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Arethosemyfeet
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If I had to guess I'd think it was meant to say harvest service rather than carol service.
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Baptist Trainfan
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Or an editorial aberration (cut-and-paste leads to many mistakes!)
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L'organist
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The importance of proof-reading cannot be over-stated.
Its one thing to face a hymn with the last lines
Prostate before thy throne to lie
And gaze and gaze on thee.
and I've been asked to pray for His Majesty King George more than once; but its quite another to try to get a choir to sing at all when they see the next thing is
The choir will sing Penis Angelicus by Cesar Franck ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif)
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k-mann
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Originally posted by The Silent Acolyte:
It's not primarily a liturgical atrocity; it is evangelically stupid and a catechetical catastrophe.
Church isn't a Hallmark card. The services teach. Teaching the Nativity in Advent is disastrous malpractice. And, your music director is an idiot.
![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) Where is the like button when you need it?
Yes, this is just stupid. I am myself a priest, and would not allow this in my church.
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bib
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Hallelujah! Victory today when the music director admitted his error in programming the carols for Advent Sunday. They have been moved to the Sunday before Christmas. The choir is ecstatic. I still don't understand his thinking about Advent, but hopefully we can work on him.
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Pigwidgeon
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Originally posted by bib:
Hallelujah! Victory today when the music director admitted his error in programming the carols for Advent Sunday. They have been moved to the Sunday before Christmas. The choir is ecstatic. I still don't understand his thinking about Advent, but hopefully we can work on him.
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bib
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I'd like to think it was my 'nagging' that changed his mind, but I think it was the fact that there is another big event on in my city at the same time to which I think a great many people would want to go in preference to the carol service. However, I'm hoping they will come to our service on December 21st.
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BulldogSacristan
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I can't help but think it's not a complete victory since the 4th Sunday of Advent is still very much not Christmas.
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Baptist Trainfan
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I think that's a debate we've already had upthread ...
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bib
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The 21st December isn't quite Christmas, but it is the best compromise we could negotiate. I hope no other shipmates have had to go through all of this at their churches.
[ 06. October 2014, 23:23: Message edited by: bib ]
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Albertus
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Well done bib and I hope that your service is a very happy and valuable occasion.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by BulldogSacristan:
I can't help but think it's not a complete victory since the 4th Sunday of Advent is still very much not Christmas.
Being the Church should not, IMV, be about winning victories.
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Pine Marten
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We avoid having arguments over a carol service before Christmas by having an Epiphany one instead - lots of Epiphany carols followed by a party with lots of food, drink and conviviality ![[Smile]](smile.gif) .
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bib
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Can't see that an Epiphany service would work in Australia as so many people go away for their Summer holidays immediately following Christmas. In fact our church choir is on a well deserved holiday over January.
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Baptist Trainfan
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Which seems to suggest that an over-rigid approach is simply inappropriate. Each parish and church must work out what "fits" best in its situation ... while not necessarily "selling out" entirely to popular culture. It's a fine balance!
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The Riv
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Liturgically speaking, which church season do you feel is the least appreciated, pop culture-wise?
Advent has to be right up there, no? We don't have much 'waiting penitentially' among our post-post-podern lives any more, really.
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Roselyn
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Easter is a problem in the southern hemisphere. Season of mists and yellow fruitfullness?? doesn't tie in so easily with "new". it is even less compatible with secular Easter!
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Basilica
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Originally posted by The Riv:
Liturgically speaking, which church season do you feel is the least appreciated, pop culture-wise?
Advent has to be right up there, no? We don't have much 'waiting penitentially' among our post-post-podern lives any more, really.
Epiphany. The three wise men are done with by Christmas afternoon. Few people keep the Twelve Days now -- you see trees chucked out from New Year's Day. 6 January is much more likely to see people talking about their diet than the gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh.
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Baptist Trainfan
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Originally posted by Basilica:
You see trees chucked out from New Year's Day.
I've seen them put out on Boxing Day!!!
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Basilica
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
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Originally posted by Basilica:
You see trees chucked out from New Year's Day.
I've seen them put out on Boxing Day!!!
"Boxing Day: the day when you put all your decorations back in their boxes."
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Adam.
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Originally posted by The Riv:
Liturgically speaking, which church season do you feel is the least appreciated, pop culture-wise?
Advent has to be right up there, no? We don't have much 'waiting penitentially' among our post-post-podern lives any more, really.
I think people appreciate the idea, just not its timing. The only time I've felt I've really been able to live Advent properly for the mere three and a half weeks the church asks of us (on average) was as a novice, when I was secluded on a mountain in Colorado.
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Alex Cockell
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Originally posted by Leaf:
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Originally posted by bib:
I cringe at prayers that contain the phrase 'we just want to thank you/ask you' etc ad infinitum instead of simply saying thank you Lord.
I know these as Jesus Weejus prayers: "Jesus Weejus thank you, and Jesus Weejus bless you..." etc.
Having shared that bit of snark, I am happy that anyone is praying at all! I would rather hear Jesus Weejus than condescending refusals to pray at all.
Strange how they have keep-alive strings in there as well - or do those prayers go through packet fragmentation?
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