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Enoch
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Cosmic Dance, yes, "vulnerable" used as a desirable attribute is Revspeak. It goes with 'finding one's inner child'. And, yes, Cottontail, in Revspeak give (verb) and gift (noun) have developed peculiar permutations, none of which extend the use of English in any valuable way. "Let us give thanks for X who has gifted the church with a lawn-mower'.
Perhaps some of us need a 'gifting of missional vulnerability' - or is that 'vulnerable missionality' - or is there any difference?
On sitting down, there's always the slightly jocular phrase, 'take a pew'. Pews only exist where Revspeak is spoken.
An extra query. Is there something significant about 1st May 1963? It's well within my lifetime but I can't remember anything particular happening that day. The most well known date that year was 22nd November.
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Originally posted by Enoch:
Is there something significant about 1st May 1963?
Sexual intercourse began
In nineteen sixty three
(Which was rather late for me)
Philip Larkin
(The 1st May arises out of the context of the thread.)
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Originally posted by Dafyd:
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Originally posted by Enoch:
Is there something significant about 1st May 1963?
Sexual intercourse began
In nineteen sixty three
(Which was rather late for me)
Philip Larkin
(The 1st May arises out of the context of the thread.)
Thank you for that. My brain must be slowing down. I was fixated on the assumption that it must be something specific about the day. I didn't think of the year.
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This thread holds a sick fascination. I spot two I use a lot. Context is Key (another great one).
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Is anyone designing a revspeak bingo card to use tomorrow?
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
This thread holds a sick fascination. I spot two I use a lot. Context is Key (another great one).
Pyx_e, are you prepared to admit which ones?!! As a matter of interest, are you or anyone else prepared to stick their head over the parapet and defend any of these expressions?
Chocaholic, what a lovely idea.
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'Commingling' goes back to John Milton; in Paradise Lost the angels enjoy 'a sweet commingling'. Philip Pullman's angels in 'His Dark Materials' probably do it quite a lot.
And how about 'Hold before God' meaning 'Pray for'?
For sitting down and standing up, my Vicar uses 'If you would stand/sit . . .' Oh, and I mustn't forget 'We will now sing together Hymn . . . ' as opposed presumably to singing a verse each.
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Originally posted by Enoch:
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
This thread holds a sick fascination. I spot two I use a lot. Context is Key (another great one).
Pyx_e, are you prepared to admit which ones?!! As a matter of interest, are you or anyone else prepared to stick their head over the parapet and defend any of these expressions?
Chocaholic, what a lovely idea.
Not defending them, or not all of them, but I find the directions to sit, stand, sing, say together, etc very helpful, both as congregation member and when leading. Especially when there are people present who aren't familiar with things. It is very embarrassing for people to be left sitting or standing when others aren't. Especially if they are at the front. Even worse if you start singing and it's just the choir.
I have always felt much more comfortable with clear directions, thinking it is a courtesy.
But you can't just say "sit", "stand", or whatever. What form of words is acceptable? Any suggestions?
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Originally posted by Angloid:
Anyway, it leads to a different (and Ecclesiantical) tangent: why so many pointless stage directions in the middle of a service?
Because some people get really pissy when they're left standing looking round them, and all the 'in-crowd' have sat down. Visitors really hate that - and in churches where there is a bit of a variety of worship-leader - and practice therefore varies - even regulars dislike being put on the back-foot by unusual and badly signposted congregational choreography.
It is also a fact that there will always be a small core of even the most regular attender who will never remember from one week's end to the next to sit/stand/leave at the appropriate point unless someone tells him/her to. Including, sadly, the odd cleric who manages to make even the most routine act of liturgy look like something he's never seen in his life before, rather than something he's been performing professionaly for the last fifteen years.
Small, exclusively attended acts of worship tend not to need prompts, fair enough. But sometimes it's just plain friendly and practical to indicate when certain physical things observed by everyone, need to happen at certain times of the service. Though some services really ought to flow without interruption if possible.
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Originally posted by leo:
One that was beloved in free churches was about 'the stewards will now wait upon your offerings'. ...
Yes, that's a gem. Do they get a tip for collecting it?. As is referring to part of the collection, usually the bit that isn't in envelopes, as the 'freewill offering'. What's the rest, pew-rent?
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"An offering will be received" is similar. Why not "A collection will be taken up."
Reminds me of the old joke about the altar boy named Dominic, who thought that the priest, whenever he said "Dominus vobiscum" was actually saying "Dominic, go frisk 'em", and so he took up the collection.
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Originally posted by leo:
One that was beloved in free churches was about 'the stewards will now wait upon your offerings'.
Nope it is not. It is only Methodists who'd use that the rest of us do not have stewards.
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Originally posted by leo:
One that was beloved in free churches was about 'the stewards will now wait upon your offerings'.
And I love it when their service sheets announce 'the benediction' - it's not how I use the term.
I remember that from growing up. My standard phrase, which I also grew up with, is "We will receive your offerings for the work of God in this Church and Circuit."
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Hang on, I thought that the offering had to be "uplifted". But perhaps that is only true in congregations where the Minister says, "Let us now be upstanding and singing the hymn no. 123 ...".
Has anyone had "journeying mercies" prayed upon them? - although I don't think that is necessarily Revspeak.
Of course, visiting preachers find it "a joy and a privilege to be here this morning". (Or, if they don't, they don't let on). However it is Church Secretaries who say that "it is good to have new faces worshipping with us today, and we look forward to shaking hands with them afterwards".
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
Has anyone had "journeying mercies" prayed upon them? - although I don't think that is necessarily Revspeak.
Travelling mercies. (Which I always visualised as a sort of wheeled box).
Also, no one was ever merely ill - they were laid aside on beds of sickness.
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This is wonderfully reminiscent of Myles nagCopaleen's great Catechism of Cliche (Google will find you various extracts).
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
... Has anyone had "journeying mercies" prayed upon them? - although I don't think that is necessarily Revspeak.,,,,
Does it meet any of the following tests from the OP?
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it is incomprehensible to ordinary people. ... And it's very beneficial if the words are befuddling but give you a nice gooey holy feeling as they come out of your mouth.
But Revspeak is particularly good if it can take ordinary words and use them in ways that don't fit with how ordinary people use them and don't make sense to them.
It's Revspeak all right.
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I remember reading somewhere of a minister who realised he'd swallowed some kind of Revspeak dictionary when someone asked him which bus to take for a particular destination.
Bus number two hundred and sixty-seven, he replied. The two hundred and sixty-seventh bus. (Pause) Two. Six. Seven.
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Originally posted by Enoch:
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
This thread holds a sick fascination. I spot two I use a lot. Context is Key (another great one).
Pyx_e, are you prepared to admit which ones?!! As a matter of interest, are you or anyone else prepared to stick their head over the parapet and defend any of these expressions?
"Cosmic dance." is the one I will admit to. Not always using the cosmic word but certainly my sermons are littered with dance analogies. For me the music/dance analogy works to describe Kingdom Grace.
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I don't let on it's a possible Nietzsche quote.
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Originally posted by Firenze:
Also, no one was ever merely ill - they were laid aside on beds of sickness.
They were also "under the doctor"!
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Originally posted by Offeiriad:
... Bus number two hundred and sixty-seven, he replied. The two hundred and sixty-seventh bus. (Pause) Two. Six. Seven.
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That reminds me of D's favourite piece of cricket commentary (I'm paraphrasing, as I can't find the exact quotation):
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And England are on 106 - that's There is a green hill far away.
(in the English Hymnal). ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
... Has anyone had "journeying mercies" prayed upon them? - although I don't think that is necessarily Revspeak.,,,,
I'll own to praying that, although not in public in English.
To my mind, it encompasses a lot more than a St Christopher's medal. It doesn't try and blackmail God into getting you there on time or unscathed, just asks for mercy in whatever happens.
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
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Originally posted by Firenze:
Also, no one was ever merely ill - they were laid aside on beds of sickness.
They were also "under the doctor"!
As a slight tangent, non-Rev French speakers from Breton-speaking regions have, under the influence of the latter language, been known to explain in the vernacular that their spouse is confined to bed on medical advice as follows: ma femme est au lit avec le médecin - "my wife is in bed with the doctor".
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
... Has anyone had "journeying mercies" prayed upon them? - although I don't think that is necessarily Revspeak.,,,,
I'll own to praying that, although not in public in English.
To my mind, it encompasses a lot more than a St Christopher's medal. It doesn't try and blackmail God into getting you there on time or unscathed, just asks for mercy in whatever happens.
...which reminds me of an anecdote about St. Teresa of Avila. She and a young nun were traveling to start a new convent. Their coach went off a bridge and into a river. The driver was killed. I think the young nun survived. Teresa yelled at God, "if this is the way You treat Your friends, no wonder You have so few!!!"
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
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Originally posted by Enoch:
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
This thread holds a sick fascination. I spot two I use a lot. Context is Key (another great one).
Pyx_e, are you prepared to admit which ones?!! As a matter of interest, are you or anyone else prepared to stick their head over the parapet and defend any of these expressions?
"Cosmic dance." is the one I will admit to. Not always using the cosmic word but certainly my sermons are littered with dance analogies. For me the music/dance analogy works to describe Kingdom Grace.
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I don't let on it's a possible Nietzsche quote.
My name litters your sermons? I am deeply honoured Pyx-e. When can we meet?
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
.... They were also "under the doctor"!
As a slight tangent, non-Rev French speakers from Breton-speaking regions have, under the influence of the latter language, been known to explain in the vernacular that their spouse is confined to bed on medical advice as follows: ma femme est au lit avec le médecin - "my wife is in bed with the doctor".
Tangent alert
Curious. To me 'under the doctor' is a Wenglish classic. If there's a related idiom in Breton French, perhaps they are both translations of something in Welsh/Breton.
End of Tangent
There are some wonderful examples coming out. Keep up the good work.
I don't think, by the way, that Cosmic Dance is automatically Revspeak as it is genuinely trying to get across an idea that is quite difficult to communicate. However, it is an expression that can tempt one into Revspeak.
Might one of the reasons why Revspeak is such a temptation be that communicating what is partly incommunicable is quite difficult. It becomes a convenient cop-out to use words in stead that are 'befuddling but give you a nice gooey holy feeling as they come out of your mouth'? Once one thinks one has got away with it for the stuff that is incommunicable, it becomes a drug to get one through every occasion.
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The friendly doctors are common in Ulster as well. As is 'She's in bed with her leg' (or whatever bodily part is afflicted).
Meanwhile, I remember one didn't have relatives and children, but 'loved ones and little ones'.
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Can it really be that no-one has come up with 'mission-shaped diocese'?
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I do feel that this thread is aimed at me personally... ![[Paranoid]](graemlins/paranoid.gif)
However, as both a Rev and a civil servant, it may just be possible that I have on occasion and when faced with a situation of perhaps less than optimal confidence been heard by those of especially precise auditory skills to have used one or two of the above-mentioned circumlocutions in preference to a more precise and one might say straightforward comment that might be thought to lead more quickly to a full and total comprehension of the situation pertaining at that moment in time.
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
As a slight tangent, non-Rev French speakers from Breton-speaking regions
Is that Revspeak for 'Brittany'? (I'll include Loire-Atlantique for these purposes!)
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Originally posted by Rev per Minute:
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
As a slight tangent, non-Rev French speakers from Breton-speaking regions
Is that Revspeak for 'Brittany'? (I'll include Loire-Atlantique for these purposes!)
No ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
And that Breton on the map is by no means uniform. But we'd better stop that tangent fast ("draw it to a close"? will there be an "aftermath"?)
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Originally posted by Firenze:
Meanwhile, I remember one didn't have relatives and children, but 'loved ones and little ones'.
"loved ones" has escaped from RevSpeak into JournoSpeak and PoliticoSpeak. People no longer have relatives or families, they have "loved ones".
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Have shipmates noticed that 'loved ones' are almost always either dead or somewhere else? The phrase is also uttered in a slightly reverential voice. Family that are present are very rarely, if ever, 'loved ones'.
People who aren't here at Christmas are 'loved ones'. People you actually spend Christmas aren't unless you yourself are telling people you are about to travel a long way to see them.
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Nauseating expression which to me invariably brings to mind Evelyn Waugh's 'Whispering Glades'.
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Originally posted by Rev per Minute:
... However, as both a Rev and a civil servant, it may just be possible that I have on occasion and when faced with a situation of perhaps less than optimal confidence been heard by those of especially precise auditory skills to have used one or two of the above-mentioned circumlocutions in preference to a more precise and one might say straightforward comment that might be thought to lead more quickly to a full and total comprehension of the situation pertaining at that moment in time ...
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Cosmic, you have no need of me when you know the Prophet. "No method, no teacher, no guru..."
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"Radical welcome" which is Revspeak for "Open Table" which is Revspeak for "communion for the unbaptized..." (which is part of our Diversity) (which is part of being a mission-shaped community).
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"Radical welcome" which is Revspeak for "Open Table" which is Revspeak for "communion for the unbaptized..." (which is part of our Diversity) (which is part of being a mission-shaped community).
"Radical welcome" - I've not met that one before. As Revspeak, it's definitely got potential.
What is more, if it's being used for 'open table', that definitely meets the test in the OP,
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It's particularly useful if its native speakers can mean different things by the same word, but not admit it to each other.
'Open table' usually means 'we admit to communion people who are Christians but not pukka members of our own ecclesial community'. I've not heard it being used to mean specifically "communion for the unbaptized...".
I reckon 'radical welcome' meets the other tests in the OP. It takes ordinary words and use them in ways that don't fit with how ordinary people use them, and wouldn't guess. It also gives the speaker a nice gooey holy feeling as they come out of his or her mouth.
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For some time now British Methodist preachers have used the phrase 'young people' when meaning 'children', often when referring to the youngsters in Sunday School. I remember one minister correcting himself mid-sentence, which made it pretty clear what was going on.
The problem, though, is that for Methodists, 'young people' can also refer to people up to their late forties, so discussions can sometimes give the impression that five year olds and forty-five year olds are more or less in the same exotic category, ('We must do something for the young people') with older people somehow representing the normative voice of the church. It can feel somewhat patronising.
On a related note, I dislike the phrase 'young people are the future of the church' (which I last heard in a church sketch just a few weeks ago). It implies that 'young people' will be important, but not just yet....
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Originally posted by Enoch:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Weatherwax:
[qb] Open table' usually means 'we admit to communion people who are Christians but not pukka members of our own ecclesial community'. I've not heard it being used to mean specifically "communion for the unbaptized...".
If it doesn't mean it explicitly it usually means it functionally. Logistically, once you have open communion for "all followers of Christ" it gets pretty awkward to address baptism as a condition, even when your polity suggests (as ours does) that communion be limited to baptized Christians-- so most of us don't, at least in my tradition.
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I may have been dozing off at the presbytery meeting last night and missed the lead-in, but was jolted back by the phrase 'missional discernment' from someone presenting a report. Still no idea what he was talking about.
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Enoch
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I'd be prepared to stick my neck out and say that any phrase that includes the word 'missional' is going to turn out to be Revspeak.
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Are you Sir Humphrey Appleby IRL? [/QB]
You may think that: I couldn't possibly comment...
A new one to me is 'focal ministry' leading, inexorably, to 'focal ministers'. I think that they are meant to provide a focus for different communities - local focal ministers, anyone? - but to me sounds like they need to visit the optician, and soon. Given that we are creating Ministry Areas and Ministry Area Leaders, the last thing we want is more new language to describe clerics. They will still be called 'Vicar' or 'Rev', whether ordained or not, by most people anyway.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Rev per Minute:
A new one to me is 'focal ministry' leading, inexorably, to 'focal ministers'. I think that they are meant to provide a focus for different communities - local focal ministers, anyone? - but to me sounds like they need to visit the optician, and soon. Given that we are creating Ministry Areas and Ministry Area Leaders, the last thing we want is more new language to describe clerics. They will still be called 'Vicar' or 'Rev', whether ordained or not, by most people anyway.
I suppose a minister from the agricultural working class appointed to a parish near his home would be a local yokel focal minister. He could use his voice a lot too ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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And if this was in Southern California and the minister was trying to lose weight, s/he could be a SoCal lo-cal local yokel focal vocal minister...
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
Isuppose a minister from the agricultural working class appointed to a parish near his home would be a local yokel focal minister. He could use his voice a lot too
Birthplace San Diego, so a vocal local yokel focal minister from SoCal.
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If one wants to mix Revspeak with a buzzword equivalent from another spheres of activity, does a 'focal minister' need a 'focus group'? If so, is the focus group the whole congregation, the PCC or a select group the focal minister has chosen because they think like him/her.
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