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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
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Emily, there appear to be lots of things you don't know - or don't trust.

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Originally posted by Lothiriel:
Why should I look at 40,000 photos? If I look at 50 and see absolutely nothing like you describe, what reason is there to think that the next 39,950 will be any different?

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I can't help you, I'm sorry.

Seeing is subjective, is true.

Thanks for your candor. It's better than avoidance in my book.

Em

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Originally posted by Penny S:
A couple of points occur to me.

Amateur astronomers are abundant, and not dependent on grants. Moreover, many of them make their own telescopes, including the mirrors, and so are not bound by the conditions of this supposed treaty. And there isn't evidence that they have uncovered any of the features supposed to be hidden by the academics and professionals. They are as capable of publishing as those, or the proponents of the Annunaki hypothesis. And much more likely to leak than someone whose job was put at risk.

And, perhaps more importantly, if they came for our gold, how come we still have it? The stuff in our stores isn't all recently mined. If they were so advanced, how come they didn't mine out all the accessible stuff when they were here?

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Hawk, I have come to believe that we all have the capacity to link in to a global consciousness about what is true, if we desire to.

I have come to see modern media and fantasy and sci-fi are hooking into the same Sources I do.

We all know TPTB utilize the some-truth, some-myth model of knowledge presentation, in order to keep us all fascinated and confused at the same time.

This is why I dumped my tellie in 1997, and I haven't "WATCHED" a single drama on that medium since I began this work, so modern media is outside my experience entirely. I eschew it all.

How do I know what I know? I am a remote viewer, an Annunaki-hybrid myself, somewhat telepathic; and what I KNOW FROM DATA dovetails with what I believe from Intuition and Inspiration.

That is the best I can do. History will judge my predictive work after I'm gone.

Em

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You don't wanna piss people off whose technologies are a million years ahead of your own ... now do you? That's where the Annunaki stood until recently ... when Karma came home to them too.

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I asked previously where you get your ideas about the Annunaki from. I suspect many sources over the years have contributed. For instance your description of the treaty situation is almost exactly the plot of the last few seasons of X-Files. You've also mentioned in another post that in contacting us the Annunaki have violated the galactic Prime Directive, which orders that they shouldn't ever interfere with less-developed societies. Of course as any sci-fi fan knows, this is an invention of the Star Trek franchise.

I wonder if you're even aware that you're picking up your ideas from science-fiction TV, either from watching these directly, or reading others who have. Or perhaps you are aware and think that the TV shows are a false-flag operation, part of the conspiracy to hide the truth.

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I've been thinking some more about the silencing of all the astronomers in the world, and the size and extent of the alleged conspiracy in general. And I began to wonder (and I pose these questions in all seriousness, no satire or baiting intended): Emily Windsor-Cragg, how is it that the conspiracy to hide "the truth", which apparently exerts total control over thousands(?) of people who are in on the secret, has allowed your Facebook group to continue posting "the truth"? How is it that googling your name returns 188,000 hits, rather than "no results found"? How have your website and photos been allowed to stay up for years? If the conspiracy is as powerful as you suggest, surely they'd be able to prevent you and your friends from spreading your ideas all over the Internet. Surely all it would take is a little pressure on your Internet service provider and you'd be offline.

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Originally posted by LeRoc:
Just a question, Emily. What do you want us to do? From your posting on the Ship, it is obvious that you want to convince us that the Annunaki are real and that Niburu exists.

Let's all become more aware people; let's be more aware that our Leadership is vested in deceit and secrecy, and they're cheating us in more ways than we are even allowed to know. This is cosmic play, and I believe the winners are those with acute awareness rather than those who are content to sit as sheeple.

Nobody here is sheep; that is very clear to me, and I'm delighted with the response I have received on this set of issues. Very thought-provoking, and I hope I have honored your questions sufficiently.

Suppose for a moment that you'll succeed, and that a large number of Shipmates will be convinced by the sheer logic of your arguments. That is what you want, right? Then what next?

I'd be flabbergasted. I wouldn't know what to do. Cynicism is what I usually get back.

The Ship of Fools isn't an ordinary place. Most of us have above average intelligence. There are scientists here, engineers. There's a number of politicians among us, others are in the higher echelons of Churches of different denominations. We have access to the media (one of us was on the BBC last week). Some of us can get our hands on considerable financial resources. I see potential here.

I can see that! You guys are awesome! Most of you are way over my head, intellectually, broadly and deeply. But I'm doing something kind of unusual, and I don't get to talk about it ... ever ... not with my kids, not with my former Xeroids and certainly not with my neighbors! But I do get over at Facebook to hobnob with some others who share my same suspicions about OFFICIAL DOGMA dominating over real information.[/QB]


Surely this is why you chose us? But we'll need a plan. And your inside information will be invaluable for this.

[QB]Here's what I'm thinking. We start producing a small number of telescopes that would be able to see Niburu. There are a number of people here with the knowledge to produce telescopes, and funding won't be a problem. With your unique insights about Niburu we'd give them the exact specifications to look through its transparent surface.

You don't need telescopes to see Nibiru. You need light filters on conventional cameras to filter out everybody but uv light. Maybe NIGHTSHOT would do it, I don't know. Nibiru is HUGE; it's filling our skies, but our skies have the blue-white, aluminum-barium powder ceiling that is hard to see through.

... Of course, you would be the overall leader to guide us through this process. It's not going to be easy, but after a while we might be able to open the eyes of the world to the Truth. Not everyone of course, some people will still cling to the old conventional pseudo-science (hah!) But with a lot of work and sacrifice, a significant part of the world's population would know what is Real.

I love your humor here, and I'll just smile. Uhm, the whole world doesn't need to know, only about 2% of the population which are in charge of governance NEED TO KNOW. And people who want to know Science, need to know. But this knowledge is not salient to struggling multitudes for whom survival is their only real and abiding interest.

Nibiru is not threatening us. Our Cosmic God YHVH allowed the Annunaki to peel us out of Olesol's orbit and into this orbit for reasons.

It's all going to come out in the wash, is my conviction. I trust God.

What then? Surely, this would break our part of the Non-Disclosure Treaty with the Annunaki. We should be prepared for anything, and we cannot rule out that there would be a violent reaction from them. Should we begin plotting military strategies?

That Treaty is dead in the water since March 1st of this year, when the Annunaki overturned the Monarchy, there, that made it.

Help us, Emily! What should we do??

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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
This is why I dumped my tellie in 1997, and I haven't "WATCHED" a single drama on that medium since I began this work, so modern media is outside my experience entirely. I eschew it all.

How do I know what I know? I am a remote viewer, an Annunaki-hybrid myself, somewhat telepathic; and what I KNOW FROM DATA dovetails with what I believe from Intuition and Inspiration.

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Emily Windsor-Cragg: Let's all become more aware people

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1. We try to make people aware of this threat.
2. We propose some ideas of what we can do against this threat. Using cleaner energy, reforestation, etc.

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What is your subjective experience of telepathy - what actually happens ?

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The mind grows in the space it occupies; it takes on location, time and expansion-or-contraction.

It becomes a space, a room not unlike a computer monitor, sense-able.

My own thoughts constitute the "processor," but other thoughts intrude, slide by, or linger.

Over the past 22 years when I began doing this, it was like chat-text. Now, with more practice, it's like a chat-room, and I'm the moderator of it.

But in my case would I ever claim that all thoughts that come to me are of my own creation.

Does this make sense to you?

Em

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Emily Windsor-Cragg:[qb] Let's all become more aware people

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This is more or less the answer I expected.


In your posts, you say that you believe that there is a threat from the Elite and/or the Annunaki (I still haven't figured out if the Annunaki are the good guys or the bad guys in this story). However, the only answer you have to this threat, the only thing we could do about it, is 'become more aware'.

Annunaki are divided into factions; so some of them are good guys and some of them are bad guys.


Compare this for a moment with, for example, Global Warming. Some of us (including me) believe that Global Warming is a threat to our society. So, what is our reaction to this threat?[list=1]
[*]We try to make people aware of this threat.
[*]We propose some ideas of what we can do against this threat. Using cleaner energy, reforestation, etc.

This topic, Global Warming, is a perfect example of an issue MUDDIFIED by the existence of silent complicity with unnamed Treaties (with the Annunaki); with the pacification and compartmentalization of scientists who remain ignorant of the FACT we have a different Sun from before; and with the Use of Media as an element to keep the general populace in uproar and confusion so nobody can confront and challenge TPTB.

Another FACT is, the same corporate interests that keep quiet about the sun are the same ones that blame humankind (and not unaccountable, toxic industries) for the "over-production" of CO2, which isn't even toxic to life. Those same interests are the ones buying up patents and silencing inventors of Free Energy ideas.

That whole topic is so ripe and rife with hypocrisy, it's a perfect example of how toxic leadership can get when they have control of information.

In your case, part 2 is absent. You want to make people aware, but aware to do what: If you genuinely believed that we were under threat, you'd propose at least some things we could try to do about it.

1. Buy-cut and under-cut corporate media.
2. Vote with your feet; accept no more Diebold rigged elections and media lackeys and shills as leaders.
3. Rearrange your life so you don't need corporate fuels, corporate housing, corporate funding and corporate information. Why? Because corporations profiteer on lies and influence-peddling, and that's no way to run a world.
4. Be a leader. Say what you're gonna do and then DO IT! Stop mouthing platitudes but continuing to follow the crowd consuming stuff on the broad road.
5. Organize your family and friends into a club or cooperative that challenges the system, inter-personally, with a buying club, a local tool and toy library, a senior hospice, an after-school club for kids that doesn't hammer propaganda into the kids, etc. Return to the community and reassert the desire and need to share and cooperate one, with another.

These suggestions are in my book, "Civil Life in Galactic History," available at amazon.com .

This strongly suggests to me that you aren't really interesting in doing something about the Annunaki/Elite threat you perceive. You just want people to be aware, you want to get their attention. And I have a strong suspicion that it isn't really the Annunaki that you want attention for.

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Emily Windsor-Cragg:
1. Buy-cut and under-cut corporate media.
2. Vote with your feet; accept no more Diebold rigged elections and media lackeys and shills as leaders.
3. Rearrange your life so you don't need corporate fuels, corporate housing, corporate funding and corporate information. Why? Because corporations profiteer on lies and influence-peddling, and that's no way to run a world.
4. Be a leader. Say what you're gonna do and then DO IT! Stop mouthing platitudes but continuing to follow the crowd consuming stuff on the broad road.
5. Organize your family and friends into a club or cooperative that challenges the system, inter-personally, with a buying club, a local tool and toy library, a senior hospice, an after-school club for kids that doesn't hammer propaganda into the kids, etc. Return to the community and reassert the desire and need to share and cooperate one, with another.

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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
True, Dave, but I was thinking about something else.

I suspected that Emily's "smaller" moon and "closer" distance figures were probably inaccurate - maybe miscopied - but thought the major point she was seeking to make was that a small moon nearer to the earth might have the same apparent size in the sky as a large moon further away. Which is true, but irrelevant if one is using parallax to spot distance. So I focused on distance determination by parallax.

Of course the issue of apparent size of heavenly bodies, rather than real size, becomes most obvious during total eclipses, when the apparent sizes of sun and moon are virtually the same, despite huge differences in both real size and distance from the earth.

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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:

These suggestions are in my book, "Civil Life in Galactic History," available at amazon.com .

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Don't use these boards to advertise your site or product, or to lift email addresses to spam our members.

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What is your subjective experience of telepathy - what actually happens ?

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The mind grows in the space it occupies; it takes on location, time and expansion-or-contraction.

It becomes a space, a room not unlike a computer monitor, sense-able.

My own thoughts constitute the "processor," but other thoughts intrude, slide by, or linger.

Over the past 22 years when I began doing this, it was like chat-text. Now, with more practice, it's like a chat-room, and I'm the moderator of it.

But in my case would I ever claim that all thoughts that come to me are of my own creation.

Does this make sense to you?

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Yes, but we would probably disagree about the origin of thoughts in your head that you do not believe arise from your own mind. [/QB]

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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
Oh!

I placed the links to evidence in the Annunaki thread.

what I expected to discuss here is how it happens to be that Scriptures only begin 4000 years ago when in scientific fact, the Earth is 3.5 billion years old.

Doesn't make sense to me that Earth, with so many mysterious artifacts, pyramids and hidden cultures, must restrain ourselves to such a short official history.

Any takers?

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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
Have you seen the Indian "vimannas", jet planes from ancient Hindu India, ten thousand years ago?

They had them; they also had nuclear wars; there's residual radioactivity in some uninhabitable areas of India.

... under Hierarchy leadership.

I'll put up the link to a "vimana" plane image tomorrow. It'll take a while to dig out of my folders.

Em

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A study by aeronautical and mechanical engineering at Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore in 1974 concluded that the aircraft described in the text were "poor concoctions" and that the author showed complete lack of understanding of aeronautics.

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I find odd artifacts interesting--regardless of their true origins. I like to play with ideas, and think if there's anyway something *could* be true.
The Antikythera mechanism is one example.

I personally think that humans have a vested interest in thinking that of course current human knowledge is the greatest that has ever been, because we don't want to believe that knowledge could've been lost, or that current humans aren't "all that". We're the top of the evolutionary heap. We're the only ones who use tools (except many animals do), who have language (except whales and prairie dogs do, e.g.), who play as adults (except many animals do), etc.

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Originally posted by Penny S:
Apropos of not a lot, Lucian of Samosata, a satirist, wrote of creatures on the Moon who had a mirror mounted in a well with which to observe the Earth, and hear what was said on it - though perhaps I should not mention this. It does suggest technology which disappeared for a while.

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If you're talking about these "aircraft", the Wikipedia article notes

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A study by aeronautical and mechanical engineering at Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore in 1974 concluded that the aircraft described in the text were "poor concoctions" and that the author showed complete lack of understanding of aeronautics.

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The article notes also that the text that the description is found in was created in the 20th century by "mental channeling", which no serious historian would accept as a valid source.

As far as the radioactivity goes -- there is such a thing as natural background radiation. Some areas are noted for high levels of radiation due to high concentrations of naturally radioactive material. No need at all to postulate ancient nuclear war.

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Okay, I won't laugh at your sources if you won't laugh at mine.

Oh, you believe what Wikipedia tells you, and whoever wants to write anything as content, they are free to do that.

I placed the image of the vimanna at

http://freecommonlaw.us/images/TimeAnu/SumerianArtifact.png

Emily

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Originally posted by Laud-able:
Of course the pyramidiots, for ever possessed by conspiracy theories, claim that this graffito is a forgery perpetrated by its discoverer, Howard Vyse.

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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
Okay, I won't laugh at your sources if you won't laugh at mine.

Oh, you believe what Wikipedia tells you, and whoever wants to write anything as content, they are free to do that.

Emily

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This just in - according to the latest observations from a noted Boston observatory (i.e. the roof of my apartment building - the clouds finally cleared up!) the moon, when compared to a tape measure held at arm's length (approx. 27 inches from my eye), appears to have a diameter of about 1/4 of an inch. This corresponds to an angular size of 0.25/27 = 0.0093 radians or 0.0093*(180/pi) = 0.53 degrees - a good match to NASA's size/distance figures and a poor match to EW's values, as previously described here.

So Emily, how do you explain the fact that the angle subtended by the moon is 44 times larger than you claim it to be?

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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
Prove it.

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Prove it.

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I can't! I don't have the method to do so. I'm just a digital imaging techie.

But the scale of objects on the Moon is absolutely and totally absurd, given their dimensions and distances.

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Originally posted by Dave W.:
This just in - according to the latest observations from a noted Boston observatory (i.e. the roof of my apartment building - the clouds finally cleared up!) the moon, when compared to a tape measure held at arm's length (approx. 27 inches from my eye), appears to have a diameter of about 1/4 of an inch. This corresponds to an angular size of 0.25/27 = 0.0093 radians or 0.0093*(180/pi) = 0.53 degrees - a good match to NASA's size/distance figures and a poor match to EW's values, as previously described here.

So Emily, how do you explain the fact that the angle subtended by the moon is 44 times larger than you claim it to be?

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The problem is, they've got the distance wrong ... and that's by design.

So, I'm helpless here because details on the surface are absurd and impossible given the official size and distances.

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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:


Also. What I know about my father ... differs absolutely from the information in Wikipedia. Their "official account" is complete garbage, in alignment with all the other "official" renderings of his sad, sad story.

The people who write Wiki don't do any real research; it's all just gossip and the usual innunendos.

So I couldn't trust Wiki coming out of the gate!

Emily

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Prove it.

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I can't! I don't have the method to do so. I'm just a digital imaging techie.

But the scale of objects on the Moon is absolutely and totally absurd, given their dimensions and distances.

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Let me see if I understand you: you are capable of analysing evidence so as to refute findings that conflict with your worldview, but you can't present evidence in a way that proves anything that is a part of your worldview?

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Also. What I know about my father ... differs absolutely from the information in Wikipedia. Their "official account" is complete garbage, in alignment with all the other "official" renderings of his sad, sad story.

The people who write Wiki don't do any real research; it's all just gossip and the usual innunendos.

So I couldn't trust Wiki coming out of the gate!

Emily

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Again, here, the onus is on you to prove that your version is correct and that everyone else in the world has it wrong -- not just whoever wrote the Wikipedia entry on Edward VIII, but all the other historians and commentators who have written volumes on the subject. You haven't supplied anything except wild and unlikely conjecture and speculation to counter the "gossip and usual innuendo." Without serious, verifiable evidence, why should anyone believe anything you have to say?

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I can't! I don't have the method to do so. I'm just a digital imaging techie.

But the scale of objects on the Moon is absolutely and totally absurd, given their dimensions and distances.

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Emily Windsor-Cragg:
1. Buy-cut and under-cut corporate media.
2. Vote with your feet; accept no more Diebold rigged elections and media lackeys and shills as leaders.
3. Rearrange your life so you don't need corporate fuels, corporate housing, corporate funding and corporate information. Why? Because corporations profiteer on lies and influence-peddling, and that's no way to run a world.
4. Be a leader. Say what you're gonna do and then DO IT! Stop mouthing platitudes but continuing to follow the crowd consuming stuff on the broad road.
5. Organize your family and friends into a club or cooperative that challenges the system, inter-personally, with a buying club, a local tool and toy library, a senior hospice, an after-school club for kids that doesn't hammer propaganda into the kids, etc. Return to the community and reassert the desire and need to share and cooperate one, with another.

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Some of these are actually good, with or without the Annunaki. If believing in them causes you to use less fossile fuels and care about your community, I would be the last one to object.

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Originally posted by Emily Windsor-Cragg:
All I can legitimately do is raise the question, again and again--

"Is it okay that scientistic dogmatists are lying to us about what is going on in the skies over our heads?"

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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
How have these digital images been fraudulently edited ?

How can I replicate the originals ? By what technology ?

SOURCE ORIGINALS are available at

http://areo.info/mer/ ... Mars
http://www.apolloarchive.com/ ... Moon
http://www.ciclops.org/ ... Saturn

and other official sites.

If I did, what would be the difference ?

Mars images are unresolved in their focus, mis-scaled, falsely colored

Moon images were taken in both white and black light, the white light were strictly fly-bys and the black-light images strictly in a soundstage.

Saturn images are black-and-white in an era of full color; and details of human figured are blacked- and LINED-OUT!

What is the current definition of proof ?

That's up to the viewer.

What should it be instead ?

An agreed-upon technology that provides CLARITY, crisp focus, full color and depth-of-field.

What has God revealed to you that cannot be revealed to me ?

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... Whatever I asked God that you didn't ask yet.
He tells me ONLY what I ask, nothing extra.

He's not here merely to indulge my curiosity. I have to go out and learn something, also.

Emily