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Originally posted by mousethief:
To wildly paraphrase the main point of the book: if someone really loves a book, reads it over and over, gushes about it -- they're probably seeing something you don't, and the book is not a "bad" book, and you should STFU about it and not slam it.
Unless it's by Ayn Rand.
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Originally posted by Dafyd:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
To wildly paraphrase the main point of the book: if someone really loves a book, reads it over and over, gushes about it -- they're probably seeing something you don't, and the book is not a "bad" book, and you should STFU about it and not slam it.
Unless it's by Ayn Rand.
His thesis does admit of exceptions, it is true.
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Indeed.
I did not, in point of fact, even know for certain that Tori Amos had created any songs other than the rather-catchy "Conrflake Girl" until I just a few years ago. After hearing that a new Hellhost considered himself a fan, it seemed like a sufficiently adamant claim to inquire further - turns out that Myra is actually quite lovely and talented¹.
That's not the point. The point, as comet tried vainly to demonstrate, is to find a soft spot - a window into the beating heart of someone's fundamental self - and NYUK NYUK that motherfucker right in the eyes. It's funny, and done among certain kinds of creatures afflicted with too thick of a metaphysical hide can actually be a mark of camaraderie.
[Touches finger to discreet mic in ear.]
I'm being told that all this is entirely too obvious, and that you're all mindless babble-bots programmed to simulate what cannibalistic mealworms would converse about over dinner.
[Rips out earpiece in disgust.]
Fine. I'm going to quietly ban one of you, and see if any of the others notice.
¹ If you're into that sort of thing. I'm more of a Meg Myers and Deadmau5 kind of guy.
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orfeo
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Originally posted by RooK:
the rather-catchy "Conrflake Girl"
Tragically edited down, of course, for the single/video. Sigh. At least it still has the best part of the piano jam.
Meanwhile, rather like the Meg Myers clip I was forced to check out as a Hellhost. Not so sure about the other one. Chopin's funeral march mucked about with...
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Oh good. I'll just go back and change those links to pron.
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You're really having a problem with putting the letter 'R' in the right place today, mister. Maybe if you were using both hands to type it would help.
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Originally posted by RooK:
Oh good. I'll just go back and change those links to pron.
So I have to check the links twice, just to make sure.
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fletcher christian
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Poor Meg must have been standing in a cold room for that video.
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IngoB
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Originally posted by mousethief:
It's not that what you say is lost on me, but that I despise it. ... Except your thing on the philosophy thread. That was spot-on.
That's you in a nutshell. Philosophical Jekyll and PMS Hyde.
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Originally posted by RooK:
I'm more of a Meg Myers and Deadmau5 kind of guy.
Nipples and loops?
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Ariston
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Originally posted by RooK:
Oh good. I'll just go back and change those links to pron.
That'd be too obvious. I'm guessing Philip Glass.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by IngoB:
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Originally posted by mousethief:
It's not that what you say is lost on me, but that I despise it. ... Except your thing on the philosophy thread. That was spot-on.
That's you in a nutshell. Philosophical Jekyll and PMS Hyde.
In other words I'm interesting and complex and you're monotone and dull. I can live with that. Oh, and you can't take a compliment for shit. Comes of not being fully human, I'm guessing.
Oh, and nice misogyny, by the way. Good to see your universal hatred of the human race includes women as a special case.
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Originally posted by Ariston:
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Originally posted by RooK:
Oh good. I'll just go back and change those links to pron.
That'd be too obvious. I'm guessing Philip Glass.
Not that! I'll talk! I'll talk!
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Originally posted by fletcher christian:
Poor Meg must have been standing in a cold room for that video.
I'm more interested in the dark place she was in when she wrote it, but I see your points.
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Originally posted by RooK:
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Originally posted by fletcher christian:
Poor Meg must have been standing in a cold room for that video.
I'm more interested in the dark place she was in when she wrote it, but I see your points.
We all saw her points...
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Originally posted by mousethief:
In other words I'm interesting and complex and you're monotone and dull.
I guess from the professional perspective of a psychiatrist that is true. But then I prefer to write scientific articles, rather than have them written about me.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
Oh, and you can't take a compliment for shit. Comes of not being fully human, I'm guessing.
So to compliment your wife you say things like "I hate everything about the way you look - except for your nose, which is lovely"? And when she doesn't seem to appreciate the compliment about her nose, you consider her subhuman? I guess that's part of what makes you interesting and complex.
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Oh, and nice misogyny, by the way. Good to see your universal hatred of the human race includes women as a special case.
You are the one doing all the despising around here. My general misanthropy is more of the grumbling and lamenting kind - though it is indeed differentiated into misogyny and misandry, since men and women tend to vex me in different ways. No, I was going for an alliteration with "philosophical" there, and if the word somehow suggested your literal and metaphorical lack of balls, then all the better.
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mousethief
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You are the one doing all the despising around here.
Nope. Accusing a man of having PMS is doubly sexist. First it's PMS-shaming, which is sexist, and second, it's trying to insult a man by insinuating he's a woman, or like a woman, which is sexist.
You're a filthy pig.
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To be fair, he's one of the few people not talking about Meg's tits.
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IngoB
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Originally posted by mousethief:
Accusing a man of having PMS is doubly sexist. First it's PMS-shaming, which is sexist, and second, it's trying to insult a man by insinuating he's a woman, or like a woman, which is sexist.
Fine, but in my defence it is difficult to slam your over-emotional, baseless and vicious bouts of hysteria as succinctly (three letters!) without reference to cultural stereotypes. I could call you a barking mad chihuahua on angel dust, or something. But that's probably speciesism. And mean to addicts.
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To be fair, he's one of the few people not talking about Meg's tits.
To be really fair, I was just a crosspost behind the first mention of the Meg's iced goods, cf. here. To be even fairer, I'm sure Meg and her video producer knew exactly what they were doing...
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
To be fair, he's one of the few people not talking about Meg's tits.
I saw nothing. Mostly because after the first 15 seconds or so I was paying attention to the music and flicking between other tabs on Firefox. But shame on you all.
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I saw nothing. Mostly because after the first 15 seconds or so I was paying attention to the music and flicking between other tabs on Firefox.
How interesting. I can see the publication right now: "Boob blindness: lack of saccades to prominent nipples and reduced mammary awareness in homosexual men". That should be hilariously high impact, heck, Nature will probably run a video feature on it. Oh, and easiest recruitment drive ever, at least for the heterosexual control group. I'm off to the Psychology department...
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orfeo
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Or it could just be I'm passionate about music.
In fact, your constant attempts to make this thread about something other than the red-haired goddess of the keyboard are pissing me off.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
In fact, your constant attempts to make this thread about something other than the red-haired goddess of the keyboard are pissing me off.
You were trying to talk about comet? I didn't realise that...
I thought this was about a doughnut-shaped minor OT prophet. My apologies.
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![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif) ![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif)
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Originally posted by RooK:
And I suppose that, in context, I should point out that the beloved Porsche got sold to fund some uninsured¹ dental surgeries for the wife. I'm hoping to start saving up for a Tesla P85D after the kids are both out of daycare.
True love, indeed! The Nurse is a lucky woman.
So tell me, darling, just how domesticated are you now?
Ford Taurus? Subaru?
Wait, don't tell me you've gone full minivan? Say it ain't so!
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Originally posted by comet:
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Originally posted by RooK:
And I suppose that, in context, I should point out that the beloved Porsche got sold to fund some uninsured¹ dental surgeries for the wife. I'm hoping to start saving up for a Tesla P85D after the kids are both out of daycare.
True love, indeed! The Nurse is a lucky woman.
So tell me, darling, just how domesticated are you now?
Ford Taurus? Subaru?
Wait, don't tell me you've gone full minivan? Say it ain't so!
Please. In PDX, you get one of these
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Even better. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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orfeo
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Originally posted by IngoB:
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Originally posted by orfeo:
In fact, your constant attempts to make this thread about something other than the red-haired goddess of the keyboard are pissing me off.
You were trying to talk about comet? I didn't realise that...
I thought this was about a doughnut-shaped minor OT prophet. My apologies.
See, NOW I'm happy. First because comet is a way better choice than whatever bickering you've had going on. Second because you just referenced one of the best songs.
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Originally posted by orfeo:
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Originally posted by IngoB:
You were trying to talk about comet? I didn't realise that... I thought this was about a doughnut-shaped minor OT prophet. My apologies.
See, NOW I'm happy. First because comet is a way better choice than whatever bickering you've had going on. Second because you just referenced one of the best songs.
Yes, who can forget that song...
Yellow matter custard dripping from a dead dog's eye
Crabalocker fishwife pornographic priestess
Boy you been a naughty girl, you let your knickers down
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen
I am the doughnut-shaped minor OT prophet, goo goo goo Job
It's just catchy.
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orfeo
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Happy for you, and I am sure that I hate you.
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Originally posted by comet:
just how domesticated are you now?
Pretty fucking domesticated, to be honest. My company E-class sports a pair of kid seats, and the aft half of the vehicle is stuffed with a surprising amount of kid detritus - regardless of how constantly I seem to be scooping it out.
I'm also half-heartedly selling my BMW motorcycle, primarily because most of the riding around PDX sucks, and I just don't have the time to make forays to windy roads like I used to.
Though, I do still have my extra-manly 1984 Toyota pickup (22R!), which is used pretty frequently to haul my Devinci Dixon up to the gnar.
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Originally posted by RooK:
Though, I do still have my extra-manly 1984 Toyota pickup (22R!), which is used pretty frequently to haul my Devinci Dixon up to the gnar.
I always suspected you were going downhill fast.
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RooK, you should be banned post haste for posting non-worksafe content. Seriously, my favorite obscure (can't get Devincis anywhere in the mid-Atlantic...well, except for the CaBi bikes they manufacture) mountain bike brand? Unfair. So unfair.
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I'm still a bit saddened that they now out-source for frames. I mean, it makes sense, as carbon forming is hard to develop independently. But I cherish my hydroformed aluminum bike partially because I know some Canuckistanni nerds made it all themselves.
And it's still light enough to hover.
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It never was the cars (and guitars) that came between us.
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Wow, I am learning so much about music, bikes and cars on this thread.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Wow, I am learning so much about music, bikes and cars on this thread.
About as much as you can learn about trains and boats and planes from the Dionne Warwick song of that title.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Wow, I am learning so much about music, bikes and cars on this thread.
About as much as you can learn about trains and boats and planes from the Dionne Warwick song of that title.
You can learn lots of plant names from what is arguably Tori's most bizarre song.
EDIT: Though without a good pair of speakers/headphones you might find it's easier to read the lyrics instead.
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That... is pretty hot.
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and I get flack for raising something edumacational around here!
Tori Amos! Seriously! Tori Amos!
Out of the whole spectrum of poor singers and "bands" with a bit of a back-catalogue to hate, you pick Tori Amos?
I thought you had class!
well, I'll see your Tori fucking boring no-name - Amos and raise your paedophile extraordinaire Michael Jackson.
Now he is worth slagging off.
Or Miss Amy Whine-house, - the diva of the underprivileged, under-represented, angst ridden tossers who used to hang around the local Spar of an evening. The voice of... oh, I don't know... glue-sniffing or having kids to get a council flat or something.
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and I get flack for raising something edumacational around here!
Actually you get flak for not having a clue. About spelling, about viable topics for Hell threads, about hosting changes that happened absolutely ages ago, or about the context here.
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Yeah, comet hasn't been a host since last Ash Wednesday. There's cluelessness, and then there's that.
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Oh Patdys. Dear, naive Patdys. The conversation would go something like this.
orfeo: Comet, you're no longer a Host.
comet: Damn straight! YIPPPPPEEEEEE!!!!!
Whether or not comet is a badass who can make lesser Shipmates quake in their boots is an entirely separate question.
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Nearly caught him in Sydney a few days after Tori. He was once her support act, you know. Probably the best support act she ever had.
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Well, looks like I've been away too long. looks like the damn hockey puck has gone soft, like a suburban father, which he should be of course.
I hate Tori Amos except for that one song ---"Cornflake Girl" so I'm very sad that I have to be sort of an agreement to this thread. It would be nice if he would have posted he hates Duran Duran or something like that cuz then I could have really done a better job doing my second post on ship of fools in 2015...
[ETA: CORN FLAKES.]
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Oh, yawn. I do love it when people turn up to mention the only Tori Amos song they know. Especially when they say "I hate Tori Amos except for the only song I can remember".
You could at least make the effort to tell me how much you hate Silent All These Years, or Winter, or Crucify, or God, or Caught A Lite Sneeze, or Spark, to at least give me some sign that you actually know enough to distinguish Cornflake Girl as the particular song you like out of the ones you heard on the radio in the 1990s.
But no. We remember one song. It was a hit and had an easy to remember title. But the other 234 original compositions I've currently got on an iTunes playlist? You hate 'em all. And let's not get you started on the covers, right?
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I do so love to see orfeo's automagical push-button winder-upper working so flawlessly.
Perhaps we can break the news to him that Tori Amos would most likely hate his guts should she ever accidentally suffer his company...?
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orfeo
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Last time I saw her, she gave me a hug. I swear.
Also, if you think this thread is "winding me up"... it's more like a favourite chew toy. I get to combine the snarkiness of being a permanent resident of Hell with talking about one of my very favourite subjects AND almost certainly knowing more about that subject than anyone else around here.
[ 03. January 2015, 07:55: Message edited by: orfeo ]
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Technology has brought us all closer together. Turns out a lot of the people you meet as a result are complete idiots.
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[pats orfeo on head]
Sure, big fella. It's OK.
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