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quetzalcoatl
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Originally posted by Boogie:
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Originally posted by art dunce:
These guys sell manly skirts.
Excellent for improving the sperm count ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
I also recommend the ice-spurred special for that; don't skimp on the ice though.
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger:
Tranny, cross-dresser, transvestite, trans* - it's all too confusing.
Can't we just all be people and to hell with labels?
But, if we did away with the labels how would Desert Daughter know who to find offensive? She clearly needs to put people into little boxes and gets confused when someone doesn't fit her scheme.
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We all put labels on everyone. For the most part they're useful, it's part of our nature to do so even. The arguments usually start when we decide how many labels and their definitions.
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It's just that labels about gender seem to arouse strong feelings in some people. In one sense, I can see why, since such categories as male/female and masculine/feminine are part of our social structure. On the other hand, it does seem a massive over-reaction to a bloke in a dress. A woman in a pair of jeans and a shirt doesn't seem to cause the same accusations of depravity, except maybe in very conservative circles.
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Desert Daughter
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
But, if we did away with the labels how would Desert Daughter know who to find offensive?
..."whom to find offensive", dear.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by Desert Daughter:
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
But, if we did away with the labels how would Desert Daughter know who to find offensive?
..."whom to find offensive", dear.
Oh shit she's a grammar nazi as well. Listen, DD, "whom" is virtually obsolete in unaffected UK spoken English, m'kay?
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Alan Cresswell
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I don't really care. It's more important to me that I learn enough Japanese to communicate than satisfying the vagaries of English grammar, as long as I've communicated what I wanted to say.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by Ad Orientem:
Er, no it isn't.
Yes it is. You might use it, but the vast majority of people do not.
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
Listen, DD, "whom" is virtually obsolete in unaffected UK spoken English, m'kay?
That may or may not be true, but I thought SoF users communicated via the written, not the spoken, word? Or are there hidden features to this website that I haven't yet unlocked?
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quetzalcoatl
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I think Karl is right. To say 'whom did you meet last night?', strikes me as very conservative today; most people would say 'who'.
Although in parts of the US, 'whom' is still quite common, I think.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by Anglican't:
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
Listen, DD, "whom" is virtually obsolete in unaffected UK spoken English, m'kay?
That may or may not be true, but I thought SoF users communicated via the written, not the spoken, word? Or are there hidden features to this website that I haven't yet unlocked?
It's a matter of register, Anglican't. As Quetz says, "whom" is pretty formal. It's the sort of thing you might use in a formal essay or Times column; It seems a bit stilted to me in informal communication like a bulletin board. Most people would have to make a conscious effort to use it.
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Desert Daughter
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
[Oh shit she's a grammar nazi as well.
Don't call me a Nazi. Ever. ![[Mad]](angryfire.gif)
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quetzalcoatl
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I was just having a look around various writers, and 'whom' seems to be dying out in the US as well, where I thought it had hung on; whereas in the UK, it is almost gone.
Just think of:
Who are you going to invite to the party?
Whom are you going to invite to the party?
The second one to me is so odd, that it would raise eye-brows.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by Desert Daughter:
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
[Oh shit she's a grammar nazi as well.
Don't call me a Nazi. Ever.
I didn't. I called you a grammar Nazi. You can play the faux outrage game if you like but no-one believes you.
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
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Originally posted by Desert Daughter:
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
[Oh shit she's a grammar nazi as well.
Don't call me a Nazi. Ever.
I didn't. I called you a grammar Nazi. You can play the faux outrage game if you like but no-one believes you.
He didn't. He called you a grammar Nazi, which is a different thing altogether and which it appears you are.
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Alan Cresswell
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Is it possible to be a semi literate grammar Nazi? To be a stickler for the correct use of the apostrophe and who/whom (according to the rules of grammar at one moment in time, usually not the present) yet still unable to read for comprehension?
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Originally posted by Alan Cresswell:
I don't really care. It's more important to me that I learn enough Japanese to communicate than satisfying the vagaries of English grammar, as long as I've communicated what I wanted to say.
Ahem. '...than to satisfy the vagaries...'
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Transvestite/tranny/cross-dresser, who/whom and now whether one can use the term "grammar Nazi". What the Hell is Hell coming to?
I presume everyone who is even remotely interested can understand the posts on this dog of a thread, even if they don't like the words used?
Now move along, there's nothing to see.
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Originally posted by Desert Daughter:
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
[Oh shit she's a grammar nazi as well.
Don't call me a Nazi. Ever.
So it's ok for you to be monstrously offensive but you can't accept a wee jibe at yourself. That's fair. Makes you look like a completely hypocritical fucknugget whose head is firmly inserted into the arsehole of a dead badger. If that's the look you're going for, well done.
Personally I preferred the look of the winner of Eurovision. At least she is what she is instead of being a pathetic piece of shite that requires the whole shoe to be squashed into landfill instead of being wiped clean.
You disgust me. Who are you to define what normal is? Who gave you that right? It is only a very small step from deciding someone isn't normal to deciding someone should be harassed to deciding someone should be banned and further down the road to, oh you know what, the sort of behaviour that Nazism displayed. They took against so called decadence too.
So who is allowed to perform in public without upsetting you, pathetic little flower? Aren't people in wheelchairs disgusting? They shouldn't be on telly. The mentally ill, they're unnatural. Gay people with their decadent lifestyles.
Wind your neck in, listen to yourself and then fuck the fuck off.
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Gee D
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Originally posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger:
Tranny, cross-dresser, transvestite, trans* - it's all too confusing.
Can't we just all be people and to hell with labels?
Or to take Jade's perspective, for whom would we know to stand up were we not to apply a label - and then a damning label for all those who did toe the line.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Rosa Winkel:
Surely DD was trying to show some humour with the "don't call me a Nazi" thing. I don't assume intelligent thinking behind all posts here, but she can't be that stupid.
DD is far from stupid but has she any form for humour? See profile and posts passim
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Matt Black
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Originally posted by Rosa Winkel:
Surely DD was trying to show some humour with the "don't call me a Nazi" thing. I don't assume intelligent thinking behind all posts here, but she can't be that stupid.
Not with a after it, surely?
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Originally posted by Rosa Winkel:
Surely DD was trying to show some humour with the "don't call me a Nazi" thing. I don't assume intelligent thinking behind all posts here, but she can't be that stupid.
Past postings say she can be. And is, bless her heart.
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Rosa Winkel
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Originally posted by Matt Black:
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Originally posted by Rosa Winkel:
Surely DD was trying to show some humour with the "don't call me a Nazi" thing. I don't assume intelligent thinking behind all posts here, but she can't be that stupid.
Not with a after it, surely?
It was that that made me think that she was taking the piss. To be fair, she's one of the posters who I scroll past (ever since her views on depression were made known) so I didn't notice her lack of humour.
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Originally posted by Desert Daughter:
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
[Oh shit she's a grammar nazi as well.
Don't call me a Nazi. Ever.
Only a Nazi would say that.
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Originally posted by RuthW:
Hell with the perfectly reasonable explanation, we want to see the pictures!
Any image that would send DD into an apoplectic fit of offense serves the greater good, IMO. And, by the way...
(preeens a little)
I have seen the pictures.*
SCORCHING.HOT.
You can be jealous, Ruth, that's ok; I will still love you.
*Assuming they are the pictures I think they are.
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Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
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Originally posted by Desert Daughter:
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Originally posted by Karl: Liberal Backslider:
[Oh shit she's a grammar nazi as well.
Don't call me a Nazi. Ever.
Nazi!
Nazi nazi nazi! Goose-steppin' xenophobic NAZI!
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
*Assuming they are the pictures I think they are.
Oh they are. There's also the pics of me wearing my thengirlfriend's miniskirt for the sake of free beer. Oh, and the ones of me in a dress and blonde wig in high school. Is it my fault that I like to screw with people's heads every once in a while and have absolutely no respect whatsoever for gender norms?
Yes, I've occasionally been known to cross-dress for a lark. I'm a heterosexual, cisgendered male who likes to fuck with people's heads and expectations. Put on a tutu, pink wig and hair bow for a bike race? Why of course they make me faster! Wear a miniskirt to the pub? The TGF enjoyed watching people check me out, then do a double take. Does this make me a transwoman? No. A drag queen? Not that either. An abomination against nature and a sign of the decline and fall of Western civ? As if.
If civilization can't take me, or anyone else, thinking I have a sense of humor and flipping the bird to gender norms, then it deserves to fall. A bit of genderfuckery does not a falling sky make.
And the same goes for everyone else too. At least doubly so for those who are transitioning or transitioned. If art and authenticity are the costs of civilization, then fuck it. Time to be free, with nothing to lose but our chains.
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Kelly Alves
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![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif) ![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif) ![[Yipee]](graemlins/spin.gif)
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Jesus loves me, this I know” of they don’t believe “Kelly loves me, this I know.”
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Arabella Purity Winterbottom
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Nice. Thank you Ariston.
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Ariston
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I'm going to assume you all are thanking me for not linking to the pictures.
For which, you are extremely welcome.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Ariston:
An abomination against nature and a sign of the decline and fall of Western civ? As if.
It is the white clown shoes after Labour Day, not the wig and tutu.
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I did a training course, on which now and again we did a drag evening. I have to report that after the initial giggles, it often became very sombre, as people got into all kinds of weird stuff, by pretending to be the opposite sex. I remember being pursued by a vengeful 'man' screaming at me, you twat, mum, why didn't you ever look at me, and I screamed back, but I did, I did, you were just scowling out the window all the time. Something like that, so I don't recommend it. But for most people, it was surprisingly easy to get into character, and for some this was scary.
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Rosa Winkel
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I was once leading a seminar where the participants organised a party, and they decided that it was to a cross-dressing party. I ended up in a short skirt with mascara on alone in my room with a Russian guy who was about to be volunteer in a former concentration camp, who was worried about it. It was somewhat bizarre to have him opening up to me (usually Russian males in my seminars are friendly while at the same time treat me like a teacher) in such a relatively tender setting. It's not often when I manage to give a "tell me your concerns" face.
I ended up losing my key to my bedroom, seeing as I had no pocket to put them in. Strangely enough, a girl chose that evening to come on to me; I believe it was the short skirt that set her off (that and the alcohol).
Perhaps the former story shows that a short skirt and mascara could be a useful prop in my work.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger:
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Originally posted by Ariston:
Oh they are. There's also the pics of me wearing my thengirlfriend's miniskirt for the sake of free beer.
Wait a minute...crossdressers get free beer?
It's not any miniskirt. Hers was one of those "wear me and win free beer!" skirts.
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Originally posted by Desert Daughter:
Don't call me a Nazi. Ever.
Perhaps if you stopped referring to other people as subhuman "monstrosit[ies]" and complaining about decadent (degenerate?) art, fewer people would draw the comparison.
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Ariston
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger:
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Originally posted by Ariston:
Oh they are. There's also the pics of me wearing my thengirlfriend's miniskirt for the sake of free beer.
Wait a minute...crossdressers get free beer?
It's not any miniskirt. Hers was one of those "wear me and win free beer!" skirts.
They do when their girlfriends are buying on the condition they wear skirts in public.
There's more to the story—I don't think she much cared for the skirt, hated that it showed her legs, didn't think I should either, thought this would get me to dislike it and its kin—but it kinda backfired.
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Gee D
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Originally posted by Ariston:
They do when their girlfriends are buying on the condition they wear skirts in public.
There's more to the story—I don't think she much cared for the skirt, hated that it showed her legs, didn't think I should either, thought this would get me to dislike it and its kin—but it kinda backfired.
What did you wear under it? I know nothing is worn under a kilt, but that's an ancient joke.
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So, thanks to Jane R in another thread, I'm now aware of this.
That's right folks. Far from being monstrous abominations, it turns out that bearded women can be saints. VENERATED.
Desert Daughter, your righteous moral indignation is looking more like unholy bigotry all the time.
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They can also be used as early warning systems according to Herodotus. In Book One of his "Histories" he says that the people of Pedasus were warned of impending disaster by the Priestess of Athene growing a beard: "a thing which actually happened on three occasions." (translation by Aubrey de Selincourt, p. 84 of the 1954 edition which unfortunately doesn't have line references). This was inexplicably omitted from the 2007 film 300, so not many people know about it. ![[Two face]](graemlins/scot_twoface.gif)
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Alan Cresswell
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Originally posted by orfeo:
So, thanks to Jane R in another thread, I'm now aware of this.
That's right folks. Far from being monstrous abominations, it turns out that bearded women can be saints. VENERATED.
Also, note the fiddler. Clearly indicating divine approval of bearded women in the music industry.
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mousethief
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Originally posted by orfeo:
So, thanks to Jane R in another thread, I'm now aware of this.
That's right folks. Far from being monstrous abominations, it turns out that bearded women can be saints. VENERATED.
Well, imaginary bearded women anyway.
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Why am I thinking about the stoning scene from The Life of Brian?
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Sorry for the double post - I'm not really but you have to say these things to fit in don't you - but I have to ask (and bear in mind I haven't read all of this tiresome thread), why would anyone watch the Eurovision song contest anyway?
Surely somebody dragging up a bit is the only way to liven up the limp, torpid drudgery?
If you want to listen to decent music then the ESC is the last place to look! Try putting a music DVD on. I suggest Stevie-Ray Vaughan Live at the El Mocombo (You Tube it to see what I mean). Or have a listen to a CD of some SS Drinking Songs. Now Hitler really knew how to put on a pan European show!
DD, if you're going to take on the mantle of ships token Nazi, then you need to embrace it; to wallow in it; to breathe it! You need to sup deeply at the wellspring... a bit of whinging about a bloke in a dress or punctuation won't get you there. It might get you published in the Daily Mail, but certainly not invited to the Combat 18 Summer Ball (Elephant & Castle Community Centre, 19th June, tickets £10 on the door, BYOB, buffet & raffle).
But I should be around for a bit now hopefully so you can watch me to see how it should be done. There will be a test later.
If you feel I'm taking the piss, I am, but mainly for watching the Eurovision song contest and not for being a Nazi.
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deano, I'm sorry to dampen your excitement at having found a soulmate, but DD was only accused of being a grammar Nazi. So, no more than a corporal in the Gerund army.
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