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Enoch
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Now Christmas is over. We're moving into Epiphany, the manifestation of Christ to the Gentiles.
We've all heard of George Orwell's Newspeak. Have you met Revspeak? Revspeak is language that only Revs use.
Revspeak is a language that it is incomprehensible to ordinary people. Obviously there is the technical stuff that is Revspeak, words like 'justification', 'sacrament', 'ferial' and 'Epiphany'. It's particularly useful if its native speakers can mean different things by the same word, but not admit it to each other - 'sacrament' is a good word for that. And it's very beneficial if the words are befuddling but give you a nice gooey holy feeling as they come out of your mouth.
But Revspeak is particularly good if it can take ordinary words and use them in ways that don't fit with how ordinary people use them and don't make sense to them.
Here's three bits of Revspeak:-
1. 'Church' with no article as in 'a new way of doing church'.
2. 'Intentional' as in 'St Saviours aspires to be an intentional community'.
3. And a particular favourite of Common Worship, 'offer', as in 'Intercessions are offered'.
I don't know what those phrases convey. Do you?
What do Shipmates think? For their users, I'm sure the words carry that gooey holy feeling. Do they mark the users as 'one of us'?
And what other examples can you give of Revspeak?
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Leorning Cniht
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Originally posted by Enoch:
2. 'Intentional' as in 'St Saviours aspires to be an intentional community'.
Is that anything like "conscious uncoupling"?
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Over in Purgatory: If the leadership has a heart for discipleship, prayer and mission...
Any Revs out there care to translate?
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Enoch
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Originally posted by Signaller:
Over in Purgatory:
If the leadership has a heart for discipleship, prayer and mission...
That's definitely Revspeak. 'Have a heart for' works like a switch. It throws both a sentence and a person's tongue into Revspeak.
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Angel Wrestler
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Originally posted by Signaller:
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Over in Purgatory: If the leadership has a heart for discipleship, prayer and mission...
Any Revs out there care to translate?
If the board members/vestry/Presbytery have a passion to encourage practices that enhance and deepen their own and other church members' relationship with God, if they have a passion and commitment to pray and if they have a passion and commitment to help people in need...
"worshipping" - v - the act of devoting oneself to a deity
"worshipping" in some revspeak - v - a means of counting worship attendees - as in, "we're worshipping 150 every Sunday morning" (let it be known that I very much dislike this use of the word)
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Piglet
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Originally posted by Angel Wrestler:
... "we're worshipping 150 every Sunday morning" ...
Worshipping 150 what, exactly?
I'd never heard that particular mangling of the language before, and now I'm going to need some brain-bleach to try and un-hear it ... ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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Golden Key
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Well, Disc World has millions of gods. Maybe people are hedging their bets by worshipping a different set of 150 each Sunday?
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Enoch
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Originally posted by Piglet:
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Originally posted by Angel Wrestler:
... "we're worshipping 150 every Sunday morning" ...
Worshipping 150 what, exactly?
I'd never heard that particular mangling of the language before, and now I'm going to need some brain-bleach to try and un-hear it ...
No. I haven't. And I agree.
Anyway, here are four more:-
'Worship leader' - in Revspeak that sometimes doesn't mean the Rev in robes at the front but the person leading the music - in Revspeak 'praise band'.
X was 'raised to the episcopate'. At least it's not too difficult to work out what that means. Nevertheless, anyone who isn't fluent in Revspeak says 'made a bishop'. Non-Revspeak speakers don't say that Y was 'raised to the managing directorate'.
'Let us pray for our dear brother/sister Y who is struggling with the demon of drink/lust/anger/insecurity addiction'. Apart from being a Revspeak way of gossiping and sounding pious at the same time, blaming it on a supernatural cause lets Y and the rest of us off the hook.
'Prophetic'. An ordinary person who knows a bit about the Bible probably thinks this means either foretelling the future or having supernatural insights from God. You need at least a smattering of Revspeak to realise that it's just as likely to mean 'preaches left-wing sermons with a very loud voice'.
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Baptist Trainfan
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Originally posted by Enoch:
'Prophetic'. An ordinary person who knows a bit about the Bible probably thinks this means either foretelling the future or having supernatural insights from God. You need at least a smattering of Revspeak to realise that it's just as likely to mean 'preaches left-wing sermons with a very loud voice'.
To some folk that might not be "prophetic" at all but "unduly political" or even "heretical"!
Mind you it sounds a bit like "Yes, Minister's" usages of "brave" and "courageous".
PS Thinking of the "worshipping 150" - when did people coming to church become "attendees" rather than "attenders"? Surely an "attendee" is someone who is attended upon, such as a hospital patient of a restaurant diner?
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The Midge
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'Deeper Church' is our latest buzz phrase. Maybe we are trying to fathom the bottom of the baptism pool?
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Piglet
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Originally posted by The Midge:
'Deeper Church' is our latest buzz phrase.
Have you started holding your services in the crypt?
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Sioni Sais
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quote:
Originally posted by Piglet:
quote:
Originally posted by Angel Wrestler:
... "we're worshipping 150 every Sunday morning" ...
Worshipping 150 what, exactly?
I'd never heard that particular mangling of the language before, and now I'm going to need some brain-bleach to try and un-hear it ...
That's an example of 'verbing' which is a cornerstone* of RevSpeak. My (un)favourite is fellowshipping, which sounds like one of our church regulars has been parcelled up and sent by DHL or UPS.
*Cornerstone is another, and almost as meaningless. Any stone can be a cornerstone, so long as it is placed at the corner.
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Albertus
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Originally posted by Baptist Trainfan:
PS Thinking of the "worshipping 150" - when did people coming to church become "attendees" rather than "attenders"? Surely an "attendee" is someone who is attended upon, such as a hospital patient of a restaurant diner?
On 'worshipping 150': don't know about anyone else here, but when we worship, we worship One, or at most Three-in-One.
I suppose 'attendee' is by analogy with 'standee', a word whose formation I've never quite understood.
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Leorning Cniht
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Originally posted by Albertus:
I suppose 'attendee' is by analogy with 'standee', a word whose formation I've never quite understood.
Escapee? Refugee? Absentee?
Is a person who is not a standee a settee?
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Sipech
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If anyone dares use the term "breaking through" I have to restrain myself from doing just that to their nasal septum.
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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"Commingling" to describe the sex act.
"Called" to mean "offered the job."
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Signaller
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Originally posted by Albertus:
I suppose 'attendee' is by analogy with 'standee', a word whose formation I've never quite understood.
I blame Wodehouse:
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I wandered in and took my place among the standees at the back...Like all rustic standees, these were stern, implacable men, utterly incapable of taking the broad, charitable view and realizing that a fellow who comes on a platform and starts reciting about Christopher Robin going hoppity-hoppity-hop (or, alternatively, saying his prayers) does not do so from sheer wantonness but because he is a helpless victim of circumstances beyond his control.(The Mating Season)
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Horseman Bree
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I will offer "witnessing", which IRL means actually seeing some part of a particular action. In revspeak, it means giving a testimonial to some internal thing which only the speaker has the faintest clue about, and that usually wrong.
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Golden Key
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"Love offering": hitting the attendees up for cash, to prove how much they appreciate you.
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Spike
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
That's an example of 'verbing' which is a cornerstone* of RevSpeak. My (un)favourite is fellowshipping, which sounds like one of our church regulars has been parcelled up and sent by DHL or UPS.
Another one is "Discipling".
A previous vicar at my church would use the word "ministry" to describe any odd job around the church - cleaning ministry, gardening minstry, you name it. I often give a disabled lady a lift home from church on a Sunday and the vicar once thanked/congratulated me on performing "transport ministry".
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Chorister
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Revs (and other preachers) used to use the phrase 'please be seated', at intervals during the service. I guess they thought that sounded too churchy, because they now say 'please take a seat'. I'm surprised we have any left.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
"Commingling" to describe the sex act.
"Called" to mean "offered the job."
The RCC my Sainted Aunt attended ran bingo each week, so I suppose the guy who read out the numbers had a "calling calling".
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Enoch
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Originally posted by Spike:
... A previous vicar at my church would use the word "ministry" to describe any odd job around the church - cleaning ministry, gardening minstry, you name it. I often give a disabled lady a lift home from church on a Sunday and the vicar once thanked/congratulated me on performing "transport ministry".
That's a gem. Were you 'released into transport ministry'? And by posting here, you are 'releasing yourself to share in web based ministry'.
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Gill H
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And if you take the parish magazines round to people, is that a deliverance ministry?
(Unashamedly nicked from Adrian Plass, in case he's reading...!)
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Gill H:
And if you take the parish magazines round to people, is that a deliverance ministry?
Don't you need a banjo for that ministry?
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Paddle faster!
Sorry, I'll get me coat.
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Stejjie
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Originally posted by Chorister:
Revs (and other preachers) used to use the phrase 'please be seated', at intervals during the service. I guess they thought that sounded too churchy, because they now say 'please take a seat'. I'm surprised we have any left.
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Confessions time:
1) I do still say "please be seated" out of sheer habit and against my own better judgement (especially as 99% of people there most Sundays know full well when it's time to sit down).
2) The last set of church meeting minutes said that I "took the chair". I had to confess to the person who wrote them that I wanted to add "but was told to bring it back" to the end of that sentence.
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Originally posted by Enoch:
That's a gem. Were you 'released into transport ministry'? And by posting here, you are 'releasing yourself to share in web based ministry'.
"Releasing into..." something is one I've heard quite a lot, especially in Baptist circles. With my cynical hat on, I can't help but think it means something like "Being minister of a congregation isn't exciting/sexy enough for me, so I'm going to do something else instead but still be paid by my church."
I might just be being very cynical today, though...
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Adeodatus
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Originally posted by Enoch:
X was 'raised to the episcopate'.
Some of us say 'lowered'.
As for 'released into' - is this the Revspeak equivalent of being 'let go'? Or am I equating it too much with being 'released into the wild'?
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
"Commingling" to describe the sex act.
That term is usually used when they put a bit of the wafer into the chalice.
Look here, about two-thirds of the way down the page. A line uttered in one of my favorite films, Harold and Maude, by one of my favorite cameo actors, Harold Christmas.
I remember attending many a retreat at school, where attendance at said retreats was required, where the priest warned us in no uncertain terms against the dire consequences of "commingling."
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"Released into" can have rather sinister overtones as it is associated with the covering movement in US pentecostalism, whereby someone with some gifting or another is prevented from using that gift in church until they are deemed to have fully submitted to a covering elder, whereupon they are then "released into" the use of their gift. See Rob McAlpine's Post-Charismatic for some damning testimonies.
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quote:
Originally posted by Spike:
... A previous vicar at my church would use the word "ministry" to describe any odd job around the church - cleaning ministry, gardening minstry, you name it. I often give a disabled lady a lift home from church on a Sunday and the vicar once thanked/congratulated me on performing "transport ministry".
That's a gem. Were you 'released into transport ministry'? And by posting here, you are 'releasing yourself to share in web based ministry'.
And you were released into this ministry by passing your driving test...
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Charles Read
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Also: birthing (as a verb) - e.g. 'we birthed a new home group' No you did not - you set one up or launched it or brought it to birth.
Here are some dialect versions of Revspeak from the world of ministry training:
- 'enabling the ministry of others' (= they are not a prima donna)
- 'deep pastoral wisdom' as in X needs to develop DPW in his next year in training (which = 'he would be a disaster as a minister if we ordained him right now, but he's got a year to sort himself out')
- 'inhabit the tradition' as in X struggles to inhabit the (Anglican) tradition' (= they have never heard of Cranmer, use Common Worship to prop us a wobbly table and don't intend to obey the bishop, the canons or their incumbent).
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Eutychus
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Originally posted by Enoch:
'Worship leader' - in Revspeak that sometimes doesn't mean the Rev in robes at the front but the person leading the music - in Revspeak 'praise band'.
Not "leading the music"! Performing the worship set.
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Originally posted by Sipech:
"Released into" can have rather sinister overtones as it is associated with the covering movement in US pentecostalism, whereby someone with some gifting or another is prevented from using that gift in church until they are deemed to have fully submitted to a covering elder, whereupon they are then "released into" the use of their gift. See Rob McAlpine's Post-Charismatic for some damning testimonies.
"Covering" also often has to do with a headship model of male/female gender roles. When I was teaching in eastern Africa, the dean (apologetically) explained to me that I needed my husband's "covering"-- meaning he had to be in the room whenever I was teaching. He usually used that time to catch up on his reading.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
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Originally posted by Gill H:
And if you take the parish magazines round to people, is that a deliverance ministry?
Don't you need a banjo for that ministry?
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Originally posted by Kittyville:
Paddle faster!
Sorry, I'll get me coat.
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Eutychus
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historical tangent/
No! No! The origin of "covering" is explained in the parable of Chiefs and Indians: quote:
A curious term arising from an ancient writing referring to a squaw who was covered by a famous chief's blanket
/historical tangent
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Missional (er?)
Listen Church (do walls have ears too?)
Share bread and wine: do communion (let's have a bit of bread and a small cup of grape juice)
Community (what is it that you have in "common")
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Eutychus
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Originally posted by Eutychus:
Performing the worship set.
Oh, I forgot. Which you move into.
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Ricardus
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Don't forget that the best way to prove your ideas have logical structure is to show that they all begin with the same letter. Or can be arranged to form a cutesy acronym.
(Although to be fair this is beloved of the pointy-haired boss school of management as well.)
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balaam
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"And finally," used to mean the sermon is almost half way through.
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Originally posted by Chorister:
Revs (and other preachers) used to use the phrase 'please be seated', at intervals during the service. I guess they thought that sounded too churchy, because they now say 'please take a seat'. I'm surprised we have any left.
I was actually teased at a church event for my habit of saying 'please sit' or 'please sit down' instead of the 'proper' 'please be seated'. I was not amused. ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
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Originally posted by Ricardus:
Don't forget that the best way to prove your ideas have logical structure is to show that they all begin with the same letter. Or can be arranged to form a cutesy acronym.
(Although to be fair this is beloved of the pointy-haired boss school of management as well.)
Which leads to another aspect of Revspeak: borrowing vocabulary from business leadership models. See "shared vision", "buy in", "pursuit of excellence", "mission statement", "political capitol" and "incentivizing"... (Closely related to mastering the art of writing books composed of three rather obvious statements written in large font with wide margins interspersed with one cutesy analogy involving a frog and hot water or a mouse and his cheese.)
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Eutychus
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Originally posted by balaam:
"And finally," used to mean the sermon is almost half way through.
There is some biblical precedent for that...
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Sioni Sais
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One of our worship leaders is keen on the term 'Son worship' which sounds way too Aztec for my liking.
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And the phrase "Let us pray" said at the end of the readings, psalms and etcs in a service if Morning Prayer, before the prayers of intercession. What the speaker thinks we have been doing for the last 15 mins or so is utterly beyond my comprehension....
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... A previous vicar at my church would use the word "ministry" to describe any odd job around the church - cleaning ministry, gardening minstry, you name it. I often give a disabled lady a lift home from church on a Sunday and the vicar once thanked/congratulated me on performing "transport ministry".
That's a gem. Were you 'released into transport ministry'? And by posting here, you are 'releasing yourself to share in web based ministry'.
And you were released into this ministry by passing your driving test...
Our Vicar elevated it to the status of "The highest honour ministry". In our context it meant putting the chairs out/ away.
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Enoch
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And the phrase "Let us pray"....
Do you ever feel the urge to intone back "Do we have to?" Or on a better day, "O, all right then".
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The Midge
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"Lettuce Pray? I will never be cruel to a salad again."
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
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Or "Let us spray" at the blessing of the animals.
[Miss Amanda will get her wrap.]
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