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In the 80s the Church I attended sang
Worthy o worthy are you Lord
I loved this song,but it is long gone the you tube version for me is very poor.
what songs do you miss or not miss
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A year or so ago, we had a thread about the hymn tune which was named for the place closest to you. One hymn that didn't make the cut for the Episcopal Hymnal 1982 was to the tune "Dexter Street," named for a street six blocks from my house. I have likely pinpointed the exact block it was named for, near the neighborhood Episcopal church, just down the street from the Italian market and public library branch. It isn't a particularly stirring or easy tune, but I still wish it was in the hymnal, for personal reasons.
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The so-called 'modern' hymns that I sang at school in the 70s no longer seem to exist in my little corner of the world. Whatever happened to Kumbaya? Do schools still sing hymns about children of the world uniting?
My centenarian granny sits at home singing lots of an old Pentecostal hymns, including one that goes:
I never went to college
To learn Bible knowledge;
I got my education at the cross!
Pentecostal pastors are going to Bible college now, though, so I don't suppose they encourage the public singing of this kind of song any more!
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Try any of the church militant hymns, "Onward Christian Soldiers" or Hymns that seem , out here in the former colonies "imperialist"
"Jerusalem" springs to mind
Then the ACC"s new hymnal have taken man/men and replaced it with gender neutral language . Is there no end to this PC silliness >? ![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif) ![[brick wall]](graemlins/brick_wall.gif) ![[Angel]](graemlins/angel.gif) ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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The hymn I miss the most is Thine be the glory to the tune Maccabaeus, not because it's no longer sung, but because it hadn't been written when the hymn-book we use, Common Praise, was published (1938), so it isn't sung here. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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Originally posted by piglet:
The hymn I miss the most is Thine be the glory to the tune Maccabaeus, not because it's no longer sung, but because it hadn't been written when the hymn-book we use, Common Praise, was published (1938), so it isn't sung here.
I thought Maccabaeuswas written by Handel in 1746
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I've always liked "Will your anchor hold in the storms of life?"
A good old Methodist hymn with a stirring tune including some lovely low notes.
Haven't sung it for years and years.
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Originally posted by SvitlanaV2:
Whatever happened to Kumbaya?
It died of shame.
I'm partial to "Softly and tenderly Jesus is calling".
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When I was in infant school, we always sang 'When a knight won his spurs' in assembly. I had no idea what it meant, but I liked the bits about giants and dragons! I haven't heard it since then.
And the hymn about hobgoblins and foul fiends - well, that was the line I always remembered. It was a bit of excitement in an otherwise boring assembly! 'Who would true valour see'. I think that one had a giant or two in it too!
In Sunday School, as a little kid, I liked singing 'I may never march in the infantry' - mostly because I found the actions fun and the tune bouncy! I suppose acting out fighting and shooting people isn't very PC nowadays! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Lots of focus on Christianity as a battle to fight back then, I guess. Today hymns and songs have a different focus.
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Originally posted by Chamois:
I've always liked "Will your anchor hold in the storms of life?"
A good old Methodist hymn with a stirring tune including some lovely low notes.
Haven't sung it for years and years.
Should come to my church -- I'm relatively certain I've banged that out on the piano within the last two years at most. "We Have An Anchor! That Keeps the Soul!" I love the "Grounded firm and deep" line which includes the low notes you mention. I'm a big fan of the good old hymns in the Methodist tradition.
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When I was five years old and in school I loved to sing:
"Over the sea there are little brown children, fathers and mothers and babies dear;
They have not heard of the Father in Heaven; they have not heard that God is near.
and so on
That wasn't recently, I should add.
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Penny S
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"Thine be the glory" was one of my Dad's favourites. He met it in Belgium, in a barn used for worship, in French, some time between D-Day and the end of the war.
I thought I knew the chorus, but it hadn't been transmitted quite right. Close though.
À toi la gloire, O Ressuscité! À toi la victoire pour l'éternité!
In that time and place it must have meant much.
(Dad's version, second line went "Jesu ressuscité" or similar. And the third line had an "et" at the beginning. Obviously didn't scan well, but we had lots of irregular hymns in Congregational Praise, so I wasn't bothered by that.
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Of course, there are verses we don't sing of hymns that we still do. For instance, the "Rich man in his castle" verse from "All things bright and beautiful".
And what about these verses from Wesley's "O for a thousand tongues to sing":
Awake from guilty nature’s sleep,
And Christ shall give you light,
Cast all your sins into the deep,
And wash the Æthiop white.
(Rest available here: scroll down)
Not very PC are they?!!!
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Originally posted by Stercus Tauri:
When I was five years old and in school I loved to sing: Over the sea there are little brown children...
Me too, in Sunday School, it was indeed a looong time ago. And yet I can remember all the words, and the fact that the tune can be played on the piano on just the black notes.
(I can remember all that, but not how to code or to preview something I wrote 2 minutes ago)
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Penny S
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I saw a film, way back, made in the States at a time where films for the black viewer market were totally separate from those for white audiences. It was called "Cabin in the sky" and concerned the son of a devout woman, who had gone off the rails, but, at the end, came back to the fold. (I've see the same theme in Bollywood!)
And the black congregation sang, and I did not realise how appalling it was at the time, "Little black sheep, come on home, gonna wash your fleece much white than foam".
By contrast, everyone should learn Horrible Histories' stunning Rosa Parks song "I sat on the bus".
She sat on the bus
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Another song we sang in primary school, which wouldn't be appropriate nowadays, was this:
He gave me eyes so I could see
The wonders of the world;
Without my eyes I could not see
The other boys and girls.
The rest of it can be found here.
I loved the song when I was a little child, but obviously we were a school full of able-bodied, seeing, hearing, speaking children, and it didn't even occur to me at five years old that this wouldn't apply to all children.
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Penny S
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When I stopped teaching five years ago, that was still on the go, Fineline.
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When I stopped teaching five years ago, that was still on the go, Fineline.
Gosh, really? I figured schools are more inclusive of children with disabilities now, so they probably wouldn't sing it, because the words wouldn't apply to all the children. But then I work in a special school, where many of the children can't speak, and quite a few can't walk, and some are visually impaired and have hearing impairment, so it wouldn't make sense to sing it where I work.
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SvitlanaV2
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When I was at primary school we sang;
The child is black
The child is white
Together we learn
To read and write.
I don't suppose they sing that now. Blackness has become a problematic term when applied indiscriminately to anyone who isn't white. People's ethnic and political allegiances have become more specific and less inclusive since the 70s and 80s.
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[tangent]I know someone of mixed race who has olive coloured skin and refers to herself as "black"[/tangent]
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Piglet, I think it may be the words that are excluding 'Thine be the glory' from your hymnbook. The tune is definitely by Handel, but according to a hymn book I've got, they were written by E L Budry in French (1854-1932) and translated into English in 1904 by R.B. Hoyle (1875-1939). So they would have been in copyright in 1939 and possibly not that well known, but as far as the UK is concerned, are out of it now.
I think it's a wonderful hymn. Easter isn't Easter without it, and IMHO nor is either a funeral or a hymn book complete without it. Good argument for replacing your hymn book, or at least preparing your own supplement, I'd have thought.
I have to admit I'm rather less fond of 'When a knight won his spurs'. Rather yucky versions seem to come on Songs of Praise rather too frequently.
I think it's a great pity that no hymn book I've encountered includes the following verse in 'Through all the changing scenes of life". It's in the original and corresponds to v 10 of the psalm:-
"While hungry lions lack their prey,
the Lord will food provide,
For such as put their trust in him,
and see their wants supplied."
One of the grumbles I have about the hymn book we use at church (not the only one) is the number of what I'd regard as hymns from the classic repertoire that it leaves out.
I can see why people drop Jerusalem, and can just about see why they omit "From Greenland's icy mountains", though I still miss it. But what hymn book can claim to be adequate, if it omits, e.g.?
"My God and is thy table spread", (Doddridge's Communion Hymn)
"Awake my soul and with the sun", (the Morning Hymn)
"As pants the hart for cooling streams" (Ps 42)
"Be still my soul" (Finlandia)
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Penny S
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And the "ink is black, the page is white" was another one in the BBC Assembly hymn book. And synchronicity strikes again - while watching "I sat on the bus" yesterday, I recalled to the friend I was with that song, and the reaction of the children to it.
I used to be the one who did "Hymn Practice", which was often the only place that hymns were sung, as the law became more and more ignored about worship, and I used the session to teach about content, avoid the obviously creationist stuff, and encourage children to know that when it said "Trad" or "Anon" it meant they could make up their own words as well as the ones in the book. We had some very thoughtful additions to "Kumbaya".
I did this one, and explained the history, to a hall full of white, Asian, African etc children, and their mouths dropped open in disbelief. And I told how a political party had had an election meeting on our school, and waved a reading book showing black and white children together and said that this was wrong. It was very satisfying (expecially since some of the people at that long ago meeting were parents at the time, and still about).
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Just a gentle reminder that if you want to quote a verse, up to four lines should be fine; any more than that and we'd like a link, please, so as to avoid any potential copyright problems. Thanks!
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Originally posted by St. Gwladys:
[tangent]I know someone of mixed race who has olive coloured skin and refers to herself as "black"[/tangent]
My point has little to do with skin shade.
In the 70s and 80s British Asians and African-Caribbeans, for example, would both refer to themselves a 'black' as a sign of political solidarity, in a context where they both faced racism. This response can no longer be taken for granted in a more complex racial, cultural and political environment.
As has been shown already, songs that make mention of race have fallen out of favour.
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Originally posted by Fineline:
When I was in infant school, we always sang 'When a knight won his spurs' in assembly. I had no idea what it meant, but I liked the bits about giants and dragons! I haven't heard it since then.
And the hymn about hobgoblins and foul fiends - well, that was the line I always remembered. It was a bit of excitement in an otherwise boring assembly! 'Who would true valour see'. I think that one had a giant or two in it too!
In Sunday School, as a little kid, I liked singing 'I may never march in the infantry' - mostly because I found the actions fun and the tune bouncy! I suppose acting out fighting and shooting people isn't very PC nowadays!
Lots of focus on Christianity as a battle to fight back then, I guess. Today hymns and songs have a different focus.
Funnily enough, Spurs was reaired this morning on Premier's Hearts and Hymns (reaired at 6pm) or on Diane Louise-Jordan's BBC R2 worship-music programme this morning. (dig it out on iPlayer)
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(Sorry about that, Ariel.)
I also remember 'The ink is black, the page is white/The child is black, the child is white'. I guess it's dated in more ways than one, now that classrooms are so multi-media. It would be more accurate to sing: 'The computer screen is any colour you want it to be, the font is any colour you want it to be'!
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Our blackboards, called so, were green for my whole career until whiteboards. We were supposed to use yellow chalk, as it was supposed to be easier to read - but we never had any in the stock room.
"The IWB is turquoise, the font is indigo"
because that is best for the children with Irlen's dyslexia.
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Anyone remember 'Think of a world without any flowers'? I'm guessing that's another one that's not sung any more. I used to find it really disturbing as a child, and it always made me cry. I took it very literally and imagined the world that it portrayed, with no flowers, no trees, no sun, no people, no homes, and I got quite frightened that this would happen, and I'd be the only one left in a cold, empty world! Looking back, I'm not sure that such a stark image is quite necessary in order for children to be grateful for God's creation!
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Originally posted by SvitlanaV2:
When I was at primary school we sang;
The child is black
The child is white
Together we learn
To read and write.
I don't suppose they sing that now. Blackness has become a problematic term when applied indiscriminately to anyone who isn't white. People's ethnic and political allegiances have become more specific and less inclusive since the 70s and 80s.
I sang that at primary school in the late 90s!
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Had "think of a world" quite a bit - but I never heard it from a child's point of view. (I've just found a version with some supposedly child originated words of a Christian persuasion which would not have gone down well in a mixed school.)
I suppose I though of it from an environmental stewardship point of view.
I used to like "I love God's tiny creatures, that wander wild and free. The coral coated ladybird, the velvet humming bee..." Songs of Praise (not the Beeb).
I liked hymns with pictures in the words - the knight with his spurs (a most inappropriate image really, but there was a lot of Arthurian fantasy about) and so on.
And I used to do "anchor" as well - didn't know until recently that the image of Christ as anchor went back to the Catacombs.
Jade, you weren't in NW Kent, were you?
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I suspect this reveals that I'm hopelessly old fashioned, insensitive and all sorts of other bad things. It is, after all, over fifty years since I was last in a primary school. However, here goes.
I can see why, but I think it's a great pity that children should be barred from giving thanks for their good health, for being able to see, hear, speak etc, for fear that it might upset children who do not have these things.
"He gave us eyes to see them
and lips that we might tell ... "
(only two lines and the author died in 1895!),
There may be specific contexts where one might need to be more circumspect. As a general principle, though, that is like saying we should not thank God for our food because there are some people who have not got any. That would be profoundly ungrateful.
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"If I were a butterfly ..."
"From the rising of the sun ..."
"He is Lord, he is Lord".
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Originally posted by Fineline:
Anyone remember 'Think of a world without any flowers'? I'm guessing that's another one that's not sung any more. I used to find it really disturbing as a child, and it always made me cry. I took it very literally and imagined the world that it portrayed, with no flowers, no trees, no sun, no people, no homes, and I got quite frightened that this would happen, and I'd be the only one left in a cold, empty world! Looking back, I'm not sure that such a stark image is quite necessary in order for children to be grateful for God's creation!
It's Hymn 155 in the current Church of Scotland hymnary, though not one I've sung personally.
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That blog was interesting, and revealed just how different people may have different mental furniture from their different upbringings. Mine was Songs of Praise and Congregational Praise, and the concept of hymns about Mary is alien to me.
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Originally posted by Enoch:
I can see why, but I think it's a great pity that children should be barred from giving thanks for their good health, for being able to see, hear, speak etc, for fear that it might upset children who do not have these things.
Apparently it's not barred - that was just a guess of mine, but Penny S said that it's still going. Guess it depends on the school and the diversity of children there. I agree that we should give thanks to God for all he has given us, but I also think that if you are in a school where some children don't walk/talk/see, it would be rather insensitive to get the whole school to sing that song, just as it would be insensitive to sing a song thanking God for the food he gives us if you are in the company of starving people who are not able to share in the food.
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"If I were a butterfly ..."
I last heard that about six years ago.
Seems trite at first but its message that we should be ourselves instead of imitating others seems good to me.
I agree - and this is actually a song that is still going, at least in the school where I work. It works well in a special school, where all the children have very different abilities.
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When I was in infant school, we always sang 'When a knight won his spurs' in assembly. I had no idea what it meant...
Oh yes, me too! The line 'For God and for valour he rode through the land' always puzzled me. God I knew about, but who, I always wondered, was valour??
I loved singing the bit about 'the sword of my youth'... Can't really sing that any more, 50 years later
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"Be still my soul" (Finlandia)
It's No. 382 in The Book of Worship for United States Forces, the hymnal still in use (so far as I know) at the Cadet Chapel, United States Military Academy, West Point.
I've also heard it done as a choir anthem in an Episcopal church, although it isn't in the 1982 Hymnal.
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"I sing a song of the saints of God,
patient and brave and true"
I sung that quite a lot in my UK Baptist church as a child, but have not sung it since. Admittedly, I've since become an Anglican, and it's not in any of the books I've used since then.
There may also be a pond difference here!
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Originally posted by Japes:
"I sing a song of the saints of God"
Admittedly, I've since become an Anglican, and it's not in any of the books I've used since then.
Ah, the "Wannabe Hymn". Yes, a pond difference. It's No. 293 in the 1982 Hymnal of the Episcopal Church.
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Originally posted by Chamois:
I've always liked "Will your anchor hold in the storms of life?"
A good old Methodist hymn with a stirring tune including some lovely low notes.
Haven't sung it for years and years.
There is a lovely rendering of that on a CD by Ely Catherdal choir. Good fun!
Here is one priest's list of hymns not to be lost. Some I know some I don't.
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Originally posted by SvitlanaV2:
When I was at primary school we sang;
The child is black
The child is white
Together we learn
To read and write.
I seem to know "The ink is black, the page is white", though I doubt I sung that in church.
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I am very unhappy that "The Son of God Goes Forth to War" was left out of the 1982 TEC hymnal.
The first line sounds militant, but if you look at the whole hymn, it's about martyrdom. I don't think there is any hymn in the 1982 hymnal that is about martyrdom.
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L'organist
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One of my favourites is To thee, O Lord, our hearts we raise , a harvest hymn with a tune by Sullivan. IMO verse 3 is the best ...
I have less fond memories of ploughing through all 8 verses of The voice that breathed o'er Eden at weddings...
Favourite? Well, I can't think of ANY liturgy that wouldn't be enhanced by Let all the world in every corner sing: wonderful words by George Herbert and there are TWO fine tunes - Luckington or Universal Praise.
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They sing Think of a World without any flowers at my local church on Remembrance Sunday. It's the only day the uniformed organisations come to church and I think that's why they choose it.
But then this place had the cremation hymn Colours of Day the other week. It's like sitting in my school assembly from 1989...
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SvitlanaV2
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Originally posted by Rosa Winkel:
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Originally posted by SvitlanaV2:
When I was at primary school we sang;
The child is black
The child is white
Together we learn
To read and write.
I seem to know "The ink is black, the page is white", though I doubt I sung that in church.
Yes, it's the same one, but different verses. I sang it at primary school, not at church.
At school I think we sang a number of songs about children of different 'races' coming together. I don't know if schools still sing that type of song. Adults are more nervous about referring to race now, and there's probably less optimism about interracial mixing, since social - and consequently racial segregation - is decreasing in British schools.
As for 'We have an anchor',I love that hymn, but learnt it because I joined a Caribbean choir. I didn't know it was a Methodist hymn; if I'd just stuck with hymns from the ordinary Methodist services I regularly attended I'd never have come across it.
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We had the ink and page song at school, also one that involved being an astronaut which I recall liking but can't remember.
Will your anchor hold i still use occasionally in services but it always reminds me of Boys Brigade services with the Sure and Steadfast link.
Think of a world without any flowers is in Hymns and Psalms the Uk Methodist hymnbook (mid '80's?) only just replaced and not in my patch. I've not sung it since I was a teen though it was in church as well as earlier in primary school, and never the full list of verses that go on and on.
As for Kumbaya - it is still used, I have heard it in an assembly in the past year. But also a good pattern for adding their own words to.
Growing up in south wales it was joked that it was a local dialect Cwm by yere... hey we were kids and jokes hard to come by!
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Think of a World was a childhood favourite of mine. I would play it on the piano and sing it with my friends, and in the third verse I sang the recorder line as a descant. I can still remember it nearly 40 years later!
'The ink is black' was from the same A&C Black book. It was a pop song too, with a reggae feel. I often heard it on the radio.
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