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Is it really a good example of how we are known for our love for one another if as soon as there's a disagreement about the way ministry is done, our first, or even second, reaction is to snitch to the headmaster?
Oh FFS. It's not about 'snitching to the headmaster'. It is about a proper pastoral concern for both the parish and the minister. IME a person in any position of responsibility who just gives up- which is what seems to be happening here- is often in need of help. Even if s/he is not, the people to whom s/he has a responsibility- in this case, I mean the parish/ congregation- usually will be.
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[B[...meaningful intercessions...[/B]
I'm lothe to state the bleedin' obvious but there shouldn't be any other kind?
Or are you saying, as a minister, that the intercessions in your own place are more often of the 'shopping list' variety? If so then, as minister, surely it is down to you to ensure that people who lead intercessions are taught/ advised/ encouraged to draw them up in a certain way.
In any case, rather than bellyaching about whether people's intentions are right in being at a carol service, wouldn't it be better to rejoice that they are there are move on from that point.
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Although I don't think it is quite germane to the point of this thread, I think that's a very good question to ask. And most people wouldn't be able to give you an answer, except that "It's tradition" or "It's what churches do". Yet, as you rightly point out, it's not that old - the same as those two other "essentials" of the Church Year, Harvest Thanksgiving and Remembrance Sunday.
When I have queried this service, I usually get some replies along the line of "It brings people back together" (i.e. loved ones and friends who never go to church at other times of year"; or that, by bringing people into church, that it is evangelistic. After all, people are hearing the Bible passages about the birth of the Christ-child.
It is my contention that many people just enjoy singing the carols, grimly bear the more modern offerings foisted on them by the choir director, and let the readings wash over them in the mellow candlelit atmosphere. What they don't do is interact with the story in any meaningful personal and theological way.
I would personally love to scrap our lessons and carls service and do something quite different. But there have been howls of protest whenever I have suggested it. I have at least managed to bring in a couple of reflective poems or readings, meaningful intercessions and a short but carefully thought-out sermon - all with the aim of making people stop and think (we don't do the full nine lessons, so there is time for these things).
There have been one or two grumblings among those who see it largely as a musical occasion, but mostly the reaction has been positive.
BT's right on the money. I remember going to a carol service once and commenting (when asked) that the diction was a bit unclear on the choir items. The idea that I was actually wanting to hear the words was considered bizarre.
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Originally posted by L'organist:
posted by Baptist tTrainfan quote:
[B[...meaningful intercessions...[/B]
I'm lothe to state the bleedin' obvious but there shouldn't be any other kind?
Or are you saying, as a minister, that the intercessions in your own place are more often of the 'shopping list' variety? If so then, as minister, surely it is down to you to ensure that people who lead intercessions are taught/ advised/ encouraged to draw them up in a certain way.
In any case, rather than bellyaching about whether people's intentions are right in being at a carol service, wouldn't it be better to rejoice that they are there are move on from that point.
The point I was really making is that the intercessions in a carol service of this kind are either vague and formulaic, or non-existent. But I take your point absolutely with reference to other services.
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The prayers at a carol service should not be 'prayer lite' - in fact I'd go further and say this is an opportunity to show transient attendees that the church prays for everyone.
If you're looking for a template you could do worse than look at the Bidding Prayer written by Milner-White for his Festival of Nine Lessons and Carols - its pretty comprehensive, although you might want to expand certain sections according to your own concerns.
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...meaningful intercessions...
I'm lothe to state the bleedin' obvious but there shouldn't be any other kind? ...
That gets a ![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif)
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A shopping list is more "meaningful intercessions" than the sentimental misplaced address-to-the-congregation-rephrased-as-an-address-to-God with fluffy aspirations and self congratulatory references that I've know all too often.
Naming specific persons and situations (without telling God what to do about them) avoids that.
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My pet hate is the intercessor who starts off petitions with "That you might ..." or similar.
As in "I might go shopping on Monday unless it rains".
Plain stupid.
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Intercessions reflect the concerns of the people. This can be specific...eg we need rain or general...peace would be good.
They can be local...travellers during holiday times or global...ebola.
They relate these concerns to a desire to do God's will in whatever situation, capacity we have.
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I cringe at prayers that contain the phrase 'we just want to thank you/ask you' etc ad infinitum instead of simply saying thank you Lord. It seems that some people feel the need to use a special language in prayer that they would not normally use.
Thanks for all the thoughtful replies on my carols dilemma. I doubt if anything will change here except that I have been asked to sing in messiah the same day, so I might decide to jump ship and do this.
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I cringe at prayers that contain the phrase 'we just want to thank you/ask you' etc ad infinitum instead of simply saying thank you Lord.
Ah, the Prayers of the Just...!
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My pet hate is the intercessor who starts off petitions with "That you might ..." or similar.
That is avoided if the biddings are grammatically addressed to the congregation, giving them something to pray for, rather than addressed to God.
ie. Let us pray for Christopher our bishop
NOT Dear father God, we just really want to pray for our bishop Christopher and the many difficult decisions he has to make. Guide him in his work and on and on and on....
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Originally posted by bib:
I cringe at prayers that contain the phrase 'we just want to thank you/ask you' etc ad infinitum instead of simply saying thank you Lord.
I know these as Jesus Weejus prayers: "Jesus Weejus thank you, and Jesus Weejus bless you..." etc.
Having shared that bit of snark, I am happy that anyone is praying at all! I would rather hear Jesus Weejus than condescending refusals to pray at all.
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Originally posted by L'organist:
My pet hate is the intercessor who starts off petitions with "That you might ..." or similar.
As in "I might go shopping on Monday unless it rains".
Plain stupid.
I'm not quite sure what you're referring to there. I like petitions introduced in that way, like this:
"That you might grant to N, our bishop, and to all his/her people your Spirit of unity and love, we pray to you, O Lord.
Lord, hear our prayer."
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Oh Basilica, have you no faith?
Might expresses possibility, chance or permission - he said he might be late
or a possibility relying on an unfulfilled condition - we might have won had we played better.
So your sample intercession quote:
That you might grant to N, our bishop, and to all his/her people your Spirit of unity and love, we pray to you, O Lord
can be interpreted
There is a chance you could give our bishop, and possibly their flock as well, your Spirit of unity and love - of course this could be dependent on our prayers because if we don't pray for us to be imbued with your Spirit it may not happen - but we pray to you anyway.
Is that really your intention?
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The pressure to hold a Carol Service before 24th December is now irresistible unless you are quite sure that the congregation and choir will turn up. Not many churches will be in a position to do that, but those who can ought to.
I go with the modern tendency to hold a Carol Service on Advent 4, preferably in the evening, and, with the exception of children's services, that will be the first time any Christmas-specific hymns and carols will be sung. Until that service, it will all be Advent and general hymns except for the children's Christmas Tree service or whatever it's called this year.
I have no mission of having a Carol Service on the Sunday after Christmas. Turnout would be dreadful, as it is now such an important part of family time over the holiday.
On top of that, this year I will almost certainly need to take Christmas Day and the Sunday after Christmas off for family reasons!
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Originally posted by L'organist:
Oh Basilica, have you no faith?
Might expresses possibility, chance or permission - he said he might be late
or a possibility relying on an unfulfilled condition - we might have won had we played better.
So your sample intercession quote:
That you might grant to N, our bishop, and to all his/her people your Spirit of unity and love, we pray to you, O Lord
can be interpreted
There is a chance you could give our bishop, and possibly their flock as well, your Spirit of unity and love - of course this could be dependent on our prayers because if we don't pray for us to be imbued with your Spirit it may not happen - but we pray to you anyway.
Is that really your intention?
Nonsense: "might" in this context is the subjunctive of "may". It's slightly eccentric from sequence-of-tense perspective (I'd personally use "may" here, or omit the word altogether) but it's perfectly acceptable English grammar.
It's little different from "We pray, O Lord, that you might grant to N, our bishop, and to all his/her people your Spirit of unity and love." It is the construction that I was taught to call the "indirect command", though apparently no one else does.
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Agreed. To pray (or ask) for something implies a measure of doubt as to the response - however certain we may feel about it! - and automatically attracts the subjunctive. "Might" is correct, "will" is not.
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If you don't mind me saying, this is nonsense.
Nobody asks God to do something with the vague thought that perhaps he might do it if he isn't too busy etc etc etc. , but we don't really mind if he doesn't.
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That you might grant to N, our bishop, and to all his/her people your Spirit of unity and love, we pray to you, O Lord
Is a more polite way of approaching a superior and saying
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Please, please, please give N, our bishop, and all his/her people your Spirit of unity and love, but we want to say this politely because you are sovereign, and bigger than we are.
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God already knows what he is going to do vis-a-vis the bishop, and is unlikely to be swayed by our opinion.
Wouldn't it be better to pray for the bishop, that he **might** set his foot upon the path that God has prepared for him to trod.
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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
Wouldn't it be better to pray for the bishop, that he **might** set his foot upon the path that God has prepared for him to trod.
[grammar police] tread, not trod [/grammar police]
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Nonsense: "might" in this context is the subjunctive of "may". It's slightly eccentric from sequence-of-tense perspective (I'd personally use "may" here, or omit the word altogether) but it's perfectly acceptable English grammar.
Balderdash.
The subjunctive of may is may: might is the simple past of the verb.
If you want proof (other than close reading of Fowler) look no further than The Litany quote:
That it may please thee to illuminate all Bishops, Priests, and Deacons, with true knowledge and understanding ...
Whence may children absorb correct language and usage if not from public speech?
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That it may please thee to illuminate all Bishops, Priests, and Deacons, with true knowledge and understanding ...
Oh dear. If they did that, they might start swimming rivers.
Miss Amanda will get her wrap and go do penance for forgetting how to conjugate "to tread".
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If true (and I can only assume it is some sort of mis-print) Sherborne Abbey seem to be able to trump the OP by having two school carol services in SEPTEMBER:
http://www.sherborneabbey.com/choir/musiclist.php?m=9&y=2014
Unless a "School carol service" has some sort of local significance that escapes me, I can only pray that is is error (and they are really beginning of term services of some sort) It would be early even for Michealmas, let alone Christmas...
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If I had to guess I'd think it was meant to say harvest service rather than carol service.
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Or an editorial aberration (cut-and-paste leads to many mistakes!)
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The importance of proof-reading cannot be over-stated.
Its one thing to face a hymn with the last lines
Prostate before thy throne to lie
And gaze and gaze on thee.
and I've been asked to pray for His Majesty King George more than once; but its quite another to try to get a choir to sing at all when they see the next thing is
The choir will sing Penis Angelicus by Cesar Franck ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif)
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It's not primarily a liturgical atrocity; it is evangelically stupid and a catechetical catastrophe.
Church isn't a Hallmark card. The services teach. Teaching the Nativity in Advent is disastrous malpractice. And, your music director is an idiot.
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Yes, this is just stupid. I am myself a priest, and would not allow this in my church.
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Hallelujah! Victory today when the music director admitted his error in programming the carols for Advent Sunday. They have been moved to the Sunday before Christmas. The choir is ecstatic. I still don't understand his thinking about Advent, but hopefully we can work on him.
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Hallelujah! Victory today when the music director admitted his error in programming the carols for Advent Sunday. They have been moved to the Sunday before Christmas. The choir is ecstatic. I still don't understand his thinking about Advent, but hopefully we can work on him.
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I'd like to think it was my 'nagging' that changed his mind, but I think it was the fact that there is another big event on in my city at the same time to which I think a great many people would want to go in preference to the carol service. However, I'm hoping they will come to our service on December 21st.
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I can't help but think it's not a complete victory since the 4th Sunday of Advent is still very much not Christmas.
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I think that's a debate we've already had upthread ...
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The 21st December isn't quite Christmas, but it is the best compromise we could negotiate. I hope no other shipmates have had to go through all of this at their churches.
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Well done bib and I hope that your service is a very happy and valuable occasion.
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I can't help but think it's not a complete victory since the 4th Sunday of Advent is still very much not Christmas.
Being the Church should not, IMV, be about winning victories.
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We avoid having arguments over a carol service before Christmas by having an Epiphany one instead - lots of Epiphany carols followed by a party with lots of food, drink and conviviality ![[Smile]](smile.gif) .
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Can't see that an Epiphany service would work in Australia as so many people go away for their Summer holidays immediately following Christmas. In fact our church choir is on a well deserved holiday over January.
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Which seems to suggest that an over-rigid approach is simply inappropriate. Each parish and church must work out what "fits" best in its situation ... while not necessarily "selling out" entirely to popular culture. It's a fine balance!
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Liturgically speaking, which church season do you feel is the least appreciated, pop culture-wise?
Advent has to be right up there, no? We don't have much 'waiting penitentially' among our post-post-podern lives any more, really.
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Easter is a problem in the southern hemisphere. Season of mists and yellow fruitfullness?? doesn't tie in so easily with "new". it is even less compatible with secular Easter!
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Liturgically speaking, which church season do you feel is the least appreciated, pop culture-wise?
Advent has to be right up there, no? We don't have much 'waiting penitentially' among our post-post-podern lives any more, really.
Epiphany. The three wise men are done with by Christmas afternoon. Few people keep the Twelve Days now -- you see trees chucked out from New Year's Day. 6 January is much more likely to see people talking about their diet than the gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh.
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Originally posted by Basilica:
You see trees chucked out from New Year's Day.
I've seen them put out on Boxing Day!!!
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Originally posted by Basilica:
You see trees chucked out from New Year's Day.
I've seen them put out on Boxing Day!!!
"Boxing Day: the day when you put all your decorations back in their boxes."
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Liturgically speaking, which church season do you feel is the least appreciated, pop culture-wise?
Advent has to be right up there, no? We don't have much 'waiting penitentially' among our post-post-podern lives any more, really.
I think people appreciate the idea, just not its timing. The only time I've felt I've really been able to live Advent properly for the mere three and a half weeks the church asks of us (on average) was as a novice, when I was secluded on a mountain in Colorado.
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Originally posted by bib:
I cringe at prayers that contain the phrase 'we just want to thank you/ask you' etc ad infinitum instead of simply saying thank you Lord.
I know these as Jesus Weejus prayers: "Jesus Weejus thank you, and Jesus Weejus bless you..." etc.
Having shared that bit of snark, I am happy that anyone is praying at all! I would rather hear Jesus Weejus than condescending refusals to pray at all.
Strange how they have keep-alive strings in there as well - or do those prayers go through packet fragmentation?
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