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Enoch
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... Angela Leadsom has, I gather, impressed some party members, and has more personality, and is a much better speaker, than Gove. She's rather thin on experience, though, but I'd probably rate her as more likely than Fox to get the support from MPs, but still an outside chance at best.
Having heard her several times on World at One over the last few months, she would be a dreadful destiny for the rest of us to fall into - complacent, not very intelligent, and either not sharp enough to see the flaws in her own rhetoric or intellectually dishonest.
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I listened to Gove's speech and his responses to questions. A fluent and confident performance, yet I was left with the impression that he has lost the plot. I think those trying to persuade him to stand down are, probably, his best friends. Trying to rescue him from a delusion.
Andrea Leadsom (who I don't rate very much) looks to be in a good position to advance her candidacy at Gove's expense. Heard her campaign manager on the Daily Politics this morning observe "May the best woman win". "May" is an interesting word in that sentence.
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Callan
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Originally posted by Enoch:
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Originally posted by Leorning Cniht:
... Angela Leadsom has, I gather, impressed some party members, and has more personality, and is a much better speaker, than Gove. She's rather thin on experience, though, but I'd probably rate her as more likely than Fox to get the support from MPs, but still an outside chance at best.
Having heard her several times on World at One over the last few months, she would be a dreadful destiny for the rest of us to fall into - complacent, not very intelligent, and either not sharp enough to see the flaws in her own rhetoric or intellectually dishonest.
I have heard Leadsom described as Mrs Thatcher without the crippling sense of self doubt. I suspect she's also Mrs Thatcher without the Macmillanite One Nation concern for the poor.
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Until Thursday last week, I couldn't have imagined a more dismal topic than the American Presidential election. Good job, everyone, for proving me wrong.
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Originally posted by Barnabas62:
I listened to Gove's speech and his responses to questions. A fluent and confident performance, yet I was left with the impression that he has lost the plot.
That man is not Prime Ministerial material. He's also likely to put voters off at an election.
Out of all of them Theresa May is the only one who seems plausible. Almost nobody's ever heard of Crabb or Leadsome and neither seems to have much charisma. Liam Fox doesn't stand out in any way and Gove doesn't have leadership qualities. May is the only one I can see mixing with heads of state on equal terms. I believe she could do the job.
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Apart from anything else, he looks like a duck. A mad duck. (So what? you say. Cameron looks like an unhealthy chipolata, Iain Duncan Smith is clearly Nosferatu and Michael Howard was played by Bela Lugosi).
But more than that, assassins never prosper.
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chris stiles
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Out of all of them Theresa May is the only one who seems plausible. Almost nobody's ever heard of Crabb or Leadsome and neither seems to have much charisma. Liam Fox doesn't stand out in any way and Gove doesn't have leadership qualities. May is the only one I can see mixing with heads of state on equal terms. I believe she could do the job.
Crabb has his belief that gayness is a mental illness that can be cured by prayer running against him.
Liam Fox was essentially sacked for being unfit for government.
May is an authoritarian who doesn't know what consensual politics means - the sort who appeals to middle aged pub bores who take relish in inflicting pain on someone else whilst fondly imagining that doing so makes them a hard headed realist.
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My subjective impression of this morning's front pages in the Brexit press:
Express: implicitly for Gove;
Sun and Telegraph: implicitly against Gove;
Mail: explicitly for May.
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Notwithstanding, the carnage on the Labour benches at the moment this whole business really ought to put paid to the notion of the Conservatives as a serious party of government. Watching MPs pivot from remain and then to Boris Johnson and thence to erm, Someone Else! has not been an edifying spectacle.
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An aside. I can't believe what has happened in the UK in just over a week.
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Absolutely. It goes to show how thin the veneer of political stability is over the chaos that lies beneath. And we have no written constitution to tell us what we can & can't do, and no proper separation of powers to reign in the politicians. The real crisis of democracy in this country has nothing to do with the EU.
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Never let a cornered rat see daylight past your shoulders.
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That depends on whether UKIP would be savvy and disciplined enough to take advantage of the situation. If they were they would indeed have a golden opportunity to make some hay and steal a stack of Conservative votes on the right. It is eminently possible that they will start in-fighting just like everybody else and let that opportunity slip (I hope so).
Well, they have already threatened to expel their sole MP ...
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In the event of a Leave victory we thought it was the Tories who were going to implode, yet now this is exactly what's happening to Labour. If it wasn't for the fact that politicians are paid an exorbitant amount of money to do the job they do then the current situation would be extremely hilarious.
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TurquoiseTastic
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Politicians are not paid an exorbitant amount of money. Politicians are reasonably recompensed for the utterly thankless task they are entrusted with. The widespread (and mostly undeserved) contempt for politicians is a major part of our current problem.
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Originally posted by TurquoiseTastic:
Politicians are not paid an exorbitant amount of money. Politicians are reasonably recompensed for the utterly thankless task they are entrusted with. The widespread (and mostly undeserved) contempt for politicians is a major part of our current problem.
Facts? We don't need no stinking Facts.
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Originally posted by Ricardus:
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Originally posted by TurquoiseTastic:
That depends on whether UKIP would be savvy and disciplined enough to take advantage of the situation. If they were they would indeed have a golden opportunity to make some hay and steal a stack of Conservative votes on the right. It is eminently possible that they will start in-fighting just like everybody else and let that opportunity slip (I hope so).
Well, they have already threatened to expel their sole MP ...
I could never understand why Carswell defected to UKIP. As far as I can see he's a libertarian who's in favour of free markets in everything including labour. I suppose this illustrates how UKIP is an unstable coalition between this sort of turbo-capitalist, and little Englander xenophobic nationalists.
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Some stinking facts:
MP's salary in May 2015 - £74,000
Average UK salary - £27,600 to April 2015
An MP is is paid nearly three times the average salary in the UK before expenses in 2016 and that is before we look at the distribution of wages in the UK. Article from 2009 from the BBC comparing MPs' wages with average salaries. In the intervening years MPs' salaries have increased substantially, unlike most salaries in the UK which increased on average by 0.1% last year following a number of years of recession when wages have not increased.
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Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
Some stinking facts:
MP's salary in May 2015 - £74,000
Average UK salary - £27,600 to April 2015
An MP is is paid nearly three times the average salary in the UK before expenses in 2016 and that is before we look at the distribution of wages in the UK. Article from 2009 from the BBC comparing MPs' wages with average salaries. In the intervening years MPs' salaries have increased substantially, unlike most salaries in the UK which increased on average by 0.1% last year following a number of years of recession when wages have not increased.
Unskilled jobs earn minimum wages. But being an MP takes a lot of work, and corporate directors and executives get paid 6 figure sums for less work. We lose a lot of talent because MPs are paid so (relatively) little.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Casineb:
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Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
Some stinking facts:
MP's salary in May 2015 - £74,000
Average UK salary - £27,600 to April 2015
An MP is is paid nearly three times the average salary in the UK before expenses in 2016 and that is before we look at the distribution of wages in the UK. Article from 2009 from the BBC comparing MPs' wages with average salaries. In the intervening years MPs' salaries have increased substantially, unlike most salaries in the UK which increased on average by 0.1% last year following a number of years of recession when wages have not increased.
Unskilled jobs earn minimum wages. But being an MP takes a lot of work, and corporate directors and executives get paid 6 figure sums for less work. We lose a lot of talent because MPs are paid so (relatively) little.
An MP is not a skill-based position. It requires being 18 and a citizen.
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TurquoiseTastic
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Hah. Sure, it takes no skill to be a really bad MP.
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lilBuddha
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And, remind me please, what is the pay difference between a good MP and a bad one?
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I didn't realise you thought performance-related pay was such a good idea. Seriously, the level of work, stress and unpleasantness directed at MPs makes me amazed that people will do the job for so little.
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Originally posted by Casineb:
Unskilled jobs earn minimum wages. But being an MP takes a lot of work, and corporate directors and executives get paid 6 figure sums for less work. We lose a lot of talent because MPs are paid so (relatively) little.
Not every back bench MP does work analogous to that of a corporate director and senior executive (and salaries rise for being even junior members of the cabinet).
Besides, perhaps the issue is not that MPs are paid too low but that there is too big a gap between the lowest and highest earning worker. You can raise the number of people willing to be MP by raising the salary - to an extent - but you'll have other issues when MPs are paid the same as the top 10% (or whatever) of society and are even less in touch with the struggles of the average voter.
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But being an MP takes a lot of work, and corporate directors and executives get paid 6 figure sums for less work. We lose a lot of talent because MPs are paid so (relatively) little.
I feel that the talent for getting paid a six figure sum for less work is a talent we can afford to lose.
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Originally posted by rolyn:
In the event of a Leave victory we thought it was the Tories who were going to implode, yet now this is exactly what's happening to Labour. If it wasn't for the fact that politicians are paid an exorbitant amount of money to do the job they do then the current situation would be extremely hilarious.
Arguments about how much MPs should be paid are a side show in the 'why this is not hilarious' stakes.
The country has been torn apart by a referendum that was founded on a campaign of lies conducted by flamboyant liars. Now they have now turned round and said 'sorry, we can't deliver what we told you you would get if you voted leave'. We have a constitutional crisis and simultaneously both the two major parties are rudderless. One has a leader who has fallen on his political sword. The other has an imaginary leader without leadership who refuses to realise he's out of his depth. If he was an honourable man and motivated by a passion for the good of his country, rather than an entryist, he'd have accepted the verdict of his shadow cabinet and gone.
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rolyn
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Originally posted by TurquoiseTastic:
Politicians are not paid an exorbitant amount of money. Politicians are reasonably recompensed for the utterly thankless task they are entrusted with. The widespread (and mostly undeserved) contempt for politicians is a major part of our current problem.
They are paid good money for not doing what they say they are going to do. This is where much of the contempt has come from.
In many ways the fallout from the referendum has taken the spotlight off of politicians themselves and left people feeling contempt for each other. Hopefully this will be temporary and the heat will return to those who purport to lead us. Regardless of salaries, I would say to a politician--- if you don't want the job then sling your hook.
That's where Corbyn comes in to my mind. He's the only one showing metal in the middle of this. If a split Tory Party thinks this fiasco isn't going to haunt them right up to the next Election, (even if it's 2020), they are dead wrong.
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Read somewhere in passing that Mrs Leadsome has a deeply held Christian faith. Anyone know what light or shade of Christendom that might be?
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Ariel
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Originally posted by chris stiles:
Liam Fox was essentially sacked for being unfit for government.
As heard on a vox pop on Radio 5:
"Liam Fox, wasn't he sacked for doing something?"
Indeed. I can think of lots of politicians who should be sacked for doing something.
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Originally posted by Truman White:
Read somewhere in passing that Mrs Leadsome has a deeply held Christian faith. Anyone know what light or shade of Christendom that might be?
Can't find any detail, other than she abstained from the equal marriage vote.
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She's doing quite well on the Marr show at the moment.
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Though if she says "I genuinely believe" one more time I may put a brick through the screen. Also, she has refused to confirm she won't use Nigel Farage.
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Gove, attempting to claim he's not treacherous on Marr show. Not being convincing. Lots of "I love my country" stuff, and similar cliche.
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It's hilarious. He declares he's a man of principles. He talks about serving the country. Doing what is right?
Is he bonkers? Andrew Marr is doing really well in letting him hang himself and then going for the jugular.
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Andrea Leadsom attends Bible Study Groups in the Commons, describes herself as a very committed Christian but not a regular churchgoer.
Source.
She is also on record (2013) in saying that leaving the EU would be a disaster. I know it's the Mail, but click on the link. She "nailed her colours to the mast" but clearly un-nailed them some time later.
Source
Ain't politics "fun".
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Theresa May goes to church, apparently, although her faith seems to be of slightly less interest to journalists.
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... i.e. of less interest to journalists than Angela's faith. Maybe Theresa is CofE and Angela is something more exotic?
Angela didn't vote for SSM, so perhaps socially liberal commentators feel more anxiety about where she's coming from.
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Originally posted by rolyn:
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Originally posted by TurquoiseTastic:
Politicians are not paid an exorbitant amount of money. Politicians are reasonably recompensed for the utterly thankless task they are entrusted with. The widespread (and mostly undeserved) contempt for politicians is a major part of our current problem.
They are paid good money for not doing what they say they are going to do. This is where much of the contempt has come from.
In many ways the fallout from the referendum has taken the spotlight off of politicians themselves and left people feeling contempt for each other. Hopefully this will be temporary and the heat will return to those who purport to lead us. Regardless of salaries, I would say to a politician--- if you don't want the job then sling your hook.
That's where Corbyn comes in to my mind. He's the only one showing metal in the middle of this. If a split Tory Party thinks this fiasco isn't going to haunt them right up to the next Election, (even if it's 2020), they are dead wrong.
Personally, I think that this sort of Betty Swollocks is one of the reasons for our plight. The problems with which Members of Parliament wrestle are nigh on intractable. In most instances we have a range of options, none of which are, frankly, ideal. And we assume that people trying to deal with the issues are just in it for themselves when most of them could be earning equivalent salaries elsewhere. So we turn to politicians who tell us that none of our problems are intractable. We vote for Corbyn because he will end austerity by, um, well, we'll get back to you with regard to that one. But he has principles! Or we vote to Leave the EU because, foreigners!, and we if we leave we can have all the good bits but none of the bits we don't like because, democracy!, forgetting as Martin Schauble told the Greeks, that quite a few of us are elected, actually. But never mind, these people have great policies. They are going to be really great. They are going to be so great that we will be totally sick of greatness. We can all have the fucking moon on a stick because we deserve it and any one who points out the obvious flaw in this plan is disregarding the Very Real Concerns of The People. As Gaius Silius observed in 'Claudius The God': "When you talk about love and liberty everything seems so simple". Indeed it does. But just remember how it all worked out for him.
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We vote for Corbyn because he will end austerity by, um,
Partly old fashioned Keynesian stimulus using the low cost of borrowing, coupled with the McDonnell's economic plan for the longer term (drawn up in conjunction with a number of economists including David Blanchflower and Thomas Piketty).
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Originally posted by chris stiles:
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Originally posted by Callan:
We vote for Corbyn because he will end austerity by, um,
Partly old fashioned Keynesian stimulus using the low cost of borrowing, coupled with the McDonnell's economic plan for the longer term (drawn up in conjunction with a number of economists including David Blanchflower and Thomas Piketty).
Blanchflower and Pikkety have both given it up as a bad job, citing Corbyn's performance in the EU referendum and Blanchflower has added for good measure that Corbyn ought to step down.
In any event, to use old fashioned Keynesian stimulus etc. one does have to win a General Election. Do get back to me when that shows any signs of working out between now and the Parousia.
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In any event, to use old fashioned Keynesian stimulus etc. one does have to win a General Election. Do get back to me when that shows any signs of working out between now and the Parousia.
Okay, but your initial criticism was that there was no economic plan to end austerity.
At the moment the PLP are managing to be more incompetent than Corbyn - they want him to step down, but have no idea what comes next - or indeed have a serious candidate for leadership.
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Originally posted by Callan:
In any event, to use old fashioned Keynesian stimulus etc. one does have to win a General Election. Do get back to me when that shows any signs of working out between now and the Parousia.
Okay, but your initial criticism was that there was no economic plan to end austerity.
At the moment the PLP are managing to be more incompetent than Corbyn - they want him to step down, but have no idea what comes next - or indeed have a serious candidate for leadership.
I think the plp are shadowing Brexit - no plan, no leader, rhetoric with no substance. I mean, why would you mount a chaotic leadership bid with the Tories in such a mess? That takes genius.
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... i.e. of less interest to journalists than Angela's faith. Maybe Theresa is CofE and Angela is something more exotic?
![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) Or maybe it's just that she has - in the past - been fairly vocal about her faith.
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Well, you obviously know more about that than I do. That doesn't mean I deserve an eye roll!
What exciting things has Angela said about her faith in the past?
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According to a reasonably well-placed source of mine, all five of the Tory candidates in the running are some brand of Christian; one Catholic, one middle-of-the-road CoE, and three evangelicals.
My source did not say who was who, but I guess that can be worked out.
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There's a perceptive piece in the online edition of The Scotsman which itemises some of Theresa May's less memorable moments. One wonders if she would have remained in post under a leader less reluctant to shuffle ministers than Cameron.
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First round today: most likely scenario is disgraced former Defence Secretary Dr. Liam Fox gets eliminated in a "life imitating art" reconstruction of the scene in House of Cards where an eccentric backbencher puts himself up for the Party Leadership and gets one vote.
Worst case scenario: Stephen Crabb eliminated. Notwithstanding his somewhat bonkers views on homosexuality in the past, now largely repudiated (more joy in heaven and all that) he voted Remain and has come out (sorry Stephen, no pun intended) for saying outright that EU nationals in the UK should be granted indefinite leave to remain. So it he goes down in flames on the first ballot, it indicates that the Parliamentary Tory Party are probably about to engage in an epic fit of bastardry which will make us all nostalgic for Mrs Thatcher in full on hubris mode.
Best case scenario: Since The Event there are no best case scenarios. Stay Indoors.
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TurquoiseTastic
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I think the final two will be May and Leadsom, and the party members will choose Leadsom much to the MPs' dismay.
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chris stiles
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
According to a reasonably well-placed source of mine, all five of the Tory candidates in the running are some brand of Christian; one Catholic, one middle-of-the-road CoE, and three evangelicals.
There are politicians who are Christians and others who are not, there are politicians who are competent and others who are not. There is little correlation between the two.
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Mrs Leadsom is one of the evangelical candidates: she has supported the work of Christian Concern in the past, so obviously isn't put off by Mrs Minchiello-Williams.
Mrs May has been a regular churchgoer all her life: she was one of the first people who welcomed us to the parish when we lived in the Thames valley and it was only much later that I realise she was also our MP. A genuinely lovely lady.
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