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Thread: AS: Expressing solidarity with gay shipmates
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Adrienne
Shipmate
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Originally posted by Dormouse:
Everyone else is more able to say what I want to say better than me, but I add a ![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif) for everyone who needs it...
Exactly how I feel too, adding my own
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Spike
Mostly Harmless
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I think we all know why this thread was started, but could I ask shipmates to refrain from naming names.
Thanks
Spike
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JoannaP
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"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Benjamin Franklin
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iGeek
Number of the Feast
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I'm fortunate that I'm part of a loving and affirming faith community here in Gulfopolis that reminds me week in and week out the depth and breadth of God's mercy and love for all of His children.
I also have the privilege of having met many of you IRL and have shared a laugh, a pint, perhaps a tear or two and certainly affection and love. You are Christ to me when all around there are examples of people who apparently haven't a clue what that means. That can be discouraging, but I also know better through concrete examples.
Thanks for that. Thanks to MW and all of you who've made your viewpoint known. It helps.
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Auntie Doris
Screen Goddess
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We live to serve iGeek ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
Auntie Doris x
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Otter
Shipmate
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I keep waffling around if I want to step farther away from the closet door, as I get to feeling guilty that because I'm in a heterosexual marriage that I'm pretty much an invisible B in the LGBT. The support on this thread is wonderful and encouraging!
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amber.
Ship's Aspiedestra
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Originally posted by Otter:
I keep waffling around if I want to step farther away from the closet door, as I get to feeling guilty that because I'm in a heterosexual marriage that I'm pretty much an invisible B in the LGBT. The support on this thread is wonderful and encouraging!
You're not an invisible B! Or if you are, we both are, I guess? ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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SpruceMoose
Apprentice
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Haven't posted before but wanted to say thanks for this thread Mark and thanks everyone who's added to it.
Reading the vitriol that gets posted online (here and elsewhere) can really get me down so personally I'm touched and encouraged by your support and don't find it the least bit patronising
Adding my thoughts and prayers too
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Qoheleth.
Semi-Sagacious One
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I understand that Havenites are requested to phone home, LTRU.
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Melangell
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Gwnewch y pethau bychein (Dewi Sant)
Do the little things (Saint David)
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LibCath2000
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"Blessed are those who are persecuted ... for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
LC2K
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lilBuddha
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Cannot express any better than what has been written so far, so
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Late Quartet
Irredeemably speciesist?
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Solidarity
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Dafyd
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Love and ((()))s to everyone on the thread.
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Welease Woderwick
Sister Incubus Nightmare
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Originally posted by Qoheleth.:
I understand that Havenites are requested to phone home, LTRU.
[aside]Can a Havenite send me a link, please, as I lost mine in a hard drive crash.
Thanks.[/aside]
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Janine
The Endless Simmer
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Without actually immersing myself in Dead Horses... I've hardly ever been there...
Does it seem as if the folks who don't hold with homosexuality are scared to be civil and act rationally in a debate/discussion, for fear they will be misunderstood? Do they think a little normal human respect will be misread as "Heck yeah, I approve! Rampant same-sex luuurve for all! Run about nekkid and have sex with turnips, for all I care!"?
Surely, there's some sort of happy medium for them, between the rampant turnip thing and "the guillotine and Hellfire for anything beyond male/female missionary position!"
*Sigh*
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LutheranChik
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Also needing a link to "pbone home" to the Havens...I was on such a hiatus from the Ship that I think I was dropped off the list.
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Kelly Alves
Bunny with an axe
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I grew up in a church where several families left because we changed hymnals. Having this background, I am completely humbled by those friends of mine who, out of their love for God and their fellow parishioners, endure in churches where they are bound to be told on a regular basis that they are sub par members.
Whatever your position is on the matter, I think it is unwise not to ask people with that kind of devotion, "What keeps you here?"
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Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
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Flausa
Mad Woman
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Originally posted by iGeek:
You are Christ to me when all around there are examples of people who apparently haven't a clue what that means.
As you have been to me, and I suspect, to many others as well.
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Matariki
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Just a quick prayer of love and care for all of you out there; for the GLBTQ flock and our many many friends who ae straight but not narrow!
Surely the test of any faith is its ability to nurture hope, compassion and loving kindness?
If you agree, pat yourelf on the back and give yourself an A+.
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Figbash
The Doubtful Guest
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Everything that I could say has been said, and probably with less intemperate language that I would have used. So I will just say that I too wish to express my solidarity: Christianity is meant to be a religion of love and inclusion, Christ himself sought out the excluded, so let us pray that in at least some part of the Church you are included.
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PurpleDaisy
Shipmate
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My thoughts and prayers are with all gay shipmates who have had to put up with persecution and ignorant bigotry, both on these boards and elsewhere in their lives. The patience and strength you show is truly inspiring. ![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif)
Warm hugs and prayers to all
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the famous rachel
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The Weeder
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Jesus healed the Centurions 'servant'. How can people who claim to follow Him be so condemning?
for all who are hurt and angry
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Gee D
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Solidarity can come from surprising quarters. 18 months or so ago, the Rector of Bellevue Hill made a savage attack on an openly gay High Court Justice. At morning tea after our 10 am service, the attack was roundly condemned. The strongest supporters of Kirby J were not the young and perhaps more liberal; they were the older parishioners, raised and living on properties in the country until the time came to retire from the land, or those from supposedly conservative professions. They were outraged that a person’s sexual preferences should be the concern of the church. Not surprisingly, the same Rector had condemned chocolate wheels at church fetes as being a form of gambling!
By the way, I don’t understand Spike’s post.
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Janine
The Endless Simmer
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I don't either, specifically, but as I understand in general it has to do with a handful of Shippies who Acted Up.
And not the gay ones.
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Mamacita
Lakefront liberal
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Originally posted by Flausa:
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Originally posted by iGeek:
You are Christ to me when all around there are examples of people who apparently haven't a clue what that means.
As you have been to me, and I suspect, to many others as well.
This.
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mrs whibley
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Amen
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Carys
Ship's Celticist
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As a novice of the third order of St Francis, I am pledged to:
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spread the spirit of love and harmony
The Order sets out, in the name of Christ, to break down barriers between people and to seek equality for all. We accept as our second aim the spreading of a spirit of love and harmony among all people. We are pledged to fight against the ignorance, pride, and prejudice that breed injustice or partiality of any kind.
To me this definitely includes fighting exclusion on sexuality grounds. We are very lucky in having two partnered gay/lesbian christians in our group and what they and their partners have experienced is not good.
Carys
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Spike
Mostly Harmless
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Originally posted by Janine:
I don't either, specifically, but as I understand in general it has to do with a handful of Shippies who Acted Up.
And not the gay ones.
Got it in one!
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East Price Road
Shipmate
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In solidarity
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Campbellite
Ut unum sint
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Another "Straight but not narrow" standing with all our brothers and sisters.
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I upped mine. Up yours.
Suffering for Jesus since 1966.
WTFWED?
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Robert Armin
All licens'd fool
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If this thread is typical of All Saints maybe I should come here more often. It makes a refreshing change from the vitriol that has been expressed in some quarters recently - thank you.
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urbanbumpkin
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Originally posted by amber.:
quote:
Originally posted by Otter:
I keep waffling around if I want to step farther away from the closet door, as I get to feeling guilty that because I'm in a heterosexual marriage that I'm pretty much an invisible B in the LGBT. The support on this thread is wonderful and encouraging!
You're not an invisible B! Or if you are, we both are, I guess?
And another one, or at least one who's engaged to be in a hetrosexual marriage. So that's three of us - can't be too invisible! Actually, just wanted to thank you both for being open enough to share that - it's really encouraged me as I was feeling a little - misfitting I guess!
And thanks so much to everyone on this post - thanks for being Christ in a world where people are far too often excluded.
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amber.
Ship's Aspiedestra
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Originally posted by urbanbumpkin:
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Originally posted by amber.:
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Originally posted by Otter:
I keep waffling around if I want to step farther away from the closet door, as I get to feeling guilty that because I'm in a heterosexual marriage that I'm pretty much an invisible B in the LGBT. The support on this thread is wonderful and encouraging!
You're not an invisible B! Or if you are, we both are, I guess?
And another one, or at least one who's engaged to be in a hetrosexual marriage. So that's three of us - can't be too invisible! Actually, just wanted to thank you both for being open enough to share that - it's really encouraged me as I was feeling a little - misfitting I guess!
And thanks so much to everyone on this post - thanks for being Christ in a world where people are far too often excluded.
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Campbellite
Ut unum sint
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Originally posted by Robert Armin:
If this thread is typical of All Saints maybe I should come here more often. It makes a refreshing change from the vitriol that has been expressed in some quarters recently - thank you.
That's why this is called All Saints. You are welcome anytime, Robert.
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Suffering for Jesus since 1966.
WTFWED?
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Janine
The Endless Simmer
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We're far from perfect in All Saints.
But, the bumpiness tends to be like that of the beloved "tetched" Auntie who lives in the attic apartment. I may still cut an interpersonal backflip sometimes, but I'm your Auntie and you love me.
Like that. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Y'all please let me know when it's my turn to rule the world -- I'll implement my Disagree Without Knifing Each Other Plan.
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Hilda of Whitby
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Love and support to our LGBT family members.
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jlg
What is this place?
Why am I here?
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I met my first Out gays back in the early '70s (though there were some suspicious sorts before then).
Ever since, I've simply never understood what the big deal was. Some were arty-farty types (just like my hetero arty-farty friends), some were plodding scientific suburban sorts.
Later I discovered the crazy urban subcultures, but again, taken one by one, they were simply various sorts of friends.
To be honest, I was much more surprised to discover that the seemingly boring parents of my childrens' friends during elementary school turned out to be sexual swingers. But having discovered this, I never felt any post-angst that I might have done wrong by letting my kids visit there regularly. As far as I know, the only thing they did to corrupt my kids was allowing them lots of time to play Mario Brothers.
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jlg
What is this place?
Why am I here?
# 98
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Posting this separately because I just want to say how much it means to me to have known a couple of gay shipmates and been informed of their marriages. While I wasn't able to be there, I still find myself tearing up a bit, just as I do at any marriage where I care about the person(s) involved.
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Tubbs
Miss Congeniality
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Originally posted by LibCath2000:
"Blessed are those who are persecuted ... for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."
LC2K
Amen
Tubbs
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Janine
The Endless Simmer
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I sort of quoted he-who-was-once-Gort in church today.
During a Bible discussion about reaching out to the community, the Football God brought up how we as a local community of Christians had better act/react, when we have someone who is obviously very different join us for worship and fellowship.
(So far as we know) everyone in our local group is straight, nobody cross-dresses, nothing but mainstreamers here. So FG says, in his point about someone wildly different, "We'd better be prepared to see a man in a dress walk in here."
There of course followed much poking of fun and nominations of which of the men present was going to don some organdy and fishnets so we'd have a chance to practice. Daughter Amazon-Valkyrie mentioned FG's college win of the "Best Legs" contest...
Anyway, as conversation continued over snacks, I remembered what Gort had said and paraphrased him in my own way: "Just out of common courtesy, I don't care if you need to carry your male parts around in a wheelbarrow, if you want me to call you Sheila, that's your name. We can talk later, after we're friends, if I think the Lord has some word for you about it."
Why would Sheila care what I had to say about anything, much less Bible and size-twelve dancing pumps, if Sheila doesn't know I love him? Um, her?
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Mr Clingford
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And a from me too.
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If only.
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