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Baptist Trainfan
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As I've said upthread, I'm a Nonconformist who likes to follow the Church Year although rather less rigorously than others on this thread.
Now, Jade told us that "the vicar had been on holiday and was celebrating something else on Thursday" but didn't tell us what that "something else" was, and indeed may not have known.
Since then we have been very critical of this poor person who, in the face of it, does seem to have been a bit remiss in their duties, at least within the Anglican tradition if not mine (we don't usually have Ascension Day services).
But none of us here is actually in full possession of the facts - so perhaps said person was tied up with something that they quite genuinely could not get out of. Can't we at least give them the benefit of the doubt?
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Since the 8th of June is Pentecost Sunday this year, it is best not to move Ascension to that Sunday. Some Lutherans may use 1 June for Ascension, but I think the majority will just skip it.
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Olaf
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Originally posted by Albertus:
Yup. Put Christmas Day on a Sunday too, why don't you? ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Or better still, just roll up everything onto four or five Sundays a year, all conveniently chosen not to coincide with school and public holidays, likely sunny weather, major sporting events, and so on- then nobody, clergy or laity, has to be arsed to do anything very much...
Heh...I've long given up expecting clergy to do their job.
I searched the Lutheran and Episcopal churches in a 50-mile area to find an Ascension Day (Thursday) liturgy. How many did I find? Two, both Episcopal. One was a low mass, and the other a pontifical high mass that was a bit too far and a bit too late for me to travel on a work night. Face facts, we've lost.
(My denom's calendar already allows transferral to 7 Easter, which is always the Sunday after Ascension, and should take the Ascension preface even if observed as 7 Easter anyway.)
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Gee D - Starting by defending my actions, or lack of, my other commitments involved family. Our cathedral is forty minutes away by rail with two trains per hour, close together. So a trip into the city for a short communion service would become a mid-morning start, lunch afterwards and return mid-afternoon.
Although there are four Anglican churches here, there are at present only two incumbents. They certainly "earn their keep" with the amount of work they do, not only in the parishes but in other roles in the diocese. However, the fact that, the vicar being away, no arrangements were made to cover the Ascension Day service is something I feel was very remiss.
Lucky you to have a train service to the cathedral city with only 40 minutes to travel. Had I not been out of Sydney to work, the nearest cathedral city to have offered a service would have been a 2 hours plus train trip from home (90 minutes by car), with a change necessary. AS it was, I was able to attend a 6pm service not far from where I was staying.
What I was saying is that you gave priority to your commitments but expected others to give up their commitments to provide a service at a time suitable to you. As congregations shrink over the next decade, there will be fewer and fewer local parishes. The consequence will be that we may well have to travel a bit further to find any service at all, even on Sunday.
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Celebrated Ascension today!
And sang " And didst thou love the race that loved not thee...."
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
As I've said upthread, I'm a Nonconformist who likes to follow the Church Year although rather less rigorously than others on this thread.
Now, Jade told us that "the vicar had been on holiday and was celebrating something else on Thursday" but didn't tell us what that "something else" was, and indeed may not have known.
Since then we have been very critical of this poor person who, in the face of it, does seem to have been a bit remiss in their duties, at least within the Anglican tradition if not mine (we don't usually have Ascension Day services).
But none of us here is actually in full possession of the facts - so perhaps said person was tied up with something that they quite genuinely could not get out of. Can't we at least give them the benefit of the doubt?
I think I'd be inclined to agree with most of this - we've no idea of the circumstances and I don't particularly want to rush to judgment - there could be all sorts of reasons
Having said that, there does seem something not quite right about a place with four Anglican churches not having one celebration on an important day - and it would have to be in the evening as Ascension Day is not a public holiday in the UK and people work during the day. I'm not in favour of complaining to the hierarchy at the least thing, but there is a reason for a hierarchy, that of oversight, which did not seem to be working terribly well on this particular occasion
In our benefice for instance we have three different churches not too far away from each other but one celebration, and this seems reasonable particularly when you have two clergy to cover three churches. We normally have a lunchtime daily Eucharist but this was cancelled in order to encourage people to attend the evening one
Which leads me on to another point......It strikes me that we're not terribly good at publicity. I think it's not enough these days just to publicise the service in the weekly pewsheet and/or parish magazine......it needs to be pushed more verbally I think - not in the sense of threatening hell-fire and damnation but more in the way of making a point in the announcements.There are probably all sorts of other things people can think of too. It could be argued this is spoon-feeding but I think this is the way of the world we live in unfortunately. I belong to a couple of organisations - not church ones - so perhaps this is a bit more obvious to me than it otherwise be
Just some thoughts......
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Oh that's excellent - about double ours I think.
Did you have cheese and biscuits and wine afterwards?
Ate all the wrong things...... ![[Devil]](graemlins/devil.gif)
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I don't put transferring festivals/not doing them at all solely to clergy. The "hardly anyone will turn up" mindset is dominant among laity as well, including many on PCCs I have known, who in fact are saying that they won't turn up. Generally I believe that the Divine Litury if offered for God, not ourselves as such, and that if we believe enough in it others will follow. (Saying that, the Orthodox church here have no alternative than not to do all services on Sundays; the attendance for Holy Friday Vespers was very low)
I went to the 6pm Mass at my local RC church. That the epistle was from Ephesians got my suspicions high, and that the Gospel was from John confirmed that the festival had indeed been transferred. I decided the stay. The priest did his sermon on "problems that Poland face", which included abortion, and that "90% of Russian woman in Warsaw don't speak Polish".
The Pascal Candle wasn't lit.
Generally, it was nice that there was a Mass taking place and that people were there and everything, but it was a bit haphazard. Still, at the end, we went on our knees before the Blessed Sacrament and sung a long hymn to the Mother of God (well, that and 282 of her other titles), complete with an Agnus Dei.
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Oh that reminds me - the Paschal candle was lit. It was lit today as well so presumably it'll stay until Pentecost. I couldn't quite remember what we did......
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Happy to report: that our TEC parish had a morning low mass and an evening high mass on Ascension DAY, with respectable (if not overflowing) attendance in the evening. Refreshments to follow were announced, but did not appear. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
UNhappy to report: that based on web-sites and newspaper ads, we were the only TEC parish in the city to provide a celebration of the feast.
(We had Easter 7, AKA Sunday after Ascension, today. So we got to sing all the Ascension hymns we couldn't work in on Thursday night. ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
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Originally posted by Olaf:
Heh...I've long given up expecting clergy to do their job.
I've never made a hell call, but this steers me close. I think I'll have a cup of coffee instead.
My pastor did come through for us today, and we had Easter 7 with Ascension undertones.
I'm sorry, Zappa. I know many great ordained men and women. It is frustrating on the part of the non-ordained on occasions like this. If you want to offer a 20-minute Mass on Ascension, you can. I can't.
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Reporting in late to say that we celebrated the Ascension last Thursday evening at the high altar with a congregation gathered from all the villages of Summerisle, most of the chapel folk, the URC minister (who preached a very decent sermon), a lot of hymns, and a young lady playing a bit of Mozart on the flute during communion. A quick flip through the register, and I saw that the congregation was bigger by 10 than last year's.
Most of the same hymns appeared yesterday when we had the propers for the Sunday after Ascension--though it being the first Sunday of the month there was piano and guitars at one of the churches and so we also sang 'Highway to Heaven' and 'Steal Away.'
The Paschal candle was lit.
When Crown Him With Many Crowns appeared again on the Evensong menu I put my foot down.
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My pastor did come through for us today, and we had Easter 7 with Ascension undertones.
I noted in the readings for yesterday (the Seventh Sunday of Easter) that the first reading was the Ascension story, again. I can't remember if this is normal. The RCL had us reading Jesus' dialogue in John about the sending of the Paraclete before Ascension.
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The Ascension story from Acts was the compulsory 1st or 2nd reading; the Gospel, however, was John 17 yesterday, whereas on Thursday it was from Luke.
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Originally posted by Zappa:
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Originally posted by Olaf:
Heh...I've long given up expecting clergy to do their job.
I've never made a hell call, but this steers me close. I think I'll have a cup of coffee instead.
I try to avoid Hell so I'll say it here:
For some, this is stating 'the bleedin' obvious' but many denizens of Ecclesiantics are living in the past.
When I was confirmed, we were told to go to the Eucharist every Sunday and 'Holy Day of Obligation'. Even the evangelical church in my home town observed every 'red letter day' with an 11am Holy Communion.
Then came the 1960s where all rules were suspect.
The 1970s and 80s where more divorces led to fathers only having access to their children on a Sunday.
Sunday sport and Sunday shopping in the 90s and beyond.
These days, lots only come to church on alternate Sundays.
Weekday festivals don't get much of a look in - lots of people are working lots of overtime, often in fear of losing their jobs in today's economic situation.
And, let's face it, many don't believe in the ascension anyway.
Our cluster of 7 churches had an evening Eucharist which was sparsely attended. Of the two churches I know best, there was nobody from one church and only two from the other.
Carys, above, mentioned a deanery service with 70 people. There are about 21 churches in that deanery so that equals roughly 3 from each church.
If the average age of a C of E churchgoer is 62 - which is my age, then today's clergy are ministering to an increasingly elderly population with old-fashioned expectations.
Meanwhile, the clergy might be much younger, probably running two or three churches. Their spouses have a full-time job with overtime so they have children to put to bed after supervising their homework, bedtime stories etc.
Are we to expect them to add to the strains in their marriage by taking a service to which very few will come?
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Brutally, yes, because that's what they signed up to do. I mean, quite a lot of Sunday services don't have many people there either. Why not knock those on the head too? And then visiting- well, that's only reaching one or two people at a time, isn't it, so that's obviously not a good use of their time. And they can't be expected to be able to deal with all the church and building admin because that's not their primary skillset, so find someone in the parish/ diocesan office who can. Then the clergy can spend all their time, um, attending to their family lives. ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
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I might remind you that this thread is about Ascension Day. Discussion of whether such services are held and why or why not can be seen as within its remit but the more general question of how the clergy spend their time would require a thread of its own.
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We had a non-Eucharistic service of praise and prayer to mark the beginning of 10 unbroken days of prayer (24 hours per day) between Ascension and Pentecost.
Careful! That's very close to a Novena!
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Actually Matt I've sometimes heard it said that this is how novenas were developed - with reference to the nine days of prayer for the Holy Spirit. Not sure if it is true or not but it does fit very neatly!
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Zappa:
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Heh...I've long given up expecting clergy to do their job.
I've never made a hell call, but this steers me close. I think I'll have a cup of coffee instead.
I try to avoid Hell so I'll say it here:
For some, this is stating 'the bleedin' obvious' but many denizens of Ecclesiantics are living in the past.
They're certainly living in a reality I don't recognise, where it actually matters ao much that the clergy should be run ragged if the Ascension is celebrated in the church a few days later. It's like quibbling on a Ł300 restaurant bill for a massive group of people who had the spiced poppadum and who had the plain one costing 10p less...
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They're certainly living in a reality I don't recognise, where it actually matters ao much that the clergy should be run ragged if the Ascension is celebrated in the church a few days later.
Hang on - if we're talking about holding mid-week Eucharists for major feasts such as Ascension, there simply aren't that many. "Run ragged" simply cannot be a reasonable description of the difference caused by a couple of extra midweek services a year.
It also seems like everyone is agreeing that all clergy would dearly love to celebrate Ascension on the Thursday if 50 people were going to show up.
The actual question, it seems to me, is what should be done in the (rather common) case that the congregation for an Ascension service on Thursday evening would be two pious old ladies and the rectory cat. Some people would argue that the priest should offer the service anyway. Others argue that running a service for two people is silly.
But talk of "run ragged" in this context misses the point, I think. A priest who is "run ragged" by being asked to offer one additional service every blue moon is run ragged anyway, with or without that final straw.
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I refer you back to leo's post, which explains the potential problem with midweek services.
I just can't get into the mindset of caring that much about it being Sunday instead of Thursday. Don't folk have more pressing issues to get excited about?
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I refer you back to leo's post, which explains the potential problem with midweek services.
Yes, I know. My post says that probably two people would turn up. I agree with leo that, these days, most people will not come to a midweek service (and if people don't turn out for midweek services in Holy Week, they're never going to turn out for Ascension.)
But you're making the assumption that we shouldn't bother with sparsely-attended services, and as we see from the discussion on this thread, that assumption is not universally held.
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No, I'm more saying that it's not worth getting ones knickers in a twist if ones parish priest decides it's not worth the bother for whatever reaaon.
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The Thursday evening Ascension Day service here is followed by the Team AGM in the church. The church is part of a Team and this allows the Team AGM follow on from the Annual Parish Council Meetings of the individual churches as they all have to happen in April. It makes for a three line whip on the attendance on all the Team Committees, incoming and outgoing, which are a mixture of laity and clergy. I have no idea what the attendance was like this year because I was in Scotland, but it's usually around 30-40, no choir although choir members attend, sermon and communion service.
But this is a church that has evening services on Monday to Thursday of Holy Week and a 2pm service on Good Friday, the other team churches usually only have Good Friday services.
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Ascension Day (along with the Epiphany, if it should fall on a weekday) seems to me to be a Good Opportunity to get a group of local parishes together for a joint service. It may take a bit of organising/three-line-whipping, but worth it, nevertheless, if it gets a few people out of their usual pews/churches, and worshipping together, no?
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Zappa:
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Originally posted by Olaf:
Heh...I've long given up expecting clergy to do their job.
I've never made a hell call, but this steers me close. I think I'll have a cup of coffee instead.
I try to avoid Hell so I'll say it here:
For some, this is stating 'the bleedin' obvious' but many denizens of Ecclesiantics are living in the past.
Eh, but so what?
The Mass is still the Mass. If only one person shows up, it is still worth doing.
If clergy are in the church, they can certainly manage to take 25 minutes twice a day out of their schedule of meetings or whatever they're doing to say the Office. In the church.
They're priests, damn it.
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I was at a cathedral church in the Grim North upon Ascension Day where the service was celebrated with great aplomb (started later than was advertised, but hey-ho) with a very healthy congregation and possibly more incense than I have ever experienced in my life. Ever. Good hymns, too.
There had been a conference in the cathedral during the day which no doubt swelled the numbers (possibly somewhat unused to the smells) but the "quire congregation" which I took to be regulars were not insubstantial. For England. For a Thursday.
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Originally posted by Fr Weber:
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Zappa:
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Originally posted by Olaf:
Heh...I've long given up expecting clergy to do their job.
I've never made a hell call, but this steers me close. I think I'll have a cup of coffee instead.
I try to avoid Hell so I'll say it here:
For some, this is stating 'the bleedin' obvious' but many denizens of Ecclesiantics are living in the past.
Eh, but so what?
The Mass is still the Mass. If only one person shows up, it is still worth doing.
If clergy are in the church, they can certainly manage to take 25 minutes twice a day out of their schedule of meetings or whatever they're doing to say the Office. In the church.
They're priests, damn it.
The office, yes. But under Anglican rubrics they cannot say Mass without at least one other person present.
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The office, yes. But under Anglican rubrics they cannot say Mass without at least one other person present.
Sure. Which is why I said, when referring to Mass, "if only one person shows up." ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Ascension Day was very popular with the younger, fitter members of the church when I was a child, because they got to climb up to the top of the church tower and out onto the roof, to sing. I guess health and safety would have a fit these days.
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Ascension Day was very popular with the younger, fitter members of the church when I was a child, because they got to climb up to the top of the church tower and out onto the roof, to sing. I guess health and safety would have a fit these days.
At a camp for primary children a pulley system was used to hoist a child up to the roof (no ceiling) of the building. Said child, dressed as Jesus, was actually wrapped in a sheet which became entangled in the pulleys and ropes halfway up. He remained dangling there while a ladder long enough to reach him was found
Definitely not H&S friendly these days.
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Ascension Day was very popular with the younger, fitter members of the church when I was a child, because they got to climb up to the top of the church tower and out onto the roof, to sing.
... and then dropping their teddies down by Parachute?
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Snigger, I used to run the pram service on a Thursday, and used a helium balloon to ascend Jesus into the roof of the church on Ascension Day. One time I was distracted when tying the balloon to a table leg before running the crafty bit of the session and one of the toddlers released it. So we had several weeks of a balloon sitting in the roof before it deflated and descended. I did rather hope it would descend for Pentecost, but it lasted a bit longer than that. Long enough for one of the church wardens to get itchy fingers with an air gun to help it on its way down. He had to be dissuaded from doing so regularly as it would have damaged the roof too badly.
Unfortunately, all I did was giggle when I saw it for the weeks it remained aloft. And I got banned from doing it again (not that it stopped me, I just made sure I wasn't distracted at the wrong moment the next time).
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I spoke upthread of our vicar's more pressing engagement than Ascension Day service. It was his/her birthday - shhh. don't tell!
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Besides not celebrating the Ascension, that church, which is the leading church of the town, did not celebrate Pentecost last Sunday. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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GCabot
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Originally posted by Jude:
Besides not celebrating the Ascension, that church, which is the leading church of the town, did not celebrate Pentecost last Sunday.
Okay, I am at a loss. Even the non-denominational, evangelical church that I was raised in had a special observation for Pentecost.
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Albertus
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Originally posted by Jude:
Besides not celebrating the Ascension, that church, which is the leading church of the town, did not celebrate Pentecost last Sunday.
In that case, and bearing in mind that the Vicar put his birthday ahead of Ascension Day, sod all that eirenic stuff upthread about raising the matter tactfully and sensitively with him. This is an office holder failing to carry out the basic duties which might be reasonably expected of him. As (I think) l'organist suggested, a sharp letter to the Archdeacon, copied to the Bishop, is called for.
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We have a long-standing principle in Ecclesiantics that we do not use this board to discuss the internal affairs of particular parishes. By all means discuss the general provision of worship on Ascension Day (or even by extension other holy days) but it is not appropriate for us to be conducting some sort of investigation into the liturgical practice of Jude's vicar or his/her parish.
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Thanks, seasick, received and understood, although something in this line was raised earlier and IIRC went unchallenged- hence my thinking it was OK.
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There's always a hostly judgement to make about whether we let something go or whether we call it. We let it go the first time but now it's resurfaced it gets called.
You should also be aware that any comments on host posts ought to be done in the Styx not on the thread in question.
As you were.
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Not commenting on your hosting at all, Seasick. Absolutely take your point about judgements to be made.
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