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Doc Tor
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parkrun best 18.42
That is quite unreasonable. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Faster than most of our course records, in fact... (fastest I've ever done is 27.18)
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Hi, all.
My yoga is going great, weight training comes and goes (really need to set a schedule rather than just maintaining and screwing around), but I just can't seem to get the running off the ground again.
I'm the queen of excuses when it comes to outside running- too cold, too icy, too dark, too many bears. So I bought a second-hand treadmill thinking I could still get the runs in even when the weather is frightful. I've used big fancy gym treadmills before and they're boring, but okay. This one is... eh. Boring, but also the tread part seems short; I don't feel I can get a decent gait without risking a wipeout. And... Really effing boring.
So I'm open to suggestions from people who run in all sorts of crappy conditions. How do you talk yourself into it? I think I really need the outdoor time, the treadmill kind of sucks. But it's just so EASY to skip out on the outdoor run, every day brings a new excuse.
Ideas?
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Doc Tor
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Get up. Go out. Leave your running kit out and hide your day clothes. Once you've got one leg in the running tights, you've already made the decision to run. Don't even stop for the first mug of tea/coffee. Have a bottle of water by your bed, drink it as you get togged up. Then just go.
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Jenn.
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Was just getting back to 5k and fell down a single step. Badly damaged foot. No running for weeks :-( there goes my plans of a 10k at Easter.
Comet - could you join a group? I'm not the most social of runners but I did mean that there were set times when people were expecting me and a programme we were following. It got my motivation going a bit. I'm competitive and I wanted to beat them at the 5k
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Beethoven
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Wheat (sometimes) works for me is just giving myself permission to not want to go. Doesn't mean I'm allowed to not go running, but I'm allowed to be reluctant. So I can put my running gear on, while grumbling 'I don't want to do this', tie my shoes moaning 'It's too cold/dark, I'm too tired', and even start my warm-up while thinking of all the things I'd rather be doing. But as long as I still get out there, it's ok. Admittedly the conditions here are somewhat less unfriendly than in the wilds of Alaska, but this has kept me running through frost, icy roads, windy weather... And on Sunday, I actually enjoyed part of my run!
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After writing the above post I've done some thinking. I'm not going to guilt myself for not running in the winter. When I run, it's because I love to run. I don't love to run when it's icy and stormy. So, fine. I'm a fair weather runner.
I am doing fine with yoga and weights and walking everywhere. I don't need to do it all all the time. That just gives me constant guilt for not being perfect.
So. Running will resume when the roads dry out. Meahwhile, I'll be proud of myself for what I do over the winter. It's not like I'm in bad shape this year.
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Welease Woderwick
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Excellent decision, ma'am.
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WW's right - what's the point of running to get fit if you slip on a Patch of Treachery™ and break a leg?
There's an indoor running/walking track at the University's PE department here, which is open to the public for a small entry fee, and you can run or walk (there are lanes designated for each) at your own pace without fear of winter-related injuries - do you have anything like that in Cometland?
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Phew!
I've just finished my kettlebell workout - we have started to put moves together now. Swing/clean/press etc.
Just like this lady, except that I get short breaks between sets and I don't have a tattoo ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Jengie jon
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OK
A question for people here, does anyone know any decent books about getting fit for a person who is a relative novice. I am not wanting to become an expert but to know enough to understand what the guys at the gym are doing when they change my routine.
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Jane R
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You probably don't need a book if that's all you want to know. My aerobics teacher told me that you use less energy to complete a workout once you've got used to doing it - so you need to change your routine regularly, about every six weeks or so, to maintain your activity level, and if your fitness is improving you also need to move to a more challenging routine.
It stops you from getting bored with doing the same thing all the time, too.
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Jengie jon
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I am not asking for anything that simple. I am wanting to be able to contextualize the advice given rather than just having it flow over my head. I want enough to be able to be able to have some idea of the persons reasoning. This would make me more able to choose wisely how to adapt the routine to my developing fitness level between reviews.
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Jane R
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In that case, try something like a GCSE textbook. Though you might find an A-level or undergraduate-level one more informative.
I've indexed a few of these (not the one I linked to) and I remember being impressed at how much students needed to know to pass their exams.
Another thing you might consider is asking your instructor when you're doing the review to tell you things you can do in between reviews to make the exercises harder. Mine is happy to do this (eg., do more repetitions/increase the weight/increase the resistance on the CV machines; also some floor exercises have more challenging variations that you can add on to the basic exercise when you're ready).
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Doc Tor
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*bump*
How's everyone doing? My 5k time seems to stay static for ages, then I take a big bite out of it (26s on Saturday, for a PB of 27:12).
I am trying to do something every day, though, mostly swimming, with a bit of running - I did 10k this morning because I didn't want to have to think about the Girl doing her AS Maths paper...
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Jane R
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I signed up to do the Race for Life 5k in (gulp) about seven weeks' time. I have built up to 30 minutes non-stop running on the treadmill, but had a bit of a shock when I went for my first outdoor run on Monday and discovered that (a) the friends I was running with were a lot faster than me and (b) I had to walk after about 20 minutes.
So it's back to the gym to get an updated workout and training schedule...
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Doc Tor
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Most people (IME) walk the Race for Life. It's also a crashing mistake to try and judge how well you're doing by how fast your mates are going. Please don't go down that road, as it only leads to despondency.
Find someone willing to run at your pace, stay with them and you'll be fine. There's a whole bunch of folk at Parkrun who are not just faster, but older, than me, and if I tried to keep up with them, I'd combust.
Case in point: the bloke I'm trying to currently beat is two age brackets above me. That's right: I'm trying to overtake a 60+ year old man, and I still can't quite do it (I'm 48).
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Jengie jon
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JaneR
My reading (I am novice too) is that running outside is very different from running on a treadmill. The books say if you must train on a treadmill then put it at 1% incline to help counteract how easy it is compared with outside.
However, I suspect with a couple of runs outside in the next week you will find you pace and fitness will improve dramatically compared with what they are today. My experience is that every time I try something new, initially I get a fitness burst. It does not keep going, but the first few weeks are encouraging.
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Jane R
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Thanks guys - especially for the tip about adjusting the incline on the treadmill, I'll try that. I am feeling less despondent now - I have another seven weeks to get up to speed.
I am not aiming to keep up with my friends - just hoping to run all the way and finish not too far behind them!
Next time I will try having dinner *after* the run instead of 45 minutes before, too - that didn't help.
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I think treadmill running and outdoor running are slightly different techniques. To run fast outdoors you want to push off from the ground which lengthens your stride, but you can't really do that on a treadmill, you can only increase your cadence.
Personally I find outdoor running easier, as well as a hundred times more fun, but most people do find treadmills easier.
Good luck Doc Tor in catching your 60 something, there are some good older runners out there once you get past him. Some of the world age group records are really amazing. For 75 plus men at 5k it's 19.07 !
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Doc Tor
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I've never run on a treadmill - I can't actually imagine how that would feel. I'd miss the subtle changes in the slope and surface of the ground, and that you feel like you're actually travelling. On my longer runs I get to see the Angel of the North, and on the shorter ones at this time of year, there's a line of ornamental cherries in full flower to run under.
Also, I slaughtered my PB again. I'm down to 26:39, a full minute faster than two weeks ago. Jimmy wasn't even there, either...
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Beethoven
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Well done to all shippies who are persevering with their running (or indeed other regimes).Last weekend I set my PB for 10k, with a chip time of 1.15.20 - absolutely delighted with that for my very first attempt ever! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) The next day I had to do a (very gentle) run with Op 2 as she's decided she'd like to start Couch to 5k, which was lovely, and I'm not going to feel disheartened at the fact she's so much quicker than me..!
Tonight's aim is a 35 min run. The sun is shinin, but it's not all that warm, so it should be perfect conditions for a good run
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Jane R
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Congratulations Beethoven!
I did another outside run by myself yesterday. I think moonlitdoor is right and I need to use a slightly different technique when running outdoors - the lower part of my calves and the tendons in my feet seemed to be working very hard, which suggests that they were doing things they weren't used to. I still managed to do 20 minutes jogging, followed by 5 minutes walk, then another 10 minutes jog, so I'm getting there. I took a bottle of water with me this time so I could keep myself hydrated, and that also seemed to help.
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Well, last night didn't go quite to plan - dinner an hour later than it should have been, and my legs were clearly still more tired than I'd realised. But I managed half an hour of running (with a minute's walk after 20 mins), so that's still OK.
Well done Jane - sounds like you're making excellent progess. Running outdoors is so much more fun than the dreadmill! ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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I went for a sixteen mile stroll last week. We stopped off for lunch and a poke round a craft shop, then we had another stop to visit a small heritage centre, then we stopped again for ice cream, but even so, sixteen miles must count for something, fitness wise.
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.. a sixteen mile stroll ...
Crikey - that's not a stroll, it's a marathon.
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The "stroll" referred to our speed, not our distance.
"Look! Is that a bullfinch or a chaffinch?" Let's stand still for ten minutes to watch it!
"Look! A bench! Let's sit on it!
"Great view! I must stop to take a photo!"
etc etc.
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Now that you put it that way, NEQ, it maybe doesn't sound quite so scary.
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Jane R
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I did it!! I completed the Race for Life!
I must admit, I did have to walk occasionally, but I ran most of the way. And the only obstacle that I had to chicken out of was the scramble net (vertigo...)
It took half an hour to wash the mud off afterwards, but ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
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Congratulations Jane R ![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif)
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What A-in-E said!
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Jane I am seriously impressed!
OK lazybones - this was on page 2, so I brought it back up to skite.
I walked for 1 hour on Monday and 2hours today (Wednesday) - and No, I am not walking for 3 hours on Friday
Unseasonably warm weather has helped.
Huia - hoping to get fitter.
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Welease Woderwick
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Originally posted by Huia:
Jane I am seriously impressed!
...and so am I!
I am still walking most morning and most evenings - 40-60 mins in the morning and 20-40 mins in the evening - not power walking or anything silly like that but not strolling either.
Progress of sorts in that I have lost a couple of kilos that seems consistently gone away and, possibly more importantly, I recently noticed that my waistline has reduced by an inch or two.
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Jane R
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Well done on the weight loss, Wodders!
I haven't done much running since the Race for Life - I've gone back to circuit training to try and build my upper body and core strength up.
I took my daughter swimming this morning too, which was about as depressing as usual - she is a much better swimmer than I am.
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Jengie jon
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There is a purple passage in the book I just got about how when you think you are doing fine this eleven-year-old girl dives in and paces up and down the pool faster than you without really trying.
The thing is that eleven-year-old girl is my niece who likes nothing better than to beat her aunt at swimming. Elder brother is faster still but he just gets on and trains thus family can pretend he is swimming in a different pool.
So you have my sympathy.
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I haven't done any swimming in years, but I know I would be much slower than I used to be, not that I was ever fast.
It's Friday here and this week I have clocked up 6 hours of exercise so far, mainly walking. I asked my GP for a "Green Prescription" which means I have access to a very cheap exercise class at a local church hall. The last session includes Swiss ball work, dyna bands and balance and stretching. I find it harder to persuade myself to branch out from walking as I can do that as part of my normal day, whereas I find repetitive stuff can be boring.
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I agree, Huia, although I have done very little walking as left hip and pelvis are very dodgy now. My sister goes to gym daily. Even house sitting in South Australua, she has found a gym run by the council. She goes every day. Gym's cheapness is somewhat overcome by the fact it is thirty kilometres away from where she is.
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I don't mind (much) about the twelve-year-old girl beating me - she's a very fast swimmer, she can beat other twelve-year-olds. What I really object to is being overtaken by the octogenarians! They're older than me - they SHOULD be slower!! ![[Help]](graemlins/help.gif)
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agree - tie weights around their ankles ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
Damn gym/Swiss balls. Yesterday my main exercise was trying to inflate three with a pump that self-destructed several times - it was so frustrating! In the end a friend came around with a small compressor and saved what was left of my sanity. I lent him the middle sized ball and passed on a set of exercises that I had been given.
Because I am short I use the smallest ball for exercising, but the biggest (75 cm diameter) is good for sitting in while I'm on the computer. It also has the advantage over a chair in that Georgie-Porgy doesn't perch herself on it
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Great picture in my mind of Georgie- Porgy trying to perch on one of those balls. I can see the huffy expression when she fell off.
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Alright big silly question time. I fairly regularly run outside (between once a fortnight and once a twice a week). I should be doing that tomorrow, but the weather is wet, wet, wet. I am wondering instead of going down the gym and doing an hour or so running on a treadmill.
Fyi at present I have gym membership and have in the past walked on a treadmill but have never run on one. In my usual runs I cover just under 10km in a mix of slow running and walking and warm up before hand. Living where I do, the route is hilly.
Any advice?
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Speaking as one who has just renewed his gym membership after a year or so of not going to the gym at all ....
I never use the treadmill at the gym, I can't help feeling that in real running the scenery changes ... but I don't seen any problem in using it if you want to (assuming there's no problem in getting on or off it). I couldn't stay on it for an hour, I just don't have the patience, and short sharp bursts might actually do more good than long periods at a steady speed. (Not too sharp though unless you are fairly fit to begin with.)
One of the problems with running is over-use injuries and it might be better to spend some time on other devices which don't load joints and tendons quite so much.
Staff at the gym should be able to offer helpful advice.
Is the gym associated with a swimming pool?
If you are only managing an average of about one run per week it might be advisable to deliberately take things a bit easy, the gym environment could possibly lead to over-doing things a bit.
Round about here, the recent and apparently continuing monsoon is reducing any path that's not tarmac to a bottomless quagmire.
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Jengie jon
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Running in the gym is actually a rather needs must than an actual desire. Today outside I'd be running through about half a centimeter of water the whole time including on slopes. I have yet to work out how Sheffield manages to be hilly, have good drains and still when it rains has this film of running water on every solid surface.
I should explain, that this is one session in a varied routine. I swim once to twice a week and do weight training twice a week as well. I reluctantly introduced a run basically to get my legs and feet develop the strength to do long walks. I am at present trying to alternate walks with run week by week. Summer time I vary it with both a walk and a run in a week with when I am busy with a run instead of a walk. I thne only swim once a week.
If I could run cross country that would be my choice, but where I live that is not possible. So I make do with a street run through parks and such most weeks.
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Jane R
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If your gym has a variety of training equipment it might be worth alternating between different CV machines. My gym has treadmills, cross-trainers, stair-walking machines, exercise bikes and rowing machines. If I'm in a hurry I tend to go for the rowing machine as that gives my arms a bit of a workout as well. I know the main point of a CV machine is to give your heart and lungs a workout, but they all seem to work slightly different muscles; or at least, switching from one to the other instead of always using the same one seems to make me work harder.
I've just added walking a neighbour's dog to my list of things to do (the neighbour in question had a stroke recently and can't walk the dog himself) but I don't think that counts as a proper workout as the dog in question is old and fat and fairly lazy (a twenty minute stroll around the village is about his limit). So I'm still doing the circuit training three times a week.
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I've become a bit of an evangelist for our local YMCA. I had some muscles messed around after surgery some time ago, and spent too long being inactive on account of it. The physiotherapist suggested the wellness program at the YMCA to get things straightened out and working again. This was some of the best advice I ever had. The trainers there are excellent and you get personal guidance starting at your own level. The atmosphere is good. It's not full of people flaunting their spandex clad bodies (though there are a few inspirational bodies to be seen) and the age range is almost complete - up to octogenarians and beyond. It's working really well for me. It was strange getting on the rowing machine - my favourite - for the first time. The trainer came up and asked, "Why are you doing it like that?" I was subconsciously picking up where I left off long ago, and was working it as though it was the real oar I used to pull on the Dee in Aberdeen. I could almost hear the water under the bow behind me. It's good, and the first result was being able to cut back on the physio almost immediately. I don't know how much more fit I really am after a year of it, but the sense of well being is worth a lot.
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Thay haif said. Quhat say thay, Lat thame say (George Keith, 5th Earl Marischal)
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