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Originally posted by Amorya:
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Originally posted by vw man:
One hymn I have not sung in a long time ,may be be as long as ten years is
O Jesus I have promished
both tunes I like but if I had to make a choise I would go for the newer one

There are at least four tunes it's commonly sung to: samples of some of them are here. I much prefer singing it to Hatherop Castle.

Amy

We sang it yesterday - to Wolvercote.

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Originally posted by ken:
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Originally posted by Cara:

As you might guess, Jan Struther's "Lord of all Hopefulness, Lord of all Joy" is another favourite.

Unfortunately that song is now almost unsung and almost unsingable because the well-known translation of "Be Thou My Vision" completely owns the tune Slane. And, to be honest, its a far far better hymn. So if one has to go, bye-bye Mrs Anstruther. Perhaps someone could do her a favour and make a new tune for her words (though they were in fact written for Slane)
We have sung 'Lord of all hopefulness' quite recently and I like both hymns, though I do prefer 'Be thou my vision', which we have also sung quite recently (but, er, not in the same service...)

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Originally posted by Amorya:
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Originally posted by leo:
Some years back, I was discussing with the director of music in the sacristy which verses of hymns we should cut. When i suggested the verse about the 'calm of hills above...', someone present gave a very personal account of a dreadful time in his life and of how that hymn had spoken to him. So I was duly chastened and we sang all the verses.

All the verses?
All the verses in the normal hymn book.

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I don't have any problems with using Slane to two different hymns - and I don't see (hear) how either could be set to a different tune. Both fit it so well.

But no more to it, please - I have a faint memory of something else, and it wasn't an original folk song with a right to it, and it wasn't poetry, either. It might, I suppose, have been a leaden footed update of Be Thou my Vision.

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Originally posted by vw man:
One hymn I have not sung in a long time ,may be be as long as ten years is
O Jesus I have promised
both tunes I like but if I had to make a choise I would go for the newer one

Gosh, we sing that ALL THE TIME. Mainly because even the Praise services have to have one traditional hymn as a minimum, and it just always seems to be that one *sigh*

Don't know the names of the tunes, but we invariably have to sing it to the one that makes you want to do knee-bends
[Devil]

And 'Morning has broken' seems to be the default choice for weddings, along with All Things Bright etc - one reason why I couldn't possibly join the wedding choir'.

Mrs. S, basking in all the great songs from last night's service: i.e. None of the Above

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From my old Sunday School versionn of 'Jesus loves me, this I know':

Jesus loves the Indian boy, bow and arrow for his toy....

And then something about the cowboy rhyming with 'and lassoo'.

Another little chorus I doubt we'll hear too often again was from the same Sunday School:

I may never march with the infantry,
Ride with the cavalry, shoot with artillery;
I may never zoom o'er the enemy
'Cos I'm in the Lord's army.

Great fun, with the actions and sound effects. Did it make pacifists out of us? Friends, this was 1970's Belfast - what do you think? [Big Grin]

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'Blessed assurance' is one I haven't heard in a very long time - but perhaps I just don't move in the right circles to hear it, as it is still in our hymn-books. Does it get out much?

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Chapelhead

British Methodists sing 'Blessed Assurance' a lot. But I recently heard an elderly churchgoing Anglican say he'd never heard of it before he started to attend a Methodist-run worship group. This suggests that it's not heard much in Anglican circles. I suppose it's not high enough for the high churches, and not charismatic enough for the charismatic churches. Perhaps the only place it really belongs now is in the Methodist Church.

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Originally posted by SvitlanaV2:
Perhaps the only place it really belongs now is in the Methodist Church.

Very possibly - we used to sing it a lot in my Baptist (but not charismatic) days, so I can imagine it being popular in Methodist circles.

The Anglican church I'm at now certainly isn't into blessed assurance, or (for the Rector) any assurance much at at all. The divinity of Christ, the omnipotence of God, all very un-assured. [Frown]

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quote:
Originally posted by Anselmina:
From my old Sunday School versionn of 'Jesus loves me, this I know':

Jesus loves the Indian boy, bow and arrow for his toy....

And then something about the cowboy rhyming with 'and lassoo'.

Another little chorus I doubt we'll hear too often again was from the same Sunday School:

I may never march with the infantry,
Ride with the cavalry, shoot with artillery;
I may never zoom o'er the enemy
'Cos I'm in the Lord's army.

Great fun, with the actions and sound effects. Did it make pacifists out of us? Friends, this was 1970's Belfast - what do you think? [Big Grin]

We sang the latter in a holiday club in around 2009 at my previous (conservative evangelical Anglican) church. The holiday club was following the story of Queen Esther, but put in a Knights & Maidens theme.

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quote:
Originally posted by Chapelhead:
'Blessed assurance' is one I haven't heard in a very long time - but perhaps I just don't move in the right circles to hear it, as it is still in our hymn-books. Does it get out much?

'Blessed Assurance' was part of my Methodist growing-up, sang it a lot, though as a child I didn't understand 'foretaste of glory'.
Hadn't heard it for years until I went to a party where the host demonstrated one of his party pieces, which was playing 'Blessed Assurance' interspersed line by line with strains of 'Jesu Joy of Man's Desiring'. Great fun!

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quote:
Originally posted by Anselmina:
From my old Sunday School versionn of 'Jesus loves me, this I know':

Jesus loves the Indian boy, bow and arrow for his toy....

And then something about the cowboy rhyming with 'and lassoo'.
[Big Grin]

Other versions remembered from seminary:

'JWHW loves me this I know,
J,D,E,P tell me so
(don't remember the rest)
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Buddha loves me this I know,
For my prayer wheel tells me so.
Little ones to him we go,
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Originally posted by Chapelhead:
'Blessed assurance' is one I haven't heard in a very long time - but perhaps I just don't move in the right circles to hear it, as it is still in our hymn-books. Does it get out much?

'Jesus is MINE' is too individualistic for Anglicans and RCs.

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quote:
Originally posted by leo:
'Jesus is MINE' is too individualistic for Anglicans and RCs.

I can see why, but an entire congregation singing together 'Jesus is OURS' would manage to be triumphalist and sectarian at the same time.

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quote:
Originally posted by Chapelhead:
'Blessed assurance' is one I haven't heard in a very long time - but perhaps I just don't move in the right circles to hear it, as it is still in our hymn-books. Does it get out much?

Occasionally sung in our CofE church. Not often - twice in the last three years according to the rather incomplete records I've been keeping.

But it must have a hard core of support somewhere in the Church of England because they put it in Eucharistic Prayer D [Big Grin] Or at least strongly alluded to it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jade Constable:
quote:
Originally posted by Anselmina:
Another little chorus I doubt we'll hear too often again was from the same Sunday School:

I may never march with the infantry,
Ride with the cavalry, shoot with artillery;
I may never zoom o'er the enemy
'Cos I'm in the Lord's army.


We sang the latter in a holiday club in around 2009 at my previous (conservative evangelical Anglican) church. The holiday club was following the story of Queen Esther, but put in a Knights & Maidens theme.
Did you sing "When a knight won his spurs", too?
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One hymn I remember from school assembly was "God of concrete, God of steel." I haven't heard it sung in church for years though with the withering away of a lot of industry and our recent concern about our impact on the environment I guess it sounds very dated.

Though there is a disconnect in some modern hymnody, here in New Zealand there have been a lot of hymns written which celebrate the landscape of the country (and why not, it is a beautiful place.)Yet we are an overwhelmingly urban country and that is barely hinted at in New Zealand hymn writing or liturgical composition.

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quote:
Originally posted by leo:
quote:
Originally posted by Chapelhead:
'Blessed assurance' is one I haven't heard in a very long time - but perhaps I just don't move in the right circles to hear it, as it is still in our hymn-books. Does it get out much?

'Jesus is MINE' is too individualistic for Anglicans and RCs.
It's also theologically suspect for RCs, since the Council of Trent anathematized the doctrine of the assurance of salvation.

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Perhaps the Anglican bunches I've been fraternizing with in Ireland are a little atypical, but Blessed Assurance will crop up now and again, Will your Anchor Hold pretty often, Thine be the Glory, Onward Christian Soldiers, Stand up, Stand up for Jesus, Trust and Obey.

What I would consider the old-fashioned kind of hymns.

Safe in the Arms of Jesus and Shall we gather at the river are almost compulsory at funerals!

And yet in former CofE parishes these would appear rarely if ever.

For a few years now, I have been missing singing anything to Abbotsleigh, which seems to be an unknown tune here (despite being in the hymn book).

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quote:
Originally posted by ken:
quote:
Originally posted by Chapelhead:
'Blessed assurance' is one I haven't heard in a very long time - but perhaps I just don't move in the right circles to hear it, as it is still in our hymn-books. Does it get out much?

Occasionally sung in our CofE church. Not often - twice in the last three years according to the rather incomplete records I've been keeping.

But it must have a hard core of support somewhere in the Church of England because they put it in Eucharistic Prayer D [Big Grin] Or at least strongly alluded to it.

Check Crockfords for the places where +James Jones of Liverpool has served and you should find your answer. [Biased]

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Sand Blessed Assurance this last Sunday in our small rural middle of the road C of E [Smile]
First snag it in a Baptist church 40 years ago but then our Anglican church at the time sang very Hymns Ancient not modern!

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quote:
Originally posted by Chapelhead:

The Anglican church I'm at now certainly isn't into blessed assurance, or (for the Rector) any assurance much at at all. The divinity of Christ, the omnipotence of God, all very un-assured. [Frown]

I just wanted to say that I hope things improve in the spiritual life of your church.
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Blessed Assurance is a regular for me - one of the useful stock of hymns to take to small chapels when you don't know their repertoire and they may struggle with the unknown.
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I suspect the churches that sing "Blessed Assurance" et al are older style evangelical in ethos (evangelical before there were charismatics). They sing revivalist camp meeting songs rather than Anglican Victorian hymns.

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Originally posted by Jengie John:
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I suspect the churches that sing "Blessed Assurance" et al are older style evangelical in ethos (evangelical before there were charismatics). They sing revivalist camp meeting songs rather than Anglican Victorian hymns.
Not so. My church is MOTR CofE and we sing "Blessed Assurance" quite often.

We haven't got an organist [Frown] or anyone prepared to play the piano, so we do the karaoke thing with pre-recorded hymn music from a set of CDs. I suspect the choice of hymns is strongly influenced by what's on the CDs.

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God Be With You Till We Meet Again was mentioned somewhere upthread.

It used to be sung by crowds gathered at the dock to farewell missionaries as their ship pulled out.

In the context of missionaries intending to serve overseas for life, with only infrequent furloughs, and without the present possibility of jumping on a plane and being home within twenty-four hours, it was intensely moving.

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We used to sing that to the school leavers at the end of year service. We being teenage girls there was quite a lot of emotional weeping.

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quote:
Originally posted by Enoch:
quote:
Originally posted by leo:
'Jesus is MINE' is too individualistic for Anglicans and RCs.

I can see why, but an entire congregation singing together 'Jesus is OURS' would manage to be triumphalist and sectarian at the same time.
So best not sing the doggerel at all.

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quote:
Originally posted by ken:
quote:
Originally posted by Chapelhead:
'Blessed assurance' is one I haven't heard in a very long time - but perhaps I just don't move in the right circles to hear it, as it is still in our hymn-books. Does it get out much?

Occasionally sung in our CofE church. Not often - twice in the last three years according to the rather incomplete records I've been keeping.

But it must have a hard core of support somewhere in the Church of England because they put it in Eucharistic Prayer D [Big Grin] Or at least strongly alluded to it.

Before now, I hadn't linked that hymn with its chorus. Still don't like it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Chamois:
Originally posted by Jengie John:
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I suspect the churches that sing "Blessed Assurance" et al are older style evangelical in ethos (evangelical before there were charismatics). They sing revivalist camp meeting songs rather than Anglican Victorian hymns.
Not so. My church is MOTR CofE and we sing "Blessed Assurance" quite often.


Yeah but what were you fifty years ago?

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quote:
Originally posted by leo:
Before now, I hadn't linked that hymn with its chorus. Still don't like it.

I think its rather wonderful [Biased]


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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
Yeah but what were you fifty years ago?

In our case, the first church Billy Graham ever preached in in Britain - which rather fits your hypothesis!

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The hypothesis was based on observation of URC Congregations and what hymnody they sung. There is not a huge difference in the age of hymns, we do not get one church singing Metrical Psalms while another sings modern choruses.

However they do tend to go for genres. My basic hypothesis is is a congregation was exposed to a genre at the time of its popularity then that genre keeps going to some extent through successive generations.

What is important is some congregations do sing the Revivalist Camp Songs/Moody and Sankey/Golden Bells and other congregations stick to the more formal hymns of the era.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kaplan Corday:
God Be With You Till We Meet Again was mentioned somewhere upthread.

It used to be sung by crowds gathered at the dock to farewell missionaries as their ship pulled out.


I always think of it as a funeral hymn.
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Originally posted by Kaplan Corday:
God Be With You Till We Meet Again was mentioned somewhere upthread.

It used to be sung by crowds gathered at the dock to farewell missionaries as their ship pulled out.


I always think of it as a funeral hymn.
We used to sing it at the end of every choir practice.

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In addition to the hymns mentioned in my previous post, I haven't heard There's a light upon the mountains for decades, which I remember singing at the Methodist Church that my parents took me to as a child. Nowadays I find the words a little suspect (over-realised eschatology anyone?) but I still love the tune (the second one listed on Cyberhymnal, though I didn't know it by the name of Mt Holyoke) - so much harmonic interest in it, unlike many stodgy hymn tunes or three-chord-trick worship songs.

And I sang Blessed assurance a few weeks ago at the Baptist Church that I've been attending recently, for the first time ever (I think).
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I may never march with the infantry,
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I may never zoom o'er the enemy
'Cos I'm in the Lord's army.
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"Some folks have to fly over Germany",
later changed to "fly over land and sea"

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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
My basic hypothesis is is a congregation was exposed to a genre at the time of its popularity then that genre keeps going to some extent through successive generations.

Yep. In our case that most strongly shows in the generation my age - or to be honest slightly older than my age, maybe the 60-somethings - beign strongly attached to 1970s and 1980s charismatic-lite "choruses", especially of a mildly Restorationist/March-for-Jesus sort, and some of the John Wimber stuff. Part of that's geography. South London (where I live now) and Brighton (my home town) were pretty much the hotspots of that sort of thing about thirty years ago. The same people also tend to got for the Iona and Taize stuff. It makes for a lot of rather wimpish, soppy, dull singing as far as I am concerned. Something a bit more hymn-like - or a bit more camp-meeting-like - gives you a chance to open your mouth and "sing lustily".

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What is important is some congregations do sing the Revivalist Camp Songs/Moody and Sankey/Golden Bells and other congregations stick to the more formal hymns of the era.

And yes again, though that would be most popular among the generation one older than the 60-somethings, now increasingly promoted to glory. When I first turned up at the church I am at now, in 1990, there was still a cupboard full of Golden Bells and a few copies of Sacred Songs and Solos at the back of the church. Hardly ever, if ever, used. The same was true of the church in Brighton I first started attending when I was converted, back in the 1970s. And the Congregational Church I used to got to for Boy's Brigade meetings before that. So I had thirty or forty years of churches with dusty cupboards with disused copies of Golden Bells!


In fact I can't remember what hymn book we actually used in church in 1990. Might have been a mixture of A&M and another one - what was that small-format thick book with a plain bright red cover? I think we might still have some copies of it.

We moved to Mission Praise a year or two later when the combined words-only edition came out. And then to Songs of Fellowship about ten years after that. Which exactly fits this story because Mission Praise itself originated with the Billy Graham missions but was later extended by some Anglicans to include both traditional hymns and some of the new charismatic choruses, so it was a sort of compromise betweeen the three styles; and Songs of Fluffiness comes from the other end - it starts from the New Frontiers style of Charismatic/Evangelical/Reformed/Restorationist worship and includes some older stuff as a wauy of reaching out towards the more traditional congregations. (Whether "reaching out" in fellowship, or evangelistically, or commercially, is left as an excercise for the reader)

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My kids (8 and 5) like to join me at the harmonium and

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"sing lustily".
I'd like to think they're amongst the youngest kids around to like 'tell me the old, old story'. Though that really means amongst the last to love it, which seems sadder.

They're old enough to know we're wierd, but not old enough to mind. Yet.

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Originally posted by mark_in_manchester:
My kids (8 and 5) like to join me at the harmonium and

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"sing lustily".
I'd like to think they're amongst the youngest kids around to like 'tell me the old, old story'. Though that really means amongst the last to love it, which seems sadder.

They're old enough to know we're wierd, but not old enough to mind. Yet.

I thought me and mine were weird, but you've out-weirded me there.

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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
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Originally posted by Chamois:
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:

I suspect the churches that sing "Blessed Assurance" et al are older style evangelical in ethos (evangelical before there were charismatics). They sing revivalist camp meeting songs rather than Anglican Victorian hymns.

Not so. My church is MOTR CofE and we sing "Blessed Assurance" quite often.

Yeah but what were you fifty years ago?

Jengie

Me, personally? Six years old.

Fifty years ago the church I now attend was high church CofE. It's definitely moved down the candle since the 60s, although we still use the icon of our patron saint and its stand for votive candles and have a side chapel with a statue of Our Lady. The holy water stoup is no longer in use.

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Originally posted by Rosa Winkel:
Presumably that's sung at Mudfrog's place [Biased]

It's possible to dislike a song without having to be pleased to see it as being accused of being anti-semitic.

I'm pretty attuned to matters of anti-semitism myself, and understand the words to refer to the leaders, not the body of Jewish people themselves. Saying that, as any Life of Brian fan knows, it wasn't the Jewish leaders who stripped and whipped and hung him on high. I understand this to be an anti-clerical or holier-than-thou point.

Sorry, I wasn't listening...

...what's sung at Mudfrog's place? I really must pay attention...

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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
I suspect the churches that sing "Blessed Assurance" et al are older style evangelical in ethos (evangelical before there were charismatics). They sing revivalist camp meeting songs rather than Anglican Victorian hymns.

Jengie

That'll be us then [Smile]

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Originally posted by Firenze:
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Originally posted by ken:
As Simple Gifts was written in 1848 and is well out of copyright, that's more OCD than ultra-cautious!

(Lord of the Dance is much more recent and very much in copyright)

And there aren't even any Shakers left. But the line is and always has been Never Assume Anything.
As of 2010, there were still three living Shakers.

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Originally posted by ken:
As Simple Gifts was written in 1848 and is well out of copyright, that's more OCD than ultra-cautious!

It appears as no. 554 in the Hymnal 1982, and Aaron Copland included it in his Old American Songs, Set 1, so I wouldn't assume that no one currently holds copyright.

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The author, elder Joseph Brackett, died in 1882. The words I used were his. Later arrangements of the music and words could have acquired additional copyright. (It looks as though some people have their own versions.) I can't see how the original words could have done. I first met them in a book "Faith, Hope and Clarity" published by Galliard in the late 1960's, where both words and tune were identified as anonymous. Obviously wrong.

Michael Flatley ran into trouble with Sydney Carter over his use of the Lord of the Dance version and title. (Hubris twice, not only Jesus, but also Shiva.)

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Originally posted by ken:
... In fact I can't remember what hymn book we actually used in church in 1990. Might have been a mixture of A&M and another one - what was that small-format thick book with a plain bright red cover? I think we might still have some copies of it. ...

That might have been Anglican Hymn Book.

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Church Hymnary 3?

An odd choice for an Anglican if it was.

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I was at a very old-style anglo-catholic High Mass this morning (eastward facing, sung collects and gospel, the works) which finished with 'O Lord all the world belongs to you' (Patrick Appleford IIRC) I've not sung that since about 1970. The tune conjured up a smoky nightclub (well, we had the smoke, but not much else) circa 1934. There is a nearby church furnished in that style, but not this one which is full-on Victoriana. A most strange contrast, but not inappropriate.

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I don't have any problems with using Slane to two different hymns - and I don't see (hear) how either could be set to a different tune. Both fit it so well.

But no more to it, please - I have a faint memory of something else, and it wasn't an original folk song with a right to it, and it wasn't poetry, either. It might, I suppose, have been a leaden footed update of Be Thou my Vision.

HERE is a nice one.

We have it in our song book, along with LOAH and BTMV - though the BTMV is the updated arrangement with the strong rythmn.

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I think that is it - I must have only sung it once, but it looks familiar. Not leaden footed at all, but a sort of reference to LOAH, which is why I couldn't separate it out.
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