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fletcher christian
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![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif) well said
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I would have thought it significant that all the commandments of christianity are essentially earthly in nature. There are no commandments to "know god".
Likewise it is significant that IngoB treats some virtual discussion space as unimportant in terms of how he conducts himself. Because, clearly, his religion is about scoring numbers. What he does to the least of us is unimportant, according to his faith.
He's a dogma quick-draw, and a self-taught faith-maze solving rodent. He's found a handy-dandy rosary-cranked Answer For Everything (it says so right on the box!), so he hardly needs to waste his valuable time considering the value of those Answers. He just gives it another crank, and out comes Reassurances. See how straightforward it is? Aren't we foolish to not partake?
Being a miserable excuse for a human being hardly impinges on his sensibilities at all.
[Crossposted. He Who Must Be Changed needed a changing.]
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El Greco
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Originally posted by RooK:
I would have thought it significant that all the commandments of christianity are essentially earthly in nature. There are no commandments to "know god".
Ah, but there are. It's just that most people don't pay attention to them!
As for IngoB, I feel sad that he scapegoats homosexuality for the horrible abuses that have been going on for a long time. I don't think the abuses are a modern phenomenon either (neither do I think that priests or monks doing sexual stuff against their vows was a modern trend). I think IngoB feels the need to protect his religion from fierce but justified criticism, and in my view, it's sad that religion has this effect on otherwise nice and smart people.
Of course it's not just IngoB. All sorts of people tried to defend their religion in various ways over time. But I don't think this works. I think this approach causes more problems than it tries to solve and I think the sensible thing to do is to condemn injustice and abuse without adding "but...".
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Paul.
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Nice to see you El Greco - how goes it?
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El Greco
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Being busy but fine! Was touched earlier by an exchange I read in Hell and stayed so now I'm writing a few posts here and there.
Um, did you have a different nickname in the past?
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opaWim
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Originally posted by Divine Outlaw Dwarf:
Can we loose the tedious 'convert' vs. 'cradle Catholic' stuff?
It wasn't I who introduced the convert-stuff into this thread. And when I joined in, I did it with the phrase "With converts like that, my church doesn't need enemies.".
If you look more carefully you will also see that this is not "'convert' vs. 'cradle catholic'" stuff but "'converts like IngoB' vs. 'RC's who don't agree with converts like IngoB'"-stuff.
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I was received into full communion with the RCC as an adult. I frequently find myself holding less conservative positions than ChesterBelloc and IngoB.
I'm convinced that's the case for the vast majority of converts.
In real life I don't run into specific problems with converts. The interesting thing is that I have yet to encounter a convert behaving like IngoB or Chesterbelloc in the real world. Which means that either they are extremely rare or that they only exist in Virtual Reality.
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Originally posted by Divine Outlaw Dwarf:
There are no 'cradle Catholics' - nobody is born Catholic.
There is no logical connection between those two statements, due to their different modifiers of "Catholic". The first statement is manifestly false, the second one is true(*). However, while I think some average differences are likely, I see no particular reason why the role of cradle and convert Catholics could not be complementary rather than adversarial.
(*) Though if those that die unbaptized before the age of reason join the communion of saints in heaven, then some further distinctions are clearly called for.
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Paul.
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Originally posted by El Greco:
Um, did you have a different nickname in the past?
Yes - I was Paul M
(we met at the Globe - London shipmeet)
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Ah, nice to see you ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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A love-in in Hell. It's like the South Park movie.
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Rossweisse
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Originally posted by IngoB:
...I should just ignore your existence as fallacious.
That's right, Ingo. If you can't face points and people which make you uncomfortable, just pretend they don't exist. Whatever you do, don't consider the possibility that you might be mistaken about something.
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Originally posted by RooK:
...He's a dogma quick-draw, and a self-taught faith-maze solving rodent. He's found a handy-dandy rosary-cranked Answer For Everything (it says so right on the box!), so he hardly needs to waste his valuable time considering the value of those Answers. He just gives it another crank, and out comes Reassurances. See how straightforward it is? Aren't we foolish to not partake?
It's actually a terribly Pharasaic approach: If you do A, B, and C, and abjure D, E, and F, then, bingo! (as it were): you'll do easy time in Purgatory and be wafted up to Heaven ahead of the crowd.
Reason doesn't enter into it. I'm not sure faith necessarily does, either, as long as your ticket is punched in all the right places.
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Being a miserable excuse for a human being hardly impinges on his sensibilities at all.
Well, he needn't consider others, because he's Right and we are Wrong, Wrong, Wrong. (But I'll bet we're more fun to be around.)
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IngoB on the Catholic Church is always entertaining: the unintelligible in defence of the unspeakable.
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Originally posted by Rossweisse.:
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Originally posted by IngoB:
...I should just ignore your existence as fallacious.
That's right, Ingo. If you can't face points and people which make you uncomfortable, just pretend they don't exist. Whatever you do, don't consider the possibility that you might be mistaken about something.
Now, in his defense, Ingo is just acting in the way that his mother church approves of. The Roman Curia has ignored reality for centuries. What they think ain't broke they won't be fixin'.
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Curious that a thread entitled "Ignorant Bigot" should contain a fair amount of generalized catholic-bashing.
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If by "generalized catholic-bashing" you mean, "expression of any opinion at variance with the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church", then it's not all that curious, really. Given that, you know, this is a site for people of all faiths and none, and we are in a space specifically set aside for people who are getting narked to verbally bash each other.
What I've observed in general is people (including other Catholics) bashing Ingo for the way he holds his beliefs, rather than for his holding of them. And, early on, there was quite a serious discussion about whether the combination of traditional Christian teaching on sexuality and a celibate priesthood was particularly explosive, which might be seen as "anti-Catholic" - except that it's an issue on which many Catholics hold divergent opinions.
Finally, the thread spun off from and then back to a discussion about how the RCC has handled the issue of paedophile priests. Maybe you think the church's response is beyond criticism, but it is surely obvious that someone holding an opposing view is not necessarily an anti-Catholic bigot - because, once again, it would appear that quite a few Catholics are distressed by the response of the hierarchy.
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Originally posted by RooK:
Likewise it is significant that IngoB treats some virtual discussion space as unimportant in terms of how he conducts himself.
I do not attempt to conduct myself such as would be (supposedly...) optimal for pursuing RC agendas and winning RC converts in this virtual discussion space. I think it was you who quoted SoF's commandment eight at me just recently?
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He's a dogma quick-draw, and a self-taught faith-maze solving rodent.
And? Where and when did I sign up for anything more than slinging dogma and solving faith-mazes? What's with this urgent need to turn me into a TLC-dispensing freethinker? Get a grip on your missionary fervor, please.
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Originally posted by El Greco:
As for IngoB, I feel sad that he scapegoats homosexuality for the horrible abuses that have been going on for a long time.
This and this post clarified early on what I was thinking. We are not supposed to discuss homosexuality on this thread anymore.
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Originally posted by QLib:
If by "generalized catholic-bashing" you mean, "expression of any opinion at variance with the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church"
No, I didn't mean that. I meant things like
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the unintelligible in defence of the unspeakable
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The Roman Curia has ignored reality for centuries.
Not paragons of open-minded, nuanced opinion. Accepted, that isn't usually required for posting in hell, but still seems a little ironic on a thread for lampooning ignorant bigotry.
I say it's curious, I don't really mean curious in the sense "difficult to explain" - more in the "isn't that interesting/dispiriting" sense.
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If you lot insist on continuing this tired and insufferably dull little spat I will be forced to torture an innocent and cute puppy just to feel better.
Let it be on your heads.
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Originally posted by multipara:
Re Bingo and his world view, you picked an unfortunate analogy, Major Disaster.
The knightly class of feudal Europe and the samurai class of feudal Japan were both the epitome of ignorant bigotry.
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Dear Multipara,
Perhaps you're right in your assessment of my analogy as unfortunate. It made me think, though, what bigot means to me. I feel it comes under the general heading of those irregular verbs .
Certainly neither class of warriors was likely to produce lecturers in Liberal Arts, or campaigners for Gay Rights, but then, you choose horses for courses.
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Originally posted by IngoB:
What's with this urgent need to turn me into a TLC-dispensing freethinker? Get a grip on your missionary fervor, please.
You misunderstand me. I described you snarkily (because that's how I have fun), but I don't really want you to change even slightly. You have more value as a difficult opponent than as some touchy-feely douche.
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He may not be touchy-feely, but I'm reasonably sure he's still a douche.
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Quite. But turning touchy-feely wouldn't be any sort of improvement.
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Charming. Now, let's save a puppy.
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Originally posted by IngoB:
Charming.
Ironic.
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Originally posted by comet:
If you lot insist on continuing this tired and insufferably dull little spat I will be forced to torture an innocent and cute puppy just to feel better.
Let it be on your heads.
Alternatively you could promote IngoB upwards to Dead Horse (Rtd).
That would be a win-win-win situation.
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posted by major disaster:
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Certainly neither class of warriors was likely to produce lecturers in Liberal Arts, or campaigners for Gay Rights, but then, you choose horses for courses.
I think that if you get beyond Western impressions of the Samurai and read some of their own texts and stories that they did do the things you mention above (at least before the Emperor became the puppet of the Shogonate)
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Mdijon..... Curious that a thread entitled "Ignorant Bigot" should contain a fair amount of generalized catholic-bashing.
Unfortunately true but inevitable. The most interesting thing is that the thread has been sustained for so long despite wandering all over the place and always returns to the OP and IngoB.
This proves the importance of IngoB to the Ship and if he didn't exist we'd have to invent him.
All the other major irritants in other churches don't have the consistency or intelligence of IngoB. Also they tend to disappear or walk the plank after a while. Where as IngoB, likethe poor, is always with us. I raise a glass to him...
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Major Disaster
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Originally posted by fletcher christian:
posted by major disaster:
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Certainly neither class of warriors was likely to produce lecturers in Liberal Arts, or campaigners for Gay Rights, but then, you choose horses for courses.
I think that if you get beyond Western impressions of the Samurai and read some of their own texts and stories that they did do the things you mention above (at least before the Emperor became the puppet of the Shogonate)
If so, then in what sense were they the epitome of bigots? That's what Multipara called them to put me right. But I suppose Hell does generate very little light, only fumes and heat.
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Originally posted by Fuzzipeg:
All the other major irritants in other churches don't have the consistency or intelligence of IngoB. Also they tend to disappear or walk the plank after a while. Where as IngoB, likethe poor, is always with us. I raise a glass to him...
You do realize that you can afford to be so generous because of the existence of the unique release-valves Hell and Dead Horses, and because SOF is not owned in any way by the RCC?
Over the years I have seen at least three RC discussion boards being ruined by the likes of IngoB and their helpmates.
One simply stopped because the moderators preferred closing the board to surrendering to the bigots.
The second still exists -but only because it is hardly moderated- as an arena where IngoB-clones (well mostly wannabees) vigilantly harass the unwary, and trolls have endless fun baiting both sides.
The third has degenerated into pious pointless and pompous lethargy as a result of replacing the moderators with the local IngoB-clone and two of his acolytes who rigorously and soundlessly censor anything they don't like and slap a lifelong ban on any participant showing signs of lasting dissent.
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Originally posted by opaWim:
You do realize that you can afford to be so generous because of the existence of the unique release-valves Hell and Dead Horses, and because SOF is not owned in any way by the RCC?
That is also why we can be generous about the evanglicals, the high church anglicans, the orthodox, the orthodox apostates, the atheists and the cradle RCs who would also have ruined the place given a free run.
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Originally posted by mdijon:
[QUOTE]That is also why we can be generous about the evanglicals, the high church anglicans, the orthodox, the orthodox apostates, the atheists and the cradle RCs who would also have ruined the place given a free run.
Are we to understand that the evangelicals, the high church anglicans, the orthodox, the orthodox apostates, the atheists and the cradle RCs are all cut from the same bigotrocious cloth as IngoB?
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"We" could understand that. Personally I'd have thought that was fairly obvious.
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Originally posted by opaWim:
Over the years I have seen at least three RC discussion boards being ruined by the likes of IngoB and their helpmates.
Are you really criticising IngoB for what other (unidentified) posters have done on other (unidentified) boards, solely on the grounds that they are (in your view) the same sort of person?
Would you not agree that attacking someone because of what "the likes of" them do, as if they belonged to a class whose sins are interchangeable is:
a) ignorant; and
b) bigoted?
And if you didn't mean that, what the fuck relevance is it to this thread that there are some obnoxious RCs somewhere on the internet?
For what it's worth (and not expecting him to give a rat's ares for my approval or not) I find IngoB a consistently smart, thoughtful and honest poster. He's as tactless as all Hell sometimes (but he's not alone in that, and Ship of Fools culture is not exactly intolerant of a thick-skinned/sharp-tongued discussion), but rarely, if ever, malicious; opinionated but not bigoted; and about as far from ignorance as you're likely to find.
I like the Roman Catholicism which IngoB portrays. It's a form of the faith which challenges those inside and outside the Church, it provides solid reasons for what it believes, and it is possible to engage with its dogmas and learn from the process of engagement, whether one is ultimately persuaded of their truth or not. I'm not especially likely to convert to Catholicism, but IngoB's witness is more likely to influence me thataways than most.
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On the ‘Death Valley/GPS' metaphor (because I liked it):
It works only if you accept that there is one correct denomination (GPS) which will lead you to safety, and othersthat are more or less misleading.
In my worldview, we don't have several distinct GPS units - we have a mass of sketches, maps, journals, notes and musing by other travellers, all of them incomplete, written while still in the valley by authors whom we do not know made it to safety. Catholicism is one of the most complete and clear of the maps in our collection, and it's verified against many landmarks, and useful for navigating past many obstacles, but there's not much sense in throwing all the other useful information in the file - that could be useful for finding our way home, too.
And, of course, the RC map, while generally reliable on the basic landscape, has quite a few flaws when checked against the evidence of our senses (reason and conscience). It requires, for example, a big detour around Mount Contraception, when it is plainly obvious that that particular feature was levelled years ago, and almost everyone who looks up from the map has managed to walk unhindered right across the valley floor where it once stood. Also the notes on the Catholic map say that one must first climb the double-peaked hillocks of Marian Dogma to mark out and follow the path of True Faith, whereas one can, in fact, see that path with equal clarity from the Sola Scriptura plateau on the other side of the valley. And, as Gildas points out, the map has recently been revised so that the difficult descent into, and perilous climb out of, the Chasm of Intolerance is no longer mandated at the outset of the journey, and travellers are wisely advised to go around it entirely. I'm going to stop now, before I get all Pilgrim's Progress.
The basic principle that faith is practical, and that having made a judgement on which doctrines are true, the point is to follow them diligently unless a compelling reason to re-think appears, is a good one, but it does not follow that one's best judgement on which path to take must be of a single tradition, ignoring the rest. If the guidance is of a sketch-map-plus-notes nature, where more details can complement and confirm the chosen route, rather than of a GPS nature, where different advice can only contradict, then accepting some RC guidance but not all is not irrational, but might well be the only sane thing to do.
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Oupa.... Over the years I have seen at least three RC discussion boards being ruined by the likes of IngoB and their helpmates
What does that mean? I didn't think IngoB need helpmates? I never managed to get into one of those Catholic/Orthodox boards probably for reasons of lethargy more than anything else.
In any case what do you say to each other that you wouldn't say on the open boards? Perhaps it was more domestic such as what has your Parish contributed to Peter's Pence this year? Or, "Psst! Do you know where I can get an annulment quickly?" I don't know.
Thanx Eliab for your two enjoyable posts!
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Eliab,
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I've got to say that I do find the generalized charge of bigotry against Ingo somewhat odd. There are a few things I might fault him for -- I tend to think you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar (but then again he's pretty clear on the fact that his purpose on the Ship is not to catch flies) -- but generalized bigotry is not one of them.
Maybe I'm just overawed by the fact that he can usually think circles around me (though I still think he's wrong on the question of whether extra-terrestrial rational animals would, for theological purposes, count as "human").
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"Dogmatic", perhaps, which I suppose can be construed as "bigotted" by someone who dislikes the dogma concerned.
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One can be dogmatic without being rude. One can be dogmatic without being judgmental. One can be dogmatic without being an ass about it. So the whole "you just think he's bigoted because you don't like the teachings of the RCC" is a red herring.
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Originally posted by FCB:
I've got to say that I do find the generalized charge of bigotry against Ingo somewhat odd.
Oh, it's not general. If you follow his postings out and about and around the Ship, he's a very specific bigot-- he hates anyone who's not himself and treats anyone who's not himself dismissively and rudely.
Or, to put it short, he's a two hundred pound jackass trying to fit into a one hundred pound RCC sack.
[ 08. February 2010, 16:09: Message edited by: Spiffy ]
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So the whole "you just think he's bigoted because you don't like the teachings of the RCC" is a red herring.
I suppose it's odds-on that someone has said that on this thread, but I can't get it out of any of the recent posts.
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Originally posted by mdijon:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
So the whole "you just think he's bigoted because you don't like the teachings of the RCC" is a red herring.
I suppose it's odds-on that someone has said that on this thread, but I can't get it out of any of the recent posts.
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"Dogmatic", perhaps, which I suppose can be construed as "bigotted" by someone who dislikes the dogma concerned.
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OK, I admit it, fair call.
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FCB
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Originally posted by Spiffy:
he's a very specific bigot-- he hates anyone who's not himself and treats anyone who's not himself dismissively and rudely.
Maybe I'm just quibbling, but while I will certainly grant that Ingo can be dismissive and rude, I don't see that as indicative of bigotry and certainly not of hatred. He has dismissed things I've said (well, not so much dismissed as argued forcefully against) and I'm his co-religionist. I suppose one might say he's bigoted against those whom he thinks do not have good arguments, but this would seem to me an odd use of the term "bigoted."
I can see that Ingo's take-no-prisoners approach to intellectual combat (and I mean that literally: he's not trying to capture you for his side) might put some people off. It sometimes puts me off when I'm trying to get others to be sympathetic to some RC position and he comes stomping in to kick asses and take names. But I don't detect bigotry in any of it.
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I'm not sure that I would call him a bigot, just arrogant, self-satisfied, and damned unpleasant. But I'm sort of glad he's out there. While most of us who are well disposed to the RCC like to focus on how it upholds the sacraments, its work in education, health, and among the poor, and all its members who are supportive of other Christians, he does express one real facet of the Roman Catholic Church, and it would be a white-wash to pretend otherwise.
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Originally posted by Fuzzipeg:
Oupa.... Over the years I have seen at least three RC discussion boards being ruined by the likes of IngoB and their helpmates
What does that mean? I didn't think IngoB need helpmates?
Bullies are never really effective if they are on their own.
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I never managed to get into one of those Catholic/Orthodox boards probably for reasons of lethargy more than anything else.
Apparently lethargy can be a blessing
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In any case what do you say to each other that you wouldn't say on the open boards?
They are open boards, at least in the sense that in principle anybody can join in. Of course, if your not sufficiently RC-friendly in your writings (read: you don't always agree unconditionally with the bullies) you're chucked out in less time then it took you to register.
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Perhaps it was more domestic such as what has your Parish contributed to Peter's Pence this year? Or, "Psst! Do you know where I can get an annulment quickly?" I don't know.
Funny you should say that. "How to get an annulment, the failsafe ways" has indeed been covered there, by a very orthodox RC-priest. That was one of the more thoroughly disgusting occurrences there.
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Too bad about that puppy... Well, thanks for the support, some of you.
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Originally posted by Spiffy:
If you follow his postings out and about and around the Ship, he's a very specific bigot-- he hates anyone who's not himself and treats anyone who's not himself dismissively and rudely.
How I treat people here is a matter of record. However, I simply do not hate anyone on SoF, nor have I ever.
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my reading of the puppy entrails says:
All that can be said has been said, further discussion of Roman Catholic Dogma belongs in Purgatory. Lucky Numbers: 3 45 76 1
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