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Thread: Why do Gays have to 'come out'?
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Boogie
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Originally posted by Crœsos:
"Ex-gay" is a bit of a misnomer for those organizations. They're not about making gay people straight, just about keeping gay people celibate.
What an unkind, cruel and thoughtless thing to want to do ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
[ 08. April 2011, 19:18: Message edited by: Boogie ]
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ThunderBunk
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Originally posted by iGeek:
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Originally posted by FooloftheShip:
That's a distinction without a difference. The damage still stands.
Yes. And though I would agree that the nuance is slowly becoming more clear, people desperate to not be gay will read what they will into the not-so-clearly stated objectives of said ministries.
"Change is possible" is not particularly unambiguous, is it?
Only two changes are possible. Either you become effectively asexual or you attempt some kind of heterosexual role. Either way, it seems to me a curious disservice/ingratitude to your Creator.
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Dennis the Menace
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Originally posted by FooloftheShip:
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Originally posted by iGeek:
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Originally posted by FooloftheShip:
That's a distinction without a difference. The damage still stands.
Yes. And though I would agree that the nuance is slowly becoming more clear, people desperate to not be gay will read what they will into the not-so-clearly stated objectives of said ministries.
"Change is possible" is not particularly unambiguous, is it?
Only two changes are possible. Either you become effectively asexual or you attempt some kind of heterosexual role. Either way, it seems to me a curious disservice/ingratitude to your Creator.
How true!!
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Crœsos
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An interesting illustration of "Why do Gays have to 'come out'?" from Louis Martinelli, an important figure in the anti-gay National Organization for Marriage. The piece is simply titled "I now support full marriage equality" (website seems slow), and unlike a lot of NOM's writings this is an actual change of heart, not a semantic game of the 'gays can marry . . . opposite sex partners' type. The key seems to have been getting to know actual gay people and realizing they're just like everyone else. A key paragraph:
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At that point, between what I had witnessed on the marriage tour and RJ’s post about marriage equality, I really came to understand that gays and lesbians were just real people who wanted to live real lives and be treated equally as opposed to, for example, wanting to destroy American culture. No, they didn’t want to destroy American culture, they wanted to openly particulate in it. I was well on my way to becoming a supporter of civil marriage equality. You can read my statement retracting the statements I made about gays and lesbians here
The whole thing is worth a read, though the website seems to be problematic.
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