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Thread: Circus: Mafia 2011: The Penultimate Frontier
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obble
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Obble-42 finds this a difficult sort of decision to make, on the basis of no evidence.
But it seems better to lynch someone than to wait for the Mafia to make the first move.
Rudi.
Not that it makes much difference now, there's not enough people left to vote to get the required 8 votes.
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Ariston
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"And with that, voting is CLOSED!"
*BANGsnap!*
"You might want to be a bit less enthusiastic with the next gavel, Mycroft."
Nighttime, such as it is, has now arrived. Those of you with night actions, please take them now.
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Surfing Madness
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Zoini had not realised how long the echos of what was happening else where took to reach him or that anyone thought he had a right to an opinion. He detrmined he was going to find a way out of his ckeaning hole and on to the rest of the ship as soon as he could.
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Banner Lady
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Poor Zoink!!! ![[Tear]](graemlins/tear.gif)
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Eliab
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Eliabus presses a paw against the biometric sensor by the door to his stateroom. Nothing happens. He kicks the control panel hard, and the door slides open, as synthesised female voice whispers "Ave, Eliabus Tribunus" in a Hellenic accent and what is obviously meant to be a soothing tone.
The room is awesome. Structurally superflously fluted columns rise from the floor up to the row of Lusitanian arches, which are hung with decorative banners in the colours and symbols of the Lusitanian Embassy, the Twentieth Star Legion, and even Eliabus' own people, the Vald. The pack markings are wrong - and the awning over the bed carries the sign for the sleeping place of a bitch in heat - but someone has clearly done some extensive research. Monitors, VR consoles, a cabinet stocked with an extensive supply of recreational drugs, and even a shelf containing some real, paper books. Eliabus picks one up and tries to open it. The book is a hollow polymer shell.
All in all, decides Eliabus, this is not a bad ship on which to be hurtling uncontrollably at unfeasible speed through uncharted multi-dimensional space. Certainly a better room than his kennel on the Scion. He sniffs the air for the comfortable scent of home. They got that right at least. The tribune paces around the edge of the room, before heading for the gravity-suspended bed. He drops onto the mattress, turns around three times, and is instantly asleep.
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leonato
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Leox was certainly relieved to have survived the vote. He now had a busy evening ahead of him lounging by the pool to "promote" this increasingly dangerous hulk of a starship.
How did the Mafia vote though? It would make sense for them to try and get an early lynching and the early votes were for Rudi, which would suggest if that was the Mafia's aim they would have voted for him. Or perhaps they were more clever? It was fairly clear quite quickly that there would not be enough votes to lynch, so did they split their votes to hide better among the innocent?
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Banner Lady
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Boa Languina was secretly rather pleased the stowaway had escaped permanent eviction by the authorities. He would have been found sooner rather than later anyway, because it was really quite impossible to hide much on a ship like this: not that it didn't stop some from trying.
She made her way to Miss Smudgeson's quaint Coffee Corner and asked for a quarter strength mocca bath. It was a long time since she'd experienced the luxury of lying in warm liquid and absorbing the delicious fluid through the skin beneath her scales.
Mmmmm. Heaven!!!
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Reverse Minuto headed back from the bar to his cabin. He stopped off for a coffee and liqueur in the tearoom that seemed to have been set up below decks. While it was a large cup that the rather flustered lady served him, he was surprised to see that among the usual sizes of grande, venti and drowni there was bath-size...
The evening had ended with no conclusion, except that the passengers were unwilling to agree amongst themselves at this point in the voyage. Cock-up or conspiracy? For once, Minuto was willing to believe the latter, and wondered what the hours of darkness (or hours of light for the nocturnal) would bring.
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Dafyd
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Neversaid was pleased that nobody had been lynched, since he'd been arguing for it. At the same time, he hoped it was the right decision. It was worth trying, given the usual results of trying the other way. It was too much to hope that the votes would reveal anything informative.
I think that Herodartus is more likely than average to be innocent, or else both Rudi and Herodartus are mafia. Just because I think that kind of non-decision vote is more likely than average to be innocent. But I could be wrong.
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Sylvander
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Rudi Rattelschneck weasled around the ship (can a rat "weasle around"? he wondered. He was a foreignish rat, you see), avoiding open spaces.
He was a bit unsure whether he had made the right decision. This ship was rather uncomfortable. Not only did he miss the lulling sound of waves and the heave-ho of the rolling boat, he also suddenly found that the passengers had laid out traps everywhere and he had walked between them with complete insouciance. (I was so in online haste last time that when I voted I had not even noticed I had been nominated. It was only when I saw a vote for me 2 days later that I realised my predicament. ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
He had so far been able to avoid them all but he dreaded a moment of inattention that might just cost his life ![[Frown]](frown.gif) Little as there was of it (and him) he was rather fond of it .
As said previously I changed my mind from previous rounds and agree with Neversaid (Dafyd) that we ought to try sth new. (Lynching at random our chances are almost equal for lynching a useful citizen as lynching a Mafioso of whom there can hardly be more than three). Past experience imo indicates that the clarity gained from dead innocents is not helping us much to increase our knowledge by logical conclusions.
Most important is: the detective needs to leave clues that are unambiguous - but unambiguous only in hindsight, i.e. after his death.
Not like last time when his predecessor misunderstood the same advice to mean "When the detective has found someone innocent (in that case me, a totally useless run-of-the-mill-citizen) he should jump up and down excitedly shouting: NN is innocent! I checked him out. And by the way I am the detective." Then to get killed the following night.
If at all this jumping-up-and-down-excitedly-strategy only makes sense when the detective found a culprit and the doctor is still alive and can protect him henceforth.
At worst (i.e. if we quickly lose the doctor and the detective) we would then trade a detective for a Mafioso - plus the possible voting patterns found in this Mafioso's past. Given how hard it usually is to kill the first Mafioso even this would not be an entirely bad bargain to get for a detective.
One strategy for unambiguous-only-in-hindsight clues would be to only ever "speculate tentatively" about people's guilt/innocence whom he checked out and likewise only suspect/accuse someone whom he knows to be guilty. We can all help the detective hide by speculating in that way about only one person per night past (this means everything said on day one is irrelevant as the detective cannot have had special knowledge then). As in: I think Eliab is innocent. (I chose Eliab randomly here but will not include more than one such hint per night played). Now the Mafia can go after me, but if many of us include such random remarks in our posts they'll have a hard time choosing their victim.
Plus: it is harder for Mafia to divert this strategy by posting confusing "reasonings", as our strategy is based on confusion, not logical conclusion. It only will bear fruit once the detective is dead and a lot of knowledge is revealed at once, so we need the patience to suffer many deaths on our team.
Once the detective dies of course we'll have to revert to the old strategy with the advantage of extra knowledge.
The longer Mafia fail to kill him the more knowledge he will gather.
There may come a moment when our number is so small (and hence he knows so much) that it becomes best for the detective just to come clean and share all his knowledge at once.
Only risk I can see: if the detective often unluckily checks out people who then get killed by Mafia. He should avoid this by checking out people whom he thinks unlikely Mafia victims.
Ok, now folks can comment on the logical flaws of my idea.
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Ariston
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Day 2: Misenformation
"We're having trouble replacing the data uplink, actually. The actual physical damage, though significant, we've already figured out and can deal with; talking to it again and getting it to behave? Not gonna happen any time soon. The ship's rejecting any attempts at repair—until we can fix this logic glitch, we're stuck."
"Not to be crass, but how long will that take?"
"Honestly? No idea. It's hidden somewhere deep in the ship's emergent intelligence—below even the basic personality sectors, as best we know. Whoever did this knows more about our dirty little unexpected secret than we do."
Arche Pelius combined a heavy sigh with some heavy swearing. She hadn't expected to have to put her own ship in the psych ward.
"With all these psionic adepts on the infirmary crew, there has to be someone who can deal with it. Thank you, Ensign."
All these connections and wires, artificial sub-intelligences running small sectors and tasks, to say nothing of totioform beings who worked in the communications systems . . . well, in hindsight, the fact that something would develop was rather obvious. Nobody was quite sure who or what had been born, but all authorities were dead certain that it hadn't happened before.
"Xhosimina. Head of Psionics, please."
"Ma'am?"
"Evilit. We have a problem. Who in your division works with evolved machine intelligences?"
"Excuse me?"
"What I thought. Who should work with one, then?"
"Probably our android people, but, quite frank . . ."
The rest of the transmission never made it to the bridge.
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Xhosimina had never known pain like this before—a stretching of her being beyond any form, a violation of every physical law, the experience of being in an infinity of places at the same time. Her consciousness shattered, spreading across the ship's entire communications network, being expelled even as it struggled to maintain form, to fight dissolution.
Something . . . a part of her mind emerged from an uplink point in the Central Gallery. Of all the parts of her self and consciousness that had been dispersed over the ship, only this one retained reflexive awareness; it was her now. She tried to condense, but . . .
but . . .
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holdingtenuous unconsciouslyconscious
theunformedfor manunshiftingshifter
driftingnowintoplace
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". . . ive her one, then! However you remember her looking, dammit! Just something to hold her tog . . ."
sleep now
be at peace
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And so, as a new day rises on the Ariston, the chaos only seems to grow. Even as Xhosimina is held at the edge of life, however, another has already passed over the border that defines this life: Tribune Eliabus Dautius Zurcon, of the Lusitanian Twentieth Star Legion, is no more. Despite the efforts of all shipboard personnel, the most that can be said about the late soldier is that he is dead. Details about his death may be forthcoming; reliable news can, on occasion, take some time to travel (even when bad), despite rumors exceeding every known speed limit.
"I would be happy to note your nominations. Please, in the interest of efficiency, offer your defenses when you are accused. I shall try to run the mistruths and lies phase concurrently with the accuse at the innocent phase."
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Banner Lady
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Boa Languina opened one of her purple eyes incredulously. 'Dead? Really dead? The old wardog is gone?'
'How very curious. Someone obviously thought him a great threat. Eliabus had declared a great distrust of psionics, so this was meant to make those with presience look extremely guilty.'
She slithered down from her post determined to find out whatever she could on her next patrol. Even more disturbing was the absence in the infrastructure of the archangelus. What had happened to Xhosimina?
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la vie en rouge
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Poor doggy. Eliabus arrived on this ship with quite a reputation and he was always going to be a target. I would have thought the only question the killers would be asking themselves is whether he would be protected or not. The MAFIA took the gamble that they wouldn't miss their hit, and apparently it worked. Our enemies are prepared to take on a very big fish* on their first outing. I don't know if that makes them extremely dangerous, or foolish and reckless.
Some of us have had dealings with the dog in the past, so I suspect that at least one of the killers is someone who already knows about his acute sense of smell. For that reason I think we need to look for an individual who's already taken a few trips around the galaxy, not a newcomer who would be unaware of Fido's previous adventures.
Actually, I did wonder if Eliabus might not himself be the psionic. They were obviously on his mind. Maybe the killers had the same thought and decided that the safest thing to do would be to kill him to find out.
Regarding the last vote - I don't know if the MAFIA will have pushed for a lynching or not. I would expect them to steer the vote in that direction if they thought they could get away with it without blowing their cover, and assuming that both candidates were innocent (which for the time being I think I do. If one of them did turn out to be guilty, I think it would have to be Leox, since Eliabus was arguing in favour of keeping Rudi alive for the time being).
Don't know quite where all of that leaves us. I'm going to have to think about this some more. A bit of catnip to assist the creative thinking is just the ticket, methinks. Kindly not to be interrupting the catnap that shall follow.
*If only there were some real big fish on this ship. I swear I'm going to starve to death if they don't do something about the catering.
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Dafyd
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Someone had killed one of the passengers, Eliabus the warrior. What would Captain McChurch do, Neversaid thought?
He boldly strode into the lounge:
'We come in peace! Phasers on disintegrate! Fire photon torpedoes!'
I like Rudi's idea to provide cover for the detective. Each of us, each morning shall declare that one person is either innocent or suspicious. That way, if the detective is killed prematurely, before they can declare themselves, we know whom they've investigated.
e.g. Morning Update: Rudi is innocent.
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Eliab
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Eliabus rises early, as he always does - there may be no cornicen on the Ariston's crew roster to rouse late sleepers, but the habit is deeply ingrained. He stretches and yawns widely, showing a fine set of strong yellow teeth, before swinging his legs out of the bed's gravity field and onto the floor.
The Tribune wanders sleepily to the nearest column, and arches his back, stretching on the tips of his hind paws, before pissing copiously across the fluted marble. As the pungent stench hits his nostrils he sighs contently. That's good urine. Two years of political service, two years of making concilliatory and subservient gestures, however insincere, could not fail to have an effect, and in recent months, his piss has been like water. The prospect of returning to the Legion, returning to command, changes everything. The aroma of dominance fills the room.
Much more awake now, Eliabus strides to the next column and repeats the process. But someone has researched the habits of the Vald rather too well. The column conceals a small, but poweful capacitor, which discharges approximately 20,000 volts along the urine stream. The stench in the cabin is suddenly one of burnt flesh and hair, and an anguished howl of pain reverberates throughout the deck.
The Lusitanian writhes on the floor, stunned, but already feeling his drug glands activate to flush his body with regenerative enzymes and analgesics. His hair is now flat, and his teeth bared, as he struggles to stand. The stateroom door hisses as it opens, and Eliabus glances up to try to focus on the intruder. With the corridor light on, and the cabin dim, it is impossible to make out anything, other than a tantalising glance at the stand on which rests his precious lorica deflector and personal weaponry - half a metre and a million light years away from their crippled owner. There is a sudden flash of energy, and what is left of the tribune slumps back to the floor, dead.
An autopsy and investigation, should anyone think to undertake one, would reveal that Eliabus Dautius Zurcon was indeed fitted with a (now-partly disintegrated) neural shield of dubious efficacy, and his personal and official correspondence had been subjected to the highest Lusitanian government standard of quantum encryption. His purpose and intentions aboard the Ariston must remain unknown.
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The Great Gumby
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Well, thought Gumblor, at least that's got rid of one yappy thing that's likely to disrupt a spot of tennis by chasing the ball. As for the rat, his arguments are appealing, but...
"The flaw in the plan is that any time one of us guesses an alignment incorrectly, either expressing confidence in a MAFIA member, or pointing a finger/tentacle/appendage of choice at an innocent, we prove ourselves to the MAFIA not to be a detective, and narrow the field. At that rate, it won't be long until they identify and disintegrate the detective, and it may also hamper our ability to discuss anyone's guilt or innocence. Nevertheless, it seems to be our best chance. If everyone's happy with it, we go. But don't blame me if it turns to custard."
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Reverse Minuto hadn't realised how literal Mycroft could be: when Mycroft had said that Eliabus 'was no more', Minuto didn't understand that there was no more left of Eliabus than would fit in a small bucket. For some reason, the ship's news channel showed the scene in the Tribune's cabin, and Minuto felt for the first time on the ship the feeling of Death creeping up to him and saying, 'Boo!'. That and a strong feeling of nausea, of course.
So there was a murderer as well as a saboteur - not just someone throwing clogs around, but someone with lethal weapons. Not that they were too bad at the sabotage, with the ship's communication entity almost destroyed as well as the damage to the stardrive. Eliabus was a high-ranking officer and so a high-risk target, but Minuto knew that appearances counted for nothing in these situations. Eliabus had been the first to call for a lynching - was this the reason why he had been killed? Minuto went back to the bar to review the earlier discussions with a protocol droid who had been nearby - he was a bit up himself, but the tweeting of his companion droid was always restful. He also had some nice home movies of young princesses.
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Sylvander
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quote:
Originally posted by The Great Gumby:
"The flaw in the plan is that any time one of us guesses an alignment incorrectly, either expressing confidence in a MAFIA member, or pointing a finger/tentacle/appendage of choice at an innocent, we prove ourselves to the MAFIA not to be a detective, and narrow the field.
You are right, I had not considered this.
I don't see a way to avoid it, though. Open talk gives info to us all incl. Mafia. But we can limit the damage by more often publicly expressing trust in someone's innocence than suspecting or accusing.
Simply because there are more innocents than guilty and hence we are less likely to make a statement which Mafia know is wrong (which would tell them we are NOT the detective).
So: Let us make accusations sparingly! If we intend not to lynch for a few days we do not need to make many accusations. One or two per round suffice - just enough to allow the detective to hide once he strikes gold. And if you accuse, keep accusing the same person and do not switch to declaring a person innocent whom you previously accused. (Remember: anything that happened on day 1 is irrelevant as the detective knew nothing).
Anybody has more ideas to refine the whole idea? Or why it is utter crap?
PS:
On board this spaceship the detective is more powerful than he was in Flanders or Egypt bc we can communicate by night.
So once he finds an innocent the detective will PM him to say "I am detective and here's the proof: you are xyz [innocent or special role]".
Of course after night two he would contact both players investigated and tell them about their respective innocence. Thus broadening, night after night, our web of mutual knowledge.
Mafia can try to confuse us by doing the same: they know who's innocent and might contact us impersonating the detective - but they risk contacting a special role and only telling them "You are innocent" but failing to specify their precise role. In which case that innocent would immediately blow the whistle.
Things I have not checked:
1. Is there a defector or can a Mafioso in some other way appear innocent to the detective?
2. Does the detective actually
a) see the role or
b) does he only see "innocent" or "guilty"?
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the answers to these 2 questions are "Yes" and b) then ignore what I wrote above - Mafia could easily foil it all by impersonating the detective.
3. How many players are there and how many special roles? I lack the patience to draw up these nice lists we sometimes get from more committed passengers than I am.
I already did my one-name smoke-screen declaration for the past night, so no more on that.
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la vie en rouge
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Ruby wakes up and stretches herself lazily across her room. What a lovely nap.
Now, what we're looking for is someone who's been around the galaxy long enough to have met the dog before, and probably someone a bit reckless and prepared to take some risks, or else they would have gone for a lesser target rather than attempt the assassination of a lifeform who was rather likely to have a security guard posted outside his room. While the conspirators may have voted in different directions, they may well have been prepared to try for a lynching if they thought they could get away with it.
Now the initial votes were pretty much evenly split between the two candidates and no lynching, before the trend started to drift towards no lynching. A daring MAFIA operative might have gently tried to swing the vote at this point in the hopes of securing the early lynching of an innocent. This would have to be done while enough votes were still uncast to make a lynching numerically possible.
I accuse Reverse Minuto.
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la vie en rouge
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I think I disagree with the rat.
I think it's highly dangerous to pin all our hopes on a psionic. AIUI, not all information that different people receive is perfectly accurate, there may be some who are capable of evading detection, and no way of knowing if there is a turncoat in our midst. We were told that weird things happen aboard the Ariston. Unless we've missed something, the only thing we can be sure about is how many of us are still alive. All the rest is unknown quantities.
We can't afford to sit about waiting for a psionic to work it out for us. Maybe I'm a recaltritant old moggie, but I think we have to carry on doing what we've always done, talking it out and looking for the flaws in each other's arguments. The innocent have nothing to hide in an open discussion. Otherwise we're making ourselves sitting ducks in the meantime. Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should.
I still don't like secret communication, for the same reasons that I tried to explain to the poor unfortunate dog. If I was a murderer,* here's what I'd do: tomorrow I would send you a private missive saying "Dear Mr Tastymorsel, I am the psionic. I have investigated you and [whoever] and found you both innocent" and consequently influence your voting behaviour. To shore up the plan, I would then murder you the following evening to stop you telling anyone about my little fib. The only danger is that I might send this message to a real psionic, but OTOH maybe there's more than one so I might still get away with it.
Now do you see why I don't like it?
*Rest assured that I'm not a murderer. If I was, I wouldn't be be putting telling you about this plan, I'd be putting it into action ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif)
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quote:
Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
I still don't like secret communication, for the same reasons that I tried to explain to the poor unfortunate dog. If I was a murderer,* here's what I'd do: tomorrow I would send you a private missive saying "Dear Mr Tastymorsel, I am the psionic. I have investigated you and [whoever] and found you both innocent" and consequently influence your voting behaviour. To shore up the plan, I would then murder you the following evening to stop you telling anyone about my little fib. The only danger is that I might send this message to a real psionic, but OTOH maybe there's more than one so I might still get away with it.
Now do you see why I don't like it?
*Rest assured that I'm not a murderer. If I was, I wouldn't be be putting telling you about this plan, I'd be putting it into action
"Of course, there's nothing to say you haven't already - there's no way to tell, is there?"
Minuto pondered the accusation and wondered what evidence there was against him - certainly no more than against the two reprieved last night. Mind you, he still saw the benefits of choosing one person for the chop each day, but wondered why the Cat had chosen him. What reason did she have to pluck his name out of the (recycled) air - what was she playing at?
He wandered off chatting to a short man with dreadlocks and a thick accent, followed by a thin, angry man with an 'H' on his forehead - they kept talking about 'The Cat', so Minuto wondered whether they had any information they could give him.
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la vie en rouge
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Apparently I wasn't clear enough. I accused Reverse because I think this:
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
Now the initial votes were pretty much evenly split between the two candidates and no lynching, before the trend started to drift towards no lynching. A daring MAFIA operative might have gently tried to swing the vote at this point in the hopes of securing the early lynching of an innocent. This would have to be done while enough votes were still uncast to make a lynching numerically possible.
describes his voting behaviour. Reverse's vote was pretty much the last one that could have swung the ballot towards a lynching at the point when it was going in the opposite direction. Two votes later the majority had become impossible.
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Dafyd
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quote:
Originally posted by Sylvander:
2. Does the detective actually
a) see the role or
b) does he only see "innocent" or "guilty"?
From a conversation between Ship's Officers:
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Naturally, those are in deep cover and of varying ability and function—I met one the other day who could read my every intention, but couldn't tell you what my position was even from my uniform. Another? The exact opposite.
I think the first one is a detective, and the other is a role-spotter. The same conversation lists a medium (allows dead people to communicate their findings?) and what I take to be a veteran (if killed in the night, kills their killer).
We know of one other role: it wasn't possible for the detective to tell whether Eliabus was innocent or guilty. I think it's safe to assume he was innocent.
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*Ding-dong!*
"This is a shipboard announcement. Don't Panic! All members of the Lynching Committee are advised that nominations will close in 24 hours from the time of this announcement.* All others should remain entirely unconcerned about the presence of a Lynching Committee."
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Originally posted by Dafyd:
From a conversation between Ship's Officers:
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Naturally, those are in deep cover and of varying ability and function—I met one the other day who could read my every intention, but couldn't tell you what my position was even from my uniform. Another? The exact opposite.
I think the first one is a detective, and the other is a role-spotter. The same conversation lists a medium (allows dead people to communicate their findings?) and what I take to be a veteran (if killed in the night, kills their killer).
All too murky for me to make any sense of, let alone enough to base any speculations on. I'll stick with our usual glorified guesswork and waiting for a perhaps non-existing detective's revelations.
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Originally posted by Dafyd:
We know of one other role: it wasn't possible for the detective to tell whether Eliabus was innocent or guilty. I think it's safe to assume he was innocent.
You mean we don't even now know whether he was? I hope that at least Mafia know who and what they are! ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
Reverse's vote was pretty much the last one that could have swung the ballot towards a lynching at the point when it was going in the opposite direction. Two votes later the majority had become impossible.
"Not true," said the human. "Look at Mycroft's notes two votes after mine:
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Rudi: IIII/
Leox: III
Nobody: IIII/
16 voters; 8 votes needed to lynch
A list of names followed Mycroft's columns; 13 had been stricken out after their owners had voted, but three remained:
Artichoke Smudgeson
Zoink
Obble-42
meaning that a lynching was still possible when Mycroft tallied the votes, and that the 'swing' votes (those who pushed the vote towards a lynching or not) followed mine. Your 'logic' makes no sense. Look elsewhere for your guilty party, Red - I've killed no-one."
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That doesn't disprove my point. There were three voters left at the point that Mycroft made that comment, no one had obtained more than four votes, and eight were needed for a majority.
At that point, even if all three remaining votes had gone in the same direction, no majority could have been reached and there would have been no lynching. You were the last person able to try to get a majority verdict. Herodartus also could have done so, but chose to split the vote (unless I've counted completely wrong).
This doesn't mean I'm sure you did it, but since we have to start looking for the killer or get picked off one by one, you are the best candidate I can come up with.
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"Read Mycroft's notes more closely," said Minuto, "and you'll see that IIII/ means FIVE votes for Rudi - an old human method of counting off a handful of fingers, which can't be shown by a 'crossbar gate' due to the limitations of the communications system. Count again and find another suspect - or preferably don't, if your logic for choosing another is as flawed as that for choosing me."
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Neversaid didn't want to anyone to get lynched this round either. Too soon. So the fact that there was only one nominee worried him. So he decided to put up a nominee to split any vote.
The blancmange clearly had an agenda. Was it at all criminal? It could just be that it meant to win Wimbledon.
So who better to split the vote than the person who made the previous nomination: The Red Cat Goddess.
Besides, he just didn't think her argument against Reverse Minuto held water.
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I still don't like secret communication, for the same reasons that I tried to explain to the poor unfortunate dog...
Ah, but you overlook that this adds a lot of fun to the proceedings, which is the whole purpose of playing at all. The greatest fun-factor difference between Mafiosi and citizens, as you know, is that the latter mostly have nothing to do except wait while the former happily spin intrigues. I like the new set-up far more. So much room for double bluffs and using their own weapons against the vicious conspirators ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
However, if I were a mafioso I'd dislike the new rule, too.
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"Well then. Time to get down to lynching someone. Your options are as follows:
Reverse Minuto
Ruby the Red Cat Goddess
Nobody
"In addition, Mr. Minuto has informed me that, due to certain Difficulties he could not enumerate, he will be unable to properly defend himself. I would welcome a volunteer, even from the World Beyond, who wouldn't mind defending him. Though I have no doubt that all of you are guilty of something or other, I don't want anybody's lynching being overturned posthumously because of a poor defense, or whatever other technicality one might choose."
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Miaow. Not only am I surrounded by people who apparently don't want to investigate the murder, but now they're accusing me.
I have no idea what you've all been talking about in private, but if we'd had some of the conversations in public, it strikes me we'd be much further along than we are. We'd all be party to the reasoning of everyone, we could bounce ideas around and see if they work. Since the doggy (may whatever deity he was an adept of rest his soul) isn't here to say it any more, I will: we must talk, we must accuse, we must use our collective brain or we'll get nowhere. Relying on the psionic alone is too dangerous, besides which, by talking, we allow provide leads for investigation, instead of depending on blind chance. We must narrow the field in which the psionic investigates. Imagine that he/she/it only finds a culprit on the fifth day. By then we will be thinned out too much for it to matter. There is also far more satisfaction in catching MAFIA using one's brain than by sitting about depending on investigation. And MAFIA can imitate the psionic, or murder them, or someone could defect. We still don't even know if some of the psionic capacity has died with Eliabus. The tactic is far from watertight.
Anyway, I am innocent, and I can prove it. If it's that or get lynched, I really might as well. I'm obviously blowing my cover, but all this sitting about waiting to get picked off in the hopes of getting rescued by the psionic is frankly making this a very boring game, so this should pep things up a bit.
You know, that Red Cat Goddess thing is only a stage name. Before I made the bigtime, I was just plain old Ruby Roleblocker on Bast. Of course, telling you this may result in me ending up dead, although since I don't know much about any of you except what I figure out by deduction, I'm not as dangerous to the killers as a psionic. Added to that I believe there is a security guard somewhere round about who might be prepared to protect me for a while if they haven't found the psionic yet.
Anyway, thing is, a catnip habit like mine gets kind of expensive after a while, especially when a kitty's fallen on hard times and isn't getting invited to showbiz parties any more, so when I was asked to carry a little something on board the Ariston, it sounded like a good enough idea. It wasn't quite what I was expecting though - not a little parcel of narcotics or diamonds or arms. A powerful bioweapon, actually. Xhoronos, in fact. And if anyone gets too close, they get a nasty dose of this vicious little infection that keeps them out of action all night and the following day.
My proof that this is true? Simple. I can tell you who I have blocked. Grstamjuarlt is currently floating about somewhere being ill in whatever ever way a lifeform with no physical substance can (G, don't take it personally - you did something that I thought might *just* be suspiscious, so instead of accusing you, I thought I'd take you out of action and see what happened. Conclusion - if you're a murderer, then you aren't the hitlifeform. There you go, you may have been as sick as a dog, but I've (probably) proved you innocent.) Rudi Rattelscheck is also going to spend the whole day tomorrow somewhere in the bowels of the ship feeling very, very unwell.* If I am telling the truth he will be in a state of radio silence all day (not like him, I'm sure you'll agree), and will emerge in the evening with a sore head. To be clear, I have not infected Rudi because I think he is a MAFIA agent; it's because I believe his tactics to be quite wrong and decided to take advantage of the opportunity to make him shut up for a while. Also because he was blathering on a lot and I thought I'd spare the Circus hosts ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) The ability to prove my own innocence in a pinch is a plus.
Now, this is where things get interesting. Partly I have declared my role in order to save my skin, but I have I've given this a lot of thought, and realised that, for secret communication to be of any use to us, what the citizens really need is someone demonstrably, provably innocent. And I am that cat. The trouble with communicating in private is (unless one is the psionic) there is no way that you haven't just sent a message to the enemy. However, anyone who communicates in secret with me can know what side I'm on. The psionic can make great advances if we work together (I have limited detection powers) and since I am now both demonstrably innocent, and on the hitlist, I am happy to be the mouthpiece for anyone who has information from the citizen side.
If you contact me telling me that you are the psionic, I can't know that you're telling the truth, of course, but the easiest way for me to know there's something wrong is if I get two competing claims so I think it's actually safer for you to contact me than not. For obvious reasons, I am also very interested in hearing from the security guard.
How can you know I'm not playing a colossal bluff? You can't. But if I am, I'm going to have a hard time keeping this up for long. By tomorrow, you will also know that I am telling the truth about the two individuals I have blocked, which a MAFIA operative could almost certainly not imitate.
Anyway, there it is. I am Ruby Roleblocker, not a killer. Do you think we could start trying to catch the mafia now?
*the incubation period for Xhoronos is a little long - the victim is infected during the day, not the night.
[OOC: If I go a bit quiet this weekend, it's because my home internet connection is playing me up *again*]
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Originally posted by AristonAstuanax:
Mr. Minuto has informed me that, due to certain Difficulties he could not enumerate, he will be unable to properly defend himself. I would welcome a volunteer, even from the World Beyond, who wouldn't mind defending him.
"Hi there! I'm Demosthenes 0.9, your Beta-test version artificial-intelligence advocate, provided as a complementary service as part of your selected passenger package!
Before getting on with the fun, fun, FUN task of establishing your innocence, I have just got to tell you that this package comes FREE of any sincerity whatever, and no opinion expressed by me should be taken as the view of the Ariston, its owners, operators, crew or passengers, either living or deceased. And the great news today is that ALL ethical subroutines have been especially DIS-abled on behalf of you, our valued client! This program complies, and I mean COMPLIES, with the Advocacy and Solicitors Services of Hellenica Advisory Tribunal rules, and with nothing else WHATSOEVER! You can see all of our usual disclaimers in the ASSHAT rules. You cool with that or what?
OK, well, it looks like you have a pretty good case, my friend! I mean, SOMEBODY had to be the tenth to vote. And they had to vote for SOMETHING. So let's take a little-old-look-see at how the votes stood when you voted. Rudi and Leox about equal, but most of your passenger pals didn't want either to go. Can we agree that AT LEAST one of the two was innocent? I think so, because the chance of guessing right TWICE is way, way, low, baby! You guilty? Sure you want that frood dead, but hey, time's on your side, right? You don't need them dead TODAY! What's the rush, man. There's no fire! Chill.
So you chill - sure, of course, you chill. And you find one big-old forest to hide your little-old leaf away in. And "no lynching"'s looking pretty damned leafy right now, I can tell you! Blow right on in! Who's to suspect you?
But you don't, you crazy guy! No, you're right out there with the old rat-trap looking to stuff in the stowaway! Get this crazy old vigilante! Go, Justice League of Hellenica! You get ‘em! That's you, my friend, you get the scent and you are HUNTING! Guilty? You? Reverse Minuto? No way, man. Just, no, no WAY!
But, hey, check out the cat chick! Is she smooth or what? I mean, we are talking FRICTIONLESS BEARINGS here. If the beer here were that smooth, I'd be in the bar ALL DAY, dude, and I'm an AI construct, man! Smooth, smooth, smooth! Asking your pals to suspect her is a big ask, guy. I'm sure you know that.
What the hell, let's give it a whirl! What do we know here? I mean, what do we really, really know? We know that she accused you, my friend, and there wasn't even a good reason for that. Sure, sometimes you just have to take a WILD GUESS, but people who have useful skills are the LAST ONES who should be doing THAT! And how neat is that virus! Man, you have a dose of that to hand out, why would you go NEAR taking a risk? You want to stay alive, man - get down to the last five or six, and then you have a real good chance of hitting some MAFIA dude smack in the guts. You don't want to be mouthing off to lynch some poor sap who's probably innocent and coming up with some half-assed argument against HIM! No, man, you don't do that! And who's to say that the PROTECTOR with the INJECTOR is even innocent, babe? You think of that? Sure you did!
And what else? Hey, check the dead dog! Get that, guy? Dead DOG. Live kitty. C'mon, man, cats and dogs? Do I need to draw you a picture here?
Then take a look at what our cool, cool, kitty says she'd do if she were guilty! She's so twisty you could use her to open bottles! She'd make up some smooth, smooth story about having some special power that makes her innocent, and take the chance. That's one gutsy feline for you, my friend! And then she's accused, and check out what our craaaazeeee kitty does! She makes up some smooth, smooth story about having some special power that makes her innocent! You gotta love it, man. You just gotta.
AND best of all, man, I mean, really, just BEST of ALL, is this! When you hear this, it'll knock your little space socks off! This wraps out the whole case, dude. We are talking SOLUTION here. SO - LOO - SHUN. The real deal! When I think of just how awesomely clever this last little argument is, I get so hot I could just..."
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Newsflash:
I have been contacted by an individual claiming to be the psionic. He/she/it seems fairly plausible. He/she/it says that he/she/it was investigating me last night and finding me innocent. Less good news is that we knew that already. Since I am already a dead kitty prowling, I shall keep you posted with updates.
Note to the security guard, in case you didn't get it yet - keep me alive. Assuming that I've been contacted by a real psionic, he/she/it doesn't have to break cover as long as I'm around to report his/her/its findings. I'm not a particularly religious old moggie, but I shall now go and offer a mouse to the feline gods of Bast in the hopes that you don't get caught for a while.
[OOC: Man aLIVE Eliab, I hope I never find myself on the wrong side of you in a courtroom. Although it does seem a bit unfair that I had to defend myself while the other dude got the services of a professional defence lawyer ]
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As I see it the Mafia had three options in the last round of voting:
1: Try to lynch me.
Seems unlikely that they did this given that only three people did vote for me and one of them is dead. It is just possible that those who did vote for me are mafia, perhaps they hoped that Eliabus' keenness to lynch me would sway the other innocent voters.
2: Try to lynch Rudi
Possible, but Minuto's vote was tenth, which strikes me as rather late to try and influence the vote as nearly everyone remaining would have needed to vote for Rudi to secure a lynching. Most of the votes for Rudi came too late to have an impact.
3: Not try to lynch
Surely the most likely choice. The mafia could vote for either candidate or no lynching with impunity. The layer-droid is right: the mafia didn't need to lynch, they can get us all eventually. I think it is more likely that at least one of us who voted for no lynching is mafia.
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
My proof that this is true? Simple. I can tell you who I have blocked.
And if this checks out, you prove yourself to be a Roleblocker. However, I'm not sure that this necessarily demonstrates you to be innocent. AIUI, you could still be MAFIA with a Roleblocking ability.
Care to comment?
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Zoink had done a major clean of the cleaning machines and hoped that would keep them running for a while. She looked around at the boxes of spares that she really should have been sorting, but instead with hardly a backward glance decided it was time to go and see some of the ship, and try and find out what was going on, and if the rumours reaching her were true.....
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Is it voting time? No lynching.
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Their Netua was thoroughly baffled (a) by the Aristonic announcement (more like obfuscation) of roles in play and (b) by why Eliabus' role remained "unknown" after his death (may he rest in peace and rise in glory).
She did hope that if she came to be accused, she could call on the Demosthenes 0.9 (or whatever model or related technology ASSHAT might provide the ship at that future hopefully hypothetical date) for her defense.
[Oh look, a crosspost.]
She was feeling dreadfully unconvinced. Therefore she votes for no lynching.
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Astraea wrinkled her nose delicately at the smell of scorched urine and flesh from Eliabus's cabin. She was no stranger to sudden death, but she preferred it to take place with dignity and sanctity at the hands of a priest or priestess. The poor old dog. She murmured a quick prayer to Pan that the tribune's journey to the realm of the dead would be a safe one.
Astraea contemplated the evidence against the various passengers. Nothing seemed solid at this point- except that the Red Cat was sure making a hell of a lot of currently-unsupportable claims. Astraea agreed with the Demosthenes program that quote:
She's so twisty you could use her to open bottles!
It seemed unfair to lynch anyone on such shaky evidence... but the Red Cat was certainly up to something. Might as well kill her and find out what.
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Originally posted by The Great Gumby:
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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
My proof that this is true? Simple. I can tell you who I have blocked.
And if this checks out, you prove yourself to be a Roleblocker. However, I'm not sure that this necessarily demonstrates you to be innocent. AIUI, you could still be MAFIA with a Roleblocking ability.
Care to comment?
The blancmange has a fair point. I think there’s an answer to it, though which is: the psionic.
As I said, I have been contacted by an individual who claims to be the psionic. This person claims to have spent the first evening investigating me and finding me innocent.
If any part of this is untrue (the psionic was really investigating someone else, or they were investigating me and finding me guilty), the real psionic has me in an open lie. By getting someone they know to be innocent to convey the message, they can call me on this by tomorrow at the latest.
If there’s no counter-claim, then the chances are that it’s all true (I am innocent, and my contact really is the psionic).
It’s an argument from silence, but quite a good one, ISTM. Lynching me at this point would be deeply, deeply stupid. If I’m guilty, you’ll find out soon enough (there’s no way I’m going to be able to keep up this level of lying long enough to bump you all off).
Anyway, since the vote is apparently open, I vote for Reverse. We need to start lynching, I’m obviously not going to vote for myself, and I have proven myself as demonstrably innocent as anyone can.
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Boa Languina could feel tension throughout the whole ship. Truly, this much anxiety was way beyond her limited abilities - it simply made her feel tired to be awake. She hoped her superiors would sort out some of the technical problems soon. She coiled herself around the warm pole in her cabin once more and murmured no lynching before drifting blissfully back to sleep.
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Umm... assuming that the Red Cat is a role blocker, could she refrain from using her abilities unless she's sure somebody's a bad 'un? At this stage of the game, it seems to me that it's much more likely to backfire on us. We don't want her to block the detective whoever that is. (Obviously in the endgame it becomes useful.)
Also, I am pretty sure at this stage that Rudi is innocent based on the fact that he's making constructive tactical suggestions - and I don't see how blocking him helps.
Incidentally, the detective claims to have investigated her and found her innocent. If the detective hasn't investigated her, could the detective please communicate that fact to one of the people he or she investigates? I don't doubt that she's telling the truth about being a role-blocker, but that doesn't necessarily exclude her also being mafia.
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Herodartus ventured out of his cabin. It was just his luck to be growing two new noses at once while living opposite a cabin that stank of burnt dog piss. The problem, he was discovering, with writing a contemporary history was that you spend all your time in your cabin crafting the perfect secondary preface and miss what's going on in the conversation. He started making a speech to whoever would listen (which seemed to be mainly the android he'd paid to):
"I don't think Ruby's reasons for nominating Reverse are particularly good. In fact, they seem to be based on misreading Mycroft's notation. However, I think there are good reasons not to vote for Ruby, and good reasons to lynch someone. I'll go on record as saying I don't think there are any particular good reasons to lynch Reverse in particular, but there are no compelling reasons to think him innocent either. It's the least bad option."
The quaint holographic buttons bounced up to him and he "pressed" the one marked Reverse.
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PS. Reverse needs 6 of the remaining 9 votes to die. If G can't vote, that's 6 of 8. [Unless he doesn't count in the total when he's ill, leaving us only needing 7 votes total to lynch rather, so 5 of 8.]
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I was rather expecting a defence phase before the vote, but as the vote appears to have commenced by common consent, let's have at it.
I find the cat intriguing. She may be genuine, or she may not. If she isn't, I expect her story to break down before long. As for Minuto, I see no particular reason to suspect him, and if (as she claims) the cat is on our side and has the ear of various investigators, I expect her to ensure that her own suspicions are checked out in the event that Minuto stays alive. Besides, he's one of the few humanoids available to play a few sets.
As we'll find out soon enough if either is guilty, I vote for no lynching.
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Zoink was pleased to be able to see a little of the ship and begin to catch up on the happenings. The ship was far grander up here than in the little corner that she spent most of her days in. Even as she was admiring the ship she knew that she couldn't stay long, and that while technically she was free to wander around the ship it was frowned on if she wasn't there to deal with an emergency. Though the emergencies that she was called on to deal with did make her wonder about peoples perspective.
Listening to the rumours, infomation and acusations going on, she wondered how she should vote. She was scared that if she voted for the wrong person she was no better than the mafia, as she to would have innocent blood on her hands, on the other hand not to vote meant that the mafia could continue to kill the innocent. She continued to ponder not sure how she would come to a choice. Maybe somewhere, somewhen soon something would happen to make her know which way to vote.
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Sylvander
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1. The Cat's claim "I have been investigated and found innocent" is equal to the statement "I am innocent". Everybody will say that and - we cannot verify.
If it serves any purpose at all then the claim looks like a simplistic way to lure the detective out in the open, even if only by dropping a hint of some kind. This would be far too early obviously. Any hint the citizens can pick up will also be picked up by Mafia. So I hope he won't.
2. Publicly announcing "I have been investigated", is very bad for the team (if done in self defense it is understandable but still bad for the team): It will easily draw flak from Mafia, if they believe the claimant is speaking the truth. Why?
Because it is in their interest to reduce our pool of knowledge. This is achieved by killing certified innocents.
Every already investigated person who dies means that the goodies' private net of mutually assured innocence (as communicated by the detective) is reduced. That is why I said earlier: the detective ought to investigate players whom he thinks unlikely Mafia victims. Only in this way we can steadily increase our web of knowledge night after night.
3. The Cat's call of "protect me" is bad advice for the team. It is the detective who needs protecting, not just anyone claiming to be innocent or a roleblocker.
4. Not only this but also: A roleblocker is (esp. at this stage where we have little knowledge) as far as I can see useless to us.
I'd go further: If the roleblocker uses his role, it can only achieve something destructive for us: Even if he is lucky enough to block a Mafioso, the other Mafioso (I guess there are two) can still kill. Nothing gained.
If however he blocks detective or doctor they'll be out for the night as they are not part of a team where each can act for the other!
So: using the blocking ability at this stage is utterly foolish - it can prevent no harm but risks causing it by blocking our own useful roles.
IF the Cat is indeed the roleblocker AND if she used her ability last night, then I'd regard this as harmful to the citzens' camp. Reason enough to lynch her imo.
5. But, believing in consistency, I'll stick with the strategy I advocated:
No lynching
6. It would however imo be wise not to go for the bait which the Cat set for the detective nor to follow the advice she gave to the doctor (whatever all these roles may be called now). In fact the doctor can now, I think, exclude her from the list of people to protect (unless one can be roleblocker and detective simultaneously which I dunno).
7. PS: I also received a message last night. But am still checking how much of it I am allowed to publish.
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leonato
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I don't think the evidence against Minuto stacks up at the moment and nobody has yet contradicted the cat's claim to be a roleblocker. I hope that there are no roleblocker mafia, because if there are we're probably stuffed, so I vote for:
No lynching
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