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Trudy Scrumptious

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The voice just sounds shrill and histrionic to me. They have a one-note emotional register. I think one of the things that makes the Borg so creepy to me (not that they don't have a one-note emotional register too) is the humanness.

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quote:
Originally posted by The Rogue:
The Borg did time travel in the 8th Star Trek film.

I suspect that in one to one fighting a Dalek would cane a Borg but when it came to ship to ship fighting I'm not so sure. Borg ships can take a lot of punishment before being destroyed because they can adapt whereas once a Dalek ship takes a serious hit it is finished.

Also, for hand-to-hand combat the Borg's collective intelligence would soon work out how to incapacitate a Dalek.
Think of this statement, repeatedly uttered by defeated Daleks "My vision impaired...I cannot see..."
Admittedly, the weapon causing this is usually a jacket or similar item of clothing, and so may not be available to the Borg. [Biased]

[ 31. March 2012, 23:23: Message edited by: doubtingthomas ]

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Kelly Alves

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I'm kind of picturing one of those cartoons where the short guy is trying to swing his fist at the tall guy, who is holding him at arm's length.


Once again, you gotta appreciate the way hiatus produces creative conversation. [Big Grin]

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I am now very much tempted to get out my DVD and watch the Ecclestone "Dalek" episode.

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And if any outcrop of the Star Drek franchise was ever as good as this, I never saw it.

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Kelly Alves

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(shamefaced glancing about, don't want to be pelted by Sci-fi fans)

Agreed about the series, Ken, but the Borg was pretty kickass.

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Kelly Alves

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(Oh, and Barclay. Don't nobody say nothin' about my Barclay.)

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Trudy Scrumptious

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I'd put much of DS9 up against NuWho and I think it would come off favourably. Both had their good and bad episodes, but I think the best of both were comparable in quality.

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And if any outcrop of the Star Drek franchise was ever as good as this, I never saw it.

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quote:
Originally posted by ken:
And if any outcrop of the Star Drek franchise was ever as good as this, I never saw it.

I have a fondness for the very atypical Deep Space Nine episode: Far beyond the Stars
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I (slightly shamefaced admission for someone in her mid-fifties) went to the Doctor Who exhibition in London last year.

And found myself quite wary of the daleks.

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Far Beyond the Stars is one of my favourite DS9 episodes, as well.

Back to the Daleks - they weren't one-note baddies at all! There were at least three emotional states a Dalek could be in. There was the calm, deliberate, order-giving dalek: "Proceed to sector 4 and investigate."
The order-taking dalek (a little higher pitched): "I obey."
And the hysterical Dalek (higher again) "I have failed!"

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Which is odd, because there are more than three settings on a ring modulator.

A fourth setting is Cyberman.

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The BBC has announced that the new companion is in fact the new Doctor, whose 12th regeneration if female.

Next Doctor is female.

I'd check the date on the press release if I were you.

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Kelly Alves

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Dude, don't do that, I was grieving. Not about a female Doctor, mind you-- that would be cool-- but not yet! [Waterworks]

it also occurs to me that I am incredibly impressionable and need to work on that...

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"Paul McGann will be back in Series Two..." Oh, if only.
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I'm not scared by the Daleks but I do find them very menacing. The Ecclestone story above with just the single Dalek was, in my opinion, awesome.

Like the rest of the Dr Who monsters, I think the most scary Dalek appearances are the ones when they appear in a recognisable (usually contemporary) setting and suddenly the ordinary and every day isn't. It's not how the monster looks but how it appears and is usually a triumph of superb writing.

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Really, the Daleks aren't that scary - just the most famous enemy. For me, in the 'classic' series, the Autons were much scarier. And the Silurians story had some very disturbing bits - the scenes where the Silurians had initiated a plague were really very nasty.

Even the new series has had some 'I can't believe they showed that at 7pm' moments. 'Don't turn around...' was pretty good. But I think the most awesomely frightening, disturbing story of all is Midnight. Not just the sinister knocking on the hull of the ship/bus, but the way the 'monster' gets inside people's heads. (But is the real monster someone other than the thing that comes from outside ...?)

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Kelly Alves

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Originally posted by Adeodatus:
But I think the most awesomely frightening, disturbing story of all is Midnight. Not just the sinister knocking on the hull of the ship/bus, but the way the 'monster' gets inside people's heads. (But is the real monster someone other than the thing that comes from outside ...?)

Absolutely agreed. That was the scariest damn episode in my personal experience. I'd hug a dalek; if I ever see Lesley Sharp walking around my neighborhood, I'll go BRRRR and dive inside the house, quickly.

(Just kidding. She's probably a very nice person. I'd shake her hand and tell her she's hell of an actress.)

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
(Oh, and Barclay. Don't nobody say nothin' about my Barclay.)

Who? Lt. Broccoli? [Angel]

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Kelly Alves

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I love Broccoli. Back when being nerdy was still uncool, Broccoli was Nerd Commander-in-Chief. He instantly became a fan beloved, because everyone in the audience went, "THAT'S ME! THAT'S ME!"

Beyond that, I love Dwight Schultz, who originally stole my heart as Murdock on the A-Team. I've gone over this before. I should just put it on my CV and be done with it.

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Struggling with an outstanding Colin Baker episode though. Not his fault, the writers seemed to be trying to kill the series then.

"Vengeance on Varos" was pretty good I think. Martin Jarvis gave a strong performance. I liked the way the "re-election of the governor" TV voting system was portrayed - seems quite prescient now!
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So, semi-tangent since I can't really tell this one anywhere else.
I was out walking in town last night with a certain shirt I got from an ex-girlfriend, when I'm stopped by Nyssa.
No really. That was what her mom named her—yes, after that Nyssa.

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So, semi-tangent since I can't really tell this one anywhere else.
I was out walking in town last night with a certain shirt I got from an ex-girlfriend, when I'm stopped by Nyssa.
No really. That was what her mom named her—yes, after that Nyssa.

Best. T-shirt. Ever.

You don't suppose Nyssa's parents were going for the custom of naming a kid after something that was going on when it was conceived, do you?

If they were, she should be glad it was an episode of The Keeper of Traken, and not this bloke.

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quote:
Originally posted by Trudy Scrumptious:
The voice just sounds shrill and histrionic to me. They have a one-note emotional register. I think one of the things that makes the Borg so creepy to me (not that they don't have a one-note emotional register too) is the humanness.

When I was first becoming an Episcopalian, it struck me that when the whole congregation was saying something together (like reading a Psalm or praying a post-communion prayer or confession), we sounded like the Borg. [Razz] In the Pentecostal churches of my youth, there was certainly no scripted group reading. Of course the Borg effect only works in liturgy if the sound engineer knows to turn off the presider's/officiant's mic when the congregation is reading together.

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Kelly Alves

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quote:
Originally posted by Adeodatus:

If they were, she should be glad it was an episode of The Keeper of Traken, and not this bloke.

Jesus H. Christ on a crutch. GAHHH! GAHHH! [Eek!]


Screw you, Mr Noseybonk, you've lost your crown.

[ 03. April 2012, 05:43: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]

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Kelly Alves

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And whaddaymean, "bloke"? That's vagina dentata if I ever saw it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
And whaddaymean, "bloke"? That's vagina dentata if I ever saw it.

And that is serious nightmare territory

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Kelly Alves

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Tell me about it. Whoever dreamed that one up needs to be flat on his back on a couch, discussing his dreams with a professional.

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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
I found them reasonably creepy till they colorized them. Then I thought, 'Oh, damn it, someone on the merchandising team is looking for a Duplo tie-in."

Here in Australia they've been re-airing all the 'new' Who, 5 nights a week since January. It's been a great chance to catch some of the ones I missed, but late last week there was the misfortune of seeing "Victory of the Daleks" for a second time, complete with brightly coloured Daleks.

It truly is an awful episode. The interesting thing is that there's been a series and a half since then and I don't believe the awful, brighly coloured Daleks have made another appearance.

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Originally posted by Trudy Scrumptious:
Moffat has said that the episode in which Amy and Rory are written out will feature Weeping Angels

I don't know whether to be pleased or disturbed. Because he might use the opportunity to break a few more rules from Blink when they no longer suit. I do like a lot of the Weeping Angels' second appearance, but I still find it hard to get over the changes. There's the new more direct method of killing, but much worse is that suddenly Weeping Angels can move while seen by other Weeping Angels. The whole conclusion of Blink depended on this NOT being true.

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Kelly Alves

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It truly is an awful episode. The interesting thing is that there's been a series and a half since then and I don't believe the awful, brighly coloured Daleks have made another appearance.

I thought about that, too. They must have hushed up a riot that broke out somewhere about the colorized Daleks.

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And whaddaymean, "bloke"? That's vagina dentata if I ever saw it.

You know, I think you might be right. Dentata or not, that particular anatomical feature isn't really my milieu.

Bear in mind that the writer, Russell T Davies, also penned an episode in which someone is menaced by three homicidal shop window dummies in full bridal dress. Are we seeing a pattern forming here?

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It truly is an awful episode. The interesting thing is that there's been a series and a half since then and I don't believe the awful, brighly coloured Daleks have made another appearance.

I thought about that, too. They must have hushed up a riot that broke out somewhere about the colorized Daleks.
Actually, they do make a cameo in "The Pandorica Opens." Apparently they're Special Daleks, with their colors being indicative of rank or something.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Duplo merchandizing arrangement.

I hasten to add that of the current Duplo set, it's only the Daleks I have a problem with. The TARDIS is cooler than cool, and it features the cutest lil' damn Timelord you ever did see in your entire life.If I were nine, I would be carrying that around in my pocket. [Big Grin]

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Also, to Adeodatus: Davies has more issues than National Geographic.

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Just in case y'all were on the edges of your seats waiting, the Wife in Space is back after a few weeks' break, reviewing the Tom Baker classic Pyramids of Mars.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Trudy Scrumptious:
Moffat has said that the episode in which Amy and Rory are written out will feature Weeping Angels

I don't know whether to be pleased or disturbed. Because he might use the opportunity to break a few more rules from Blink when they no longer suit. I do like a lot of the Weeping Angels' second appearance, but I still find it hard to get over the changes. There's the new more direct method of killing, but much worse is that suddenly Weeping Angels can move while seen by other Weeping Angels. The whole conclusion of Blink depended on this NOT being true.
I HATE it when any TV show does that. Some of us were paying attention, you know!

It shouldn't be hard to remain within the parameters you've already set. That's just part of the challenge of creativity, and it would result in a way more awesome story.

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(Oh, and Barclay. Don't nobody say nothin' about my Barclay.)

Hands off, he's mine!

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A woman of taste, I see. he really wore the Starfleet uniform well, didn't he? [Big Grin]

I always thought he and Janeway should hook up.

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So, just saw Spearhead From Space. I think that, in retrospect—and, well, knowing about the Autons—it's a lot less scary. Not a bad episode, but City of Death it wasn't quite.

That said, the AWtWIS commentary was priceless.
"The make-up really does look plastic. It’s almost as if they’re supposed to look like they’re made from plastic and it isn’t a mistake." "Come on love, you can do it."
"She's expecting to find his porn stash"
Oh, and calling Liz "dozy mare." I've got to remember that one . . .

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Trudy Scrumptious

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My favourite part of the AWtWiS commentary:

quote:

Me: We are still watching an era of the programme when you weren’t expected to fancy the Doctor.

Sue: Well they are certainly succeeding.

Me: Although a lot of women do find Pertwee irresistible, apparently.

Sue: Now you are just taking the piss.



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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
A woman of taste, I see. he really wore the Starfleet uniform well, didn't he? [Big Grin]

I always thought he and Janeway should hook up.

I really, really wanted him to have the confidence to deliver a devastating put-down to the nauseating Wesley, but it never happened.

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Kelly Alves

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I loved Geordi, but I kinda wished Barclay would put him in his place, as well.

Oh, what were we talking about again?

Both Smith and Shultz (dig this segue) kind of remind me of Dick Van Dyke (Smith more so), who reminds me of my maternal grandfather, so perhaps my feelings of admiration are being enhanced by some weird kinship predisposition.

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I've just seen an article about a convention which re-united the entire cast of Next Gen. They were on stage talking together, and the conversation turned to Wil Wheaton.
LeVar Burton said something along the lines of "You were a kid, and sometimes you were a pain in the ass - but you were our pain in the ass."

(and now I'm off to see what the Wife in Space thought of Pyramids of Mars - which absolutely terrified me when I first saw it!)

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quote:
Originally posted by Eigon:
LeVar Burton said something along the lines of "You were a kid, and sometimes you were a pain in the ass - but you were our pain in the ass."

This reminds me of a comment about Matthew Waterhouse (Adric) on one of the Doctor Who DVD commentary tracks. Peter Davison was bemoaning that, during his era on the show, they didn't introduce any "classic" Doctor Who monster. To which Janet Fielding quipped: "We had Matthew."

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Ariston
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quote:
Originally posted by Hedgehog:
quote:
Originally posted by Eigon:
LeVar Burton said something along the lines of "You were a kid, and sometimes you were a pain in the ass - but you were our pain in the ass."

This reminds me of a comment about Matthew Waterhouse (Adric) on one of the Doctor Who DVD commentary tracks. Peter Davison was bemoaning that, during his era on the show, they didn't introduce any "classic" Doctor Who monster. To which Janet Fielding quipped: "We had Matthew."
While I'd agree that Adric deserves the status of the show's worst enemy during his tenure (oh look, Adric's playing along with the enemy again! Is he just acting this time, or did someone hypnotize the kid like last time?), I wouldn't mind seeing more of the Mara. There's something deliciously creepy about the two episodes it appears in, especially with the whole "it's what lives hidden in your own mind" explanation.

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Kelly Alves

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quote:
Originally posted by Eigon:

(and now I'm off to see what the Wife in Space thought of Pyramids of Mars - which absolutely terrified me when I first saw it!)

That was seriously freakin' creepy. Even the ads for the special were creepy. And the ending was so dark it was ultraviolet.

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quote:
Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
quote:
Originally posted by Eigon:

(and now I'm off to see what the Wife in Space thought of Pyramids of Mars - which absolutely terrified me when I first saw it!)

That was seriously freakin' creepy. Even the ads for the special were creepy. And the ending was so dark it was ultraviolet.
Are you thinking of Waters of Mars?
Pyramids of Mars has Tom Baker and Sarah Jane Smith and robot mummies.

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Kelly Alves

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OH! Well, yes.

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