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Good Catholic Lad, colourful though your allusions to Martin Luther are (I'm laughing... assuming you are 'doing it on purpose' - he did indirectly leave you with a better behaved RC Church...), I must step in and correct the notion that Luther was a Franciscan (yes, I know others beat me to it - but my Franciscan affiliations give me a privilege, I believe.)
Francesco was a man of great holiness and poor judgement - not an unusual combination for saints. He therefore left a rule to "Live the Gospel," with little embellishment... not knowing that he himself was saintly, and that those less saintly than himself might fill in the blanks of the Rule and such as they chose. Consequently, the Franciscan Order was 'parent' to the largest number of canonised and beatified saints and the most deplorable lot of mediaeval heretics of any congregation. (Some Franciscans did have great minds - particularly in England and in Paris - but in total it was never an intellectual movement, and Franciscans, though marvellous preachers - to the hearers, not the theologians - seldom worry much about doctrine at all.)
That the Franciscans should produce a 'heretic' of the calibre of Martin Luther... no, unlikely. ![[Smile]](smile.gif) And I do so wish that those who criticise Catholicism today (Luther's theology was Catholic) would have more solid grounds that who is called Father...
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First of all, Mary who birthed Jesus. God chose her to be a vessel for His son into this world but in no way did He place her above any other women, the focus was all on His Son, not her. Why then is she so intrinsically a part of so many prayers in Catholicism?
You might try perusing this thread, now in Limbo, for a variety of thoughts on that topic.
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Secondly, Jesus is quoted as saying in the bible not to call anyone on earth Father for we have only one Father and he is in Heaven. Why then are the catholic clergy naming themselves fathers?
And in the same breath, our Lord says we shouldn't call anyone "teacher," but you don't have a problem with people being called teachers, do you? By the same logic, we shouldn't call anyone "King" because there is only one King and Lord of all. And, as others have pointed out, the prohibition, as you're interpreting it, would also ban us from referring to a male parent as "my father." Unless you're willing to go there, I think you have to acknowledge that there's a problem with the way you're interpreting the verse. It isn't really talking about what we call people. It's talking about how we relate to people.
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Whilst in the parish FATHER knows best ( evos please get over it - priest are called Father, it reminds us who we work for) in the wider scheme Mother Church knows best.
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P.S. just in case you don't know, Mother is Rome, Rome is Mother, which just goes to show how inclusive Rome is, for it is Mother Church, not Father Church, for there is only one Father in heaven.
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That's an interesting link Triple Tiara. It talks a lot about people converting to Catholicism from other denominations. I didn't realise a change in denomination was a conversion.
It makes it quite difficult to condemn those who say Catholics aren't christians, when many Catholics would say they have a different faith to the rest of christendom.
I have never heard anyone, Catholics that is, say that. I do think that Catholics can be guilty of the sin of pride, in thinking they possess THEE FAITH, the full deposit, the complete truth, that everyone else
is some how lacking, which is not very kind, Christian or charitable. But then I have heard the same thing from the Mormons, it still doesn't make it right. I figure let God deal with it, God can decide.
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P.S. just in case you don't know, Mother is Rome, Rome is Mother, which just goes to show how inclusive Rome is, for it is Mother Church, not Father Church, for there is only one Father in heaven.
Are any other sci-fi fans thinking "The corps is mother. The corps is father."?
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The state of the Roman Catholic Church after 1500 years was absolutely dreadful, creating the need for Martin Luther and the Reformation. I don't personally agree with many of the reformers - but change was necessary. Therefore to claim those 1500 years as something that gives the Roman Catholic Church greater legitimacy is somewhat ironic. By their fruits shall ye know them.
Yes change was necessary and led to the Counter-Reformation and the Council of Trent.
You have also made the logical error of confusing Tradition with its human interpreters, by saying that the errors of the latter invalidate the former. Better perhaps to look at the whole 2000 plus years. Tradition preserves the ancient usages and customs of the early Church, as IngoB explained elsewhere.
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[semi-tangent] Did I once read that the english "doctor" is equivalent to the Latin or whatever - maybe even Greek or God forbid aramaic - for teacher? At any rate I have always been amused at many evos obsession for pronouncing the doctorship and professorship of their allies - Sydney's Jensen's most recent diatribe being a prime example - while wetting their smalls if anyone says "father."
Yes, context is everything. But don't tell the phylactery wearers. ![[Disappointed]](graemlins/disappointed.gif) [/semi-tengent]
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A few things to throw in:
All of Christianity stems from Judaism and the basis of any RC reasoning for excluding others from their way of believing could be the basis of similar reasoning Judaism could use to exclude RCs. Just because that's the way its always been done doesn't mean that is the Right way to do it?
That we shouldn't call anyone Teacher: Is it possible that maybe our language has become corrupted so that some of our daily accepted words are blasphemous?
Though apostles after the fact may have called each other fathers, it is not what Jesus himself said and as such, maybe they were doing the wrong thing? If we can't trust a portion of Christ's quoted words, instead placing the words of those who followed above His, what in the bible can we trust?
Blessed amongst women... not intercediary to God. Jesus said through the Son to the Father, not through a blessed woman to the Son to the Father...
Protestant and RC churches both have beliefs that clash but I think (most) were in agreeance that the fundamental is the same. Shouldn't it start with Jesus and go from there? Shouldn't any church or individual who guides someone towards looking toward the light stand aside and allow Jesus to take over? Isn't the bible merely a reminder and to be used as a signpost pointing which way to look but after that to be set aside and used as a reference so that Jesus can shine out from people rather than 2000 year old words translated and retranslated into thousands of languages? Churches are built on translations of the bible and people who have spoken using Christ's name. Isn't Christ more important than any church as as such to be revered above and beyond any church, indeed to lay claim to a particular "faith" could be seen as blasphemous because any church that lays claim to the Word is overstepping the authourity given to it by Christ from His Father?
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Shouldn't it start with Jesus and go from there?
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]I have never heard anyone, Catholics that is, say that.
I don't know about that. It is quite common in colloquial speech in much of continental Europe to hear the expression 'Christians and Protestants' as if they were two different things. Protestant places of worship are habitually referred to as 'temples' in France, even on maps.
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What the Rev'd Mr Fiddleback said. In France one even hears the comment "I didn't know protestants were Christian".
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Other way around in the US Deep South and Northern Ireland
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In some Asian countries (I've read that it happens in Hong Kong, for instance) "Christians" is used for Protestant Christians and "Catholics" for Catholic ones.
This once led to a memorable conversation with the manager of a hotel where I stayed in Sri Lanka; we were talking about religion and he told me, "My family used to be Christians, but now we're Catholics." ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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In some Asian countries (I've read that it happens in Hong Kong, for instance) "Christians" is used for Protestant Christians and "Catholics" for Catholic ones.
This once led to a memorable conversation with the manager of a hotel where I stayed in Sri Lanka; we were talking about religion and he told me, "My family used to be Christians, but now we're Catholics."
When you are surrounded by faith traditions that have been around longer than Judaism, you're entitled to a little terminological vagueness. ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Other way around in the US Deep South and Northern Ireland
And the West of Scotland. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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U, I think you should throw in the towel on the praying-to/through-Mary stuff. The reason I say this is that your RC adversaries will only tell you that, from their perspective, tradition trumps the Bible. I think we must also keep in mind that there is still variety amongst Roman Catholic adherents, it's not as fascistic as you make it sound. There is a huge gamut; those Roman Catholics who seldom if ever pray to/through Mary and those who think she is co-redemptrix.
There are also plenty of oddities, say, from Calvin, though one seldom hears Protestants banging on about the lack of Biblical evidence to support some of his stranger beliefs.
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Originally posted by Matt Black:
Other way around in the US Deep South and Northern Ireland
And the West of Scotland.
Sorry, forgot about the Wee Frees.
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Originally posted by Craigmaddie:
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Originally posted by Matt Black:
Other way around in the US Deep South and Northern Ireland
And the West of Scotland.
Sorry, forgot about the Wee Frees.
Actually, Matt, it's not just the Wee Frees. There are plenty of Kirk folk who seem very uncomfortable with calling Roman Catholics "Christians".
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Christian Union Folk seem reluctant to call Catholics Christian too!
Although I was told this the other day:
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Most Roman Cathoics aren't Christian, they seem obsessed by tradition and the ways of the church rather than the way of God - But you're different so I think you are one of the few Catholics I've met who actually are Christian as well!
I didn't actually know how to respond to that - I get the impression that some Protestants aren't Christian and they are obsessed with the ways of the church rather than the way of God! So - it can go both ways really!
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Originally posted by Duo Seraphim:
You have also made the logical error of confusing Tradition with its human interpreters, by saying that the errors of the latter invalidate the former. Better perhaps to look at the whole 2000 plus years. Tradition preserves the ancient usages and customs of the early Church, as IngoB explained elsewhere.
No. I have said that the results of Catholicism and the Tradition after 1500 years lead to that result. Tradition as a whole includes the interpretation of that tradition. If you try to take the humans that passed on Tradition out of Tradition, you have to go back to primary sources - in which case some of the Evo sects have a better understanding of Tradition than the Roman Catholics do. If you keep them in, then the errors of the interpreters become part of Tradition (and lead to the causes of the Reformation).
And if you want the ancient usages and customs of the early church, I await the selling off of the Vatican and meeting in Catacombs (or possibly housegroups) rather than owning very big cathedrals.
What you have is a Tradition that goes back to the early church and has significantly changed in the intervening time rather than the Tradition OF the early church.
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Originally posted by 103 (One-O-Three):
The Catholic Church - Always the real thing™
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Originally posted by IngoB:
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Originally posted by 103 (One-O-Three):
The Catholic Church - Always the real thing™
Thanks for making my day.
Another one for you then
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For Roman-Catholic chavs?
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Originally posted by Fr Alex:
Why then, Fr Alex, are you CofE, and not Catholic, especially given that quote:
Mother is Rome, Rome is Mother
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After all, doesn't Rome consider your "Fr" to be play-acting?
Genuinely
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Just 'cause I stand in a garage doesn't mean I'm a car.
So, if by "Christian" one means more than "follower, study-er, of Christ" -- which is a marvelous thing in itself --
If by "Christian" one means "in a state of grace", "saved", "credited with righteousness" --
Then naming yourself Catholic or Protestant or Franciscan or Adventist or anything else doesn't mean you're a Christian.
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Of course not. That's what Tradition and Sacraments are for.
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Of course not. That's what Tradition and Sacraments are for.
Oi vay!
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or should I have said 'Oi vay Maria'?
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Originally posted by U:
Blessed amongst women... not intercediary to God. Jesus said through the Son to the Father, not through a blessed woman to the Son to the Father...
By this argument U, I'm not allowed to pray for you, and you're not allowed to pray for me, or indeed anyone else, since intercession is apparently blasphemous.
Is that what you're trying to say?
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U, I think you should throw in the towel on the praying-to/through-Mary stuff. The reason I say this is that your RC adversaries will only tell you that, from their perspective, tradition trumps the Bible.
I don't think you'll find many RCs who say that. Certainly I've never seen any RC on the ship argue that. You might find the discussion more fruitful if you engaged with what they actually believe, rather than a straw man.
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If by "Christian" one means "in a state of grace", "saved", "credited with righteousness" --
Who claims it does?
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Originally posted by Justinian:
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If by "Christian" one means "in a state of grace", "saved", "credited with righteousness" --
Who claims it does?
Just about every preacher I've ever come across whose talked about it.
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Originally posted by AdamPater:
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Originally posted by Fr Alex:
Why then, Fr Alex, are you CofE, and not Catholic, especially given that
Fr Alex - come over here, the water's lovely!
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Originally posted by Komensky:
U, I think you should throw in the towel on the praying-to/through-Mary stuff. The reason I say this is that your RC adversaries will only tell you that, from their perspective, tradition trumps the Bible.
I don't think you'll find many RCs who say that. Certainly I've never seen any RC on the ship argue that. You might find the discussion more fruitful if you engaged with what they actually believe, rather than a straw man.
Sorry about my lack of clarity here Josephine. I intended that particular comment (which I admit is an oversimplification, but still justified in this context) to represent the result of discussion on the previous thread.
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we shouldn't call anyone Teacher: Is it possible that maybe our language has become corrupted so that some of our daily accepted words are blasphemous?
The New Testament was originally in Greek, and Jesus spoke Aramaic. So if any language was corrupted, it would have been Greek and/or Aramaic, right? As the English language didn't exist it all, it could hardly have become corrupted by the year 0.
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Shouldn't it start with Jesus and go from there?
Without the church's 2000-year witness, how would either of us ever have heard of Jesus?
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Originally posted by 103 (One-O-Three):
Christian Union Folk seem reluctant to call Catholics Christian too!
Although I was told this the other day:
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Most Roman Cathoics aren't Christian, they seem obsessed by tradition and the ways of the church rather than the way of God - But you're different so I think you are one of the few Catholics I've met who actually are Christian as well!
I didn't actually know how to respond to that -103
One possible response: I caught accidentally Christianity from Anglicanism.
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"Tradition" began as exegetical - if excessively creative in some early writings. As for 'praying to Mary,' that became very excessive during the past few centuries, but every doctrine about Mary was intended to both set forth a point of Christology (for example, his being both fully divine and fully human) and to show Mary as a representative of the Church.
One of the largest problems with both confusion within and misconceptions about Roman Catholicism is that writings, preaching, practises, and devotions often go far beyond actual doctrine or dogma (not that everyone would agree with the doctrines themselves.) Simple example: besides other large problems Martin Luther addressed, some of which were remedied at Trent, the sort of 'penitential system' (pardons, indulgences purchased, etc.) which existed in Luther's day were highly distorted (if very lucrative. I find Martin to have been far more Catholic than some of those whom he confronted.) Just about everything (ordinations in monasteries to have priests to say Masses for the dead, for example) centred on purgatory and the church's jurisdiction - where, actually, about all there is to the doctrine of purgatory is a concession that we do not know what lies between the earthly life and the last judgement, and that there may be purification after we die. (What Dante Alighieri and Thomas More made of it is poetic but in no way doctrinal.)
I personally think that certain dogmas, such as the Immaculate Conception, would best have never been declared. But excesses in devotion , some of which were still prevalent in my youth (when it seemed all that RCs thought about was Mary and purgatory...), though they date back several centuries, indeed could make it seem that Mary is honoured more than her son. Devotional preaching, intended to touch the heart but not necessarily theologically sound at all (I'll be forgiven for saying Franciscans did it well) could make it seem that one could not pray to God (only 'through Mary,' when she was not too busy distributing the indulgences to those in purgatory which one gave to her when making the 'heroic act of charity'), or that Mary had some sort of parental authority which meant Jesus had to obey her even now.
Another sad fact is that Roman Catholics, including priests, used to think that humble obedience (I believe that because it is what the Church teaches... it is true because it is a church teaching) was all that mattered - and apologetics were unnecessary because no one who was a good RC would ever question anything. Don't think I do not regard both of them highly, but both 103 and Fr Alex have given a demonstration of the unexplained enthusiasm school of theology on this thread.
I'm not suggesting that every Christian is about to agree with Rome on all counts. Yet I would suggest that one be certain of what the actual doctrine or teaching is (it normally will be related to Christology, and in that be perfectly sound) before assuming it is at odds with Christian essentials (in which I would class Christology, the Trinity, and the early creeds.)
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Originally posted by Fr Alex:
Why then, Fr Alex, are you CofE, and not Catholic, especially given that quote:
Mother is Rome, Rome is Mother
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After all, doesn't Rome consider your "Fr" to be play-acting?
Genuinely
I was thinking the same thing.
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NO - My Sponsor (a very wise man indeed who possibly might be along later )
Told me this:
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As long as I'm in communion with my bishop who is in communion with the Pope in Rome, I don't need to state an opinion!
Or thereabouts
I think it's a cool position to be in! On the other hand Cardinal Newman talked about obidence to the Holy Catholic Church and that one should only challange the church if it teaches something that goes completly against your conscience! (i.e. If the church taught that Killing was ok - it would be acceptable to challenge the church about that!)
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Newman, wisely I believe, also remarked that to cut the faithful off from study of doctrine and require implicit faith would "in the educated, terminate in indifference, in the poorer, in superstition."
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I once heard a Redemptorist priest state, in the course of a typical rousing parish mission hell-fire sermon, "Your salvation depends on your devotion to Our Lady!"
Now this was fifty years ago, and pre-Vatican II.
I doubt if you would hear this sort of pious exagerration today.
Talking of priests addressed as Father - what does one call a woman priest?
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Max.
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Originally posted by Bernard Mahler:
Talking of priests addressed as Father - what does one call a woman priest?
Miss or Mrs
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Originally posted by 103 (One-O-Three):
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Originally posted by Bernard Mahler:
Talking of priests addressed as Father - what does one call a woman priest?
Miss or Mrs
...just as male Anglican priests are normally titled Mr, unless they have a preference for being addressed as Father.
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Originally posted by 103 (One-O-Three):
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Originally posted by Bernard Mahler:
Talking of priests addressed as Father - what does one call a woman priest?
Miss or Mrs
In the US often "Mother".
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Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
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Originally posted by 103 (One-O-Three):
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Originally posted by Bernard Mahler:
Talking of priests addressed as Father - what does one call a woman priest?
Miss or Mrs
In the US often "Mother".
Yeah but that's just confusing and creepy - so I won't ever do that ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Mrs Vicar will do fine!
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Come now, 103! "Good morning, Father" to a man priest and "Good morning, Missus" to a married woman priest?
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Come now, 103! "Good morning, Father" to a man priest and "Good morning, Missus" to a married woman priest?
Well - I don't come across many women priests in the Catholic church
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I'm adopted and as such have no real ties to any family on earth, same as any who love Jesus, just a little more obvious in me
I have real ties to my own family (not biological either in my case) and there are quite a few people here who have ties to their families. Guess we don't love Jesus! Dang, and here I thought...
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