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Source: (consider it) Thread: Russ, you are either incredibly stupid or a Trolling Bigot
Golden Key
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Russ--

What about all the horrible ways the Irish have been treated, over hundreds of years (at least)? Was/is that ok? Is it permissible for non-Irish to treat the Irish that way?

Respectfully, I've asked this several ways, on several threads. TTBOMK, you've never answered the questions. Please answer this time.

Thanks!

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chris stiles
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I'm starting to see his contributions as little more than attempting to give himself some moral basis for being a complete ****.
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mr cheesy
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Conclusion: he's a trolling bigot.

I'm not sure exactly what game he is playing or why - but surely only a complete and utter turd claims that something is "biblical" when in the same sentence saying something that is clearly not biblical.

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It's easy, over time, to justify believing a lie. Not to notice that that is what you're doing. I'm wondering now what lies I have convinced myself are truths.

[Frown]

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mr cheesy
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quote:
Originally posted by Erroneous Monk:
It's easy, over time, to justify believing a lie. Not to notice that that is what you're doing. I'm wondering now what lies I have convinced myself are truths.

[Frown]

The worry isn't just that Russ has "believed a lie", but rather that his position is so bloody stupid that it can only be put forward by someone whose only intention is to wind up others.

His assertions are paper thin. His arguments from biblical authority are so faulty that even a basic knowledge shows that they're completely wrong. His assertions of Christian orthodoxy are simply shown by referring (for example) to an authority such as Rome.

Of course, he can disagree with Rome, he can disagree with an interpretation of the bible, he can argue how other's arguments are wrong.

But of course he does none of those things, instead stubbornly ignoring anyone who puts forward other views and refusing to engage with any of these points - preferring instead to just repeat his POV as if that alone is somehow an argument.

That's not the behaviour of someone who has, in time, persuaded themselves of a lie. That's the behaviour of a schoolboy sniggering behind a bikeshed and waiting to see how many more stupid Christians he can wind up on a bulletin board.

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And you, mr cheesy, are his number one windee.

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mr cheesy
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Er yeah, I think it has taken me a while to get to this point - having tried to engage with a number of different arguments and angles he put forwards.

But you're right, I could have more profitably invested time in something else.

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quote:
Originally posted by Erroneous Monk:
It's easy, over time, to justify believing a lie. Not to notice that that is what you're doing. I'm wondering now what lies I have convinced myself are truths.

[Frown]

Not always a lie, but it's very easy to create your own echo chamber. Everything you read and the people you talk too all reinforce your own world-view about x and y. Anything that doesn't fit is dismissed as wrong or from an unreliable source. Or in need of correcting.

[ETA: Once someone's got to that point, they're so invested that it's almost impossible to get them to shift. However finely honed your arguments or the existence of actual facts]

Tubbs

[ 22. November 2017, 11:54: Message edited by: Tubbs ]

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quote:
Originally posted by mr cheesy:
That's not the behaviour of someone who has, in time, persuaded themselves of a lie.

Sure it is. Confirmation bias is a powerful force.

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Sioni Sais
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quote:
Originally posted by Tubbs:


[ETA: Once someone's got to that point, they're so invested that it's almost impossible to get them to shift. However finely honed your arguments or the existence of actual facts]

Tubbs

It's what the DH board is for.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
quote:
Originally posted by Tubbs:


[ETA: Once someone's got to that point, they're so invested that it's almost impossible to get them to shift. However finely honed your arguments or the existence of actual facts]

Tubbs

It's what the DH board is for.
It applies to almost anything, not just the usual suspects [Biased]

Tubbs

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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
quote:
Originally posted by mr cheesy:
That's not the behaviour of someone who has, in time, persuaded themselves of a lie.

Sure it is. Confirmation bias is a powerful force.
It is. But, as I have mentioned before, he took off the pretence in a Hell thread previously.
Even if he hadn't, it would be near impossible to hit every twisting beat as consistently as he does without intent.
He is a trolling POS who enjoys winding people up.

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It's like a fucking scab. You know you'll regret picking it, but it itches and itches and itches until you succomb.

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quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
It's like a fucking scab. You know you'll regret picking it, but it itches and itches and itches until you succomb.

It’s perfectly possible to train yourself to ignore itching.

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quote:
Originally posted by mr cheesy:
Er yeah, I think it has taken me a while to get to this point - having tried to engage with a number of different arguments and angles he put forwards.

But you're right, I could have more profitably invested time in something else.

Couldn't we all...

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quote:
Originally posted by Martin60:
Couldn't we all...

Pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot.

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[ 24. November 2017, 09:03: Message edited by: balaam ]

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quote:
Originally posted by Boogie:
quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
It's like a fucking scab. You know you'll regret picking it, but it itches and itches and itches until you succomb.

It’s perfectly possible to train yourself to ignore itching.
But where's the fun in that?

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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Roger me sideways with a prize-winning marrow. This is *still* going on.

Russ, you're wronger than a wrong thing. Your arse has been handed you on a plate so often it must have gone off and been chucked out double-bagged straight into the outside bin by now. But you still don't get it. I'm not sure if it's pride, bloody-mindedness or stupidity.

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quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
Roger me sideways with a prize-winning marrow. This is *still* going on.

Because other Shipmates are *still* replying, as if there's some chance it might get anywhere.

You would have thought the months of Russ holding court in Dead Horses would've given people a clue, but no, now the whole exercise of witnessing Russ removing the hind legs from any donkey that gets too close is being played out again.

And yes, I was one of the donkeys that wandered in. In my defense it was after I'd been away from the Ship for a while. Once I got my bearings I realised my mistake.

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Russ is trolling the boards. I really don’t see any other conclusion. Other than a difference in style, I don’t see a substantive difference between him and beano or romanlyin

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quote:
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
Russ is trolling the boards. I really don’t see any other conclusion. Other than a difference in style, I don’t see a substantive difference between him and beano or romanlyin

He's less outwardly offensive, but the motive and effect is much the same.

None of them would behave like this in a face-to-face debate. They are too cowardly.

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Some forums like having a few trolls around, as they acts as chew-toys. I can recall a few atheist sites which tended to attract theists, who would tilt at them, and the atheists obviously enjoyed saying, what utter bilge. But these are not all trolls of course.

I often enjoy reading fundamentalists, for some odd reason. It's like reading a study of some recondite areas of entomology.

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quote:
Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
Roger me sideways with a prize-winning marrow.

You may owe me a keyboard. [Biased]

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quote:
Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
But these are not all trolls of course.

This is true and one can troll someyimes without being a troll all the time.
It isn't Russ' contrary opinions that earn him the label. It is his MO. He deliberately twists what people say in order to misrepresent them, even to the point of contradicting himself. Once or twice might be pure stupidity, but the consistency of this tactic suggests deliberate intent.

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quote:
Originally posted by orfeo:
... And yes, I was one of the donkeys that wandered in. In my defense it was after I'd been away from the Ship for a while. Once I got my bearings I realised my mistake.

Don't feel too bad - after all, there's a chance that people other than Russ are also reading. People who may share his idiotic notions but have a couple of brain cells to rub together and may be persuadable.

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lilBuddha
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He also does make an effort to keep people engaged. As an example by deliberately contradicting himself and making points that actually refute his premise,* as he has done in his latest post in the progressive thread.
It is very tempting to point it out, but it is just a further draw into his trap.

ETA: One almost has to admire his dedication to the troll.

[ 17. December 2017, 16:12: Message edited by: lilBuddha ]

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Meanwhile, on the "Is Gold a myth?" thread...
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I wish I understood economics better.
So do we, Russ. It might stop your parade of ignorance for a few minutes.

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Please don't feed the Vogon, he will read you some more of his bloody awful poetry and then you'll be sorry.

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...though, in "The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy", the unexpected solution to that situation was to blithely praise the Vogon's poetry.
[Cool]

Not suggesting that, but it was a good scene.

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quote:
Originally posted by Doc Tor:
Meanwhile, on the "Is Gold a myth?" thread...
quote:
I wish I understood economics better.
So do we, Russ. It might stop your parade of ignorance for a few minutes.
It's not the only topic. If Russ went away and studied the subjects he doesn't understand to about level 101, we'd never hear from him again.

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If only there was some surefire way of ensuring this...

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He must sense a lessening of engagement as here he sets bait to ensnare the wily progressive-liberal.

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Yes, good spot. 'Would you agree?', the classic line from the troll, trying to suck people in. The trouble is, trolls are very tedious, so I suppose they have to suck in new victims.

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quote:
Originally posted by Golden Key:
...though, in "The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy", the unexpected solution to that situation was to blithely praise the Vogon's poetry.
[Cool]

Not suggesting that, but it was a good scene.

Didn't work, though. Like most extended lies, Arthur couldn't keep it coming with wholeheartedness and consistency.

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Lyda--

Well, you want to quibble! [Biased]

I went to double-check, and ISTM Ford sure did his share of messing up (Clivebanks).

Fortunately, the Heart of Gold was passing by. [Smile]

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He's running some line of "Goodwill and sympathy" now. As per usual he professes to have these virtues but hedges them round in such a supercilious and patronising manner that he might as well not bother. Not that he actually does of course.

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In Russlish, "goodwill" means "tough love" and is a good thing, and "sympathy" is an excuse to cover up envy and spite.

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People are still trying to debate with Russ on his "Social-Progressive mindset" thread, but they should know better for it is like wrestling with a pig: While the pig enjoys it, you just get dirty.

Find some thing useful to do people and leave him to his intellectual masturbation.

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Yes, it's interesting that people like Russ tend to suck people in, and draw them into long discussions, when in fact, they seem to be spinning them along, and creating a kind of gaslighting atmosphere. But then this is seductive, isn't it?

Well, it's not as strong as gaslighting in the traditional sense of making you doubt your sanity, as in the film 'Gaslight', but continually putting forward false premises.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
People are still trying to debate with Russ on his "Social-Progressive mindset" thread, but they should know better for it is like wrestling with a pig: While the pig enjoys it, you just get dirty.

Find some thing useful to do people and leave him to his intellectual masturbation.

Agreed, except that I’d add the word ‘pseudo’ before ‘intellectual ‘.

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quote:
Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Yes, it's interesting that people like Russ tend to suck people in, and draw them into long discussions...

On the positive side, I think it shows a great deal of charity from some shipmates. I think my charity has run out.

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Doc Tor
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Russ: You can't possibly think this is racist.

Everyone: Bloody hell, that's racist.

R: But what if I put it like this?

E: Still racist.

R: But you're not getting why it's not racist.

E: Probably because it's glaringly racist.

R: But I'm not a racist.

E: Still looks pretty racist to us.

R: But if I'm not a racist, it can't be racist.

E: Not the way it works.

R: So... it isn't racist at all then.

E: Still racist.

(and so on)

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lilBuddha
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quote:
Originally posted by Erroneous Monk:
quote:
Originally posted by quetzalcoatl:
Yes, it's interesting that people like Russ tend to suck people in, and draw them into long discussions...

On the positive side, I think it shows a great deal of charity from some shipmates. I think my charity has run out.
He is a troll. However, if some non-troll who think along the lines of one of his many lines of mis-reason sees the counter-arguments and understands, the thread might do some good.

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If it's not here soon, I might be done
No it won't be too soon 'til I say goodnight moon

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Curiosity killed ...

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Because this is something that other recent posters have been picked up on, of Russ's last 50 posts, showing his posting history from 4 January, he has posted 44 times on the The social-progressive mindset and 6 single posts on different threads (11, 17, 21 and 29 January, two on 10 February). That looks as if he's only really engaging in his own threads and ideas.

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lilBuddha
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Martin has found Russ' new sig:

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Wrong.
Morally wrong.
Morally, psychopathically bankrupt.



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So goodnight moon, I want the sun
If it's not here soon, I might be done
No it won't be too soon 'til I say goodnight moon

- A. N. Parsley, D. Mcvinni

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