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orfeo
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Yup.
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Indeed. That's what takes me away from thinking of him as being a oh-so-thought-things-through Liberal. He has heart.
Oi! I take great offence at that.
Are you saying us thinking liberals have no heart?
Au contraire. We just wrap our bleeding hearts in cold, hard reason. Protective mechanism ya know?
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Originally posted by LeRoc:
I thought only Linear B was deciphered?
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Lamb Chopped
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Martin, would you fucking please stop bagging all over Christendom? According to you lately, Christianity is responsible for every evil since humanity crawled out from under a rock.
Witness:
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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
While we wait for God to change the hearts and minds of these innocent barbarians (you and me but for the 'grace of God': time and chance), what do we do? Blast them off the Mosul dam? We - that's Christendom - created this nightmare with our money, our trade, our foreign policy since 1914-17-2014, our religion, so yes it's impossible to just stop our juggernaut and its effects. President Obama is doing a remarkably nuanced, restrained, minimal, positive, engaged job in undoing the damage of his predecessor. He's still killing killers. Causing them to kill more. Because, as usual, Christianity does, says, thinks NOTHING.
I could gather more quotes, but ![[Projectile]](graemlins/puke2.gif) .
Look, some of us* in Christianity/Christendom/whatever are trying our damndest to do things right. We fuck up, of course. But it isn't making things better when you're shooting at us from our own side. We manage to guilt ourselves to death quite well already, thank you.
Give us a break, and consider showing some mercy on your fellow believers. Because it's damned hard to do anybody any good when you're dodging fire from both directions.
* most of us IMHO
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ChastMastr
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Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
Look, some of us* in Christianity/Christendom/whatever are trying our damndest to do things right. We fuck up, of course. But it isn't making things better when you're shooting at us from our own side. We manage to guilt ourselves to death quite well already, thank you.
Give us a break, and consider showing some mercy on your fellow believers. Because it's damned hard to do anybody any good when you're dodging fire from both directions.
Amen. I love you, Martin, but amen.
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Best Hell thread in a long time! ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Martin60
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Indeed.
And I use the term Christendom provocatively, yes, as if the medieval geopolitical power was extant. Which in a sense it is, just under the surface of Western civilization, which it spawned, with a billion-odd adherents, responsible still more than any other force for the state of the world.
Even Pope Frank is getting violent now. How sad. How partisan. How understandable.
Even I said God bless America when they relatively surgically struck the IS. How sad ...
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Lamb Chopped
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Fine. I'm provoked. Are you going to engage with my point?
Because it fucking pisses me off and tires me out when I spend the morning dealing with refugee X's problems and then drop onto the Ship for a moment to be told that Christianity, of which I am a part, is a dreadful rotten no-good very bad instigator of Everything Bad in the Universe. And it continues to annoy the fucking hell out of me until I go back to what I really ought to be doing, which is calling a fucking credit counseling agency for refugee Y and setting up an appointment, before following up with refugee Z whose brother is on the verge of being indicted for attempted murder.
I mean, bloody hell. How am I suppose to get my fair share of oppressing the world done in the chinks of time in between these things? Might have to give up the Ship to do it properly. Can't let Christendom down, you know.
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Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
Fine. I'm provoked. Are you going to engage with my point?
Because it fucking pisses me off and tires me out when I spend the morning dealing with refugee X's problems and then drop onto the Ship for a moment to be told that Christianity, of which I am a part, is a dreadful rotten no-good very bad instigator of Everything Bad in the Universe. And it continues to annoy the fucking hell out of me until I go back to what I really ought to be doing, which is calling a fucking credit counseling agency for refugee Y and setting up an appointment, before following up with refugee Z whose brother is on the verge of being indicted for attempted murder.
I mean, bloody hell. How am I suppose to get my fair share of oppressing the world done in the chinks of time in between these things? Might have to give up the Ship to do it properly. Can't let Christendom down, you know.
Let's face it Lamb - I doubt if we'll get far with Martin. He seems to be treated as an endangered species on the ship.
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Beeswax Altar
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originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
Fine. I'm provoked. Are you going to engage with my point?
You are waiting for Martin to defend any of the nonsense he spouts about Christendom?
Don't hold your breath.
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Beeswax Altar
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Originally posted by Lamb Chopped:
Fine. I'm provoked. Are you going to engage with my point?
Because it fucking pisses me off and tires me out when I spend the morning dealing with refugee X's problems and then drop onto the Ship for a moment to be told that Christianity, of which I am a part, is a dreadful rotten no-good very bad instigator of Everything Bad in the Universe. And it continues to annoy the fucking hell out of me until I go back to what I really ought to be doing, which is calling a fucking credit counseling agency for refugee Y and setting up an appointment, before following up with refugee Z whose brother is on the verge of being indicted for attempted murder.
I mean, bloody hell. How am I suppose to get my fair share of oppressing the world done in the chinks of time in between these things? Might have to give up the Ship to do it properly. Can't let Christendom down, you know.
Lamb Chopped...Lamb Chopped...Lamb Chopped...
You are an American. America is a Christian nation. Therefore, the Vietnam War was a Christian war. Because it was a Christian war, the North Vietnamese were on the side of the angels. Hence, every negative consequence that stems from the Vietnam War is the fault of Christianity and American Christians of which you are one. So, working with the Vietnamese refugees is really the least you can do to make up for the part you played demonic Christian war in Vietnam.
Christendom is also responsible for the deaths of Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and the Big Bopper. That's right, Lamb Chopped. You killed the music.
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Lamb Chopped
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I don't think he's an endangered species at all--I think he's quite clever and knows what he's doing when he winds people up. In fact, much of the time I like him--but I loathe this anti-Christian schtick, and especially the grand arrogant tone with which he pronounces it. Fair sets my teeth on edge.
Nor do I have any beef with how he's been treated--he's been pulled up sharply before, and is probably sailing pretty near the wind again.
And no, I don't think he's going to give me satisfaction on this, though I'd be glad to be pleasantly surprised. But I'll want more than an apology--I want to see a change. "Loving your neighbor" includes loving your Christian neighbor, and treating them, too, as Christ has treated you.
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Lamb Chopped
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Beeswax Altar, you're right. (sobs) I was two bloody years old at the time, and I singlehandedly managed to destroy the peace and harmony of the entire Southeast Asian region. (It was the diapers that did it)
Oh, I forgot. Me and bloody Christendom.
I'm eeeeeeeeevillllll, I tell you, eeeeeevillll.
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Nah, I pretty much agree with the OP. MPC is pretty much a wanker (as is the OP though).
His posts cover up a lack of actual content.
Meaningless drivel masquerading as intellectual high-mindedness.
But I think that about most of you anyway so he's nowt special.
Been on me holidays. Back now. Have you missed me?
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The Christian institution , Christendom, whatever it is or isn't, does have a lot to answer for where love, forgiveness and peace are concerned.
100 years ago it wrought the exact opposite and I've yet to come across a satisfactory explanation as why this was so , although I think Martin came close with his phrase 'Book people'.
A person who truly loves their God, and uses this as a mechanism to love others and to discern good and bad in their own heart does , OtOH , have nothing over which they should reproach themselves.
Of course an individual Christian may fail , even on a daily basis , but when Christendom fails as a whole, as it did a Century ago, the results are spectacularly more devastating and hard to fathom.
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Martin60
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Not at my age and with diabetes etc, etc deano, you?
Lamb Chopped. God bless you. The good that you do shines in the darkness.
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Martin60
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Talking of wankers, that's a nice fallacy you got there Beeswax.
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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
Not at my age and with diabetes etc, etc deano, you?
Lamb Chopped. God bless you. The good that you do shines in the darkness.
Now and again, if the mood takes me. But I wasn't accusing you of the act, I was using it in the sense of a common, vulgar insult. Oh dear, wasn't my post clear?
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Martin60
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As a bell dear, hence my confusing. See my comment on the ISIS thread.
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Martin60
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Rosa.
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Beeswax Altar
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Well, maybe Rosa could point out an actual fallacy I'm making. Martin sure can't. He never does preferring instead to make vague and unsubstantiated claims. Perhaps Rosa prefers to take the Martin approach. It is easier.
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Lamb Chopped
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Martin, you're doing a reverse ad hominem. Complimenting me isn't engaging with the point. Please?
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Lamb Chopped. I didn't JUST compliment you. I acknowledge the good done by Christianity. The work of the Holy Spirit, the fruits of the Spirit empowered above and beyond any natural capability.
That good is all but swamped by mediocrity, by legalism, ritual, by silence, acquiescence and worse, on and on and ON. WE are pathetic. There's two billion of us. You'd suspect that a burger that was 30% salt would taste salty.
Even now there is NO clear voice, even from saint George, on how to respond to 'our' enemies, 'the' enemies of civilization; civilization - Babylon - is, we are, the enemy.
And we can't help it. We're innocent in this. The arc is incredibly long.
I accept that things happen at the margin and the positive influence of Christianity - of the fruits of the Spirit, of love - in 2000 years is probably disproportionate to its, His, marginal presence in us. But it's hard to see the God of history in history. And that's an understatement. Where is the synergy of our individually being a blessing? We'd miss it if it weren't there, but cannot discern it while it is. Like God in creation generally.
I expect too much of us I'm sure. This is it and will be for more hundreds of thousands of years.
Counsel me, on what I should feel and think and say and do.
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orfeo
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I don't think I'd equate Christianity with Christendom. I suspect Martin doesn't either.
Usually it's either right-wing loonies or Muslim fanatics who treat the West as some kind of monolithic Christian land.
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I don't think I'd equate Christianity with Christendom...
...Muslim fanatics (who) treat the West as some kind of monolithic Christian land.
The state's main competence, I have been led to understand (Dooyeweerd, the judicial aspect) is the provision of law.
It is my guess that people who follow religions based in law might find it hard to imagine a religion as existing separately from the state. Some (eg IS) see the state as a necessary precondition for the proper practice of their religion. I expect that cultural/religious view bleeds all over their view of everyone else, Christians included.
As a tangent, the Chinese seem to have recently got their heads around this (render unto Caesar, etc), and the benefits to the historic West of an internalised Christian morality amongst some of the populace acting counter to the corruption problems always present with an externally applied state law. A happy result is that Christian churches are far more widely tolerated (and, I'm told, in some cases encouraged) there than was previously the case.
It's hard for the English. We're so very sorry for all the shit which must have happened to make us so wealthy, back in the day when 'we' were important. I guess US folks have that feeling coming. It may be some time before the Chinese are beating their breasts in shame over their current neo-colonial exploits in Africa; I wonder if the expansion of the Christian church in China means that if and when they do, they will do so in the name of christendom.
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Originally posted by Beeswax Altar:
Well, maybe Rosa could point out an actual fallacy I'm making. Martin sure can't. He never does preferring instead to make vague and unsubstantiated claims. Perhaps Rosa prefers to take the Martin approach. It is easier.
Your claim that big protests lead to riots. You ended up qualifying it, but your initial statement was hyperbole. Your claim that Martin is only popular among some due to his supposed change to left-wing views is another one.
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I trust you got the double entendre Rosa?
He's missed his glaringly obvious non sequitur of course.
[ 21. August 2014, 21:16: Message edited by: Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard ]
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And orfeo, I'm not a right-wing loony any more so I must be a ... ?
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... complete fucking loony?
Is that the answer? "Complete fucking loony"?
I'll go with complete fucking loony!
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I like Martin
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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
And orfeo, I'm not a right-wing loony any more so I must be a ... ?
Well, that depends on whether or not you are indeed intending to equate Christianity with Christendom, doesn't it?
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Originally posted by deano:
... complete fucking loony?
Is that the answer? "Complete fucking loony"?
I'll go with complete fucking loony!
Might be celibate.
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What do you think orfeo?
deano's right of course. Well as right as a person who is blinded, as the vast majority of Christians have been, by seeing darkness as light.
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And no I'm not a wanker. Therefore I am a ...
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Originally posted by ChastMastr:
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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
And no I'm not a wanker. Therefore I am a ...
... wankee? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
What do you think orfeo?
deano's right of course. Well as right as a person who is blinded, as the vast majority of Christians have been, by seeing darkness as light.
I already said what I thought. I said I suspected you weren't trying to equate the two. You can confirm or deny my suspicion or just leave me to my own thoughts, it's up to you. But the conversation won't get much further without some kind of positive contribution form you.
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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
Lamb Chopped. I didn't JUST compliment you. I acknowledge the good done by Christianity. The work of the Holy Spirit, the fruits of the Spirit empowered above and beyond any natural capability.
That good is all but swamped by mediocrity, by legalism, ritual, by silence, acquiescence and worse, on and on and ON. WE are pathetic. There's two billion of us. You'd suspect that a burger that was 30% salt would taste salty.
Even now there is NO clear voice, even from saint George, on how to respond to 'our' enemies, 'the' enemies of civilization; civilization - Babylon - is, we are, the enemy.
And we can't help it. We're innocent in this. The arc is incredibly long.
I accept that things happen at the margin and the positive influence of Christianity - of the fruits of the Spirit, of love - in 2000 years is probably disproportionate to its, His, marginal presence in us. But it's hard to see the God of history in history. And that's an understatement. Where is the synergy of our individually being a blessing? We'd miss it if it weren't there, but cannot discern it while it is. Like God in creation generally.
I expect too much of us I'm sure. This is it and will be for more hundreds of thousands of years.
Counsel me, on what I should feel and think and say and do.
First of all, please never compliment me again. Because you don't know what I do in real life, and what I fail to do, well enough. I could be a fucking liar, you know. And more importantly, because you've used it multiple times to divert attention from an important issue--namely, your behavior toward fellow Christians.
Second, it's Captain Obvious time again. "Love your neighbor as yourself." Your Christian neighbor, as well as your nonChristian neighbor. I'm going to dip into Luther since he puts it far better than I do:
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We should fear and love God that we may not deceitfully belie, betray, slander, or defame our neighbor, but defend him, speak well of him, and put the best construction on everything.
I'll give you a pass on the lying bit. But notice the rest of it--the positive side of the eighth commandment, which is a tiny slice of the Great Commandment. "Defend him, speak well of him, and put the best construction on everything." You manage to do this for the Muslims and just about every nonChristian group I've seen you mention. Now do it for the Christians as well--and yes, this includes whichever particular Christians you are referring to when you say "Christendom," even crusaders and presidents are your neighbor--and then you'll be doing well.
Seriously, the Christian Church doesn't need relentless, continuous attack from you. The effect on readers--on me, anyway--is either rage or a helpless feeling of "what the fuck, I've tried so hard and this is what we get? Why even try?" Is that the response you want? Seriously, you're on the internet, dude. Do you want to be discouraging the hell out of any number of random Christians who come across your posts on a day when they're already feeling beaten down? Why add to their burdens?
You've done that complimenting thing many times, and I start to realize why it bugs me. You are separating me out, mentally, from Christianity. Or Christendom. Whatever. Basically you are saying that my reactions to your negative posts don't matter because I'm not part of the group you are attacking. Think again. I am fucking Christendom. In all my flaws AND in my Christlike moments. And so are the other people who toil away quietly around the world, unnoticed, in slums and hospitals and offices and battlefields. And so are the victims who suffer from oppression and war and rape and mental illness, from racism and sexism and every other kind of ism, even sometimes at the hands of their fellow Christians, and yet cling to Christ. They, and we, are Christendom together.
Work on building us all up, would you? Please. PLEASE.
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Good counsel.
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Thank you Lamb Chopped. I repent of discouraging you and anyone and everyone else. Please forgive me. Your brother Martin.
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If you look for sanctification and the presence of the Spirit in the "God of history" as you call it, you will inevitably be disappointed because we usually hear only the Bad News.
And there certainly is Bad News.
But IMO, the Good News outweighs the Bad News. You just have to look at different sources and see the small stuff on the ground.
The small stuff matters and it is most definitely there. As you said, you'd miss it if it wasn't.
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Martin60
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Thanks Evensong. The link doesn't 'work' for me. Lamb Chopped does more than they can know. But I know I'm a repeat offender. Although it's never quite the same stream twice. I really, REALLY don't want to discourage. Yet I do. From my discouragement.
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nb: Link OK for me.
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Pyx_e
Quixotic Tilter
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Martin. I hope by now you know I have big love for you.
The father of lies will always try and find a way to drag us all "off course." Having swept your old house clean you fall into one of his favourite traps.
As has been pointed out, the only thing you get to comment on is your relationship, your hope, your faith, your love.
You have no idea how much love, faith and hope is going on right now because the VAST majority of it is done humbly and unseen.
Chin up dude, chin up. Put a smile on and stop being such an eeyore. If it is troubling you too much go and do someone else some good.
[ 23. August 2014, 15:09: Message edited by: Pyx_e ]
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It is better to be Kind than right.
Posts: 9778 | From: The Dark Tower | Registered: May 2001
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ChastMastr
Shipmate
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Originally posted by Martin PC not & Ship's Biohazard:
Thank you Lamb Chopped. I repent of discouraging you and anyone and everyone else. Please forgive me. Your brother Martin.
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Posts: 14068 | From: Clearwater, Florida | Registered: Jul 2001
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Martin60
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# 368
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Pyx_e. Thanks. A LOT. That's HUGE. And incredibly difficult. I'm helplessly privileged. There's NO ONE I can help today. No one. No one at church apart from being pleasant back to everyone and gregarious as I am, there was NO ONE who needed my attention. Quite remarkable. No one at home either. There's a guy a couple of blocks away and he's really difficult to 'serve'. That niggles.
My stepson stayed for a day, that was great. I make the point of loving him unconditionally in his Holocaust denial. I see my son tomorrow.
Then there's deano here, bless him.
Well must get on with prepping windows to paint.
And I did see my wife DO something after the sermon about rebuilding Jerusalem with prayer, going and sitting with a new, poor single mum who'd evangelized along a friend in a wheel chair. And 150 people came to Saturday Messy Church, the majority otherwise 'un-churched' mothers and children. So yes, grace is quietly abounding everywhere. I MUST emphasize that to myself above all.
Keep the still small voices coming brothers and sisters. Or the kicks in the bollocks whichever is appropriate.
I need to explore what you said in particular Lamb Chopped, but have to mull more.
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Posts: 17586 | From: Never Dobunni after all. Corieltauvi after all. Just moved to the capital. | Registered: Jun 2001
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Lamb Chopped
Ship's kebab
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Well, I get the joy of learning to love my freakin' enemies at our Saturday church, where two/three of them have just jumped all over my OCD son for asking questions during church.
fuckfuckfuckfuckfuck
It's going to be loads of fucking fun looking past that attack to the grace that is still present in the congregation.
Pyx_e is awesome.
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Oh, that you would rend the heavens and come down!
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Martin60
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# 368
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What IS the matter with people? Shame on them.
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