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Sioni Sais
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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:


Of course, when typing I have a whole new set of issues. I think "hte" should be in the dictionary - I can spell it, I just can't type it.

Many years ago some clever clogs amended the compiler for a block-structured computer language so that it would give warnings for common misspellings, such as "NED input without a corresponding EBGIN".

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I’m often struck by my fingers’ ability to type just what they hear (even when I’m typing silently) without regard to sense - their/ there / they’re or hear/ here are typical. My eyes instantly know the words are wrong as soon as I see them.
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quote:
Originally posted by Higgs Bosun:
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Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre:
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Though and through are thoroughly puzzling.

I'm derailing myself, here, but in a different pub conversation, a different friend of mine and I were discussing -ough. I'm missing two(?), but off the top of my head:
though (long o)
through (oo)
rough (uf)
cough (awf)
bough (ow)
thought (aw)

Of course, some regional and class accent differences.

thorough (uh)

This reminds me of when I lived in Milton Keynes. Three of the villages absorbed into the new town have names with -oughton at the end:

Broughton (B-raw-ton)
Loughton (L-ow-ton, 'ow' as in cow)
Woughton (Woof-ton)

These within a few miles of each other.

Very interesting about the village names, belying any explanation on the basis of region.

On the question of 'thorough', both my friend and I pronounce the second syllable with a long 'o'. Webster's is the only dictionary that I have at hand at the moment, and it gives it as a schwa, agreeing with you; Hence my allowance for regional or class differences in pronunciation.

BTW, tangentially, I've noticed a relatively recent trend, and one gaining momentum, at least in North America, for the 'o' in 'to' to degrade to a schwa, even on news casts. I.e., "tuh".

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quote:
Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat:
... I think "hte" should be in the dictionary - I can spell it, I just can't type it.

Along with tge, which is how it almost always comes out when I'm using the Tablet, causing swearing.

[ 09. February 2018, 23:07: Message edited by: Piglet ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre:
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Though and through are thoroughly puzzling.

I'm derailing myself, here, but in a different pub conversation, a different friend of mine and I were discussing -ough. I'm missing two(?), but off the top of my head:
though (long o)
through (oo)
rough (uf)
cough (awf)
bough (ow)
thought (aw)

Of course, some regional and class accent differences.

I have on several occasions wondered about the correct pronunciation (which should be spelled pronounciation!) of Brenda Clough's name!
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What a wonderful topic.
I have always been a reasonably good speller, due no doubt to my early introduction to books and reading. I can never remember not being able to read. I read on the ship on the way to Australia when I was three, [can't remember the voyage either].But now that I am getting older, errors keep creeping in- or I write a word , and it just doesn't look right. Typing is even worse, since I am not a touch typist, and gaze at the keyboard, going hell for leather, and then look up at the screen , to find lots of red lines. And then I still miss some things, like misplaced apostrophes, or lack of spaces between words.
I got stuck on scissors of all things, the other day. All those "s"s. However, the thing that incenses me most are the misspelt signs on shop windows. Wouldn't you think they would know the names of the things they are selling? Rant over.

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quote:
Originally posted by jedijudy:
quote:
Originally posted by Pangolin Guerre:
quote:
Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Though and through are thoroughly puzzling.

I'm derailing myself, here, but in a different pub conversation, a different friend of mine and I were discussing -ough. I'm missing two(?), but off the top of my head:
though (long o)
through (oo)
rough (uf)
cough (awf)
bough (ow)
thought (aw)

Of course, some regional and class accent differences.

I have on several occasions wondered about the correct pronunciation (which should be spelled pronounciation!) of Brenda Clough's name!
[Hot and Hormonal]

Hiccough?

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The other two sounds have been listed:
Higgs Bosun posted "thorough" - uh

quote:
Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
hiccough - up



There's a rhyme about this, Chaos by Charivarius, which ends:
quote:
Finally, which rhymes with enough --
Though, through, plough, or dough, or cough?
Hiccough has the sound of cup.
My advice is to give up!!!



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'The rough coated dough faced ploughboy walked coughing and hiccoughing through the streets of Scarborough' is what I learnt.

I'm another who has always been quite good at spelling, and love the eccentricity of it. But I'm also* another who only learnt how to spell 'necessary' when I learnt the Latin!

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*which usually comes out as 'alos' when I type.

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quote:
Originally posted by Gill H:
I always have to use a mnemonic to spell rhythm:

Rhythm Has Your Two Hips Moving

Praise God! I've always struggled with this word.

Thank you Gill H.

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The spelling I kept getting wrong until I was told the Latin derivation was separate. I now remember that it's based on the same root as part and pare. Similar to the derivation of benefit being coming from the Latin for good - bene.

I remember necessary as it has a s sound and similar words with a double c, like success, sound both a c and a s.

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I've also been lucky in being a good speller, but rhythm is one word I usually have to think about.

Years ago, I developed a habit of mispronouncing certain words to remember silent letters, repeating letters or strange letter order - ConneKt-i-cut, for example, or remember that separate has "a rat" inside. I might hiss necessssssary, or say two Ks and roll a double R for ok-kurrrrrrance. Weird is weeee-iiiird. I don't usually mispronounce said words in conversation, just in my mind. Usually works!

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My son had a very difficult time with spelling, even though he was always an avid reader. I would make up little sayings to help him remember word parts.

Possession possesses four s's with an e in between helped a lot.

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quote:
Originally posted by jedijudy:
I have on several occasions wondered about the correct pronunciation (which should be spelled pronounciation!) of Brenda Clough's name!

It would be pronounced 'cluff' here, with the 'u' varying according to which part of the country one comes from. In some parts of the country, it appears in quite a lot of place names. But I've no idea whether that's correct for her.

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How about jewellery? (Not sure if this is right, but it's what the spell checker came up with). It certainly doesn't look right to me!

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Your jewellery looks spot on to me, St Gwladys (flirt, flirt).

I can spell - in fact, I like to think I can spell very well - I'm just a bloody awful tripeist, which gets me in all sorts of trouble. When I was putting all my family history bumf on computer more time ago than I care to think, I had particular trouble with the name Joseph, which always, always, came out first time as Jospeh...

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I remember this one: "Though the tough cough and hiccough, plough him through thoroughly." That may or may not be an exhaustive list of how to pronounce "ough".
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How about the confusing pronunciation of read:
[ as in the act of perusing a book] = sounds like reed
[ as in having perused a book] = red
[ as in the town]= Redding
[as in the act of perusing a book, or speaking the lesson at church] = reeding.
We have a local[Australian] cinema chain which is Readings [ pronounced Reddings], and a really good book store whose name is Readings[ pronounced Reedings]. Controversy doesn't quite rage about the pronunciation of the Cinema chain, but it gets called both.

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In my family "auto correct" is known as "auto cucumber". My biggest fusses with it is that it likes to correct spelling to the wrong spelling as the Canadian market doesn't warrant its own dictionary apparently. Canadian spelling uses counsellor, traveller, with double Ls, and cheque, barbeque, but tire and curb. Among others. (I know, I know, some Canadians don't care nor use the spellings I learned 50+ years ago)
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The city of Tucson. I always want to spell it "Tuscon". (It's pronounced "Too-sahn".)

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I was always slightly jarred by the intrusive "K" in "skating rink."

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jacobsen--

Which "k"? Thx.

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and then there's "secetery" rather than "secretary.
Another of the things I find irritating is when people use "stationery" when they mean "stationary" and vice versa. And "off" and "of".

But whoever mentioned "jewellery" is spot on. I always have to look at it twice.

And I give up using some words like the word for being charitable that starts off "elem' there's a 'y' in it somewhere and an "ary" at the end ,and a 'mos' somewhere in between. I give up. Just use charitable instead.

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
jacobsen--

Which "k"? Thx.

In "rink". Sorry GK, I should have specified. To me it was, being circular, a ring.

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Because eleemosynary was a new word I looked it up and there's a great quote on the site:
quote:
you might find that remembering how to spell "eleemosynary" makes you tend to use its synonym "charitable" instead. The good people of early England had mercy on themselves when it came to spelling and shortened the root of "eleemosynary," the Latin eleemosyna, to "ælmes,"
So that's the derivation of alms too.

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My friend's surname is Fetherstonhaugh - which of course you all know is pronounced Fanshaw.

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I still pronounce Ikea as eekayah, having first met with the place when I was living in Germany 35 years ago. Can't get used to Aikeeyah even now.

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quote:
Originally posted by jacobsen:
I still pronounce Ikea as eekayah, having first met with the place when I was living in Germany 35 years ago. Can't get used to Aikeeyah even now.

The only time I've been in an IKEA was in Sweden, and they pronounced it Ick-ee-ah there!

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quote:
Originally posted by jedijudy:
quote:
Originally posted by jacobsen:
I still pronounce Ikea as eekayah, having first met with the place when I was living in Germany 35 years ago. Can't get used to Aikeeyah even now.

The only time I've been in an IKEA was in Sweden, and they pronounced it Ick-ee-ah there!
Then they need to stop spelling it with a capital I [Biased]

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
The city of Tucson. I always want to spell it "Tuscon". (It's pronounced "Too-sahn".)

It's only within the last year or two that I discovered that place isn't pronounced Tucksǝn!

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Wait till you are working in another language and another script ... just today someone said he was forwarding me something that might interest me...
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Re IKEA- surely the only correct pronunciation is 'Yuckier'?

M.

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quote:
Originally posted by M.:
Re IKEA- surely the only correct pronunciation is 'Yuckier'?

M.

IKscrewEA,

There always an extra screw.

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Originally posted by M.:
Re IKEA- surely the only correct pronunciation is 'Yuckier'?

M.

No.

See my ‘room’ blog, our house is full of Ikea stuff, I love it 😊💕

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quote:
Originally posted by aliehs:

Another of the things I find irritating is when people use "stationery" when they mean "stationary" and vice versa. And "off" and "of".

When equipping a new office a few years back, I found a stationery cupboard which was on wheels, i.e. not stationary. Despite this, my recommendation to buy was not accepted.
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One word I can never ever spell is 'diarrhoea'. Yes, I just had to copy & paste it.

I prefer to spell it 'dire rear' as that sounds exactly the same and gives an accurate description (but not too graphic) of the condition.

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quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
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Originally posted by jedijudy:
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Originally posted by jacobsen:
I still pronounce Ikea as eekayah, having first met with the place when I was living in Germany 35 years ago. Can't get used to Aikeeyah even now.

The only time I've been in an IKEA was in Sweden, and they pronounced it Ick-ee-ah there!
Then they need to stop spelling it with a capital I [Biased]
Why would a capital change the pronunciation? English is weird; the rest of Europe understands that long I goes 'ee'. Cf. That island which is correctly pronounced Eebeetha (or arguably - eetha) , with no eyes. We're terrible. Cf also "choritso"

I am well aware that Delia Smith is responsible for that one, and the Great Vowel Shift most of the other ones.

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It’s not so much the capital as the lack of double k or ck.

So Hikea would be ‘aye’ but Hikkea would be ‘i’ as in lid.

But, of course, Ikea isn’t an English word and us English do so like to pronounce things in our own sweet way [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by Sandemaniac:
... I had particular trouble with the name Joseph, which always, always, came out first time as Jospeh...

I have that trouble with Louise, which has an unfortunate habit of coming out as Lousie.

No offence meant ... [Big Grin]

And have you ever tried typing opportunity when you're in a hurry?

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I have trouble writing my own (four letter) name! I can’t count the number of times I’ve spoiled lovely cards by spelling my own name wrong [Roll Eyes]

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Celtic Knotweed
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When typing I have to be careful, since secretary is easily mis-typed as secretart, and in previous years I appear to have found a new town near Milton Keynes called Newpoet Pagnell (it should be Newport Pagnell).

A few years ago my brother and I were both amused/annoyed by Microsoft's suggestion that instead of writing papers about boreholes we meant to write about brothels... good thing we both always turn as much of the autocorrect options as possible off. [Biased]

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When it comes to typing quickly, I am prone to two particular mistakes.

A mountainous country in central Europe, famed for its holey cheese and cuckoo clocks often comes out as Swizterland.

My religious outlook on life also leads, all too often, to adding an extra 't' whenever I address an email to anyone called Chris.

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jacobsen

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At least you kept the e in holey - otherwise your religious tendency would be overdoing things. [Razz]

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quote:
Originally posted by Sipech:
One word I can never ever spell is 'diarrhoea'. Yes, I just had to copy & paste it.

But on this side of the Pond it's spelled "diarrhea."

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Sandemaniac
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As is now traditional in this sort of thread, I must mention the early 90s spellchecker (was it Word or maybe even WordPerfect?) that tried to turn my essay on a Baltic republic into a diplomatic incident by turning every occurence of Latvia into labia.

AG

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Many years ago,when I went into Grade 1 , [as a precociously accomplished reader] I was devastated when the primer's first page was the five vowels, and I was told that I pronounced them incorrectly.They wanted me to use the phonic version; and rebellious even then, I didn't see the point. I could read, couldn't I? And as for Bob and Jane , not to mention their dog, well!

Insufferable brat that I was, I had been given Wind in the Willows for Christmas, and had read it in the summer holidays before the commencement of school. And of course I had an English accent, received BBC at school, until I worked out no one knew what I was saying, and adapted accent to circumstances: Yorkshire[ refined] at home, BBC when out, and Australian when at school. It had the effect that I unconsciously picked up the accent and intonation of places I visited, so I came back from a 2 week placement in Swansea speaking very Welsh.

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jacobsen

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When I got back from my five year stint in Germany, some people commented that I spoke with a slight German accent. Probably a wind-up.

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Gill H

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After the first year of my A level studies, I spent a few weeks in Switzerland over the summer, helping a family look after their children. I came back with an increased knowledge of Swiss German vocab, which didn't help much as it's really the equivalent of something like Glaswegian.

However, in my oral exam, the examiner turned out to be Swiss! I greeted him enthusiastically with a 'Gruezi!' and sailed through.

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Honest Ron Bacardi
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No Prophet wrote:
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Coupon should be q-pawn. Except when wrongly pronounced as coo-pawn. Tuesday said chewsday is a little too much.
Ha! That is apparently a N. American regional variant pronunciation. I haven't heard it on this side of the pond, but no doubt somebody will put me straight on that directly.

Coopon or Cyoopon? (though sadly not including Canada).

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My children and dear wife say differently than me (they would also say 'differently than I'). My father is responsible for my manner of speech. I also say "khaki" like car-key if I'm being myself. As I've aged I actually observe myself code-switching (if that it the correct term), e.g., schedule as sked-jŭl or shed-yule.

It's pop, never soda.

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