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orfeo
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What I wanted to say to you in Dead Horses has cooled somewhat over the last half hour or so. So let's just stick with the cooled down version.
You are a loathsome, spineless turd and a Pharisee to go with it. Who the fuck made you Judge of Theology? I hope you contract leprosy.
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I fear you are wasting your breath. Mr Langton thinks he is of a superior intellect and that any disagreements on logic are down to his lack of communication skills in explaining the obvious to those of lower intellect.
In this, of course, he is completely wrong. He fails to appreciate that many here have higher degrees, have been thinking and studying the bible for a long time and have simply come up with different conclusions.
In reality, SL is a textbook case of the Dunning–Kruger effect; he simply cannot process the fact that he lacks competence in any area that he has spent time thinking about.
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Originally posted by mr cheesy:
I fear you are wasting your breath.
This part here isn't aiming for a response, or a change of heart. When the response to my 1st complaint was to double the insult (now I'm not just ignoring the Bible, I'm ignoring Jesus as well), it became clear that there wouldn't be the slightest good grace coming my way.
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His arguments are not based on logic, they are based on his feelings - which I doubt he'll ever change they are so entrenched.
I'd keep well away from him, he's toxic.
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I tend to feel sorry for Langton, as he seems to be so far up a cul de sac of his own making. No point in engaging with him.
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Power attracts the corruptible. Suspect any who seek it.
Frank Herbert.
Pyx_e's guide to becoming a religion scholar
1/ The Bible is THE WORD OF GOD
2/ If I do what it says the I get THE POWER OF GOD (not unlike the power of castle Grayskull I imagine)
3/ Power is always defined by "the right" and "the wrong." Find "the wrong" in you then find people to give it to (poors , poofs and peculiars always a good start). Pour out your hate for yourself on them and use THE POWER OF GOD to justify it.
4/ Sit pretty.
There. Easy. Good job I never do any of that shit.
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
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Power attracts the corruptible. Suspect any who seek it.
Frank Herbert.
Pyx_e's guide to becoming a religion scholar
1/ The Bible is THE WORD OF GOD
2/ If I do what it says the I get THE POWER OF GOD (not unlike the power of castle Grayskull I imagine)
3/ Power is always defined by "the right" and "the wrong." Find "the wrong" in you then find people to give it to (poors , poofs and peculiars always a good start). Pour out your hate for yourself on them and use THE POWER OF GOD to justify it.
4/ Sit pretty.
There. Easy. Good job I never do any of that shit.
Pyx_e
Mt 20.26 : It will not be so among you, but whoever desires to become great among you must be your servant. dammit
Quotes file. Wanders off to the Circus to make it so!
That is genius. And so accurate. Unfortunately.
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by orfeo;
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Who the fuck made you Judge of Theology?
NOBODY made me 'Judge of Theology', and I don't think of myself that way. I'm simply putting out my conclusions and some idea how I reached those conclusions for others to discuss. If I've got it wrong I actually want to know so I can change; and I really appreciate people who actually do discuss.
I find it a lot harder to appreciate people who just throw at me stuff like the above instead of discussing what I write. Or people who vaguely spout about how "there may be other interpretations" - look, a voracious reader like myself is well aware that there are other opinions around and I'll have checked out a lot of them too.
And I find it hard to take seriously one mr cheesy since the day he actually asked "What is the relevance of 'state Islam' to IS?"
I mean, isn't it rather obvious that when an organisation calls itself "ISLAMIC STATE", then 'State Islam' is likely to be a useful part of discussion of that organisation?
After nearly 70 years of living with AS, I'm pretty well aware of my limitations; but also of my strengths. I don't claim anything like perfection; but again, you won't convince me just by insulting rhetorical questions....
You will find back on the main thread a clarification of why (unusually) I did accuse orfeo of taking neither the Bible nor Jesus seriously. And I still think that while he was making a particular assertion my response was thoroughly justified....
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Bollocks was it. The accusation is that you took a couple of quotes about the divorce of heterosexual marrieds to mean something about gays.
Which, apparently, you're still doing.
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Originally posted by Steve Langton:
You will find back on the main thread a clarification of why (unusually) I did accuse orfeo of taking neither the Bible nor Jesus seriously.
Who the fuck made you judge of theology?
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orfeo
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Originally posted by Steve Langton:
You will find back on the main thread a clarification of why (unusually) I did accuse orfeo of taking neither the Bible nor Jesus seriously.
There is nothing unusual about it, and it's still as insulting as all hell.
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orfeo
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Oh, and quit blaming your AS. One of the most beautiful, sensitive posters I've encountered on the forum is also on the spectrum, and shows no signs of treating other people in the way that you do.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
Oh, and quit blaming your AS. One of the most beautiful, sensitive posters I've encountered on the forum is also on the spectrum, and shows no signs of treating other people in the way that you do.
SL, stfu re AS. TY.
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Originally posted by Steve Langton:
You will find back on the main thread a clarification of why (unusually) I did accuse orfeo of taking neither the Bible nor Jesus seriously. And I still think that while he was making a particular assertion my response was thoroughly justified....
Did it not occur to you that the issue of same-sex relationships, and what the Bible has to say about them, is likely to be something that a gay Christian like orfeo will think deeply and seriously about? Even if you haven't read his descriptions of how his views have developed (you might not have, I suppose, though it would slightly surprise me) it was at the very least a discourtesy to accuse him of the opposite.
As I've said on the DH thread, your interpretation of what orfeo was saying looked obviously wrong to me. I don't know what he could have said to make it more clear that he was disagreeing with YOUR interpretation that "male and female is the meaning of marriage" not with the fact that Jesus had cited two separate OT verses when responding to a question about divorce. But even if he had temporarily forgotten that Jesus had done this, I still can't see how the accusation was justified.
Why don't you do a search for orfeo's posts in Dead Horses and see what he's said there about how seriously he takes the Bible, and how carefully he has considered the issues before arriving at his present views?
If you do that, and then fail to conclude that you owe him an apology for your ill-judged remark, I don't think that anyone else is going to be able to help you, because that will mean that you don't recognise sincerity, faith and intelligence when it is staring you in the face.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by Steve Langton:
You will find back on the main thread a clarification of why (unusually) I did accuse orfeo of taking neither the Bible nor Jesus seriously.
There is nothing unusual about it, and it's still as insulting as all hell.
It is hard to see your beef. You want Jesus to approve of a gay lifestyle? Suck it up, he doesn't and he isn't changing. Show one serious interpreter that can turn black into even a mouldy gray by mixing the colours and I'll eat these words. Steve is perfectly correct, the Bible does not equivocate on this issue. I have a gay sibling, a gay cousin and a gay niece. Believe me, if it was possible I'd buy it. Homosexual sex is sinful just like adultery,fornication,beastiality and every other predilection that is not between man and wife. You are obviously used to people peeing in your pocket over this, particularly on this website so you throw a tantrum and homophobia accusations at everyone who dares to say God opposes this. God is not homophobic, he loves you like you are but he is not into leaving us in our sin issues with a big tick. I suggest you grow up and stop playing religious games. If you want to be a Christian you cannot be an active homosexual. If you want to be an active homosexual, you cannot be a genuine Christian. Nobody here made the rules. On the other side of eternity where we are all heading after a small soujourn in this life there will be no hiding from the truth and no place where most people agree with you. Sorry, I wish it were different...but it ain't, and it ain't love to say it is, and deep down, you know it. And as for the rest of you, just don't bother, there's no point.
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lilBuddha
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Bestiality? really? There is a lot of stuff in the bible that Christians don't think is right to do and you stupid bastards have to dance an epileptic tarantella just to work around them, and you have the balls to criticise a reasonable interpretation based on God being both competent and loving?
Fuck the Hell off, you brain damaged Australopithecus.
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Originally posted by Jamat:
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by Steve Langton:
You will find back on the main thread a clarification of why (unusually) I did accuse orfeo of taking neither the Bible nor Jesus seriously.
There is nothing unusual about it, and it's still as insulting as all hell.
It is hard to see your beef. You want Jesus to approve of a gay lifestyle? Suck it up, he doesn't and he isn't changing. Show one serious interpreter that can turn black into even a mouldy gray by mixing the colours and I'll eat these words.
And where does He condemn it, which is the real point. Nowhere does He approve any particular form of sexual behaviour and the oft-quoted passages by Paul are extremely ambiguous.
You talk of a gay lifestyle - just what do you mean by that please?
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by Jamat:
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by Steve Langton:
You will find back on the main thread a clarification of why (unusually) I did accuse orfeo of taking neither the Bible nor Jesus seriously.
There is nothing unusual about it, and it's still as insulting as all hell.
I'm sorry, I'm not homophobic but it's God, you see. He hates poofs.
There. Summarised it for you. Don't thank me.
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Originally posted by Jamat:
If you want to be a Christian you cannot be an active homosexual. If you want to be an active homosexual, you cannot be a genuine Christian. Nobody here made the rules. On the other side of eternity where we are all heading after a small soujourn in this life there will be no hiding from the truth and no place where most people agree with you. Sorry, I wish it were different...but it ain't, and it ain't love to say it is, and deep down, you know it. And as for the rest of you, just don't bother, there's no point.
Poor Jamat, so full of bogus rules. If you accept the evidence of evolution you can't be a Christian. If you are a Christian you can't accept that the Garden of Eden is a cross between a metaphor and a fairy tale.
Sure makes me happy I'm not a Jamat style genuine Christian and have to hold all those lies in my head and pretend they are true.
My sympathies to your gay relatives. I hope they managed to make it out of the brainwashing without too much damage.
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Originally posted by Jamat:
If you want to be an active homosexual, you cannot be a genuine Christian.
But bottoms and versatiles are ok, right?
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Sorry, Jamat. Real Christians know how to split up their homophobic diatribes into paragraphs.
But you'll only discover that for yourself when you stand before the Judgement Throne.
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Sorry, Jamat. Real Christians know how to split up their homophobic diatribes into paragraphs.
But you'll only discover that for yourself when you stand before the Judgement Throne.
A special Hell for those who cannot effectively communicate their bigotry? I do not remember that in Dante.
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Originally posted by Jamat:
If you want to be an active homosexual, you cannot be a genuine Christian.
The rest of the arguments? Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt, still can't arrive at a fully settled position (stop snickering in the back row there).
But this? This makes every other difference of opinion pale into insignificance in its judgmentalism.
I think you're a misguided, legalistic, dispensationalist homophobe. But I don't call your salvation into question as a result. That is between you and the Lord, just as it is for everyone else.
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It's interesting how bigots often say, 'deep down you know it', (Jamat above), as if they are clairvoyant. I suppose a different point of view isn't just difficult for them, but implausible or impossible. I have even heard someone say to an atheist, 'you do believe in God, but you have to deny it'. Yikes, save me from monolithic, well, monoliths. .
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I've often wondered about the reasoning behind this. Presumably also if you are committing any sin at all no matter how large or small, then at that very moment you commit it or decide to do it, then you are not a Christian. So, for instance, if I decide to tell a lie and then tell it and never correct it, for the entire period that this lasts, I am not a Christian. To me that seems a rather precarious existence in the freedom of the Christian life and I could die at any point and find myself on the wrong side of the road, so to speak. It also seems to me to be a complete denial of the belief in the power of sin shattered; or perhaps the power of sin is absolute and the power of God is intensely fragile and weak?
I suspect thought that it is none of these things, but rather that through certain acts of gymnastic prowess Jamat genuinely believes that only these sins matter for salvation.
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How do people get through life with this degree of precariousness? I mean always falling into sin and so on. I suppose they say that Christ's blood streams in the firmament, which saves me.
It's a bit like a horror film to me. 'Gymnastic prowess' is good.
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
How do people get through life with this degree of precariousness? I mean always falling into sin and so on.
Easy. It's the others who fall into sin.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Sorry, Jamat. Real Christians know how to split up their homophobic diatribes into paragraphs.
But you'll only discover that for yourself when you stand before the Judgement Throne.
A special Hell for those who cannot effectively communicate their bigotry? I do not remember that in Dante.
I think Jamat communicates his uncaring, unChristian bigotry very well - even without line breaks.
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Dear me, who should I listen to? The righteous arse who thinks such things about several members of his own family on account of what "God said", or the God who spoke directly to me in 2007 and then threw in another word of knowledge when I wavered?
Who do I follow? Jamat or Jesus?
It's such a tough choice. On the one hand there's some bloke who thinks reading a text from a different time, culture and language is a walk in the park, and on the other hand there's a profound moment that caused me to reexamine everything I thought I knew about the Bible.
It's so DIFFICULT to decide who I'm more persuaded by.
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The bit where I'm used to people... peeing in my pocket? I think that's supposed to be a claim that I'm used to everyone being just fine with homosexuality.
Now THAT was funny. Totally delusional.
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
How do people get through life with this degree of precariousness? I mean always falling into sin and so on.
Easy. It's the others who fall into sin.
Y'all are in error, because you do not recognise the power of the living Word.
The "Word" in this case is "lifestyle". People like Jamat can certainly sin - they can be hateful, dishonest, judgmental and unfair, and, indeed, they frequently are all of those things - but all that is covered by the blood of Christ because they don't have a hateful, dishonest, judgmental or unfair lifestyle. They make bad decisions, but what they don't do is wake up each morning and decide that today they are going to live in a way displeasing to God yet again.
Whereas gay people do actually decide to be gay every day. It's not like they make the occasional bad decision - they almost seem to have decided that being gay is who they are. They've chosen a sinful lifestyle, which is really utterly and completely different to all the selfish and immoral shit that normal people like Jamat do, and it's that that means that they can't be proper Christians, but the rest of us can.
That's why, even though anyone using the phrase "gay lifestyle" here gets relentlessly mocked for saying something which to the unenlightened appears to be so meaningless and stupid, they keep on and on saying it. It's an indispensable concept to the homophobe - not just an antidote to empathy, but the one thing in their armoury that is greater than the grace of God to sinners.
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Originally posted by Jamat:
Sorry, I wish it were different...but it ain't
That's an odd comment, because I can't imagine saying it about anything that I believed to be a sin.
I don't, for example, wish that the rule against adultery were different, and that's because I think I understand why adultery is wrong, why its better not to commit adultery, and why the world would be worse if more people did. I suppose that I could, in moments of temptation, go so far as to wish that I had a special and personal dispensation from the general rule, but because I believe that there are good reasons why adultery is wrong, I can't also wish that God were OK with it.
If I did say that I wished the rule were different, not just for me but for everyone, I think it would be fair to conclude that I didn't understand why the rule is what it is, and that I hadn't seen or understood why adultery was wrong.
If you genuinely believe that God has forbidden gay sex, but wish he hadn't, does it not follow that you don't know why God did so? That's where a lot of us started off thinking about this. We were told the rule, but not the reasons, and at some point we began to feel uncomfortable not knowing, and wishing that the rule were different.
I think it's legitimate for someone starting from their to ask what the rule really is, whether the texts really mean what they are said to mean, whether there is an alternative interpretation that is as faithful but more comprehensible. I'm not saying that you need to start by looking for justifications for ignoring the rule - just to ask if you (or anyone) can articulate an ethically convincing case that a loving and committed same-sex relationship is a wicked thing rightfully condemned, and try to understand the contrary point of view.
I wish I could tell you that if you start that line of enquiry you will find a revisionist interpretation that satisfies you, but I can't - many of us can't get from where you appear to be to comfortable and whole-hearted affirmation. What I think I can promise is that the more you think seriously about it the more you will appreciate that there are people genuinely and sincerely trying to follow Jesus with a range of honestly held opinions on this issue.
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Originally posted by Eliab:
That's why, even though anyone using the phrase "gay lifestyle" here gets relentlessly mocked for saying something which to the unenlightened appears to be so meaningless and stupid, they keep on and on saying it. It's an indispensable concept to the homophobe - not just an antidote to empathy, but the one thing in their armoury that is greater than the grace of God to sinners.
Thanks for that Eliab - I hadn't thought about it that way. So, in their mind - gay people, even those who are married, who choose non-celibacy are choosing to be constantly 'in sin' much as co-habiting unmarried heterosexuals used to be seen?
'Living in sin' without the option to marry?
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I am currently wrestling with my sermon for tomorrow (so obviously I'm on the Ship!) on Matthew 5:21-37. As it stands at the moment, a reasonable precis would be:
"Never trust a two eyed fundamentalist"
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Jamat....
As someone who raised a clutch of children and for over 40 years has worked in childcare, could i be allowed to point out one very obvious failing in your deliberations so far?
What you are hearing is NOT a tantrum.
Tantrums...in case you are not up to speed with toddlers....involve much flaying around and a total inability to either process thought or convey those thoughts in anything resembling coherent speech.
Your choice of words is inept.
(imho)
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Originally posted by Jamat:
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by Steve Langton:
You will find back on the main thread a clarification of why (unusually) I did accuse orfeo of taking neither the Bible nor Jesus seriously.
There is nothing unusual about it, and it's still as insulting as all hell.
It is hard to see your beef. You want Jesus to approve of a gay lifestyle? Suck it up, he doesn't and he isn't changing. Show one serious interpreter that can turn black into even a mouldy gray by mixing the colours and I'll eat these words. Steve is perfectly correct, the Bible does not equivocate on this issue. I have a gay sibling, a gay cousin and a gay niece. Believe me, if it was possible I'd buy it. Homosexual sex is sinful just like adultery,fornication,beastiality and every other predilection that is not between man and wife. You are obviously used to people peeing in your pocket over this, particularly on this website so you throw a tantrum and homophobia accusations at everyone who dares to say God opposes this. God is not homophobic, he loves you like you are but he is not into leaving us in our sin issues with a big tick. I suggest you grow up and stop playing religious games. If you want to be a Christian you cannot be an active homosexual. If you want to be an active homosexual, you cannot be a genuine Christian. Nobody here made the rules. On the other side of eternity where we are all heading after a small soujourn in this life there will be no hiding from the truth and no place where most people agree with you. Sorry, I wish it were different...but it ain't, and it ain't love to say it is, and deep down, you know it. And as for the rest of you, just don't bother, there's no point.
What a pile of pharisaic bullshit. Idolatrous, heretical pharisaic bullshit at that.
Human sexuality is a gift of God in creation. Our job is to live it out lovingly and creatively not look a loving creator in the mouth just for the self-righteous kicks, or to make a judgmental deity in our own image and to the same end.
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I've often wondered about the reasoning behind this. Presumably also if you are committing any sin at all no matter how large or small, then at that very moment you commit it or decide to do it, then you are not a Christian. So, for instance, if I decide to tell a lie and then tell it and never correct it, for the entire period that this lasts, I am not a Christian. To me that seems a rather precarious existence in the freedom of the Christian life and I could die at any point and find myself on the wrong side of the road, so to speak. It also seems to me to be a complete denial of the belief in the power of sin shattered; or perhaps the power of sin is absolute and the power of God is intensely fragile and weak?.
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After nearly 70 years of living with AS, I'm pretty well aware of my limitations; but also of my strengths. I don't claim anything like perfection; but again, you won't convince me just by insulting rhetorical questions....
Which did you mean by AS? Asperger's syndrome or autistic spectrum? In either case it includes me.
I am used to being patronised by neuro-typical types, I let them off, they dont understand. But I feel patronised by someone claiming to be living with AS. This is a first, congratulations.
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... After nearly 70 years of living with AS, I'm pretty well aware of my limitations; but also of my strengths. I don't claim anything like perfection; but again, you won't convince me just by insulting rhetorical questions. ....
So you've been unrepentantly living the Aspie lifestyle your entire life. Even if God did make you an Aspie, you don't have to practice your aspieness. Behaviour is a choice, after all.
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No matter how big the park, that is definitely beyond the perimeter fence.
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Originally posted by Steve Langton:
... After nearly 70 years of living with AS, I'm pretty well aware of my limitations; but also of my strengths. I don't claim anything like perfection; but again, you won't convince me just by insulting rhetorical questions. ....
So you've been unrepentantly living the Aspie lifestyle your entire life. Even if God did make you an Aspie, you don't have to practice your aspieness. Behaviour is a choice, after all.
Not always.
But where AS may make you react badly in a face to face context (happens to me occasionally) on internet fora you can write a response, pause, calm down, review it and then post. There is no excuse here. [junior hosting, sorry]
To then not only then stand by your abusive posting and use AS as an excuse is not down to having AS, it is down to being a dick.
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Not always.
I'm not sure she's speaking in her own voice here. Irony meter calibrations £30.
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Irony calibration is in $ only as Americans are the ones that cannot detect it naturally. But SM is Canadian if IIRC. As they are half British and half American,* do they do irony?
*Ecept those that are also half French.
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Seeing as her comments were on this thread, I'd say SM's comments were definitely ironic.
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Irony calibration is in $ only as Americans are the ones that cannot detect it naturally. But SM is Canadian if IIRC. As they are half British and half American,* do they do irony?
*Ecept those that are also half French.
That's just it. We Americans don't even HAVE irony meters because for us it just doesn't exist. Nothing to calibrate. But the one who needs calibrating is not SM but Balaam, who is I believe British.
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Still doesn't answer my question about Canadians.
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I generally don't do irony myself. Either it's wrinkles or wear a cardigan on top of the shirt. I actually think it's a generational thing, not a national thing. If you understand what I didn't mean.
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Still doesn't answer my question about Canadians.
I don't dare speak about Canadians. I'm hoping they'll take me in if this Trump shit gets too bad. I don't want to offend any of them who might have friends in the immigration service.
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Originally posted by Steve Langton:
... After nearly 70 years of living with AS, I'm pretty well aware of my limitations; but also of my strengths. I don't claim anything like perfection; but again, you won't convince me just by insulting rhetorical questions. ....
So you've been unrepentantly living the Aspie lifestyle your entire life. Even if God did make you an Aspie, you don't have to practice your aspieness. Behaviour is a choice, after all.
Isn't "living the Aspie lifestyle" a modern description of what the Bible called "being possessed by Demons"? Or was that only non-prophetic schizophrenia that got described that way?
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