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And WHEN is McLaren speaking?
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We're not going this year, unfortunately - various family and other holiday commitments in the week or so before mean that it's just too far to come so soon after another set of really long drives south from Scotland. It's the ideal location for us though (well as ideal as possible in the circumstances, given we live in Scotland - my parents live less than 10 miles away from Boughton House). And being a Northants native I can appreciate the thread title ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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I'll be there. First 'christian festival' I'll have been to since the 1984 Anglia Bible Week. Don't think the schedule has been released yet, but it can't be too long before it is.
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Jack the Lass! I was taken for a Wellingborough native in a Northampton pub!! Deep joy. One is from Leamers ectually.
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Lots of acts listed on the website but they don't tend to give a full timetable till much closer.
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Jack the Lass
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Jack the Lass! I was taken for a Wellingborough native in a Northampton pub!! Deep joy. One is from Leamers ectually.
Haha, I'm not sure I'd dare go in a Northampton pub! Oh well, take it as a compliment - all the best people are Wellingborough natives ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Hubby and I will be there too.
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Aye. Don't know if I'm talking yet, though.
I'm not, although I did apply to.
Clearly "an hour spouting meaningless drivel" didn't appeal.
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I'll be there with the family as always. Only now it is nearer to me again - hooray!
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Yep, will be there with Mrs Roar, little Roar (who will be 16 months old) and the in-Roars.
I'm hoping I'll be looking forward to the festival a bit more by the time it comes round. It's all been super stressful up to this point with the new camping arrangements meaning we thought we (in our tent) wouldn't be able to camp with our in-laws (in their trailer tent - needed for FiL's health), being officially told by GB that we *would* be able to camp together, and then being told by GB a month later that we would *not*... In the end we've bitten the bullet and hired a trailer tent ourselves for that weekend...
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Should be there.
I had a walk on the southern edge when there were the (floods in Devon and) high water in the Ise brook. Ground did seem pretty solid and not too muddy.
Still no idea where the actual thing is happening and what spirit the owners are taking it in. I'll try to reccie during Alt-fest.
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Not sure. We have been spoilt by the Cheltenham Racecourse venue- the infrastructure meant that however bad the weather, there was somewhere sheltered to retreat to and get dry again. Except that awful year when it never stopped....
Cheltenham is also near, so we could get home quickly, if necessary.
We will wait and see....
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Well of course, B&B booked as soon as the new venue was announced.
Don't forget its not in Cheltenham.... ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
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Will be there - volunteering in the Access area.
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I booked tickets soon after I got home last year.
I booked accommodation within days of the venue being announced.
Am I coming over as too enthusiastic?
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Will be being Franciscan again. Intrigued as to how that's going to work out. Must work out how I'm going to get there too.
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Originally posted by Carys:
Will be being Franciscan again. Intrigued as to how that's going to work out. Must work out how I'm going to get there too.
Carys
Will you be on the Anglican communities stand? I know last year it was only a couple of stands across from the SCM stand (which I was volunteering on) - fun to see so many habits!
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Originally posted by Carys:
Will be being Franciscan again. Intrigued as to how that's going to work out. Must work out how I'm going to get there too.
Carys
Will you be on the Anglican communities stand? I know last year it was only a couple of stands across from the SCM stand (which I was volunteering on) - fun to see so many habits!
I'm a tertiary so if I'm on a stall it'll be the TSSF one which was next to the ARC one last year, though I failed to volunteer for a slot. Franciscan encampment has a mix of First order, Third Order, companions and others, and increasingly other orders but it was felt that ARC stall should be staffed by those of gathered religious communities.
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Nope, we're not going this year.
Mainly because I am expecting a baby two weeks before the festival so we might be a bit busy!
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We probably won't be there this year either. Unfortunately finances and our new house have taken priority. Disappointed as would have liked to see how it works at the new venue.
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Nope, we're not going this year.
Mainly because I am expecting a baby two weeks before the festival so we might be a bit busy!
That is, of course, no sort of excuse. If Kate Aldridge can give birth at Glastonbury*, it should be a doddle to give birth at Greenbelt...
The Revs will be there but with very different travel arrangements. Cheltenham was barely an hour away, but Broughton requires an overnight stay at the MiL somewhere near civilisation (Leicester!). We did look at volunteering options but with a new venue it seemed sensible to see how things work out before adding further levels of confusion.
* I am aware that The Archers is fictional**, but it seems like a good example to me
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Incidentally, on one day of the festival, I will be wearing a Schroedingers Cat t-short. Look out for it, and say hello!
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I was thinking of sporting a green gardenia.
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I'm planning to be there as usual, but it'll be weird doing it without ken.
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Hi all,
Myself, Daddyrat and Ratlet will all be going for the first time this year. Ratlet is only a baby - has anyone else taken a baby before and survived?!
Other festivals I've been to tend to have started at midday and finished around 10.30pm. Is GB similar? I have heard mention of a midnight goth Eucharist at a previous GB (sounds great)!
Thanks in advance for any hints and tips!
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My mob are there (Order of the Black Sheep) but I'm not personally, alas.
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Hi all,
Myself, Daddyrat and Ratlet will all be going for the first time this year. Ratlet is only a baby - has anyone else taken a baby before and survived?!
Other festivals I've been to tend to have started at midday and finished around 10.30pm. Is GB similar? I have heard mention of a midnight goth Eucharist at a previous GB (sounds great)!
Thanks in advance for any hints and tips!
I've never taken a baby to GB, but the festival organisers work quite hard to make things easier for people with very little ones. The Cheltenham venue used to have a rest venue (OK, a big tent) with facilities for baby changing, bathing, chilling out etc. It always looked busy so I assume there will be something similar at the new place.
Scheduled events at GB tend to start at 9am and finish around 11pm, with the occasional late night thing going on like the Goth Eucharist. Again, it'll be interesting to see how they manage all that at the new venue, particularly with fewer actual buildings available.
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That's great - thanks both. Can't wait!!!
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Originally posted by recklessrat:
Hi all,
Myself, Daddyrat and Ratlet will all be going for the first time this year. Ratlet is only a baby - has anyone else taken a baby before and survived?!
Other festivals I've been to tend to have started at midday and finished around 10.30pm. Is GB similar? I have heard mention of a midnight goth Eucharist at a previous GB (sounds great)!
Thanks in advance for any hints and tips!
Both my boys went to Greenbelt as babies, my youngest was only 2 months. We found this age was okay, as he breastfed and slept all day so was it easy to sit in venues like the Performance Cafe. We had planned for him to sleep in a Moses basket at night but he was freezing in it and ended sleeping with us instead - do bear cold nights in mind, though the new location is probably warmer than Cheltenham. Greenbelt is used to children though, there is a curfew area to camp in and baby bathing facilities, though we used to bathe our older babies in a plastic toy tub in the sun - people came up and took photos!
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Originally posted by recklessrat:
Hi all,
Myself, Daddyrat and Ratlet will all be going for the first time this year. Ratlet is only a baby - has anyone else taken a baby before and survived?!
Other festivals I've been to tend to have started at midday and finished around 10.30pm. Is GB similar? I have heard mention of a midnight goth Eucharist at a previous GB (sounds great)!
Thanks in advance for any hints and tips!
Yes. Both of mine were babies and toddlers at GB.
If I have one hint, it's go for the Early Curfew field. Noise cut-off is about 9, 9.30pm. Obviously, you may have to put up with screaming babies all around you, but at least you don't have youth groups singing Kendrick songs until 3am.
GB tends to start earlier. Most first talks are scheduled to start at (IIRC) 9am or 9.30.
There will be (has been in the past, presumably will be this year) a tent with a bazillion Burco boilers where you can bathe the little treasures and get them changed in a modicum of comfort. There's also (again, IIRC) bottle warming and sterilisation facilities, if you're bottle feeding/weaning.
A buggy with big wheels is good. We also had a backpack/papoose which is also good.
The one downside of very young kids at the festival is that you may not see your other half, except to swap childcare duties.
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Originally posted by recklessrat:
Hi all,
Myself, Daddyrat and Ratlet will all be going for the first time this year. Ratlet is only a baby - has anyone else taken a baby before and survived?!
Other festivals I've been to tend to have started at midday and finished around 10.30pm. Is GB similar? I have heard mention of a midnight goth Eucharist at a previous GB (sounds great)!
Thanks in advance for any hints and tips!
The festival as a whole is very family friendly, and if you meet other shipmates etc, they will help out. It is also a long day, full of lots of fun, but don't try to do too much. Have fun, find the things you want to do, and come back another year for the rest.
I have just heard that Grace Petrie is playing again. She was superb last year, and I am SO looking forward to hearing her again. GO AND HEAR HER.
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Thanks very much all for your replies!
Ratlet will be 4 months in August, and I must confess, we have chickened out of camping and booked a hotel, so it's really just the long days we need to think about. We are breastfeeding, so I need to think about chairs, cushions etc to keep us comfy. We have a pram with decent wheels, so that should be fine.
I am trying not to set my expectations too high with regard to how much we will actually do/see whilst we're there - whatever we do, it'll be a nice break away from our living room for a few days!
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Originally posted by recklessrat:
Thanks very much all for your replies!
Ratlet will be 4 months in August, and I must confess, we have chickened out of camping and booked a hotel, so it's really just the long days we need to think about. We are breastfeeding, so I need to think about chairs, cushions etc to keep us comfy. We have a pram with decent wheels, so that should be fine.
I am trying not to set my expectations too high with regard to how much we will actually do/see whilst we're there - whatever we do, it'll be a nice break away from our living room for a few days!
Just to say, one of ours has been recorded live, wailing in a John Bell talk, just before I grabbed her and headed for the exit.
Loud music, on the other hand, is excellent, as no one around you cares.
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Originally posted by recklessrat:
Thanks very much all for your replies!
Ratlet will be 4 months in August, and I must confess, we have chickened out of camping and booked a hotel, so it's really just the long days we need to think about. We are breastfeeding, so I need to think about chairs, cushions etc to keep us comfy. We have a pram with decent wheels, so that should be fine.
I am trying not to set my expectations too high with regard to how much we will actually do/see whilst we're there - whatever we do, it'll be a nice break away from our living room for a few days!
As well as the parent and child areas (which as a non-parent I'm not very acquainted with, sorry) there is the Access area - it's for everyone attending Greenbelt who needs some time out, as well as making sure those with accessibility needs are catered for. I don't know what exactly it will be like this year, and I can't guarantee cushions, but there will be somewhere quiet to sit down. I can't imagine breastfeeding would be an issue. I am volunteering there this year so do come and say hello anyway
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If you take a cushion, there are few places where breastfeeding should be an issue. Even if you do very little of the activities, there should be plenty to join in with from a distance.
What hotel are you staying at? I am in the Holiday Inn Express (I don't do camping either). Any other shipmates there? Would be good to say hello.
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DT - thanks for the warning! Will sit in 'easy to escape' locations in any talks I attend!
JC - that sounds perfect - a quiet place to sit. See you there!
SC - we are in a little independent hotel, which I think is a few miles away. We're driving to and from the fest and have booked parking so hopefully that'll work out ok...
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When we went to GB last year The Little Mister was 9 months old and I breastfed him anywhere and everywhere.
I have to admit that we also chickened out of camping but the feeding bit was easy.
We did buy some baby ear defenders which I found useful because I didn't have to worry about his sensitive ears and the loud music.
Unfortunately we are not going this year as we are expecting another baby a few weeks earlier. I am not sure I am that brave!
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When we went to GB last year The Little Mister was 9 months old and I breastfed him anywhere and everywhere.
I have to admit that we also chickened out of camping but the feeding bit was easy.
We did buy some baby ear defenders which I found useful because I didn't have to worry about his sensitive ears and the loud music.
Unfortunately we are not going this year as we are expecting another baby a few weeks earlier. I am not sure I am that brave!
Auntie Doris x
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We wont make it this year (I went every year for 10 years but health issues made it really hard 2 years ago so last year was the first we missed! Next year hopefully).
AS for small people. We took Small person 1 at 5 months and I really think that's the easiest time. I just sat and curled up with her everywhere and anywhere. You can certainly feed everywhere, wherever you're sat/standing/whatever so I wouldn't worry about that. They're not old enough to tell you they're bored/really need to do x/need a wee/ food etc
Following years were 1.5, 2.5 and fun - child running everywhere and playing but tends not to sit for anything, so we didn't go to talks but heard music from the edge and enjoyed all the childrens programming.
3.5 year old and small baby we found tough, but mainly due to my health, alongside lack of sleep!
When we went (obviously different venue) we found the tent (cant remember the name) with the baths and the comfy chairs a fantastic refuge. They open up early in the morning, so after strollign around with far too awake baby you can go in and they make you a cup of tea and you can sit bleary eyed with other parents of early risers. It was started by a dad who noticed lots of dads strolling around at silly-o-clock wtih babies!
The other thing we found fantastic was all the childrens drama, my then 3.5 year old loved it and I enjoyed experiencing it all with her. You have to check the programme though.
With first child I used a sling rather than a pushchair - and at baby stage (and one child) that's perfect and all you need really. Can feed walking along/ they can just sleep as you go in and out of venues etc. I borrowed a buggy as they got bigger and it was easier for them to nap in one/ be babysat in one/left to sleep in one at night...
I think GB is a fantastic place for babies, I'm sure you'll have a fantastic time!
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We wont make it this year (I went every year for 10 years but health issues made it really hard 2 years ago so last year was the first we missed! Next year hopefully).
AS for small people. We took Small person 1 at 5 months and I really think that's the easiest time. I just sat and curled up with her everywhere and anywhere. You can certainly feed everywhere, wherever you're sat/standing/whatever so I wouldn't worry about that. They're not old enough to tell you they're bored/really need to do x/need a wee/ food etc
Following years were 1.5, 2.5 and fun - child running everywhere and playing but tends not to sit for anything, so we didn't go to talks but heard music from the edge and enjoyed all the childrens programming.
3.5 year old and small baby we found tough, but mainly due to my health, alongside lack of sleep!
When we went (obviously different venue) we found the tent (cant remember the name) with the baths and the comfy chairs a fantastic refuge. They open up early in the morning, so after strollign around with far too awake baby you can go in and they make you a cup of tea and you can sit bleary eyed with other parents of early risers. It was started by a dad who noticed lots of dads strolling around at silly-o-clock wtih babies!
The other thing we found fantastic was all the childrens drama, my then 3.5 year old loved it and I enjoyed experiencing it all with her. You have to check the programme though.
With first child I used a sling rather than a pushchair - and at baby stage (and one child) that's perfect and all you need really. Can feed walking along/ they can just sleep as you go in and out of venues etc. I borrowed a buggy as they got bigger and it was easier for them to nap in one/ be babysat in one/left to sleep in one at night...
I think GB is a fantastic place for babies, I'm sure you'll have a fantastic time!
Thanks Emma Louise, really good to learn from your experiences. We have a baby carrier but I may have to ask Daddyrat to help out with that - Ratlet is super heavy already!
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Mrs Tor reminded me that taking a favourite bathtime toy makes sitting in a bath in a tent more familiar.
Also that you won't have disappearing toddler syndrome (which happened to one of my godsons who vanished in the middle of the campsite. He was retrieved by an eagle-eyed nun who thought the child too young to be on their own...)
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Sudden vision of eagle-eyed nuns hovering over Greenbelt at a thousand feet or more watching for stray children!
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Originally posted by Welease Woderwick:
Sudden vision of eagle-eyed nuns hovering over Greenbelt at a thousand feet or more watching for stray children!
Small child + sea of tents = labyrinthine search.
We were relatively quick off the mark, but we were very grateful to SuperNun.
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Love the idea of a host of hovering nuns!
I'll be volunteering in the usual worship venue, (not sure what we're calling ourselves this year) and if time at the Franciscan TSSF stall.
Wee bit unsure about some of the practicalities of being at the new site, though it does look a lovely place.
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