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RadicalWhig
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Originally posted by basso:
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Originally posted by Foaming Draught:
I'll find it very interesting to know how you can support even one of your allegations.
She doesn't have to. None of the admins are answerable to anyone but Simon and Erin.
None of us have a right to post here at all.
Lamb Chopped is right. Continuing to second-guess decisions like this is insulting to the people who keep the ship afloat.
It's not our call, and it's not really any of our business. Time to move on.
I think anyone who has contributed to the ship's coffers at least deserves a say.
Besides, just because they don't "have to" doesn't mean they "shouldn't be requested to".
I liked Max.
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Bullfrog.
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Originally posted by Fr Cuthbert:
What a pity that this thread has descended to attacks and defences of individuals.
I still believe the original opening questions are worth discussion and thought.
If you're talking about the Max situation, someone ought to start another thread, methinks.
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Erin
Meaner than Godzilla
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Originally posted by RadicalWhig:
I think anyone who has contributed to the ship's coffers at least deserves a say.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to stop you right there. Contributing to the ship's coffers doesn't get you any special privilege in this regard. Everyone is free to register their opinion, including those who think we're collectively the reincarnation of Hitler and those who think that everyone should just STFU about it already.
[ 21. October 2009, 01:04: Message edited by: Erin ]
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Golden Key
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I'll miss Max. He grew--and grew up--a lot here.
He had a good sense of humor; unfortunately, people sometimes read his posts seriously when they weren't meant that way. I know that was the case with the big mess in Hell, sometime back.
I know these decisions are hard for--and on--the hosts. I hope, FWIW, that maybe someday there'll be a way for him to come back.
![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif) for all concerned.
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Jahlove
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Well, it's obvious the H&A have been seeking a *reason* to ban Max. However, this piss-poor excuse merely looks vindictive.
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Flausa
Mad Woman
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How many more buttons should he get to push? Max has been granted sooooooooo much slack, but that has finally run out. Should the post in question have been ignored until the next one? And if the next one wasn't really serious and just inside joking, should the H&A's wait until the next mistep? Giving a final warning is a bit silly if it's not actually going to be the final one.
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Sioni Sais
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Maybe Max. can learn from this that in RealLife™, "enough" really can mean enough. It might save him from more than a ban from a website.
If you're lurking Max, God Bless.
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Erin
Meaner than Godzilla
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Originally posted by Jahlove:
Well, it's obvious the H&A have been seeking a *reason* to ban Max. However, this piss-poor excuse merely looks vindictive.
And I'm going to have to stop you right here, too. The Ship's administration reserves the right to ban anyone at any time for any or no reason whatsoever. So the admins don't need to seek a reason, or an excuse. The bannee, as always, takes care of that all on their own.
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five
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My only experience of Max was on the thread that got him warned. (And count me among those who picked up fast that there was a big past history. For starters the Admins cited a lot of "episodes" in their posts.) But the warning to me was very clear that anything, anything at all, meant that Max was gone. Given the way Max acted in that thread, and in starting that thread, I'm surprised that the final straw was for something this mild. Then again, it was stated in the post that banned him that he'd ordinarily get suspended for that post, and since he was already not getting suspended for the July fiasco explicitly so that the admins could ban him as they'd had enough, this was the double yellow card that amounted to a red.
Compared to his July thread, the post in question was utterly minor. Added to his July thread, the tipping point.
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Viola
Administrator
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Originally posted by Flausa:
How many more buttons should he get to push? Max has been granted sooooooooo much slack, but that has finally run out. Should the post in question have been ignored until the next one? And if the next one wasn't really serious and just inside joking, should the H&A's wait until the next mistep? Giving a final warning is a bit silly if it's not actually going to be the final one.
That's about the size of it. And just in case anyone thinks that Tubbs is the big, bad meany - she acted after consultation & agreement with the other admins.
And we've had exactly this situation with other multi-warned, multi-suspended posters before, with exactly the same accusations of unfairness. Sometimes, a final warning really is a final warning, even if the tipping point would have been a minor offence for a shipmate with otherwise exemplary behaviour.
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jlg
What is this place?
Why am I here?
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As a simple Shipmate I understand that Max. was amusing, so I know why various people who should know better are posting in his defense.
As a long-time previous host of MW/Eccles, I know how much time and effort he required over the years, both in public and in PMs. He has been given more second chances than any other member of this forum and spread over a much longer timespan.
For those of you who think he has grown up, think again. The hosts and admins and various shipmates have put way too many personal hours into trying to train Max and while he has made some progress, it simply hasn't been enough.
And for those of you who are new or haven't been paying attention, he has a reputation of posting and/or linking to all sorts of personal information and then having a hissy fit at the Ship when someone In Real Life happened across it
Will I miss his posts? Yes.
Will I miss his presence? No.
He should have been banned long ago simply because he always seemed to think that the rules didn't apply to him.
It's one thing to push the limits (the Ship tolerates that) but quite another to simply ignore them and think you are special.
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Tubbs
Miss Congeniality
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Originally posted by five:
My only experience of Max was on the thread that got him warned. (And count me among those who picked up fast that there was a big past history. For starters the Admins cited a lot of "episodes" in their posts.) But the warning to me was very clear that anything, anything at all, meant that Max was gone. Given the way Max acted in that thread, and in starting that thread, I'm surprised that the final straw was for something this mild. Then again, it was stated in the post that banned him that he'd ordinarily get suspended for that post, and since he was already not getting suspended for the July fiasco explicitly so that the admins could ban him as they'd had enough, this was the double yellow card that amounted to a red.
Compared to his July thread, the post in question was utterly minor. Added to his July thread, the tipping point.
Warnings are also intended to influence behaviour. Other posters have been told that they need to change their behaviour in order to remain here and they’ve done so. Max didn’t.
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five
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All that said, I'm slightly disappointed that the other guy who got banned got a new logo that looked like Erin ate him, but Max still gets to stay as he was. That Erin eating people logo is funny.
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rosamundi
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Originally posted by five:
All that said, I'm slightly disappointed that the other guy who got banned got a new logo that looked like Erin ate him, but Max still gets to stay as he was. That Erin eating people logo is funny.
The "Erin eating a troll" avatar is reserved for sockpuppets, I think.
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passer
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Posted
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Originally posted by rosamundi:
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Originally posted by five:
All that said, I'm slightly disappointed that the other guy who got banned got a new logo that looked like Erin ate him, but Max still gets to stay as he was. That Erin eating people logo is funny.
The "Erin eating a troll" avatar is reserved for sockpuppets, I think.
......so he can have one next time. ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif)
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rosamundi
Ship's lacemaker
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Originally posted by passer:
quote:
Originally posted by rosamundi:
The "Erin eating a troll" avatar is reserved for sockpuppets, I think.
......so he can have one next time.
Whatever Max.'s sins and failings, I don't think sockpuppetry is one of them.
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Tubbs
Miss Congeniality
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Posted
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Originally posted by rosamundi:
quote:
Originally posted by five:
All that said, I'm slightly disappointed that the other guy who got banned got a new logo that looked like Erin ate him, but Max still gets to stay as he was. That Erin eating people logo is funny.
The "Erin eating a troll" avatar is reserved for sockpuppets, I think.
It's used when the person is banned by Erin. For whatever reason.
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Lord Pontivillian
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Originally posted by rosamundi:
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Originally posted by passer:
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Originally posted by rosamundi:
The "Erin eating a troll" avatar is reserved for sockpuppets, I think.
......so he can have one next time.
Whatever Max.'s sins and failings, I don't think sockpuppetry is one of them.
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His twitter is informative.
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Organ Builder
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Lord P, if there is one thing I have learned by now on the Ship, it is that the Adminisphere is full of very bright, crafty--even sneaky--people who are pretty good at knowing the their market.
Max. is quite bright and I'd be surprised if there isn't a trick or two up his sleeve, but in the long run my money is on Erin and the Admins.
(Hmmm..."Erin and the Admins" might make a decent name for a rock band).
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Darllenwr
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Before H&A come down on Lord P for this last post, I have already snarled at him about it. Easy enough, given that he is sitting in the next room.
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Foaming Draught
The Low in Low Church
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Originally posted by Organ Builder:
people who are pretty good at knowing the their market
If I were marketing a bulletin board to be "unrestful", and wanted interesting people to flock to it, I'd get rid of the bores who have posted recently on this thread and I certainly wouldn't ditch a hard-to-manage but challenging young person like Max. But then marketing, like human resources, is a department for folk who aren't up to selling anything.
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For she is young and free
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RooK
1 of 6
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There's unrest that stirs the marketplace of ideas, letting thoughts and memes be shared and considered as people of different ilks rub shoulders. Then there's screaming children knocking over displays and preventing everybody else from conversing. And there's also grimy indigents mumbling their displeasure of reality as they stink up the place with their alcoholic breath.
We're not a company with departments. We're a bazaar.
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Slavophile
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After observing the ship for over a decade, it is quite clear that the only time spoiled assholes are tolerated is if they are also admins.
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RooK
1 of 6
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quote:
Originally posted by Slavophile:
After observing the ship for over a decade, it is quite clear that the only time spoiled assholes are tolerated is if they are also admins.
Obviously, you see more Admins than I do. And, clearly, in your observations I've been an Admin for a long, long time.
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Slavophile
Apprentice
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Well, it's either adminship or the plank. Usually the plank if you crusade or are immature in your assholeishness. If you are a bit more sophisticated or caustic, you get to fall up.
And you've been part of the Hosts and Admins for a long fucking time. Don't kid yourself or us.
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Foaming Draught
The Low in Low Church
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Hey, Slavophile, where have you been all my (Ship) Life?
FD Grimy Indigent etc etc
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For she is young and free
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QLib
Bad Example
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quote:
Originally posted by RooK:
We're a bazaar.
Ahem... I think you'll find the correct spelling is:
b i z a r r e
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Erin
Meaner than Godzilla
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So wait, does that mean I need to change my title? I quite like poisonous, dysfunctional witch. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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RooK
1 of 6
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No no, you're an Editor, not an Admin.
And I'm not changing my title. Because, really, by now the red maple leaf is synonymous with "spoiled asshole" anyway.
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Erin
Meaner than Godzilla
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True, but he said admins, plural, and you and David and I are about the only ones who ever qualified.
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Jahlove
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quote:
Originally posted by Erin:
True, but he said admins, plural, and you and David and I are about the only ones who ever qualified.
Occupation says *Cubicle Monkey* - maybe somewhat, er, less than qualified, generally speaking, y'know IRL an' all that ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Erin
Meaner than Godzilla
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HAW! HAW! HAW!
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Jahlove
Tied to the mast
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never can tell, can ya hon? ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Mertseger
Faerie Bard
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The Ship's finally kicking Max. out of the nest and giving him chance to grow up already? Cool. I know it's against his call and all, but that boy needs to get laid. May the Goddess bless his journey onward from here, and good job H & A's, as usual.
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The Body of Christ,
The Goddess of Body,
The Manifest Song of Faerie.
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Sir Pellinore
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Not sure whether 'getting laid' in itself ever enlightened anyone. If that were true those who had really screwed around would be the most mature. ![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif) I hope Max remains chaste and true to his call. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
Like everyone here, Max has pure gold within him. I wish him enormously well. God bless, Max. Keep on that pilgrim road! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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quote:
Originally posted by Sir Pellinore (ret'd):
Like everyone here, Max has pure gold within him.
More than some, Sir P.
Max., nil carborundum illegitimae.
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Where there is tea there is hope.
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QLib
Bad Example
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Originally posted by Sir Pellinore (ret'd):
Not sure whether 'getting laid' in itself ever enlightened anyone. If that were true those who had really screwed around would be the most mature.
That's your own false logic you're laughing at there, Pelly. Eating well is good for one's health - but those who eat the most aren't the healthiest.
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leo
Shipmate
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Originally posted by Mertseger:
The Ship's finally kicking Max. out of the nest and giving him chance to grow up already? Cool. I know it's against his call and all, but that boy needs to get laid. May the Goddess bless his journey onward from here, and good job H & A's, as usual.
I think we should mind our own business when it comes to young people's psycho-sexual development.
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Chorister
Completely Frocked
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Originally posted by RooK:
And I'm not changing my title. Because, really, by now the red maple leaf is synonymous with "spoiled asshole" anyway.
I'm finding it hard to keep up - who spoiled your asshole?
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Siegfried
Ship's ferret
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I missed it? ![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif) I'll echo Flausa and others--Max (and his prior named versions) have pushed every button at least twice.
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Life is just a bowl of cherries!
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Tubbs
Miss Congeniality
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quote:
Originally posted by Gwai:
I think Tubbs has been found out. She only seems to be an informative, helpful person. Really, in the light of the moon, she's a spoiled brat, clearly.
Damn. You found me out.
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jlg
What is this place?
Why am I here?
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Posted
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Originally posted by leo:
quote:
Originally posted by Mertseger:
The Ship's finally kicking Max. out of the nest and giving him chance to grow up already? Cool. I know it's against his call and all, but that boy needs to get laid. May the Goddess bless his journey onward from here, and good job H & A's, as usual.
I think we should mind our own business when it comes to young people's psycho-sexual development.
leo, having dealt with Max. over the years, I completely agree with you about this.
People, just shut up and let it go. Max. is banned but that doesn't mean he isn't reading all this crap. OK?
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Tubbs
Miss Congeniality
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quote:
Originally posted by leo:
quote:
Originally posted by Mertseger:
The Ship's finally kicking Max. out of the nest and giving him chance to grow up already? Cool. I know it's against his call and all, but that boy needs to get laid. May the Goddess bless his journey onward from here, and good job H & A's, as usual.
I think we should mind our own business when it comes to young people's psycho-sexual development.
Indeed. Enough already.
Tubbs
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Sir Pellinore
Quester Emeritus
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Originally posted by QLib:
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Originally posted by Sir Pellinore (ret'd):
Not sure whether 'getting laid' in itself ever enlightened anyone. If that were true those who had really screwed around would be the most mature.
That's your own false logic you're laughing at there, Pelly. Eating well is good for one's health - but those who eat the most aren't the healthiest.
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
Dressed for Church
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Oh, I don't know about that. Julia Child for one was pretty well ripened when the Lord finally plucked her out of the garden.
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Organ Builder
Shipmate
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quote:
Originally posted by Amanda B. Reckondwythe:
...Julia Child for one was pretty well ripened when the Lord finally plucked her out of the garden.
I'm not so sure if that was "ripened" or "pickled".
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Amanda B. Reckondwythe
Dressed for Church
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![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif)
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IngoB
Sentire cum Ecclesia
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Clearly, our overlords have done an outstanding job here, as always...
Now, some light mood music, perhaps?
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pjkirk
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To comment on the OP,
While the Ship as a whole is strongly Anglican-of-some-persuasion, it also has a much broader range of perspectives than any I have run across before. It really runs the gamut from clergy, to theologian, those questioning their Christianity (where I count myself now), those who have given it up, and some cohort from almost every representative group (or very non-representative, as it may be).
Yes, there's a strong bias, but in Purg and Hell, where I mostly lurk, it isn't overbearing (once I figure out the lingo). It is people giving their opinion, but not parading it as The Way, which makes it more than palatable.
This is also the only board where I can have some faith that most posters words are backed by often decades of pondering, learning, and thought on the issues. The level of conversation here, even when it gets stupid, is higher than any other non-specialist place I've found on the internet, while retaining a sense of humor.
So, would it be nice to see a bit more variety yet? Sure, perhaps. There's nothing about the current variety though that makes the Ship a less-than-tempting URL to type into my browser.
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