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balaam
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The competition is hotting up. Only the good ones - and Vicky P - left.
Although greatly improved from week one, she's possibly the most improved dancer there, but that's not enough. Victoria is lucky there was no elimination in the first week.
Last in the judges voting again, and deservedly so, how long can the public keep her in? To think that at the beginning of the competition I'd tipped her as one to watch, but that was before I'd witnessed her dancing.
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Michael Vaughan has improved out of all recognition too. He's dancing properly now. I reckon he'd be in contention for most improved dancer too - until his next Latin dance.
Louis Smith isn't improving as much or as fast as the others. He's still relying on the things he was using in week one - great lines and suppleness, engagement with the music and emotional expression, not so much.
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Was it me or was Bruce worse than usual last night? I can never decide if his naffness is deliberate or not. As for the dancing I think it's Victoria's time to go - followed maybe by Louis if he doesn't start improving.
It's all abit dull that Denise VO seems destined to win the thing - which is what I would have assuemd if none of them had danced at all.
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That was painful, VP was even worse than last night. You don't do that badly in a dance off and survive she didn't.
As for Brucie, the deliberate naffness ran over into real naffness yesterday. He's still a good performer (they all have poor days) but the week without him was even better than those with.
Its time for Bruce to retire, before he gets any naffer, and we can remember the good performer that he is.
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Well, I read that he's married and his wife is about to have a baby. Maybe that's got something to do with his transformation into Mr. Nice Guy.
Starting to ponder who might make it into the final; currently leaning towards Denise, Dani and Nicky.
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Just caught up with the last two weeks.
Kylie's number at Wembley cracked me up. Two big blokes in leather shorts holding hands, with Kylie stood in front of them. Best gay wedding ever...!
So glad Lisa is still in. The rhumba didn't suit her but she danced a competent rhumba with plenty of good basic steps, rather than the 'floating around in a pretty dress' nonsense you usually get on Strictly.
Nicky has finally woken up. Loved Karen's 'Josephine Baker' style in the charleston.
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Yes, when I saw Kylie's male dancers, my immediate reaction was 'there's someone who knows her target audience'.
I think Denise and Dani will be in the final, with either Louis or Kimberley, though Kimberley's recent appearance in the bottom 2 might mean Louis gets the place instead.
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I don't think Louis is improving enough to be a finalist, not a good year for the men, I can't see Michael getting much further, I think Nicky is the best bet for a male finalist, but that isn't saying much.
Shame there is no award for best entertainment. Lisa is walking that.
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Nicky is going to have to learn to straighten his legs if he wants to be a finalist. His bent legs worked OK in the Charleston, but it depends on what he's dancing next as to whether it's going to be a problem again.
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Two weeks on and his lega are still bent.
Kimberley gets a perfect four tens. Actually I preferred Dani but then the judges are looking from a different angle to the cameras. The standard in very high this year.
Lisa is still fun; I hope she stays to the final as she is the best entertainment on the show. Plus Bruce managed to pull off a joke. A first this season.
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I can't see Lisa making the final, much as she's excellent value.
Chez Snags our predictions (hopes in the first instance) are:
- Nicky out this week (yay! please!)*
- Lisa out next
- Louis not quite making the final unless
they feel they must have a chap
- no idea who'll win between Denise, Dani and Kimberley
*Sorry to any fans, but although he's upped his game on the dancing, he's still an irritating twat, and Karen double with bells on.
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Originally posted by Snags:
- Louis not quite making the final unless
they feel they must have a chap
Why not? He is a good dancer and seems to have cracked the performance element to his dancing. To do a rhumba/tango fusion is incredibly difficult, especially given that the rhumba is so fluid. For a bloke to dance with the level of grace Louis showed is amazing and his transition to tango was perfect. He keeps getting scored too low for what he is achieving IMO. I'm convinced he didn't get a 10 from Darcey this time because of the fuss made after his performance last week.
In previous series the judges have acknowledged that this comp is so much harder for the male celebs as they have to do all the leading and they don't have the flowing dresses and stunning steps that the women have to show off their abilities. He was third last night - should have been joint second IMO - and first last week.
I think the top three of last night are the real dancers and should be the couples left fighting it out.
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I just don't feel any commitment to the dance coming from Louis. He works hard at getting the technique right, but still isn't bringing his face to the party.
Even his Charleston face looked like a mask he was wearing for the occasion, and I didn't see any improvement last night on earlier weeks.
He's animated enough when not dancing, so why not when he's on the floor?
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I just don't feel any commitment to the dance comi
He's animated enough when not dancing, so why not when he's on the floor?
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It could also be that he's performing to the judges, they seem to like it, different camera angles and all that (see above). I have not noticed a camera behind the judges, so we don't get to see what they see.
It's a shame Dani is so short, long limbs help to emphasise the lines of the dance. To me she's the best dancer.
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Originally posted by Sleepwalker:
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Originally posted by Snags:
- Louis not quite making the final unless
they feel they must have a chap
Why not?
I love watching him, and I think he's great, but for me he doesn't quite bring the emotion/characterisation to the same degree as the three best ladies do. Overall I tend to think that Dani, Denise and Kimberley are better/more consistent at the full package than Louis has managed. I actually feel for him, because the other three are basically in performance/character driven careers, whereas all of his professional training will be to keep it stony faced and neutral, so the bloke's got to come from way behind on that side of things.
I'll be sorry to see any of them go once Nicky is out, and the standard does seem to be very high this year.
And I should also point out that I am a complete non-dancer, and a total dance ignoramus. So the above is based on my impressions as a layman across the series, not on any actual technical assessment from a position of knowledge.
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I think Louis will make the final. But it must be difficult for him, as said, his gymnastics training has taught him to remain unemotional when performing so he must be finding it difficult. It seems in real life he is relaxed and fun (his imitations were good on ITT) so perhaps what he needs to do is forget that he is performing.
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Spoilers for those watching catch up
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I'm pleased Denise made the dance off. Not because I want her to go out but so we get to see the dance without the wardrobe malfunction.
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Lots of debate on Digital Spy about who should have been in the dance off ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Just caught up with the show. A few thoughts:
Louis is hot!
Dani was absolutely wonderful! She looked stunning, it's good they've started dressing her properly and she's obviously lost weight too. my new favourite
Lisa was stompy and needs to lift her legs more.
I'm hoping the final 4 will be Dani, Louis, Kimberley and Denise.
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I just don't feel any commitment to the dance coming from Louis. He works hard at getting the technique right, but still isn't bringing his face to the party.
Well, I certainly noticed his face on Saturday night! I thought he did tender very well! And he changed his expression and posture when the tango started. I'm not sure what people are expecting. He isn't a girl.
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Even his Charleston face looked like a mask he was wearing for the occasion,
But that is exactly what it was! It was supposed to be exaggerated as he was playing a silent movie mad doctor. He played that very well.
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Originally posted by Heavenly Anarchist:
Just caught up with the show. A few thoughts:
Louis is hot!
Most definitely!!
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I'm hoping the final 4 will be Dani, Louis, Kimberley and Denise.
Same here, simply because they are the best four dancers, and by some distance.
It is annoying me that is it Lisa? The one from Emmerdale? Keeps getting 9s when all she brings is loudness and enthusiasm. Her dancing is verging on the awful. She should have been in the dance off instead of Denise on Sunday.
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Lisa's faces and jazz hands are getting to me too. She is now the worse dancer by far.
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Lisa is sadly out.
As it is a dance competition it isn't surprising. Not that she was bad, but the others were so good.
But a dance show could not go out at prime time on a weekend if it wasn't also about entertainment. In past years John Sergeant and Ann Widdicombe have provided the entertainment. This year was different, the entertainment was by someone who could dance.
I supposed it is right that the best dancers should be in the final. But I'll miss Lisa, she was so much fun.
As for the winner next week, my head says Kimberley, but my heart says Dani.
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The ones who 'entertain' usually go out at this stage so that the final has the best dancers so it is no surprise that she went this week.
I think the competition is open, though Louis obviously has lots of public votes.
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I think it depends on how they do the voting in the final. It should be between Denise and Kimberley, because they are the best two ( although not by a lot ). Kimberley seems to have been improving at just the right time, so may get it.
Of course, if it is based on public vote, this changes things, because Denise is not getting the public vote. It it not clear who of the others is getting the most votes.
The best 4 are in the final. And they are all very good, on a good day.
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I believe it will be public vote so Denise doesn't stand a chance despite her obvious talents.
I think Kimberley was the best on Saturday, despite her soft core ( she sometimes seems to relax her middle and go floppy). I don't like the way she pouts though. I did love Dani's Argentine Tango and Louis' Foxtrot was charming.
Louis is rumoured to be topping the votes and he must be doing well as he was bottom 2 on the board but has never been in the dance off. Dani also hasn't been in the dance off. I think it is very open.
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I'm probably mis-remembering, but I thought there were usually only three couples in the final. Can someone remind me what the process will be next Saturday, please?
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They decided to change it to 4 a few weeks ago, it was originally advertised as 3 on the website as usual. The rumour mill says this was because they knew Denise wasn't popular and didn't want her to go out despite being one of the best dancers. But who knows why they changed it.
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I 'think' they are doing judges' favourites and their own favourites, then show dance. I'm guessing there will be vote offs at each stage but don't really know, I think they usually vote someone off after the first 2 dances when there are only 3 of them, then a public vote between the last 2 after the show dance.
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Heavenly
Thank you. I must say I haven't been as interested this year as I usually am and have not voted. The friend, with whom I confer during and at the end of every Saturday show, and I think that James doesn't have the charisma that Pasha for instance has; but we're both pretty old, so we might be quite wrong!!
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A large harrumph from the Snagses and friends (Strictly final being a social occasion).
I like Louis, and he deserved to be in the final, but I have to say I think that both Denise and Kimberley would have been more deserving winners overall.
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View of the family synoddy was that the right person won. On the show dance alone he and Flavia were outstanding but the family think Louis has been on the longest journey, and coupled with his lack of show biz background, they liked his range of dance style displayed tonight.
Second choice was Kimberley with Denise a long, long way back in third.
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View of the family synoddy was that the right person won. On the show dance alone he and Flavia were outstanding but the family think Louis has been on the longest journey, and coupled with his lack of show biz background, they liked his range of dance style displayed tonight.
Second choice was Kimberley with Denise a long, long way back in third.
Denise wasn't that bad. The judges votes, only one point between them after three dances, show just how close it was.
Of the four finalists, three had dance training. Kimberley danced as part of Girls Aloud, Denise and Dani had dance training at stage school: Denise went on to perform in Chicago.
So it was three semi-professional dancers against a gymnast. That the gymnast won is amazing, though I'm guessing the shirt off dance helped. But it was always like this.
To have three performances of that quality in the final though is what we should be crowing about, not just the winner. I think we have seen the best series of Strictly ever, I can't see it ever being better than this.
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The judges marks and comments seemed balanced and fair but poor old Denise just didn't get the popular vote on our sofa! Both teenagers in our house 'took a'gin' Denise, seemingly for having stared in a musical AND wanting to win too much. OK so she wasn't alone in either fault, if indeed they can be considered faults, but their dislike was evident from week 1 and they never relented.
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"He's going to perform with his shirt off."
Now imagine a similar phrase being used by a male pro-dancer about a female celebrity. The BBC phone lines would melt.
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Oh, I agree! And frankly it didn't help his case for me. I voted for Denise because I thought she was the best in each dance. I would have loved Dani to win but she wasn't quite as good as the others.
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I think the wrong person won, although any of them were good enough. Of late, Kimberly was the most consistently good. Over the entire series, Denise was the best. But Louis was the most improved, so I can see why people voted for him.
I think it is very significant that on the final leader board, the three couples, over three dances, dropped a total of 5 points. That is the clearest indication of the quality of all the finalists.
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I think the girls should have danced with their tops off too - even playing field.
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"He's going to perform with his shirt off."
Now imagine a similar phrase being used by a male pro-dancer about a female celebrity. The BBC phone lines would melt.
The girls performed in short skirts and midriff exposing outfits almost every week so I don't see what's so contentious about a man dancing with his shirt off. If he'd danced naked then fair enough. Although I'm not sure the phone melt would have been down to complaints! Not from the girls at any rate!
Louis was gorgeous and I don't just mean physically. His dancing was amazing, especially given where he started and how difficult he found it to perform. That showdance was incredible. His strength and grace just had me glued to the screen. But he also danced out Flavia's samba extras extremely well in their first dance and although his charleston wasn't as well finished this time as the first time he danced it, he still pulled off a great performance and it was fun.
To combine three different dances and to dance them all to the standard he did given his lack of dance background made him the best of the final three and very much the worthy winner.
That he was hot was a Christmas bonus!
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I agree that out of the final three Louis certainly traveled the longest journey. I remain to be convinced he went far enough to be the best dancer though, and I suspect if it hadn't been a public vote the result would have been different.
However, he was always going to be a popular choice, and I don't begrudge him it. It's just that the objective* bit of me can't help saying to the 'the right guy won' folks things like "Really? You really thought he was the best dancer? Not just the one that had come furthest through starting further behind? Not just the one that you warmed to most personally? Not just the guy you were rooting for?".
All that said, as Balaam said, it was an incredibly strong final, and a very good series throughout. And perversely, if Louis hadn't won, I'd be left feeling very sorry for whichever of Kimberley or Denise also lost out, whereas because he did, I can be consoled that they can both say "Bah, we wuz robbed in a popularity contest!"
As for the shirt-off thing, anyone who seriously thinks it's an even comparison to reverse the genders needs to get their overly precious head out of their right-on bottom ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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I am rather tired of all the 'shirt off' remarks. Another site I frequent has a thread running about SCD, where people often comment live. I usually have to wade through several pages of drooling over Artem's abs before I find a comment on any dancing.
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I must be odd.
I don't find the sight of a guy dancing with his shirt off does anything for me - especially if he has been shaved, sprayed and oiled into the bargain.
Having items of clothing torn off mid-dance is equally boring, whether the dancer is male or female. It all seems to be a ploy to distract from the actual dancing
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I'm not a fan of muscles so Artem/Robin/Louis/whoever sans shirt does absolutely nothing for me. I would've preferred Denise to win, but it's the spectacle and (hush my mouth) the "journeys" that interest me...which is why the Christmas Strictly doesn't thrill me as much as the series.
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Congratultions go to former Strictly judge Arlene Phillips, who hs received a CBE in the New Yer Honours list "for her services to dance and to charity".
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And to Louis Smith for his award
Oops, forgot Victoria Pendleton too.
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