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Bibliophile
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I had been wondering why this forum was so dominated by obnoxious, boring, self righteous, lefties. I have to come to the conclusion its due to the moderation. I started a thread today on the subject of feminism, it started to get into a lively interaction of different opinion and then the mods shut it down on the grounds that it was 'going downhill'.
If you want to have a forum moderated like that, and most people here obviously do like it, then that's up to you. You'll end up with what you've got, a board dominated by sanctimonious lefties and not a huge variety of opinion.
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Bibliophile
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Oh and before I get banned for that post I would point out that I am not criticising the moderators. Its your board not mine, I have no objection, and no right to object, to you moderating however you want. Moderation of some kind is necessary on any board. The tone of any board is set by the moderation. It just happens with this board that that tone, i.e. of the board being dominated by self righteous lefties, is not one I'm a huge fan of.
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Bibliophile
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I have to wonder, this atmosphere, domination by lots of chattering sanctimonious left wingers. Is this is what its like in today's academia?
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Sioni Sais
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Unless I'm much mistaken, this board, in fact all the boards on the Ship, don't have moderators.
See: we're not obnoxious, boring, self righteous, lefties. We're obnoxious, boring, self righteous, pedantic lefties.
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Golden Key
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Barnabas did say the closing is *temporary*, while the H/As huddle about it. Maybe start a thread in Styx? FWIW.
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Anglican't
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I'm guessing there was a happy hour at Bibliophile's local tonight.
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Bibliophile
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Unless I'm much mistaken, this board, in fact all the boards on the Ship, don't have moderators.
See: we're not obnoxious, boring, self righteous, lefties. We're obnoxious, boring, self righteous, pedantic lefties.
To be fair I'm sure that a lot of you have plenty of good qualities, including a sense of humour, and of course all of us have fault. I find the politically correct tone of most of the posters here comes across as boring, self righteous and obnoxious, but we are all fallen creatures.
Anyway, what's the difference between an admin and a mod?
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Dave W.
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Bibliophile, I think you're probably mistaken about the reason for the temporary shut down; this is understandable, since you weren't a poster when the "previous threads on the topic which led to Admin action" occurred. I suspect it probably has something to do with this advice.
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Barnabas62
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Well, I guess this is the nearest I ever got to being called to Hell. Instead of the Styx of course. Where concerns about this bit of Hosting can be raised and answered.
Bibliophile, you just shot yourself in the foot
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ldjjd
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As an obnoxious, boring, self righteous, lefty, I don't think that the moderatiors should be given any credit for our domination of this forum.
Apparenty, you are unaware of the widely known fact that it is our goal to dominate everything, everbody, everywhere.
This forum is just one of our many successes. Beware, Bibliophile, we now have you directly in our cross-hairs.
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Man, for a bunch of pinko commie socialists with a dictatorial streak, we sure do a bad job of abusing our Unlimited Powers and just booting out the rightwingers.
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Soror Magna
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Bibliophile, you are wrong about why the thread was closed. Wronger than a wrong thing on National Wrong Things Day with wrong sauce on top. You obviously don't know the history.
Don't feel bad, it's not like you're the only right-winger who flaps their gums without knowing what they're talking about.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
I had been wondering why this forum was so dominated by obnoxious, boring, self righteous, lefties.
"Lefty" is relative to your vantage point, most people are self righteous to some extent, boring is not the same thing as not treating you as the centre of attention, and obnoxious? Excuse me, have you seen the rest of the internet?
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
the politically correct tone of most of the posters here
Earlier this year, I read something about "political correctness" that I will never, ever forget.
It was a copy of
this remark from Neil Gaiman.
I tell you, it's a real eye-opener. People never strive to be politically correct, we only hear about political correctness when people are complaining about it.
And what they're almost always complaining about is a feeling that their right to talk shit about other people has been curtailed.
Well good news, Bibliophile. This board has actually allowed you to talk shit about people remarkably often, because you sure do talk a lot of shit.
This does not, mean, however, that you can expect Shipmates to smile upon you while you do it.
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Golden Key
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Thanks for the Gaiman link. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
"Politically correct" refers to other people's concerns.
I think the irregular verb goes like this:
I am fighting oppression.
You are being polite and/or compassionate.
They are being politically correct.
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Bibliophile talks nonsense about something he knows nothing about. Others mock him. There. That's the thread explained. You can close it now.
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Originally posted by Dave W.:
Bibliophile, I think you're probably mistaken about the reason for the temporary shut down; this is understandable, since you weren't a poster when the "previous threads on the topic which led to Admin action" occurred. I suspect it probably has something to do with this advice.
Odds are, you are correct, Dave W. It does appear as though, based on what he's posted, Bibliophile is suffering a misunderstanding. I hope your reasonable contribution, along with most everybody else's, helps put everything right.
But there is an alternate possibility. Perhaps Bibliophile is not mistaken.
Consider that Alex Cockell has just recently returned from an extended self-imposed leave, and posts in All Saints about how he is suffering. Then, not that long after, Bibliophile just happens to construct the exact topic-honey-pot which completely fucks with Alex's shit. Keep in mind that Bibliophile is not new here, and Alex's previous sufferings were extremely public.
Consider then, after a Host kindly suspended Alex's source of torment, Bibliophile's next move was to start a general bait-as-many-people-as-possible thread in Hell about it.
Put it in context of all the other threads he's started. And all the other posts he's made.
It's possible that, after having his toy taken away too soon, Bibliophile got slightly less-careful and leaked out too much trolling at once. Because it's possible that, in addition to whatever else he might be, Bibliophile is mostly just a fucking troll. He's not here to "engage" with anybody, and he's not unhappy about "sanctimonious lefties" - he's here specifically because of the high proportion of people he gets his jollies trying to troll.
But maybe not. He could very well just be stupid, like he suggests.
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
I had been wondering why this forum was so dominated by obnoxious, boring, self righteous, lefties. I have to come to the conclusion its due to the moderation. I started a thread today on the subject of feminism, it started to get into a lively interaction of different opinion and then the mods shut it down on the grounds that it was 'going downhill'.
Bibliophile: you may have the wrong impression about the (possible) reasons the thread was locked. I thought it was an interesting thread topic and was looking forward to posting on it.
Soror Magna alluded to "the history". From my POV - and I may be wrong about the hosts' and admin's reasons - the history includes Alex Cockell's personal difficulties with this subject, which tend to take up a lot of thread space and provide limited possibilities for dialogue or debate. I don't think it was about your POV particularly.
So don't be all salty about the thread closure, and maybe try again if the thread gets unlocked.
Also I think you're a total tool, but I'm glad you're here.
(I see that RooK was somewhat less charitable.)
[ 25. October 2015, 04:05: Message edited by: Leaf ]
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by RooK:
Bibliophile is mostly just a fucking troll.
Too bad this is not an H&A day. Fucking Troll would fit nicely under his Ship name and serve as a reminder for other Shipmates.
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Originally posted by Leaf:
(I see that RooK was somewhat less charitable.)
I'd say he was a little more accurate.
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alienfromzog
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Speaking as a self-righteous, boring, obnoxious lefty... You are missing the point here Biblio, old chum. The reason we're self-righteous is because we are right about everything. Boring because we keep having to say the same things again as you haven't got it yet and obnoxious because we're so fed up of having to say the same things to you again and again.
Meanwhile, back on planet reality, the quality of debate between people of multiple views remains excellent on these boards. Do I need to list the self-righteous, boring, obnoxious Righties around here?
Oh and one final thing - the comments about Political Correctness above are spot on. Essentially political correctness is a myth and a verbal form of the me-victim illusion. Let me put it like this: I want to maintain my prejudices about people with less power than me which are deeply unfair and unfounded. When some one calls me on this I am going to feel oppressed and scream that it's unfair
Ways to tell the person talking to you is an idiot number 3: They complain about political correctness.
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P.S. Does anyone know what number you dial to get the legendary PC-Brigade and more importantly, what uniforms do they wear?
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Jonah the Whale
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Bibliophile, perhaps you should make it a policy to only post while sober.
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Arethosemyfeet
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Originally posted by Jonah the Whale:
Bibliophile, perhaps you should make it a policy to only post while sober.
My worry is that this is him only posting while sober. So my suggestion is: Bibliophile, never get drunk.
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Twilight
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
I had been wondering why this forum was so dominated by obnoxious, boring, self righteous, lefties. I have to come to the conclusion its due to the moderation. I started a thread today on the subject of feminism, it started to get into a lively interaction of different opinion and then the mods shut it down on the grounds that it was 'going downhill'.
If you want to have a forum moderated like that, and most people here obviously do like it, then that's up to you. You'll end up with what you've got, a board dominated by sanctimonious lefties and not a huge variety of opinion.
I'm a lefty and I agree with Bibliophile. I think the hosts tend to be so shocked at the utterances of right wingers they perceive it as hostile when it's not.
I've almost given up discussion in Purgatory for that reason. My most recent attempt to say something against the mainstream in Purg was on the thread, "Would you vote for a Muslim?" On that thread people were allowed to call me a bigot and one person said my stupidity "was frightening" without getting in any trouble from the host, but when I started to reply with similar heat I was stopped in my tracks.
I decided to leave the thread but came back a few days later to see I was still getting hostly warnings based on what I might be thinking:
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It doesn't take much imagination to foresee the effect of this latest post by Croesos. If you wish to continue along the lines of your earlier riposte viz.
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"You think I'm a bigot? Your false assumptions and eagerness to hate anyone who doesn't want to vote exactly like you, to call them ugly and attribute horrible motives to them, is far more bigoted and narrow minded than anything I've said here."
then take it to Hell.
As a matter of Hosting, IMO Croesos' latest post does not infringe normal Purgatorial guidelines, though I could well understand why you might be pissed off with it. If so, you know what to do.
Barnabas62
Purgatory Host
I'm not complaining about Barnabas's hosting, don't tell me to take it to Styx, I'm using that as an example of what I see as a general fear of controversy that's beginning to make the ship sound, "boring and self-righteous."
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Bibliophile
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Originally posted by RooK:
quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.:
Bibliophile, I think you're probably mistaken about the reason for the temporary shut down; this is understandable, since you weren't a poster when the "previous threads on the topic which led to Admin action" occurred. I suspect it probably has something to do with this advice.
Odds are, you are correct, Dave W. It does appear as though, based on what he's posted, Bibliophile is suffering a misunderstanding. I hope your reasonable contribution, along with most everybody else's, helps put everything right.
But there is an alternate possibility. Perhaps Bibliophile is not mistaken.
Consider that Alex Cockell has just recently returned from an extended self-imposed leave, and posts in All Saints about how he is suffering. Then, not that long after, Bibliophile just happens to construct the exact topic-honey-pot which completely fucks with Alex's shit. Keep in mind that Bibliophile is not new here, and Alex's previous sufferings were extremely public.
Consider then, after a Host kindly suspended Alex's source of torment, Bibliophile's next move was to start a general bait-as-many-people-as-possible thread in Hell about it.
Put it in context of all the other threads he's started. And all the other posts he's made.
It's possible that, after having his toy taken away too soon, Bibliophile got slightly less-careful and leaked out too much trolling at once. Because it's possible that, in addition to whatever else he might be, Bibliophile is mostly just a fucking troll. He's not here to "engage" with anybody, and he's not unhappy about "sanctimonious lefties" - he's here specifically because of the high proportion of people he gets his jollies trying to troll.
But maybe not. He could very well just be stupid, like he suggests.
I have not read any of the threads in 'All Saints' recently and have no interest at all in 'setting anyone off', I like lively conversation on interesting topics.I started this 'Hell' thread not to complain about the moderation, if someone runs a board they have the right to get any tone they like and the moderation sets the tone of any board. I started the hell thread to say that the tone of this board just doesn't suit me. I find it boring, sanctimonious etc. However its your board not mine so if you like it that way then God bless you. It doesn't suit me at all.
Good by and God bless.
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Bibliophile
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Originally posted by Twilight:
I'm a lefty and I agree with Bibliophile. I think the hosts tend to be so shocked at the utterances of right wingers they perceive it as hostile when it's not.
Exactly, the tone of any board is set by the moderation, even when the moderation is light. This board is particularly lefty dominated because of the kind of moderation you describe. It doesn't suit me so I'm leaving.
Once again God bless
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Doublethink.
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Deleted post content, as I realised the pointlessness of trying to debate with you.
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Dave W.
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
I started this 'Hell' thread not to complain about the moderation, if someone runs a board they have the right to get any tone they like and the moderation sets the tone of any board. I started the hell thread to say that the tone of this board just doesn't suit me. I find it boring, sanctimonious etc.
Not complaining then - just expressing dissatisfaction or annoyance about a state of affairs or an event. Thanks for clearing that up!
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Spike
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Originally posted by Bibliophile:
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Originally posted by Twilight:
I'm a lefty and I agree with Bibliophile. I think the hosts tend to be so shocked at the utterances of right wingers they perceive it as hostile when it's not.
Exactly, the tone of any board is set by the moderation, even when the moderation is light. This board is particularly lefty dominated because of the kind of moderation you describe. It doesn't suit me so I'm leaving.
Good, because we were about to boot you anyway. Sneaking back under a new name when you've previously been banned doesn't go down well Tommy1
Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out
Spike
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Barnabas62
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Twilight
Why would you not want to discuss your concerns in the Styx? You're still free to do that, or have a good old rant in Hell. Or you can PM me if you like.
All Hosts do is monitor posts against the guidelines, as in the example you gave. So if you think the Hosting was OK in accordance with the guidelines, then you've got a problem with them or the general ethos of the place. Can't you spell that out? The general ethos is still unrest.
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Originally posted by Spike:
Good, because we were about to boot you anyway. Sneaking back under a new name when you've previously been banned doesn't go down well Tommy1
Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out
Spike
SoF Admin
Fucking sockpuppet trolls. If this particular lesser life form hated the place so much, why did he/she sneak back?
Feel free not to stay in touch, BibliTommy1. Feel free to fuck off and die.
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Power to the people, I say - time and again.
Those who troll make me ![[Projectile]](graemlins/puke2.gif)
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To get back, in a very un-hellish way, to the original issue: is the ship left-wing? Yes, probably. Because that is what most shipmates want, and that is what the origins of the ship.
I don't think the entire ship is full of lefties. I think there are some other right-wing shipmates who find a place to discuss on here.
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Sioni Sais
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Most of the lefties here are gentle, fluffy ones. There aren't many "Tankies" (Stalinists), Trots or Maoists here.
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Although I'm fairly apolitical on the whole, I have expressed right wing sentiment on The Ship, over immigration and such like, without any hostly come back.
As for me boring? Yep, can't really argue that one ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Most of the lefties here are gentle, fluffy ones. There aren't many "Tankies" (Stalinists), Trots or Maoists here.
Speak for yourself revisionist running dog of capitalism.
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Dave W.
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Originally posted by Twilight:
I'm not complaining about Barnabas's hosting, don't tell me to take it to Styx, I'm using that as an example of what I see as a general fear of controversy that's beginning to make the ship sound, "boring and self-righteous."
Sounds to me like a complaint about hosting thinly disguised as concern about "fear of controversy."
Or maybe just they're just two things crudely stitched together, like a lovely monkey-pony pet!
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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
I don't think the entire ship is full of lefties. I think there are some other right-wing shipmates who find a place to discuss on here.
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Originally posted by Firenze:
quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Most of the lefties here are gentle, fluffy ones. There aren't many "Tankies" (Stalinists), Trots or Maoists here.
Speak for yourself revisionist running dog of capitalism.
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Schroedinger's cat
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Most of the lefties here are gentle, fluffy ones. There aren't many "Tankies" (Stalinists), Trots or Maoists here.
Actually, I think it is more that those who get on here know how to discuss with others, especially those with whom they are fundamentally in disagreement. I think left or right, evangelical or traditionalist, enjoyer of trivial word games or passionate hater: these are all less relevant than whether people are prepared to discuss calmly and while accepting that others may be offended by your views.
So yes, there are shipmates who I reckon talk out of their arses (whether fat and hairy or pretty and pert). Mostly, I engage appropriately with them - accepting where they are clearly wrong, ignoring them where they might accidentally make a valid point.
That is the nature of interaction on this sort of site.
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RooK
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It's funny how the idea of left-wing versus right-wing has taken root, as though there is a bright dividing line down the middle.
My perception of the place is that we're mostly in the central fuselage. Some of us prefer the starboard windows while others like the port windows, but we're all essentially near the balance of progressive and reflective. When the vessel starts to tip too far on one direction, we tend to lean the other way to even it out.
When somebody yells at us about how we're all far to one side of them, it mostly means that they're a lunatic on the unbalanced fringe.
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I usually find I disagree with most of the left-wing views expressed here but life is too short to want to waste it spending my spare time getting into arguments about this, that and the other. Just take it that I probably won't agree with you and let's move on. The world is a big enough place for people to be able to disagree with each other and leave it at that.
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Most of the lefties here are gentle, fluffy ones. There aren't many "Tankies" (Stalinists), Trots or Maoists here.
Dunno. There seem to be a lot of supporters of Comrade Corbyn on the boards. What happened to the moderates?
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Speak fer yerself, ya scurvy capitalist dogs! Hard a port, ye lubbers!
And where's me bounty fer bein' the first ta spot Bibliotroll, the Great Trite Fail?
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Originally posted by Ariel:
I usually find I disagree with most of the left-wing views expressed here but life is too short to want to waste it spending my spare time getting into arguments ...
I'm probably about the same - if there's such a thing as "fluffy-but-slightly-right-of-centre" I'm probably it.
And, just for the record (and to confuse matters), I've never voted Conservative.
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Corbyn is really not hard left - hard left would be folk like the socialist workers party.
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Originally posted by Ariel:
Dunno. There seem to be a lot of supporters of Comrade Corbyn on the boards. What happened to the moderates?
Corbyn is a moderate. The radicals were expelled from the Labour Party in the 80s. All Corbyn is advocating is the sort of economic policies that gave Britain full employment, the NHS and the welfare state under both parties in the 50s and 60s. The fact that this is considered extreme tells you how far to the extreme right our economics has been dragged in the last 30 years. I'm not seeing him advocate nationalisation of anything except natural monopolies (which is common sense and practiced throughout Europe). I'm not seeing him push for changes to corporate law to promote co-operative enterprise. I'm not seeing him call for tax rates like those that served Britain and the US well right up until the mid 80s whether worshippers of the laffer curve demanded their abolition.
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I have an announcement.
Ahem . . .
It's all my fault.
Thank you.
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Addendum: the SWP are shouty middle-class wannabees. The real hard left are the Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist-Leninist), the Communist Party of Britain, the Communist Party of Great Britain (Provisional Central Committee) and the Revolutionary Communist Group. I think they can, between, them, muster about enough members for a rugby match. Not that they would, because they hate each other even more than they hate the tories.
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Originally posted by Doublethink.:
Corbyn is really not hard left - hard left would be folk like the socialist workers party.
I would agree. The left has been moving so far to the right, that Corbyn seems like a radical lefty, when he is just where Labour used to be. His position is simply reflecting the moderate left wing, which is what scares the right.
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I have an announcement.
Ahem . . .
It's all my fault.
Thank you.
You wife told you to say that, I presume?
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