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Barnabas62
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I've avoided this thread like the plague but am now pleased to report a viewing. When "A New Hope" came out I took my (then) 8 year old son to see it - we queued for 45 minutes and just got in before the cinema full notices went up (this was before the multiplex era). And it was THE BEST TIME. We just loved it. So it seemed fitting that we should see the new movie together (he's now in his 40s) and we were joined by his 17 year old son.
And it was just brilliant! We we all buzzing and comparing and buzzing some more afterwards. And made a firm resolve to see the next one together. Objective analysis be blowed. This was AN EVENT!
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Kelly Alves
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Originally posted by Trudy Scrumptious:
I'm nine years younger than Carrie Fisher and I'll be very happy if I look as good as she does when that day arrives. I love seeing an actress past middle age who has actual signs of having lived a human life on her face (and can still move her eyebrows). Harrison Ford looks wonderfully craggy and worn in this movie and people aren't complaining about that.
Due to her coloring and bone structure, Fischer resembles quite a few of the Grande Dames of my family tree, so I love her face. It resembles faces I've loved. Amen all over your post.
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I must say, Carrie Fisher looked fantastic. I am actually more puzzled than anything else by all of the criticism.
Many of the original cast are now older. I can't understand why anyone thinks they should look as young as they were 30+ years ago.
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Gill H
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She looked great and acted wonderfully. I didn't cry when Han was killed, but when she found out, the look on her face made me lose it completely.
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Barnabas62
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My son observed that Carrie Fisher looked less battered by age than Harrison Ford or Mark Hamill. "Rather like mum and you" he thought. Cheeky monkey.
Actually, I think there's something rather good about looking "lived in". Beats the Hell out of Botox and wigs. Different rules apply to Chewbacca, C3PO and R2D2 of course.
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Kelly Alves
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... Fisher. Where did I get Fischer?
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Wet Kipper
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I liked it, but found it too much like the original films for comfort.
Especially with the major premis of the film being about trying to destroy a superweapon with a small but "easily" accessed vulnerability.
I like that there is ambiguity about what happened to some Characters, and the history of others, and I hope that the coming films will bring answers to those questions in a new way.
Maybe it's just because I saw the film as an adult rather than a child, but there were somethings which didn't make sense to me, which I know people have touched on here already.
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Barnabas62
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
... Fisher. Where did I get Fischer?
Bobby (the late, great, US chessplayer) has a similar kind of rhythm to Carrie?
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lilBuddha
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Saw an interview of Lucas by Charlie Rose.
One of the most awkward interviews I think I've seen.
Lucas is sat there like a poorly posed mankin and doesn't present his own story very well. Always stiff, by turns arrogant and self-depreciating, but both in a muted way.
Charlie Rose does an excellent impression of Gollum as a Star Wars fanboy.
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
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Originally posted by Trudy Scrumptious:
Yes, I totally agree with that assessment, RuthW. I think Kylo Ren as an unformed would-be villain (who admits to still feeling a pull toward the light, though probably a bit less now after the whole patricide thing) is one of the things that makes this series potentially more interesting to me than the original.
Haven't seen it yet, but amongst my fan stuff I read thar Kylo Ren is played by Adam Driver, who in other work has struck me as an intelligent, invested actor. In particular, he seems to have a knack for moral ambiguity, so I look forward to seeing how he handles this.
Being in the industry, I rarely get props or costumes and I was not involved in this film-shoot. It was light-years more exotic watching when Z and I were the only people in the cinema, as some characters had forgotten them!
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Mr Clingford
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Originally posted by Wet Kipper:
I liked it, but found it too much like the original films for comfort.
Especially with the major premis of the film being about trying to destroy a superweapon with a small but "easily" accessed vulnerability.
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I thought it was a bit of an affectionate send-up, especially with Han Solo's reaction to the question of what do we do - we go in and blow it up. Because the final battle wasn't so much about the starkiller but Rey, Kylo Ren and his dad, and Fin.
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I forgot to mention an unintentional moment of humour in the French subtitles when Finn hastily discards the idea of using the initials of his stormtrooper number as a name: F-N.
Which in France means Front National.
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Not sure if I'll read the rest of the thread, because of what was said in Styx about people enthusiastically posting speculative semi-spoilers from various books.
BTW, if you go to IMDB's page for the movie and look at the cast list, do not click on the "more" after linked character names. Because IMDB stupidly lists if that character is in the 2017 movie. Fortunately, the one I saw isn't central, but I'd rather have been surprised.
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Now, the movie. I saw it yesterday, the 2D version at an early (cheap!) showing. I usually don't like 3D, so this was perfect for me. And no lines.
I'm so glad they were kickin' it old school. ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif) From the few trailers I saw, I thought they might be. I'm generally not a fan of the newer movies. I loved the original ones, which started in my teens.
The story fits well with the original 3. I would've done a few things differently, mostly cinematography. I wonder if some semi-important bits wound up on the cutting room floor, and may show up in a director's cut edition.
I don't think either of the 2 main "deaths" is necessarily final. If anyone could manage to somehow survive/escape that fall and explosion, it's Han Solo. And it was strange about Finn. When he was being loaded onto transport, someone said that he still had a pulse. But Ray treated him as dead, later on, when she said goodbye to him. I kept wondering why she didn't at least *try* to use the Force to heal him. Maybe that kiss will?
All the original characters/actors looked great. I've heard that people have been trashing Carrie Fisher for aging; but it's been 40 years since the original film! I don't know what the time gap is in the fictional world; but it's probably at least 20 years later. Carrie, Harrison, and Mark all looked great--and that beard looks surprisingly good on Mark.
It was nice to see some of the old non-central characters, like Admiral fishface. I liked new barkeep very much. Kept reminding me of Linda Hunt. And I like the idea that she's been around for 1000 years. Will be interesting to see what the holographic leader really is.
I've only read the OP on this thread, but I agree about Ben looking like a young Snape. I kept trying to figure that out during the film. It was good to see Han and Leia reuniting about helping their son. When Han saw him on the bridge, I had an idea of what was going to happen. Strong echoes of ep. 4. I was hoping Han would say "I love you" or "I forgive you" before falling--but that last caring touch was wonderful.
I like Rey a lot. Probably Luke's kid, or from the extended family. And what about Finn?
I like the new droid--BB4? And the back story of R2 powering down for years, then waking up for BB4 was good. C3P0 was his usual, annoying self...though he does catch on a little more quickly than he used to. (Scene with Leia and Han.) And it was wonderful to see Chewbacca again!!!
When I heard that Lucas sold SW to Disney, I was angry and maybe questioned his sanity. But JJ Abrams did a good job, and did not make it into a Disney film. I think he set up enough story and possibilities for at least a couple more films. I'm excited! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Saw it yesterday and liked a lot of it.
Rey is obviously brilliant. Finn is, I think, the most convincing protagonist in an action movie I have ever seen, because he basically spends the entire film looking genuinely scared. And, really, you would be, if anything like that happened in real life.
My favourite moment of the film is when Finn sees Rey getting mugged by two bazaar goons, and you can see that he's going to intervene to save her, but he's exhausted, and nervous, and just at the point of screwing up enough courage - by which time, Rey has recovered and laid out both attackers. That was beautifully done.
Worst bit was the utterly unconvincing planetary super-weapon. I don't care that it was a re=worked Death Star. I liked the Death Star. What made it shit was the whole 'drain the sun to blow up a planet' thing. It's as if the director hadn't learned that stars are, in fact, quite a bit bigger than planets, and if you are designing a machine to destroy planets, doing it by means of first destroying a star is going to make the task many orders of magnitude harder. It would be like swallowing a bonfire in order to light your own farts.
And if the stupid fucking thing drains the sun every time it's fired, I'm guessing that someone lost the page of the design spec headed "Reusability". Unless, of course, it's capable (as the Death Star was) of interstellar travel, in which case, why not fly it to the system you're attacking and drain their sun, rather than one of your own?
I know Star Wars is space opera, not hard sci-fi, but that bit of the movie was, frankly, moronic, and I had to work very hard on my suspension of disbelief to avoid having it spoil what was otherwise a very good film.
(Kylo Ren - yes, I liked the fact that he wasn't a fully-formed villain. It was great for the character, and it was played brilliantly. But it did leave the film with truly evil things being done by the First Order, without any real focus on a character who was thoroughly evil. Which I think is a weakness for the film as a whole.)
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Eigon
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I was impressed with the special effects when the space ships were over water,and the water got all churned up.
And I thought Han looked awful, poor chap - but nobody seems to be criticising the way he's aged.
And I'm afraid I found myself speaking some of the lines as they happened, which kind of shows how well I know the characters - like when Rey said "This is the ship that did the Kessel Run in 14 parsecs?" I said "12 parsecs" at exactly the same time as Han!
Oh, and it's BB8!
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ArachnidinElmet
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Originally posted by Eigon:
...And I thought Han looked awful, poor chap - but nobody seems to be criticising the way he's aged...
Some of the stuff I've read is implying that the younger male audience is fine with Carrie Fisher looking older as that is what a general ought to look like. It's some of the ones who are stuck on the gold bikini that have a problem.
My favourite bit was Rey yelling at Finn for trying to hold her hand whilst running. I've been waiting for someone in an action film to say that for years.
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Kelly Alves
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Totally!
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Carrie Fischer apparently sent out one of her trademark lightning bolt tweets in response to people picking on her unbotoxed face, and one of her (very young, male) fans replied that General Organa looked like "a seasoned, war hardened soldier" and therefore exactly the way a general should.
And again I am noting the generational thing- it seems to be the Gen X crowd, only slightly younger than Fischer herself, that is emitting squick about her visible signs of age. Young men think she's a badass, young women want to be her. It's those of an age to be worried about their own encroaching mortality that seem to be making the most noise.
(Yes, I Read the Comments, I'm afraid.)
As for me-- twelve years away from it, but if I accrue half the character and individuality Fischer has by the time I am 59, I will count myself accomplished.
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Originally posted by Eigon:
Oh, and it's BB8!
When a point was made that the BB unit was in a unique white and orange colour, I thought it strange that other, normal coloured BB units were not on the film.
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I thoroughly enjoyed it. I wasn't a fan of the director's first Star Trek reboot movie (with apologies to people who loved it), but I enjoyed his take on Star Wars. For me, The Force Awakens seemed to 'go with the grain' of the previous films more than the Star Trek reboot did.
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Originally posted by Eliab:
... Rey is obviously brilliant. Finn is, I think, the most convincing protagonist in an action movie I have ever seen ... Worst bit was the utterly unconvincing planetary super-weapon. ... And if the stupid fucking thing drains the sun every time it's fired, I'm guessing that someone lost the page of the design spec headed "Reusability".
I agree! If only the bad guys could come up with a new plan, rather than 'let's make yet another big round planet-killing super weapon'. I agree with people who said that it's odd for the good guys to be the Resistance when they won last time. I enjoyed both the old and the new characters a lot. I liked the desert planet with the wreckage of old hardware lying in the sand - just one of many echoes of the old movies which worked for me.
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And they don't seem to realize that draining a sun is a =fine= weapon just there. Drain that sun and use the energy elsewhere. Leave your enemy in the dark to turn into a gigantic ball of ice, the oceans freezing, photosynthesis grinding to a halt, animals dying in droves. What's not to like? But you get no keen aerial battles that way.
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Yeah, really, if you have the technology to drain suns, why not use it to power your vast home entertainment system and then sit back and play video games while your enemies freeze to death? Building the sun-powered weapon is a totally unnecessary intermediate step.
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Brenda Clough
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Not to mention using to to blast apart those aforesaid balls of ice that used to be the planets in the system. Actually you would need all the energy, to move your sun-sucking weapon to another system. If you want to use it again (and surely it would be inefficient to build a weapon you can only use once) you need to move it to a new target.
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ArachnidinElmet
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Totally!
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Carrie Fischer apparently sent out one of her trademark lightning bolt tweets in response to people picking on her unbotoxed face, and one of her (very young, male) fans replied that General Organa looked like "a seasoned, war hardened soldier" and therefore exactly the way a general should.
And again I am noting the generational thing- it seems to be the Gen X crowd, only slightly younger than Fischer herself, that is emitting squick about her visible signs of age. Young men think she's a badass, young women want to be her. It's those of an age to be worried about their own encroaching mortality that seem to be making the most noise.
(Yes, I Read the Comments, I'm afraid.)
As for me-- twelve years away from it, but if I accrue half the character and individuality Fischer has by the time I am 59, I will count myself accomplished.
Apologies, Kelly. ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif) I'd read it elsewhere as well and had forgotten you'd got there first.
I could live without the couple of comments I've seen from journalists who seem to think that dodgy comments are what you would expect of anyone who enjoys watching fantasy films ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Will be interesting to see what the holographic leader really is.
Why, it's Jar Jar Binks ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Originally posted by Sipech:
Kye-Lo-Ren was great up until the point he took his mask off. Distinct whiff of Bane from The Dark Knight Rises but then he just turned into teenage Snape.
My thought exactly.
Well, not quite exactly. My actual thought was a teenage Snape with much better hair care products,
But here's what bothers me: If Luke has vanished and has been missing all these years, and if no one knew where he was, then who put the map that says "here he is!" together? Did I miss some quick but vital bit of explanation on that, perhaps while I was wondering how long I'd be able to make it before slipping out for a quick bathroom break?
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Brenda Clough
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Clearly, it was Luke himself.
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Clearly, it was Luke himself.
That thought occurred to me, but that seemed very unsatisfying and . . . odd. He vanishes, upset at what has become of his star pupil, and goes in search of the first Jedi Temple (meaning, presumably, he doesn't know where he's going), and yet here and there he leaves bits and pieces of a here's–where–to–find–me map? Really?
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I can't speak to his motives, which are clearly going to Be Revealed in a Later Movie. But it is the only logical solution given the data we have. The equivalent of "I don't want email and cell phone, but if there's a death in the family and you really have to get hold of me, send a note to this post office in Montana and I'll see it when I go in once a month for supplies."
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Space Opera it definitely was - great term for it. If someone had compiled a list of boxes to tick to create a Star Wars spin off movie, then every one of the boxes got ticked. But it was comfortably satisfying, and leaves you willing to go back for the next instalment - surely just what the producers want, right?
Best moment for me - seeing Chewbacca 'going ape' after Solo falls.
Prediction: just as this movie was about signing off on the character of Han Solo, the next one will be about signing off on the character of Luke Skywalker and the last one will be about signing off on the character of Leia Organa.
Not sure if Rey will be the replacement for all three - but it looks like she has the potential to be, before the franchise leaves the galaxy in a far far better way than we have ever known before.
Loved the new female lead - Daisy and the writers got it right. Tick.
Loved the heart-throbby ace Po. A tick for all those who love Italian formula one race car drivers.
Loved the character of FiN - now we know why the clone army had to be eliminated. A tick for those who love to see African American leads.
Loved the character of Maz. A tick for those who needed to see a mystic equivalent to Yoda ( derivative surely of Gaia - Whoopi Goldberg's Star Trek character).
Bits for the kids - BB8 is super cute and franchisable in so many ways - especially for the Japanese market. Nods to C3PO - still annoyingly in the way and R2D2 - although it seemed like the script writers were struggling to give them anything to do that made any sense.
Loved seeing Han and Chewbacca still roaming the galaxy together. After the well documented health struggles of Ford, Fisher and Hamill, it was good to see them in action again.
Fisher had the hardest role - a Princess and a general. A worried mother who couldn't leave her post, and an ex-lover of someone still frequently MIA. So much to get across in so few lines.
Ticks to all three.
Ticks to all the Dark Force bits that have become so well known - the voice in the mask, the trembling minions, the ability to throttle with a look and a gesture. The shady master.
And of course the symbolic draining of the light - when the sun goes out and Solo junior turns to the darkness. This really made me smile - because I am always telling my children to "Swim towards the Light" when they are feeling engulfed by feelings or circumstances of doom. I could feel every parent's pain at that point. Big tick from me.
So much opera. And so much of it rightly so. May the Force continue. Looking forward to the next one. I bet it's already in post production. They can't leave it too long if Fisher and Hamill have major parts.
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Banner Lady: quote:
Loved the character of Maz. A tick for those who needed to see a mystic equivalent to Yoda ( derivative surely of Gaia - Whoopi Goldberg's Star Trek character).
I really liked her, too, a wise ancient woman who ran a bar. But just a point of info, Whoopi's character was named "Guinan".
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Banner Lady
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Ah yes - getting my Captain Planet mixed up with my Captain Picard. Live long enough and they all start running into each other....
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Mr Clingford
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Loved the character of FiN - now we know why the clone army had to be eliminated. A tick for those who love to see African American leads.
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I was slightly confused that British John Boyega used an American accent.
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lilBuddha
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Here is a vid in which John Boyega answers that question.
Star Wars has always been a mix of British and American accents to me so I never gave it a thought. I sort of agree with his, and Abrams' decision. Though I think it could have been solved with diction rather than a change of nationality.
I loved that a black character has dimension. Not a caricature or stereotype. I think JB did a fantastic job.
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Finally got to see it today! Loved it... but the same quibble as others have mentioned about the weapon. In fact, how did they use it the first time, on the Republic, and then still have a sun left to use it again?
I was slightly spoilerized, I knew there was a major character death, just not whose, and I wasn't even thinking of it when Han was killed, so it came as a shock, as it should.
Loved the new characters. Worthy successors to the old ones. Even Ren being a pouty, pimply teenager.
One question, did it ever say who the old man at the beginning who gave the map to Po was? The opening identified him as an "old friend", but I didn't recognize him and I don't think they ever mentioned his name.
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jedijudy
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Last night, I was honored to be able to watch Star Wars with St. Sebastian, who had not seen it yet. This was view number four for me, and I see new things each time.
Since I know what's going on regarding the main story, now I can pay attention to other details that make the story feel like someone's real life. One such thing is the doll that looks like an X-Wing pilot in Rey's AT-AT home.
Anyway, St. S was very excited about the movie, and we talked about it and the original three all the way to his car!
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Originally posted by Nicolemr:
One question, did it ever say who the old man at the beginning who gave the map to Po was? The opening identified him as an "old friend", but I didn't recognize him and I don't think they ever mentioned his name.
Wookiepedia is your friend - to this and many other questions!
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lor_San_Tekka
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... but the same quibble as others have mentioned about the weapon. In fact, how did they use it the first time, on the Republic, and then still have a sun left to use it again?
I didn't mind the sun draining, or the new-sun-finding - such things are explainable given the level of technology that has been achieved in this universe.
The bit that pissed me off was how instantaneous the whole thing was. A planet launches an attack on some other planets in a completely different star system, and it strikes home in about fifteen seconds? That's some faster-than-faster-than-light shit going on there! Even in-universe hyperdrive-powered spaceships wouldn't do the journey that quickly, and they can make point five past lightspeed!
But maybe the weapon fires super-duper-hyperdrive-capable beams. OK. So how in the name of Jabba's piano-playing elephant did the people on the weapon planet see it happen so quickly? Even if the attack itself only took fifteen seconds it should still have taken decades for the beams of light they're looking at light to reach them.
And don't give me any "they were in the same system" crap. Firstly, they clearly weren't because the Republic system still had a working sun, and secondly someone on Jupiter could attack Earth and there would still be a good half hour gap between the attack hitting home and it being visible to the attacker. And Jupiter is by no means the furthest planet from Earth in our solar system. Space Is BIG.
As for the fact that a group of people on a third unrelated planet were apparently able to look up at the sky and watch the whole thing go down in real time as well - that's just Binks-level bullshit.
That's my only problem with the movie, but boy is it a big one.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
That's my only problem with the movie, but boy is it a big one.
Next thing you'll be complaining that no planet has more than one ecosystem. Or that no two locations on any given planet are more than a couple of hours apart at subsonic speeds.
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I do rather agree with Marvin - despite not having seen it yet.
People have no sense of scale. Dr Who with people living, unchanged, for 4 1/2 billion years (wasn't it) - as a friend says, if you can't tell the difference between that and waiting for a 68 bus...
It's one of the problems with creationists.
Terry Pratchett, in "Only You Can Save the World" had a character who devised a computer game on a voyage to Alpha Centauri, which worked in real time. Fifth quote down.
SW VI was the same though. Everyone knew the Emperor was dead at the same time. And had time to order the fireworks in.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
As for the fact that a group of people on a third unrelated planet were apparently able to look up at the sky and watch the whole thing go down in real time as well - that's just Binks-level bullshit.
That's my only problem with the movie, but boy is it a big one.
Not going to tell you what you should like or dislike. But Binks and the obvious science flaws are entirely different issues.
There is no level system to compare them.
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Did anyone else see Rey's transport (incidentally, I loved the near-dead planet strewn with wreckage), and think Massey Ferguson 35, or was it just me?
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jedijudy
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That's exactly what I thought of! Rey's transport is a wee bit faster than the tractor I used to drive when I was a kid.
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I thought of my uncle's old Farmall 100, but it's pretty much the same thing.
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lilBuddha
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My first and continued thought the entire time it was on screen was how inefficient a vehicle it was for a scavenger.
But I think this is more what they were trying to imply.
[ 02. February 2016, 17:25: Message edited by: lilBuddha ]
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Of course a long time separates the first trilogy and this new movie ... and we have seen other movie series in the meantime.
So when Rey and Kylo Ren are fighting in the snow and they both try to fetch the light sabre, all I could think was: "The wand chooses the wizard".
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LOL, MSHB.
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I just saw it for the second time, and i think it holds up to repeated viewings, though the main plot holes still remain.
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