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Callan
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Originally posted by Callan:
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Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Well, if Labour demand an election right now, that definitely shows their suicidal drift. Still, I wouldn't put it past them.
Oh, they already have done. Six minutes later they announced their leadership contest. There were Kamikaze pilots in the Second World War with a better honed sense of self-preservation.
I imagine the logic is that either a) it won't happen or b) the leadership contest would be suspended and the constituency parties might chose deselect candidates who don't support the current leadership - cunningly producing a plp that does have confidence in Corbyn ...
a) is plausible as oppositions generally call for elections in these circumstances. IIRC, Kinnock did in 1990 and the Tories did in 2007. In both cases it was grandstanding in the knowledge that neither Major nor Brown would oblige (in Brown's case it was a terrible mistake, as we now know. I suspect that the Tories were trying to spook him and succeeded.)
b) is batshit crazy. The Tories are 8% ahead in the polls. So probably not a good time to try and deselect 172, or however many it is now, MPs. Some of them will see off the deselection. Others will stand as independents and either win or split the vote so someone else sneaks in. There may be a road to socialism that involves increasing Teresa May's majority but I'm pretty sure that it only exists in Giles Fraser's head.
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Quite, I think a) is probably the truth.
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How can she fail? What are the risks? Those are rhetorical, but answer as you May ... She was heir apparent pre-crisis. Her persona and track record don't look like those of the recipient of a poison chalice. Unlike Joker Johnson. Who else? Joke Gove? That Leadsome girl?
She's a pro fox hunting warmonger, pro tuition fee increases, makes One Nation Tory noises, ran a very threatening 'Go Home Or Face Arrest' van-ad campaign, is born again on LGBT.
What's not to like if you're a working-middle class conservative?
A 'Bloody Difficult Woman', tough, pragmatic; praise from Ken Clarke. The best Tory PM we never had.
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I think she was anything but heir apparent. That was Osborne or Johnson - depending on which Bullingdon faction you belonged to.
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Originally posted by Firenze:
I think she was anything but heir apparent. That was Osborne or Johnson - depending on which Bullingdon faction you belonged to.
I'd (cautiously) disagree with that, actually. Away from the media noise, Boris only ever had a hope if he could get through the MP's vote to the members (and there was always a substantial "stop Boris" caucus even before Gove got his knife out).
Osborne has been toast since last year, regularly polling single figures amongst the members on ConHome.
May has been solidly second choice behind whichever one of the glitterati was flavour of the week for about 4 years. Which is why, right from the moment Dave resigned, I cautiously expected her to get it - that and the fact that it fits the Tory pattern that the favourite never gets it.
Regardless of the press obsessing endlessly about which Bullingdonite was going to have their turn next, the reality on the ground has been different for quite a while.
The "Jim Hacker candidate" rides yet again.
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Martin60
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Bullingdonian surely?
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Gee D
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Originally posted by Firenze:
I think she was anything but heir apparent. That was Osborne or Johnson - depending on which Bullingdon faction you belonged to.
I can't speak of Osborne, save that he does not seem ever to have been very popular with any section of the Tories.
To put it at is most kindly, Boris is different. In Peter Principle terms, he was at the very limit of his abilities as Mayor of London. He's a lightweight, one who survives on being outrageous, and gives no indication that he's capable of thinking any idea through. He never had any chance of being elected, knew that and withdrew, I'd say.
I had a drink or 2 with Dlet and some of his mates this evening. The opinion was that Cameron would go quietly to the backbench after a bit of a holiday, work away loyally, and in a couple of years be re-elected leader to win the 2020 General Election.
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I think you, Dlet and his mates are putting too Australian a lens on things, GeeD. I can't think when that sort of scenario ever played out in the UK.
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Martin60
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Originally posted by Gee D:
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Originally posted by Firenze:
I think she was anything but heir apparent. That was Osborne or Johnson - depending on which Bullingdon faction you belonged to.
I can't speak of Osborne, save that he does not seem ever to have been very popular with any section of the Tories.
To put it at is most kindly, Boris is different. In Peter Principle terms, he was at the very limit of his abilities as Mayor of London. He's a lightweight, one who survives on being outrageous, and gives no indication that he's capable of thinking any idea through. He never had any chance of being elected, knew that and withdrew, I'd say.
I had a drink or 2 with Dlet and some of his mates this evening. The opinion was that Cameron would go quietly to the backbench after a bit of a holiday, work away loyally, and in a couple of years be re-elected leader to win the 2020 General Election.
Never happen. His judgement was appallingly impaired. It's May until a coup before 2025.
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We won't see much of Boris. He'll be out of the country a lot. Eating for Britain.
George Osborne is out ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
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Originally posted by Ariel:
We won't see much of Boris. He'll be out of the country a lot. Eating for Britain.
George Osborne is out
I hope you are right, that Boris will be zip-wiring his way into the hearts and souls of our friends around the world. I thought he had gone, gone gone but no.
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Originally posted by Ariel:
We won't see much of Boris. He'll be out of the country a lot. Eating for Britain.
George Osborne is out
Yup - just had my first Mcenroe moment of the May era. Bojo as Foreign Secretary
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I think this is going to be quite interesting.
I'm hanging on to the BBC's live broadcast in the hope of hearing that Jeremy Hunt has been replaced and has resigned from the government.
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Obviously I think Johnson should have been given the Embassy in Ulan Bator at best. But the fact that he will have to report in to the Headmistress ('Johnson, I'm sorry to see you've been slipping in your Conversational German. Frau Merkel is very sad. We will have to work a little harder this term, won't we?') may help.
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Originally posted by Beenster:
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Originally posted by Martin60:
How can she fail?
Appoint Boris as Foreign Secretary?
Oh sweet baby Jesus, Mohamed and Buddha.
Anyone still have a bomb shelter in their gardens?
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Maybe she thinks foreign summits are a bit boring now Mr Berlusconi has gone?
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I think the BoJo appointment may actually be quite clever. He'll be largely responsible for whatever Brexit deal we get, so won't be able to have another tilt at the leadership on a "May sold out on Brexit" ticket. He created this mess, he can sort it out. And if he fails, May can blame him and sack him.
There's also the time-honoured principle of keeping your friends close, and you enemies closer.
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I'm really very surprised by the Boris appointment. Maybe it's a "you broke it, you buy it" sort of thing.
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I wonder if Boris Johnson's ancestry will affect matters? Here we are, just after a referendum that had a subtext of keeping the Turks *out* and blow me, one of the top government jobs goes to a man with a Turkish great-grandfather.
Still, the entirely useless Osborne has gone. In Ship parlance it looks like he flounced a split second before he was planked.
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Boris will be a "drumming up trade" and "waving the flag" Foreign Secretary. I think it's been done before. You can get away with "not very good" in that job. Lots of travelling, free food and drink. Diplomacy will be delegated to the diplomats. No doubt there will be the odd gaffe. The Foreign Office can handle it.
Coupled with the David Davies and Liam Fox appointments, May has sung the Tory Brexiteers to sleep. With a small majority, that looks quite crafty to me. Some quite cute blame delegation in place. After all, Brexit means Brexit.
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...And we have to wait until tomorrow to find out what happens to Gove. That's going to be an interesting one.
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Originally posted by Ariel:
...And we have to wait until tomorrow to find out what happens to Gove. That's going to be an interesting one.
I'm sincerely hoping he's going to be getting very close to his gnome collection.
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Thinking a bit more about the foreign stuff. We have a Brexit Minister who presumably will be responsible for all things European and a Drumming up Trade Minister who will be doing a lot of what was traditionally the brief of the Foreign Sec. Still leaves plenty of room for mischief for Bojo but these other appointments could dilute the risks. Be interesting to see how responsibilities are divvied up in practice,
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Originally posted by Ariel:
...And we have to wait until tomorrow to find out what happens to Gove. That's going to be an interesting one.
I thought Gove would get the special job of negotiating our exit, but that has gone to David Davis who is 67 now and will be 71 come the next election, so this appointment is hardly career-limiting.
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I gather Osborne sent this tweet today:
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It's been a privilege to be Chancellor these last 6 yrs. Others will judge - I hope I've left the economy in a better state than I found it.
Oh dear George. History will judge and it won't be kind. No, you have made the economy fundamentally weaker.
Will not be missed.
Not that I expect much of Hammond.
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Johnson, Davis and Fox at the helm of every position dealing with foreign countries; I cannot tell whether Theresa May has a great sense of humour and will sack them in a few months or whether this is an actual calamity.
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Neither.
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I'm sure their respective civil servants will soon put them in the picture as to how much of the Brexiteer platform is actually feasible (very little) and what is just rabble-rousing carp (most of it). I expect they were all sent home with 3 red boxes last night.
Boris read about 2 pages, then decided it would be more fun to phone George Osborne and offer him a job in the Foreign Office. Bantahhh!
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I was pretty apathetic about politics until the last month or so -- so I am considerably one step behind but I'm making progress and just worked out that Philip Hammond is different from Richard Hammond. The rate the country is going nothing would surprise me so I had to double check.
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Originally posted by Joesaphat:
Johnson, Davis and Fox at the helm of every position dealing with foreign countries; I cannot tell whether Theresa May has a great sense of humour and will sack them in a few months or whether this is an actual calamity.
Agreed - I just hope we don't have to wait for such a calamity to find out!
On the subject of George Osborne, I know little about the country's finances, but it does seem to me that over the last six years he has tried and managed to reduce somewhat the huge debts the country has accumulated over the years, so that there might be a remote chance of not being in debt ... .. maybe after several hundred years I suppose. *sad face*
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Martin60
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She just has a great of humour. Or, NONE AT ALL!!! Eeek!
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Rocinante--
You said they were probably "sent home with 3 red boxes". Meaning? That they were fired?
Thx.
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Golden Key, Ministers have official red boxes. Civil servants put papers in the red boxes that their ministers need to read, understand and take decisions on. Often, this includes letters for them to sign. Ministers then take them home with them in the evening and are expected to deal with them overnight.
Some Ministers are more diligent than others. Boris does not have a reputation for diligence.
They're supposed to be kept locked. Every now and again there's a scandal when a minister leaves their red box in a taxi or on a seat in a train.
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Rocinante--
You said they were probably "sent home with 3 red boxes". Meaning? That they were fired?
Thx.
No, buried in paperwork and briefing material by the civil service. Basically code for the civil service having utter contempt for their capacity to do the job.
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SusanDoris.
Governments can hold up a piece of paper and say 'This is worth a billion quid, well it will be when you've all lent us someone else's money and we'll tax everyone but you to pay you a higher interest rate than you charge them to finance stuff they can't afford to buy outright while working in the schools and hospitals we build from the billion or working in other borrowers businesses.'.
Win, win, win, win. No?
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Ahhh. Thanks, both of you!
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Originally posted by Ariel:
...And we have to wait until tomorrow to find out what happens to Gove. That's going to be an interesting one.
He's out. Made my day.....He has the unfortunate capabililty of reminding me of Lionel Culver gone wrong.......I don't know why
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NHS employees across the country whooping with joy as they hear that Jeremy Hunt is out.
May smiles, briefly, turns to her chief of staff and says: "Better send Andrea Leadsom up, I suppose".
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Whateer else, we now have someone at the FO who speaks languages. Boris Johnson is fluent in French, German, Russian and Greek, plus what he terms as 'get-by' in a few more.
Underneath the image (and his own and others' pronouncements) there is a very good brain and an addiction to finding out everything around a subject - if ever ennobled he should choose two mongooses rampant as part of his arms.
Don't make the mistake of writing of BJ as a buffoon ...
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Originally posted by L'organist:
Whateer else, we now have someone at the FO who speaks languages. Boris Johnson is fluent in French, German, Russian and Greek, plus what he terms as 'get-by' in a few more.
Underneath the image (and his own and others' pronouncements) there is a very good brain and an addiction to finding out everything around a subject - if ever ennobled he should choose two mongooses rampant as part of his arms.
Don't make the mistake of writing of BJ as a buffoon ...
I've never thought of Boris as stupid in any way, but he does present himself as a bumbler, even a grinning idiot at times. He needs to acquire a bit of gravitas very, very fast.
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He's undoubtedly clever but cleverness is not the same thing as good judgement. And having written a number of unflattering things about the US President and his most likely successor and having scattered his columns with various bits of evidence of his casual racism is not, perhaps, an obvious qualification for the Foreign Office.
Still, on the plus side, good to see a remainer getting the gig.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Arethosemyfeet:
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Originally posted by Golden Key:
Rocinante--
You said they were probably "sent home with 3 red boxes". Meaning? That they were fired?
Thx.
No, buried in paperwork and briefing material by the civil service. Basically code for the civil service having utter contempt for their capacity to do the job.
It's also why any minister worth his job works from the bottom of the box. Not because the papers there are older but because crucial items get "buried". A trusty private secretary is worth their weight in gold too.
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Jeremy Hunt is staying at the Department of Health.
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Back to Boris: you can bet that TM will have told him in no uncertain terms that the nonsense has to stop.
Justine Greening gets Justice - so Home Office and Justice an all-female team.
Philip Hammond at the Treasury could be interesting - he's not as grey as you'd think either: anyone else remember him on The Daily Politics with a Peppa Pig standing in for the non-appearing representative from the Labour Party? And he put a bomb (pun intended) under the lacklustre civil servants at the MoD.
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Back to Boris: you can bet that TM will have told him in no uncertain terms that the nonsense has to stop.
and you can also bet that this would have passed in one ear and out the other.
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Originally posted by SusanDoris:
On the subject of George Osborne, I know little about the country's finances, but it does seem to me that over the last six years he has tried and managed to reduce somewhat the huge debts the country has accumulated over the years, so that there might be a remote chance of not being in debt ... .. maybe after several hundred years I suppose. *sad face*
This is the thing. The national debt is not the issue. It's not that it does not matter, it's that the fettish for debt reduction has made all of us poorer. And austerity fails in its own terms. Making reducing the debt actually more difficult.
UK national debt is not high by historic standards. And it is completely managable.
Austerity reduced the size of the UK economy and made paying it harder.
The left-wing fire-brand Martin Wolf (senior economics editor for the FT) describes Osborne's policies as 'Insane'
Osbornomics (from my blog)
The Cost of Austerity (from a real economist)
Put simply, reducing the deficit should never have been the first priority. Even if it was, Osborne has completely failed in his own terms and made it more difficult to reduce the national debt. And more importantly, the fundementals of a strong economy in the medium to long term have been significantly undermined (Wolf has written extensively on this point).
So, No, Mr Osborne, history will not be kind.
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ISTM that Johnson likes to be liked. He now has a job dealing with people who have every reason to cordially despise him.
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Originally posted by L'organist:
Back to Boris: you can bet that TM will have told him in no uncertain terms that the nonsense has to stop.
Justine Greening gets Justice - so Home Office and Justice an all-female team.
Philip Hammond at the Treasury could be interesting - he's not as grey as you'd think either: anyone else remember him on The Daily Politics with a Peppa Pig standing in for the non-appearing representative from the Labour Party? And he put a bomb (pun intended) under the lacklustre civil servants at the MoD.
It wasn't quite Roy Hattersley and the tub of lard on HIGNFY, but of course it's had an airing today.
Hammond and Peppa Pig
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Originally posted by alienfromzog:
Put simply, reducing the deficit should never have been the first priority. Even if it was, Osborne has completely failed in his own terms and made it more difficult to reduce the national debt. And more importantly, the fundementals of a strong economy in the medium to long term have been significantly undermined (Wolf has written extensively on this point).
So, No, Mr Osborne, history will not be kind.
AFZ
Reducing the deficit was very important. Not to the economy, not to the country, but it was very important politically especially with regard to getting elected in 2010. It was as important then as "taking back control" was on June 23rd.
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