is. 'Fun' strikes me as being about 'entertainment' or of 'making light of' something. . . . The catholic tradition might have flashy robes but it also invites us to regular self-examination and confession, fasting and almsgiving.

Well, if ‘fun’ is too flippant a word, how about ‘cheerful enjoyment’?

Admittedly I would prefer to describe our vestments as ‘not expressed in fancy—rich, not gaudy’, and I don’t know that we would be highly rated for fasting, but we do attend to self-examination, and very much – I believe – to almsgiving and other works of charity.

I don’t want to labour the point, but for at least some Anglo-Catholics it is by no means either a butterfly existence or a life of gloomy disillusion.

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Returning from the misty Isles of Tangent, in my benefice one of the retired clergy wishes to have a requiem for a recently, and dearly missed, departed relative. He fondly remembers the excting days of the late Canon B F Brindley, but feared that the days of Anglo Catholic ebullience had passed, to be replaced with euro tat.

Since a good number of the clergy, retired, NSM and otherwise, are of the High persuasion, this has led to much joy; surprising perhaps in what could be a dismal time?

The fraternal nature of the clergy chapter has led to a steady stream of those who want to help, with increasingly excited ideas with regard to ritual and ceremonial.

This could be vacant, vain and empty, but here it just isn't.

The desire is very much to support and to serve our friend and to worship our God, both with joy in times of hardship. This has put a smile on the face of the bereaved and reinvigorated the elderly retired who are looking forward to donning the black requiem vestments with much glee.

Daft? You might think so, but it's good, old High Anglican joy which filters through. We now have a queue for the sacred ministers...I'm going to MC so steaming handbags at the ready, here we come!

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I find these attitudes to the English Missal incredible some would say ignorant. The English Missal was the old Tridentine Rite in English. If that is not centuries of use based on trained and schooled good taste I don't know what is.

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Originally posted by Sir Pellinore:
I think FOS all traditional Western Christian mystics have been fully practicing members of the Church: Theresa of Avila; John of the Cross; Francis of Assisi etc.

It goes without saying.

My stated "worry" is that conventional Anglo-Catholic religiosity is not engendering this.

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