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Organ Builder
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Missed the service, but managed to spend about 30 minutes there on a lunch break. A bit dizzying for a first-timer, but I'm sure I'll go back when it's slower. It was lovely to see how many were there, and I trust my silence was not interpreted as disinterest.
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Malin
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That was special. I had TV on to hypnotise the kids and was shovelling food into Malino (7 months) while crying and feeling part of a fantastic online world.
Hit the water hard and took a while to get back onboard again, and then everyone's avatars had gone so mystery voices only.
A chorus of global posts of hope, love and humour.
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Adrienne
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Yes, thank you for that ... so moving. Was glad to have been able to make it after all ...
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Thanks to everyone who was there... it was the best service I've been in (online or offline) since the closing service in Church of Fools. Thanks especially to everyone who came with prayers and bits of liturgy to post, but really, it was all pretty wonderful, including the jokes and asides. We're hoping to get the transcript of the vigil/wake from the server, and a tally of how many people in total logged in over the hour.
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Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
Someone still in here has said we should have mystery worshipped that. I rolled in part way through, but I have the prayers I was putting up - they were the bits I lost it at when on the sound desk this afternoon for a real life funeral for someone I knew.
I think Nicolemrw read Kaddish. There were LOTS of readings. Hymns & music:
The Lord is My Shepherd
Thine is the Glory
Abide With Me
You'll Never Walk Alone (Carousel)
Guide me, o thou Great Jehovah
The cafe was evacuated a few times, but we carried on! OliviaG
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Yes, that was the Mourners Kaddish. Sorry it took so long, I had to type it out by hand, so there may be typos too. But it seemed appropriate.
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Originally posted by Simon:
We're hoping to get the transcript of the vigil/wake from the server, and a tally of how many people in total logged in over the hour.
I couldn't make it. But look forward to seeing the transcript.
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Originally posted by Simon:
Thanks to everyone who was there... it was the best service I've been in (online or offline) since the closing service in Church of Fools.
Yes, it was good it seemed very much like the Church of Fools again.
Although people had to describe what they were doing as it was held in the dark.
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Originally posted by Spike:
Well, that was amazing. I don't know how many of us were there, but there were so many we managed to crash the cafe at one point.
There were 53 on just before it crashed. There were more than that who took part because some people had already had to leave by then.
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I had the menu showing the numbers in the rooms up - there were 49-57 for all of the second part after the crash - it varied as people came and went.
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My meeting was postponed so I was able to be there, for which I'm very grateful. I was participating in Quaker silence listening to the gifts others were able to offer, (whilst waiting for a software upgrade in the background), and it felt good to be there with you all, seated between Simon and Louise and Smudgie. Very comforting.
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Likewise. I was asleep. But now, early morning, I am thinking of you all.
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If the transcript isn't available I can supply the text for the prayers I used if anyone thought that would be helpful.
It was an honour to be a part of it, and to spend time with old acquaintances.
Grace and peace
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There was a problem with Java on my computer, so I couldn't be there. I'm glad to hear it went well and was well-attended.
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So would I- like a transcript, that is. I am so sorry to have missed it. I wish I could have been with you all
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I was at the wake for Miss Molly, and I was there today for Erin's.
In each case, I think there has been a sense that the people who can get there represent the thoughts and prayers and intentions of everyone who can't be - in the same way that those who physically attended the funeral embodied the presence of everyone who was there 'in spirit'.
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Had to be at work at the time of the funeral, but popped in the Cafe from 11pm to midnight GMT. Only my second visit to the cafe - the first about 3 years ago ...
Only read this thread after visiting the cafe, or I would have been drinking something other than gin.
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Originally posted by Chorister:
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Originally posted by Simon:
Thanks to everyone who was there... it was the best service I've been in (online or offline) since the closing service in Church of Fools.
Yes, it was good it seemed very much like the Church of Fools again. [...]
Yep. CoF being why I joined back in 2004. And the spirit (the Spirit) is alive.
Very very moving. Thank you all. Thank you, Eutychus and Spike for leading (as far as I could see) - though I had to leave early on. Thank you.
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No credit due here. I just remembered the Church of Fools form of joining in hymns and prayers in whichever language seemed most natural, and saying "amen" at the appropriate points. I think Spike was mostly responsible for the led prayers and OliviaG chose the right hymns - but it was a truly corporate effort.
As far as I can remember, that 'form' emerged pretty much spontaneously in the earliest days of CoF, I recall being struck with how well it worked then in terms of getting the spirit of community across. As Simon has said on another thread, 'belting out' Guide me, o Thou great Jehovah ![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif)
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I wish I'd been there but my PC wouldn't let me into the Cafe (it never does - and normally that's fine, but yesterday it wasn't). Spent an hour feeling very sad and lonely, and wishing I could have been with rest of you for comfort. If a transcript is avaialble I would very much like one.
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At the wake I shared a bit from Lamentations 4.3: 'even the crocodile cares for her young'.
Someone asked if it was really there in the Bible. And, yes, it kind of is. The half line of poetry is an image of an animal caring for its young, and the animal is either a jackal (if you wrestle hard with the Hebrew) or a sea monster. And sea monsters in the ancient near east are quite often crocodiles.
Erin looked after us, collectively and sometimes individually. This will be what I remember.
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"Even the crocodile looks after her young" - Lamentations 4, remembering Erin.
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It was lovely to talk to shipmates in the Cafe after I came from the funeral. I was very touched by what you all said and told me about the ship service.
Erin would be so proud. Her family and other friends (did you think we were the only ones?) ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) had no clue about the Ship and the people all over the world that knew and communicated with Erin.
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In Memory of Miss Molly, TimC, Gambit, KenWritez, koheleth, Leetle Masha, JLG, Genevieve, Erin, RuthW2, deuce2, Sidi and TonyCoxon, unbeliever, Morlader, Ken :tear: 20 years but who’s counting?..................
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Simon
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Pease has been able to construct a transcript of the second half of the Cafe service... find it here.
Unfortunately, the Cafe logs get wiped after a restart, which is why we only have the second half, after the capsize. But still, this is a good record of what happened then.
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Matrix
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Thanks Simon
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Paul W.
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Thanks Simon + Pease, that transcript is wonderful. I'm sorry to have missed the service, but I got a real sense of the atmosphere from reading through that.
Paul W
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Thanks for posting that. Reading through, the tears came back all over again.
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Marvin the Martian
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Thanks Simon. A good record of the event.
And, of course, a chance to re-read all the bits I missed while I was typing!
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Jengie jon
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Brief analysis:
In the second half
60 people posted something
779 contributions
64 maximum contributions from a single poster: Eutychus
Languages included English, French, Hebrew, Gaelic (I think Louise), Polish and German (Again I think Rosa Winkel), and Hebrew
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It's a strange feeling reading that again - another example of the new pathways being etched in our brains and in the world. I usually consider well what I type on the boards as editing must be done quickly or not at all and the results are there for all to see. As far as the Café goes, I seem to have a different "gear" and think of it all as being right in the moment and then gone.
What you have provided in transcript form, is a spontaneous act of worship by a body of people joined only through this medium of a keyboard, some cables, their love and the death of one of their own whom none had ever seen. I expected only to experience it in the moment but am glad that now others will catch a glimpse of something true and good.
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
64 maximum contributions from a single poster: Eutychus
![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif) But I'm so shy and retiring!
Thanks for the transcript. Up there with Fields of Gold.
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Jengie jon
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Put it down to doing it in two languages.
Jengie
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
Languages included English, French, Hebrew, Gaelic (I think Louise), Polish and German (Again I think Rosa Winkel), and Hebrew
Yep, The Lord's Prayer in Scots Gaelic.
L.
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Autenrieth Road
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Thank you for putting that up, Pease.
It's moving to read. Unlike any other format I've ever read online. I mean, I read that format when in the Cafe, but you don't really notice when it's happening in real time.
I'm not making any sense, are I?
I was very moved to read the Kaddish from nicolemrw. I attend a Torah study on Saturday mornings in the summer; I'm (I think) the only Christian in the group. We frequently have a yahrzeit (one year anniversary of a death) to mark, and everyone stands and recites the Kaddish. Except me, because I don't know it. But the words and rhythms are familiar to me now, from hearing it so often, so reading it from nicolemrw gives me the same sense I have when standing with that group.
I wonder if it's allowed to recite it with that group for people whose yahrzeit falls outside of the summer; I will ask the rabbi.
(ETA: This Torah study meets only in the summer because the rabbi summers here in the state of Starlight; about half the group participants are summer residents. If it were a year-round group I'd just toddle off next December for the yahrzeit.)
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Wow.
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I had ducked out before the singing and praying started, thinking it would stop shipmates of longer standing being washed overboard, so I had missed what now thoughtfully has been made available in the transcript. Thank you. Even reading through was a moving experience.
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Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
Thanks Simon. A good record of the event.
And, of course, a chance to re-read all the bits I missed while I was typing!
And a chance for those of us who were unceremoniously thrown overboard, dunked or keel hauled from time to time to catch up on what we missed.
Given the fact that, as well as disappearing, many of us couldn't see who was speaking (hey, who turned out the lights?), the service / vigil reads as an amazing whole.
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Originally posted by Jengie Jon:
Polish and German (Again I think Rosa Winkel)
I guess the person most likely to post Polish would be me, but it wasn't. I posted using the Cyrillic alphabet in Old Slavonic.
I did post in German, though.
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Arrietty said: quote:
the shipmeet where we get to meet Erin!
Amen to that!
Your singing was magnificent. It was like a mighty fugue with everything fitting together and Heavenly harmonies that don't exist in normal life.
Thank you for letting me experience your memorial service.
(OK, a lot more kleenexes to gather up. I suspect the crying isn't nearly done.)
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Thank you Smudgie. I was the one who said I couldn't imagine Erin resting, and you quoted me. I couldn't get in to the wake, but you got me there anyway.
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Er, this is what I've been up to (book).
Oh, that you would rend the heavens and come down!
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The transcript is amazing.
My wife asked me what virtual praise was like; I said, "like waves". Nor was it virtual, come to think of it. It was very, very real.
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Yout final song about made me late for work this morning Marv. ![[Tear]](graemlins/tear.gif)
(Perfect, in other words.)
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Marvin the Martian
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"You'll Never Walk Alone"? It seemed appropriate, especially with the amount of people from across the globe who were - and are - united in mourning.
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Looking back at the singing of that song interspersed with various Bible quotations about God's love for us, and the Resurrection was cool especially for this Liverpool fan who associates that song with Hillsborough.
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Jengie jon
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Thank you for the transcript and thanks to Pease for all his work to keep the cafe running at the time.
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Languages included English, French, Hebrew, Gaelic (I think Louise), Polish and German (Again I think Rosa Winkel), and Hebrew
Welsh. Just a little. Dyfrig was standing with me as we prayed the Lord's prayer, so I added a line in his words.
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Spike
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Nor was it virtual, come to think of it. It was very, very real.
Absolutely. It was amazing to think that a crowd of us from all over the world were praying simultaneously.
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Originally posted by Spike:
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
Nor was it virtual, come to think of it. It was very, very real.
Absolutely. It was amazing to think that a crowd of us from all over the world were praying simultaneously.
It's been happening in St Pixels for many years! In fact, the wake was like Church of Fools in its most primitive form all over again. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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Indeed it was, AM! In fact, when everyone launched into the Lord's Prayer, I was sad that I wasn't able to be there, since no one was saying it in Latin.
jedijudy is quite right that it came across as a fugue. I especially loved nicole's Kaddish (I think?) going along steadily 'underneath' the prayers and hymns and odd bits all weaving in and out.
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