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Clint Boggis
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All this bread-related talk is getting silly.
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Originally posted by Corfe:
All this bread-related talk is getting silly.
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Let he who is Bradworthy cast the first scone.
I know ... Mankind cannot live on bread alone, even barmcakes,baps,rolls or scones won't do it.
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I grew up in St Helens and it was always a barm cake to us.
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Originally posted by Gill B:
I grew up in St Helens
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Amorya
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Talking of things that pretend to be cakes... did you know that Jaffa Cakes are so called to avoid the tax on biscuits? Yes, the UK issues tax on biscuits (which are a luxury), but not on cake (which is apparently a staple food item )
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kentishmaid
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In East Kent bread rolls always used to be known as huffkins. I have a recipe for them somewhere, and they taste very nice indeed - quite creamy if you can imagine that in a bread.
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Originally posted by Amorya:
Talking of things that pretend to be cakes... did you know that Jaffa Cakes are so called to avoid the tax on biscuits? Yes, the UK issues tax on biscuits (which are a luxury), but not on cake (which is apparently a staple food item )
I think they proved they really were small cakes in court. The trick is that biscuits go soft with age, cakes go hard. And Jaffa Cakes go hard - they won the case. Hurrah!
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by Inspector Hovis:
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Originally posted by Amorya:
Talking of things that pretend to be cakes... did you know that Jaffa Cakes are so called to avoid the tax on biscuits? Yes, the UK issues tax on biscuits (which are a luxury), but not on cake (which is apparently a staple food item )
I think they proved they really were small cakes in court. The trick is that biscuits go soft with age, cakes go hard. And Jaffa Cakes go hard - they won the case. Hurrah!
Yes folks! And the manufacturers also had someone make some Jaffa Cakes at about "cake" size and, well, they looked like cakes, not big biscuits.
So bad for Customs & Excise (the VAT Man) but no great victory for us either as we, the British taxpayer, had to pay the costs for the C & E's lawyers.
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And let's not even go where the farls (soda, wheaten, potato) and the gravy rings lurk.
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Chapelhead*
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Ah yes, the great Jaffa Cake question. To clarify the above, however, both biscuits and cakes are zero-rated, except that biscuits covered or partially covered in chocolate or a chocolate-like product are standard rated.
It was this distinction that led to another significant question, “How many biscuits in a tin of biscuits need to be chocolate biscuits for it to be a tin of chocolate biscuits?”
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Sir Kevin
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Originally posted by Amos:
....Another thing--the way the English dress their tiny daughters: I think I mentioned on another thread the 'Porn Star' tee shirt spotted on a three year old. Will someone who was born here explain to me why so many six year olds are dressed like thirty year old slappers?
Being from California, I know that Porn Star&trade is a brand of skateboards, so it's perfectly harmless for toddler-wear.
But, now, a question for the British is 'tea-time' the same as the US 'tee-time' or is it more like 'lunch-time'? It seems to be a large meal eaten approximately midday. Or so it seems from the British TV shows I watch nearly everyday.
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John Holding
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Originally posted by Sir Kevin:
But, now, a question for the British is 'tea-time' the same as the US 'tee-time' or is it more like 'lunch-time'? It seems to be a large meal eaten approximately midday. Or so it seems from the British TV shows I watch nearly everyday.
Not a brit, but it's a class thing.
Middle-Upper -- tea is (or at least used to be, before people had jobs) at about 4:00, accompanied perhaps by a small sandwich, a crumpet, scone with cream, tea cake or the like (not all of them, just one of them), followed by a piece of cake or something small and sweet. Intended to tide one over until dinner at 7:30, don't you know.
Lower - tea is the evening meal, after coming home from work. It involves protein in some fashion, although the eater will have had "dinner" at noon.
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Oh, now you've gone and done it, Sir Kevin. And don't even ask about tiffin. It's all incomprehensible to me.
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Schroedinger's cat
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No, please not the British Meal Debate again. Please.
To people who do not understnad it, always check the time of meals, and the expected quantity, or plan to make changes to your established pattern. Do not try to understand the whole complex mess, do get your own position clarified. A few broad guidelines :
Evening meals are generally proper cooked food. Evening parties may have nibbles only, but may not.
Being invited around for late afternoon ( 3:30 - 4:00 ) tea or tea and cake will generally involve precisely that - cups of tea and cakes/buiscuits.
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Sir Kevin
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Thank you all! That's what I get for watching Foyle's War.
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I will answer my own question by saying that if more than 25% of the biscuits in a tin of biscuits are chocolate biscuits then it is a tin of chocolate biscuits. Award yourself one ‘sad person’ point if you knew that. I have awarded myself ten ‘sad person’ points for asking it.
And having almost killed the thread by mentioning VAT, I will continue the subject by saying that apparently the latest subject HM Customs and Excise are keeping a close eye in is lap-dancing. The issue is how much of the fee should be subject to VAT - the whole fee or just that proportion the dancers pay the club owners for ‘rent’ of the booths. Our fine men and women from the ministry are closely investigating the matter thoroughly, gawd bless ‘em.
Which I suppose leads back to the question, ‘Why do the British get in such a tizzy about sex?’ I don’t think I buy the ‘protestant puritanism’ line. There just seems to be something about the British in particular that finds sex funny and embarrassing.
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Schroedinger's cat
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I can't remember if this has been covered yet, but one of those great British traits is saying sorry.
Non-brits need to realise that "Sorry" covers a whole range of things from "I'm sorry you're such a total loser" to "I have made a terrible mistake, and I admit my responsibility" via "I very nearly made bodily contact with you, in which case we would have had to have passionate sex, and neither of us want that".
We do tend to apologise for everything, beause we realise that most things are our responsibility at some point. This means that wehen we are apologising for you, we accept that somewhere the British probably made you the dumbwit you are, as you don't seem able to have done it yourself.
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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat BA:
"Sorry" covers a whole range of things from "I'm sorry you're such a total loser" to "I have made a terrible mistake, and I admit my responsibility" via "I very nearly made bodily contact with you,..."
It can also mean "piss off you little turd".
More important are "please" and "thank-you". You always say "please" here. Even when giving a direct order.
And you always say "thank-you". There is a tone of voice in which the word can mean "you are nothing at all but but a waste of the volume of space which your body occupies, and the whole universe will breath a sight of relief when you die and your component molecules can be recycled to be used by some object more worthy of existence, such as maggots or mould or compost, or rather it would if anyone at all even noticed you were gone, which they won't"
In fact tone of voice is terribly important. The stress and accent of an English sentence can change its meaning entirely, even make it mean the exact opposite of its plain meaning. Spoken words in English - as spoken in Britain - do not always mean what it says they mean in the dictionary. Their meaning varies by context and stress.
And the more phatic a word or phrase is - the more it is used to establish or reinforce social connections rather than to communicate knowledge - the more its meaning can be varied by stress and context.
So the utterly phatic words like "hello", "goodbye", "good morning", "good evening", "sorry", "excuse me", "please", "thank-you" - these can mean almost anything at all.
That's why we use them so often. (Far more often than just about anyone else I think)
An example:
"Excuse me." means "let me past"
"Excuse me?" means "I didn't hear what you just said, please repeat it"
"Please excuse me." means "I am about to do something which is none of your business"
"Excuse me!" means "I'm going past so get out of the way or we will colide"
"Excuse me!" means "You have no right to be offended by what I just said"
"Excuse me!" means "you are an offensive little shitbag"
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Schroedinger's cat
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Originally posted by ken:
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Originally posted by Schroedinger's cat BA:
"Sorry" covers a whole range of things from "I'm sorry you're such a total loser" to "I have made a terrible mistake, and I admit my responsibility" via "I very nearly made bodily contact with you,..."
It can also mean "piss off you little turd".
I thought that was sort of covered in the first version, but you are right.
Ken is absolutely right to point out that the "politeness words" are just not that. They are as crucial to our way of speaking as, say, vowels. The idea that the British are so polite is generally a misunderstanding of the use of these words. This is generally said by someone who has been insulted along the lines that Ken posted, but doesn't realise it.
Brit says: "I am sorry, do excuse me"
Brit means: "Get the *&%^ out of the way, you obnoxious pile of **$&, I hate you with a passion, even though I have only just met you. Now $*%% off home and never come back, you dung beetle vomit"
Tourist thinks: "These British are so polite".
Of course, in a different scenario, the meaning can be totally different, even though the words and emphasis is identical. The precise intonation will be subtly changed though.
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The word 'thank you' should be used as much as possible. If you don't mean thank you, but feel that some vague notion of politeness can be applied to the situation, use it anyway.
Cashier: That will be twenty five pounds, thank you
Customer: (producing thirty quid) thank you
Cashier: (giving back a fiver change) thank you
Customer: thank you. Goodbye.
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Originally posted by Ferijen:
The word 'thank you' should be used as much as possible. If you don't mean thank you, but feel that some vague notion of politeness can be applied to the situation, use it anyway.
Oh yes. "Thank you" is the compulsorary ending to all interactions between people during which anything is exchanged - money, goods, information, space, blows, bodily fluids.
It's denotation is "we've done that, now move onto the next thing." - whether or not anyone is thankful to anyone.
It's precise meaning, if any, varies by context and tone of voice.
It's broad connotation is "you are a human being and the subject of social relations". Not to say "please" and "thank-you" is to cease to treat others as social beings.
An well-brought-up English person is more likely to say "please" and "thank-you" to an animal, or even a machine, than they are to omit the words accidentally when talking to a human being.
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RuthW
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Originally posted by ken:
"Excuse me." means "let me past"
"Excuse me?" means "I didn't hear what you just said, please repeat it"
"Please excuse me." means "I am about to do something which is none of your business"
"Excuse me!" means "I'm going past so get out of the way or we will colide"
"Excuse me!" means "You have no right to be offended by what I just said"
"Excuse me!" means "you are an offensive little shitbag"
All of this obtains in the US as well. I can't see why you think any of the things you've said about intonation in spoken English is uniquely British.
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Originally posted by ken:
An well-brought-up English person is more likely to say "please" and "thank-you" to an animal, or even a machine, than they are to omit the words accidentally when talking to a human being.
does anyone else occasionally say "thank you" when the hole in the wall presents them with cash ? ![[Hot and Hormonal]](icon_redface.gif)
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Originally posted by Chapelhead:
There just seems to be something about the British in particular that finds sex funny and embarrassing.
Maybe you're not doing it right.
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Originally posted by RuthW:
All of this obtains in the US as well. I can't see why you think any of the things you've said about intonation in spoken English is uniquely British.
I don't really.
But:
(a) this is a humorous thread at least partly about national stereotypes
(b) it is a national stereotype that Americans don't notice when we are being rude to them...
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Ariel
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Originally posted by Papa_Smurf:
does anyone else occasionally say "thank you" when the hole in the wall presents them with cash ?
No, but I did once inadvertently apologize to a lamppost for bumping into it. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Schroedinger's cat
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Originally posted by RuthW:
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Originally posted by ken:
"Excuse me." means "let me past"
"Excuse me?" means "I didn't hear what you just said, please repeat it"
"Please excuse me." means "I am about to do something which is none of your business"
"Excuse me!" means "I'm going past so get out of the way or we will colide"
"Excuse me!" means "You have no right to be offended by what I just said"
"Excuse me!" means "you are an offensive little shitbag"
All of this obtains in the US as well. I can't see why you think any of the things you've said about intonation in spoken English is uniquely British.
Actually, it is not just the intonation. Which is why we can be rude to people without them knowing it. The "excuse me" examples as posted are fairly international. It is working out which if these is actually being said when a british person says "excuse me", without the secific intonation. The answer is usual some or fewer. Or more. Or something entirely different.
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having not read this entire thread, this may already have come up. but anyways, whats up with speaking with a british accent but singing in an american accent.
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Originally posted by MinneapolisOle:
having not read this entire thread, this may already have come up. but anyways, whats up with speaking with a british accent but singing in an american accent.
??? Not sure what you mean. Could you give us an example of someone (well known) who does this?
Actually I think in singing, accents are much less obvious anyway. This occurred to me for the first time at the age of 18 in Scotland, on Easter Sunday in a Church of Scotland service - I struggled to easily understand the spoken words, but when these people sang they sounded pretty much 'normal' to my East Anglian ears!!
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Originally posted by Papa_Smurf:
does anyone else occasionally say "thank you" when the hole in the wall presents them with cash ?
What's wrong with that?
Actually, as a teacher, I am learning to say "please" less and "thank you" more (please implies they have an option).
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Originally posted by Gracious rebel:
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Originally posted by MinneapolisOle:
having not read this entire thread, this may already have come up. but anyways, whats up with speaking with a british accent but singing in an american accent.
??? Not sure what you mean. Could you give us an example of someone (well known) who does this?
Lisa Stansfield.
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Elton John!
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Any pop wannabe on that programe with P.Waterman et al."Pop Idol"?
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Originally posted by MinneapolisOle:
....whats up with speaking with a british accent but singing in an american accent.
Maybe it's because blues,rock and roll etc. came to us via the US?
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So Seth, I hear you saying that you invented the language, but we made it sing?
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Originally posted by Custard123:
Actually, as a teacher, I am learning to say "please" less and "thank you" more (please implies they have an option).
[OT] This is one of the few "Instant-ways-to-regain-control-of-a-group-of-children"-things I've been told that actually work! (I used to work with 14-16 year olds visiting Oxford University). Instant change in my ability to control them when I started using that piece of advice.[/OT]
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I'm not sure if this should be on this thread or whether I need to start a special thread just for the Scots. But at a shipmeet in Edinburgh on Saturday, I discovered that several shipmates (who will remain nameless to protect them from the cut of Erin's teeth) believed that Florida was a northern state located directly below New York, or thereabouts. I will remember this from now on when someone accuses Americans of ignorance of world geography.
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Was on a train the other day (London to Birmingham). On telling someone I was heading to Manchester, they asked me if that was on the way.
Southerners.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
I first heard about barm cakes from someone from Cheadle who had lived in that area of NE Cheshire (Stockport, Poynton, that area).
I don't know how general the term is though because my mum didn't use it and she was from Bury, just a bit further to the north of Manchester. Some of these things are very local indeed - a Local Word for Local People.
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Help - why can't i do the quoty thing like everyone else?
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Originally posted by Custard123:
Was on a train the other day (London to Birmingham). On telling someone I was heading to Manchester, they asked me if that was on the way.
Southerners.
As part of my job I attend a regular national meeting. Many of those from the North and Midlands travel early morning on the train to whatever location it is in. Whenever the meeting is in the North or Midlands most of those from London and the South-East always travel up the night before and stay overnight even when the meeting is on an easy to access location on the East Coast Main Line such as Doncaster or Newcastle. Southerners seem to treat these as remote locations requiring major travel arrangments.
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Originally posted by Ariel:
No, but I did once inadvertently apologize to a lamppost for bumping into it.
I've done this, too. I've also defibrillated a lamppost.
It didn't help.
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Originally posted by Peronel:
I've also defibrillated a lamppost.
It didn't help.
Peronel.
I bet it didn't have an irregular heartbeat after you finished. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Goodric:
Help - why can't i do the quoty thing like everyone else?
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Goodric
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Originally posted by Coot (Such a nice boy):
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Originally posted by Goodric:
Help - why can't i do the quoty thing like everyone else?
To quote a post, click on the bold quotation marks on the far right of the line that contains the profile, home page, PM etc icons.
Or, cut and paste wot you want to quote and surround it in the UBB tags: [ quote ] and [ /quote ].
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Originally posted by The Undiscovered Country:
As part of my job I attend a regular national meeting. Many of those from the North and Midlands travel early morning on the train to whatever location it is in. Whenever the meeting is in the North or Midlands most of those from London and the South-East always travel up the night before and stay overnight even when the meeting is on an easy to access location on the East Coast Main Line such as Doncaster or Newcastle. Southerners seem to treat these as remote locations requiring major travel arrangments.
Southerners
I take it you have never lived in London? I was once working in York, and comuting weekly from London. The head of development commuted up from Stevenage ( or had done ) on a daily basis. She seemed to have some trouble understanding why I couldn't do the same. What she seemed to miss is that Stevenage, althoguh only 1 stop further along from London, was about halfway point on my journey - the trek from my house to Kings Cross, and getting on the train was the difficult part of the journey.
If you consider that, for some of these poeple, the journey to the Mainline station is probably 2 hours+, and involving 2-3 trains, it seems much more reasonable. IMO.
Northerners.
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Originally posted by Gracious rebel:
[Actually I think in singing, accents are much less obvious anyway.
I disagree, and I probably sound more Scottish sometimes when singing.(sometimes deliberately )
Try being the only scottich voice in a school choir or church full of otherwise generic English accents. There are certain words which definitely sound different.
"mercy" is the first that springs to mind, (mercy for the Scots, muhrsy to the English)though I'm pretty sure ther are some words in Christmas carols which make it more obvious.
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now why am I glad that it takes me 20 mins to walk to work?
Whoever would want to live in London?
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Custard123 - because it is a fantastic place to live and work. Getting into London from the suberbs, or the home counties, is fine. I ( and so many others ) do it without too much trouble every day.
The problems come when using London as a hub or connection to get elsewhere. It works fantastically well to get people in or out, but across seems to struggle rather more.
Most towns and cities will have a main railway station. If you need to change trains, there is a good chance that you will come into the station, change platforms, and catch another train out.
London, of course, has a range of main, intercity stations. The chances are that you will have to com into one, take a tube ( or two ) to another, and then catch your ongoing train.
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Originally posted by Papa_Smurf:
Try being the only scottich voice in a school choir or church full of otherwise generic English accents. There are certain words which definitely sound different.
"mercy" is the first that springs to mind,
I hear myself most different when saying the Lord's Prayer:
" furgive us ur sins...thy wull bi dun..on airth uz it is in hivn"
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