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Thread: The Coward Uncle Pete
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Marvin the Martian
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This thread is dedicated to Uncle Pete, also known as the former Hellhost who's apparently become too much of a snivelling child to air his political views somewhere where they can be properly challenged.
Grow a pair and bring your admiration of a brutal dictator out from behind the rules of civility in All Saints, you fucking coward. There's even a thread in Purgatory that you can use if you're too yellow-bellied to risk any more personal comments.
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Well, this is the first hell-call that I can remember which is predicated on someone not posting something.
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Is this the first time Uncle Pete's been called to Hell?
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Alan Cresswell
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Sooner or later everyone gets called to Hell.
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Is it a necessary rite of passage?
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Gee D
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What I especially took umbrage at was his comment that PMs did no good, the strong inference being that I had not responded to one. He has yet to write.
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Arethosemyfeet
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'Cause posting your threadcrap in the AS thread as a link is such an act of passive-aggressive bravery. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by Arethosemyfeet:
'Cause posting your threadcrap in the AS thread as a link is such an act of passive-aggressive bravery.
Letting the target of a Hell call know that they have been called is just good manners.
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Callan
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quote:
Originally posted by Gee D:
What I especially took umbrage at was his comment that PMs did no good, the strong inference being that I had not responded to one. He has yet to write.
As I said, in the other thread, he sent one to me. I was out shopping when it arrived so I didn't respond immediately. Hence his fit of pique.
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Gee D
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As a matter of fairness, Uncle Pete has now sent a PM to me, which I have accepted as an apology for his implication.
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Marvin the Martian
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He's sent me a PM too, saying that he won't be making an appearance.
Feel free to draw your own conclusions.
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quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
He's sent me a PM too, saying that he won't be making an appearance.
Feel free to draw your own conclusions.
If your hero is a man who refuses to be held to account by the people he leads, this is perhaps not surprising. Thankfully, he can't arrange our summary execution.
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lilBuddha
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Christians posting love for an "ends justifies the means"* dictator is rather bizarre to me.
I do think it less than admirable to intentionally post such a controversial memoriam thread in AS, but it is equally douchey to whine about it in there.
*I don't think the ends got to where they should have for all the trouble, but that is for a different thread.
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quote:
Originally posted by Marvin the Martian:
He's sent me a PM too, saying that he won't be making an appearance.
Feel free to draw your own conclusions.
It's a kind of undercover flounce.
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Gee D
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I note that he has not yet made apology for his post timed on 27 November, 2016 at 06:19. Although, again to be fair to him, I did not read Lothlorien's post as referring to Uncle Pete and probably she did not intend to address that.
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Christians posting love for an "ends justifies the means"* dictator is rather bizarre to me.
It's the left-wing version of all those Christians who voted for Trump so that they could get a Supreme Court judge who agrees with them, regardless of the impact his presidency will have on anyone else.
I do not intend that comparison to be a compliment. To either side.
[ 30. November 2016, 09:32: Message edited by: Marvin the Martian ]
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Honestly, to me it doesn't even make that much sense. Zappa said Castro was one of his "heroes of justice" -- which makes my brain leak a little bit of goo every time I try to understand it. How on earth a Christian -- a priest! -- can think someone who executed thousands of political opponents was in any way an exemplar of justice ... no. I can't wrap my mind around it.
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Marvin the Martian
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Originally posted by RuthW:
Honestly, to me it doesn't even make that much sense. Zappa said Castro was one of his "heroes of justice" -- which makes my brain leak a little bit of goo every time I try to understand it. How on earth a Christian -- a priest! -- can think someone who executed thousands of political opponents was in any way an exemplar of justice ... no. I can't wrap my mind around it.
I can sorta kinda maybe comprehend it if I redefine "justice" to mean only "social justice" (i.e. redistribution) and jettison any idea that it might be linked to concepts such as freedom of speech and the right to a fair trial. Once that's done it's easy to connect the dots that anyone who is opposed to redistribution is an enemy of "justice", therefore a criminal, therefore to be locked up or executed.
I'm definitely not a fan of the sort of society such thinking would create, but with posts such as the one you mention it's hard to deny that a number of left-wingers seem to like it. Which presumably means that they'd want to see the likes of you and I locked up or executed were they ever to gain the power to do so.
Just one more reason why I tend to vote Tory.
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Personally, I'd only vote Tory if I thought that voting Tory tactically would stop the Far Right (or if Ken Clarke was standing)* but I agree with you entirely about the redefinition of justice beyond all recognition. Personally, I would say that you don't get to complain about the late Augusto Pinochet or the Saudis, if you are not also prepared to complain about Castro. And I now know when to respond "Yeah, right, you don't have a problem with it in Cuba" when certain Shipmates pop up to complain about homophobia.
*Or one or two others. I once voted for the Tory candidate for Women's Officer in a Student Union election on the grounds that the Labour candidate was ghastly and the other alternatives were from the Socialist Workers Party (oh, the fucking irony) and, I shit you not, Sid The Sexist. I also cast my second vote for Steven Norris in the 2000 Mayoral Election on the grounds that I really didn't like Ken Livingstone which was a bit niche in those days but nowadays is pretty mainstream. Clearly I was a hipster avant la lettre as far as Ken is concerned.
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Justice is a multi-faceted thing. It includes concepts such as:
* Fair trials
* well run police investigations
* freedom of political expression
* equal opportunites for education, health care etc
* fair pay, lack of exploitation, safe working environment
Any concept of justice that emphasises one facet at the expense of others is going to run into problems sooner or later.
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And Castro fails more than one of those. Democratic governments do sometimes as well, but there is a chance to address this.
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I'm definitely not a fan of the sort of society such thinking would create, but with posts such as the one you mention it's hard to deny that a number of left-wingers seem to like it. Which presumably means that they'd want to see the likes of you and I locked up or executed were they ever to gain the power to do so.
Oh come on, even you can see that is bullshit.
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Just one more reason why I tend to vote Tory.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, I suppose.
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Alan Cresswell
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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
And Castro fails more than one of those. Democratic governments do sometimes as well, but there is a chance to address this.
I'm not particularly fussed about Castro and Cuba, so don't really know all that much - some stuff on TV recently plus bits and pieces here and there.
Castro certainly failed in terms of freedom of political expression. But, by most accounts, he did as well as could be expected under the circumstances in relation to fair wages, equal access to education and health care.
I've no idea whether people felt that if they were the victim of a crime that the police investigated well, and that the courts were just. Obviously, not if the crime was political - but for theft, assault etc?
Of course Cuba was a victim of outside interference as well, and those circumstances shouldn't be forgotten. For most people a claim that "the CIA is trying to kill me" would be evidence of mental instability, for Castro it was a verifiable fact - and who knows how that affected his attitude and response to political opponents and potential assassins? And, an economy stiffled by isolation from major trading partners did nothing to help the living standards of anyone in Cuba.
Basically, from all the way over here and just some impressionistic anecdotes, Castro displayed enough good qualities for people to admire him and enough bad qualities for people to hate him. But, not enough good qualities to be a saint, and not enough bad to be the devil incarnate. Pretty much the same as most political leaders really.
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Arethosemyfeet
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It's also worth pointing out that while the early years of the revolution featured a lot of executions, the targets were people accused of complicity in torture and other crimes under the deposed regime. The model was Nuremberg, not Stalin's purges. Fair trials they probably weren't (but would Nuremberg stand up to formal legal scrutiny?) but it's unquestionable that a lot of the people accused were guilty as charged. I think imprisonment would have been a better response, but it's not correct to characterise this as killing political opponents, as if they were peaceful human rights activists. These were the brutal enforcers of the fallen dictator.
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lilBuddha
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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Castro certainly failed in terms of freedom of political expression. But, by most accounts, he did as well as could be expected under the circumstances in relation to fair wages, equal access to education and health care.
Except he lived in a style to which his people had no access. I don't care if the figures of 3/4 of a billion pounds is accurate. Unless that was a revolving stream of cash, it would not have significantly improved the people's lives of 6 decades.
However, he did not lack for the things his people did. He lived in comfort, they did not.
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Of course Cuba was a victim of outside interference as well, and those circumstances shouldn't be forgotten.
No, that should not be forgotten. But neither should the fact tha he participated in those circumstances. He shares much of the blame for them.
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Basically, from all the way over here and just some impressionistic anecdotes, Castro displayed enough good qualities for people to admire him and enough bad qualities for people to hate him. But, not enough good qualities to be a saint, and not enough bad to be the devil incarnate. Pretty much the same as most political leaders really.
The difference being choice. But Castro is of the "might makes right" mold that his champions so hate in capitalism.
IMO Castro's best saving grace is that he did not neglect the poor. And this is a difficult thing to do in a dictatorship.
But it does not make him a saint, only better than some of his peers.
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
But it does not make him a saint, only better than some of his peers.
Well, I explicitly didn't say he was a saint. I'm not sure anyone else has called him a saint either.
Being better than his peers should at least count for something - at the very least not being vilified more than his peers.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Except he lived in a style to which his people had no access.<snip> However, he did not lack for the things his people did. He lived in comfort, they did not.
It's difficult to accept that as fact - or at least as "whole fact". Maybe he lived in more comfort than the man-in-the-street and maybe he didn't (and he probably did). My difficulty with this is that the assertions that he lived in luxury all come from unreliable sources (ie the CIA and anti-Castro Cubans in the USA.) I haven't seen any real evidence that he lived in anything like the luxury of, say, the President of the USA. Sure he probably had a more comfortable existence than most people in Cuba (and probably than most people outside Cuba too), but the "he lived in luxury while his people suffered" argument just sounds too much like another exploding cigar when it comes from the sources it does.
I'm not going to sit here and type that Castro was a saint, but nor am I willing to damn him as quickly as others. (Largely, I guess, because I'm not convinced that the terrible offences he may have committed aren't committed by "democratic" nations all the time.) That doesn't make him right - it just doesn't make him any more wrong than the others who do it (like every President of the US since there has been a US.)
If that makes me sound gushingly liberal, then I'm sorry but I have at least seen the US base at Guantanamo, unlike most US citizens. On the basis that US Guantanamo still exists, I don't think anybody from the US has any right to criticise Castro for his civil rights record. So sue me.
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Uncle Pete
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Well, here is the response you have certainly been waiting with bated breath. First of all, I feel I ought to thank Marvin for calling me to Hell with such a catchy title. When he commented that I wasn’t going to participate, he forgot to mention that I was otherwise occupied for a few days. Just a tad economical with the truth, eh, Marv? Running for Parliament, soon?
I would also like to thank Sioni Sais for prematurely guessing that I had flounced. Thanks, Sioni. Need any help wiping up the egg on your beard?
I also thank GeeDee for mentioning that we had cleared up the issue of a non-existent PM. But then he faults me for not apologising for a post written at a time that I can’t figure out, not being an Ozzie.
Right then, to business.
I opened the AS thread as an In Memoriam thread because I knew that no American (or their lickspittle friends) would do so. First of all, their country’s rulers spend many fruitless years attempting to assassinate him. Basically because he had the temerity to set up a Communist state 90 miles from Florida! Gasp! The horror! The shock! They also lost one of their corrupt friends when Senor Batista could no longer sell off Cuba and leave it as impoverished as Haiti. Capitalism at its worst. (Although I note that they had rather more success in bullying South America)
And yes, I am aware that he had faults. He was fallible, but he was for Cuba. Unlike Americans , he set up a health care system. I give him points for that, because I am also the beneficiary of a health care system in Canada (not perfect, but which one is? The education system works pretty well too.
Before anyone jumps in and screams “BUT WHAT ABOUT THE MISSILE CRISIS?” I know about that too. I was 14 years old and just beginning an 18 month stint away from home in a physical rehabilitation centre far from my home. Television didn’t interest me, but the hospital subscribed to a serious newspaper for the older kids and I had nothing to do but enjoy reading it and being scared shitless.
That probably added two years to my age, and is definitely one of his faults. I grew up and made a serious study of history in University. I learnt, and I continue to learn that the Cold war was nothing but a game of Chicken, played by two manipulative countries.
I spent two weeks in Cuba in 1978 with a social democratic group. On the North Shore. In February. Not visiting the southern beaches, getting a sunburn and wondering where my next pina coloda was coming from. But I saw a lot of the country they never show sun-tourists, and several places that weren’t on the Cubatur list, but which ordinary Cubans had invited us to visit. That was an eye-opener.
Ah, but I am babbling. The main thing I like about Castro is that he kept Cuba from becoming a source of cheap labour for American capitalism, kept them from cheap but excellent cigars, and, most of all, kept his country from being a cheap foodbasket for the American corporate maw.
Viva Fidel! Yanqui, go home! And Marvie? That’s my opinion, buddy. Suck it up.
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Uncle Pete
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And thanks to the posters ahead of me who have belatedly taken up cudgels, while recognising that Castro was fallible, You know who your are.
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Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
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And yes, I am aware that he had faults. He was fallible, but he was for Cuba. Unlike Americans , he set up a health care system. I give him points for that, because I am also the beneficiary of a health care system in Canada (not perfect, but which one is? The education system works pretty well too.
You great twat. Canada has a health system. The UK has a health system. Neither the UK nor Canada operate under a repressive communist dictatorship. Ergo, it is possible to establish a health system without murdering and imprisoning your political opponents.
Oh, and that utter, utter, bullshit about how Cuba was lucky to have him for 55 years. Grow the fuck up. Lucky countries have political leaders who resign or lose elections, not who hand over to their fucking brothers after several decades of despotism. Lucky countries have free and fair elections. Lucky countries have the freedom o the press. Lucky countries have religious freedom. Lucky countries don't throw their gay and lesbian citizens in prison. Lucky countries have independent Trade Unions. Cuba is, and remains desperately unlucky. Frankly people like you are no different from apologists for Apartheid South Africa, Pinochet's Chile and Saudi Arabia. Of course, there are regrettable details in the area of human rights but there is so much progress, and I had such a lovely holiday/ fact finding tour where I could see that everything was so wonderful!
Well, now, I'm glad you got such a nice fucking tan.
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Your opinion is noted, Callan. There remains a few factual errors in your post, which, in your haste, to have a great closing line, you perhaps missed. You don't give a suntan on Cuba's North Coast in February. As for suggesting that I am a sort to support South Africa and apartheid, I maintained a complete blockade of anything made or grown in South Africa for nearly 35 years until Mandela was released from prison and took power. Funny thing, eh?
As for Pinochet, I cheered when he finally died. As for Saudi Arabia, no western country has the balls to face possibly losing oil contracts.
As for being a great twat, perhaps I am (the jury still being out), but I point out to you that it takes one twat to recognise another.
Toodles.
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Gee D
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The post in which you said this:
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Private messages don't do any good; but I started this thread in AS for a reason. Take your negative posts elsewhere.
since you can't even go to the effort of working it out.
None of us has said that Batista was good, simply pointed out just how bad Castro was. If you want to go into useless comparisons, he did not kill as large a proportion of his population as did Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot, but he did a pretty good job of trying.
Yes, he did bring in a healthcare system, but so did many other countries without murdering a substantial portion of the population. To much the same extent as the Kim dynasty in North Korea, he has abolished poverty and ensured an equitable distribution of food.
Basically, you opened a thread in All Saints, then complained when others disagreed with your opinion of a mass murderer. You should have apologised but you took days to do so. That's enough.
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Uncle Pete
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Ah, I see. Because I signed on to Ship of fools over 11 years ago, I am presumed not to have a private life, but must continue to sit here clicking refresh. Fuck that, buddy boy. I have a life. Unlike some sad cases here.
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Go Pete Go! ![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif)
Cuba not being a client state of the Yanquis is a problem yes?
"Look away across the bay
Yankee gunboat come this way
Uncle Sam gonna save the day
Come tomorrow we all gonna pay.
Burn baby burn..." (Bruce Cockburn, 1974 "Burn Baby Burn")
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
I have a life. Unlike some sad cases here.
I resemble that remark.
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After 57 years Castro can certainly answer for his own legacy, he certainly can't be excused with reference to Batista after that length of time.
And the suggestion that the price of actual democracy for the sake of independence is in any way acceptable is risible. To excuse it because Castro tweaked the Yanks' noses is even more so.
Castro was ultimately a coward, he was afraid of the ballot box.
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lilBuddha
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quote:
Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
Being better than his peers should at least count for something - at the very least not being vilified more than his peers.
I have said as much more than once.
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Originally posted by Teekeey Misha:
I'm not going to sit here and type that Castro was a saint, but nor am I willing to damn him as quickly as others. (Largely, I guess, because I'm not convinced that the terrible offences he may have committed aren't committed by "democratic" nations all the time.)
No, I am sorry, this is rubbish. Terrible things are still terrible whether or not there are worse offenders.
And he did torture and imprison people who were his allies in the initial revolution. This is how revolutions work. Huber Matos is one example. But murdering captured opposition is hardly a thing a Christian should applaud anyway.
There were several waves of émigrés from Cuba. One could dismiss the first as rich and middle class feeing because they would lose their advantage. But each successive wave came from lower and lower down the economic scale. How is it that people fled such a glorious leader of a wonderous paradise?
Oppression and suppression are wrong. Because Castro helped the poor makes him better than some, but it does not make him worthy of praise when weighed with that.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Uncle Pete:
I have a life. Unlike some sad cases here.
Remind me, who was complaining that PMs did not work? And how long did that person wait before issuing these complaints?
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Originally posted by no prophet's flag is set so...:
Go Pete Go!
Still waiting for you Christians justify the love for a mass murdering, repressive dictator.
And what SPK said. If after 57 years, you still need to lock your citizens in, you have not liberated anyone.
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[QUOTE]Still waiting for you Christians justify the love for a mass murdering, repressive dictator.
You first. Starting with your favourite leader from any freaking anywhere.
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And what SPK said. If after 57 years, you still need to lock your citizens in, you have not liberated anyone.
The boxing in is 50% America`s doing.
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Go Pete Go!
Cuba not being a client state of the Yanquis is a problem yes?
"Look away across the bay
Yankee gunboat come this way
Uncle Sam gonna save the day
Come tomorrow we all gonna pay.
Burn baby burn..." (Bruce Cockburn, 1974 "Burn Baby Burn")
When am I gonna get my turn?
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[QUOTE]Still waiting for you Christians justify the love for a mass murdering, repressive dictator.
You first. Starting with your favourite leader from any freaking anywhere.
This is a stupid statement. Even if every leader everywhere were a mass murder, that would still not make Castro a hero or saint. How many people has Justin Trudeau murdered?
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And what SPK said. If after 57 years, you still need to lock your citizens in, you have not liberated anyone.
The boxing in is 50% America`s doing.
I think we could argue percentages, but I never said America wasn't at fault as well. It remains that Castro chose the path and held to it after his sugar mama* died. And did not allow his people the choice to change it or even discuss it out loud.
*The Soviet Union that is, for the hard of thinking.
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Who claimed Castro was a saint?
The first stupid question was your's.
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Who claimed Castro was a saint?
Zappa called him a hero and Uncle Pete is fairly well implying his saintliness.
I'm not proposing roasting marshmallows on his writhing body in Hell, but opening the Pearly Gates for him is wrong as well.
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The first stupid question was your's.
And fuck off you tosser. I'm not praising anyone who murdered people, am I? Simply because I hold Castro to his crimes does not mean I absolve anyone else of theirs. A crime is a crime regardless of the politics of the person committing it.
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Who claimed Castro was a saint?
The first stupid question was your's.
You remind me of the Socialist Caucus the NDP. Pampered, Middle Class Airhead. Just because you had a Che poster above your bed in high school doesn't make you a Lefty.
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Originally posted by lilBuddha:
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Who claimed Castro was a saint?
Zappa called him a hero and Uncle Pete is fairly well implying his saintliness.
I'm not proposing roasting marshmallows on his writhing body in Hell, but opening the Pearly Gates for him is wrong as well.
Castro was a fallible man. And definitely not a Catlick, so he will never be a saint. I did not bring religion into this thread. You and others did. Religion has no place in politics, Trump and Modi, notwithstanding. And don't include me as a Christian.
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Who claimed Castro was a saint?
The first stupid question was your's.
You remind me of the Socialist Caucus the NDP. Pampered, Middle Class Airhead. Just because you had a Che poster above your bed in high school doesn't make you a Lefty.
Che was an idiot. We didn't have posters in my day. We had nothing, being refugee kids we made no political anything known until the Co-op openned. But it was the Medicare strike that formed things.
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Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth reading Mao's Little Red Book?
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Ah, I see. Because I signed on to Ship of fools over 11 years ago, I am presumed not to have a private life, but must continue to sit here clicking refresh. Fuck that, buddy boy. I have a life. Unlike some sad cases here.
And having opened the thread on the wrong board in the first instance, you complained that neither Callan nor I had responded to PM - when you did not even send one to me, and you'd allowed less than an hour to Callan. Doesn't carry much weight with me when you now say that you have a life.
Would you have posted in All Saints for Dylann Storm Roof, because he used give his mother a Christmas present? The Columbine killers because they helped a little old lady or 2 to cross the street? Of course no -think on this and then read what lilBuddha has written.
And apologies from me leaving some 5 hours from your post before making this. A small matter of fulfilling prior obligations to others.
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We liked Kurt better: take a flying fuck at a rolling dooughnut you *.
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There were several waves of émigrés from Cuba. One could dismiss the first as rich and middle class feeing because they would lose their advantage. But each successive wave came from lower and lower down the economic scale. How is it that people fled such a glorious leader of a wonderous paradise?
Like the Hungarians who emigrated after WW II. Those who left in '45 and '46 had reason to fear a more democratic government. Those who fled in '56 had tried the new régime, found it even more undemocratic than those before the war and that their lot in life had not improved. You could say the same of the East Germans who left in '45 and compare them to those who left after '53 - an uprising started by construction workers.
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