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Well, gosh, that was an exciting bunch of replies to my post - you guys didn't let me down. To go from my saying that my experience of Hep A was kind of mild to thinking that I therefore am an anti-vaxxer is one big unwarranted leap.
It was almost 20 years ago, when I was 19, that I had Hep A, symptoms like flu plus jaundice. It was very rare and I'm not sure that there was a vaccine back then. Even today I don't think that people in the UK are vaccinated apart from some vulnerable people so there is no herd immunity.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
I don't think you can change the anti-vaxers, necessarily, but we should have an eye toward their potential recruits, people who are not yet anti-vaxers, but might tip one way or the other. Perhaps some good evidence-based propaganda could counter the hyteria-based propaganda of the anti-vax idiots, and keep their ranks from swelling any more than necessary.
But that's already there!
There are hundreds and hundreds of papers, research reports and mountains of evidence, none of which is hard to find.
Anyone truly searching for facts on vaccines will find them easily - doctors aren't usually shy on the subject.
The worst thing about anti-vaxers is their self-delusion that they're actually championing people's rights.
Sick, sick, sick fuckers.
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Quick anectodal evidence:
In my medical career, I have seen 1 child die, and 1 child be seriously ill from not being vaccinated.
I have not yet seen any child with a significant problem from vaccination.
Meaningless sample perhaps...but the sort of people who believe the anti-vaccination crap put a lot more weight on anecdotes then studies.
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Presbyopic, rubella might be a mild disease for male children but it can be a perfect stinker for adults. Sponsa came down with rubella at the age of 28, and developed the very typical acute arthritis ( mainly affecting small joints) which incapacitated him for some weeks. He was a 4th year medical student at the time. Our then 3 year old developed a mild infection (caught form Sponsa) which he hardly noticed; I picked the nodes at the back of his head and the minimal rash. Luckily I had been given the shot the day after firstborn's birth having been dopey enough to conceive with inadequate immunity (my parents were overseas in the late 60s when the shot became available so weren't there to consent to my being immunised while at the gulag).
I managed to catch the mumps 28 weeks into my 3rd pregnancy; it was complicated by meningitis but fortunately my now 25 year old daughter was none the worse for her exposure. God thing that it wasn't in the first trimester; I probably would have miscarried. Both first and seond born had the chickenpox 3 weeks before the birth of #3; I kept my knees together praying for them to get past the infectious stage before I delivered and luckily all went to plan. Chickenpox is also a shocker for adults, especially if wither pregnant or immunosuppressed.
30-odd years ago there was so much ill-founded talk about the pertussis vaccine causing epilepsy and brain damage that here in Oz the powers that be canned the rubella part of the triple vaccine for the 18 months and 5 year boosters. There was no objective evidence to back up that claim and we have paid dearly for the bureaucrats' decision to kowtow to the anti-immunisation brigade.
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What annoyed me about the public policy about immunizations was that in my state (and many others) it was all or nothing.
You were legally allowed to say that you didn't believe in immunizations (end of discussion), or you had to buy into any and all of whatever the State decided was necessary.
So I was quite happy with infant innoculation for polio, diptheria, and especially tetanus for my kids, I had second thoughts about MMR and chicken pox.
But I wasn't allowed to choose; it was all or nothing.
I would have preferred to wait in hope of a mild childhood case of chicken pox, rubella, and measles. My understanding was that one had lifetime immunity after the mild childhood experience.
But it seems that this isn;t true? Details and Studies?
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jlg,
From the National Library of Medicine website.
Rubella. Lifetime immunity after infection.
Chicken pox. One chance in ten of developing shingles as an adult after having chicken pox.
Measles is a bit more serious
as this Mayo clinic report attests which I found as one of the links from here.
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From what I've heard, you really do not want shingles. Ergo you really do not want chicken pox.
And herd immunity is very important for rubella so that pregnant mothers who cannot be immunized are protected.
No reasons to avoid these immunizations seem good enough given the good reasons to get them.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
From what I've heard, you really do not want shingles. Ergo you really do not want chicken pox.
And herd immunity is very important for rubella so that pregnant mothers who cannot be immunized are protected.
No reasons to avoid these immunizations seem good enough given the good reasons to get them.
Hear it again; Mrs Sioni and my Mother have both had chicken pox and shingles. One of Mrs Sioni's neices had shingles at seven! Her idiot teacher said "No dear, you had chicken pox."
Shingles is nasty.
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As a child, whenever any of my friends went down with German Measles, I was taken round to play with them, but I never managed to catch it. My mother was very relieved when she learnt that I was going to get the Rubella jab in my first year at Secondary School.
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With H1N1 bearing down upon us, more and more Canadians are becoming dubious about the value of the vaccine and are refusing to get jabbed. Article here. I blame the moronic communications of our federal health minister and her department; as a comedian said the other night, "Go to their website and see how to bore, confuse, and panic people all at the same time. They can't even spell 'cough' correctly!"
In a casual conversation with other school parents this morning, none of the half-dozen planned to be immunized or have their children immunized.
I suppose part of the anti-vax appeal is to congratulate yourself for feeling brave and principled and not a "sheeple", unlike all those who believe what doctors and research scientists are saying.
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I suppose part of the anti-vax appeal is to congratulate yourself for feeling brave and principled and not a "sheeple", unlike all those who believe what doctors and research scientists are saying.
... because of course Everyone Knows that journalists, celebrities and the people you meet in the bus queue know far more about evidence-based medicine and the risks/benefits of taking vaccines than the so-called experts, who merely have degrees and umpty years experience in the subject and have dedicated their careers to preventing diseases. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Personally, if I am going to be a sheeple I prefer to follow someone who knows where s/he is going.
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Originally posted by Jane R:
because of course Everyone Knows that journalists, celebrities and the people you meet in the bus queue know far more about evidence-based medicine and the risks/benefits of taking vaccines than the so-called experts, who merely have degrees and umpty years experience in the subject and have dedicated their careers to preventing diseases.
And, of course, it's YOUR CHILDREN that THEY are taking risks with!!!!!!!!!! (meant to sound hysterical, by the way).
Never mind the risks you are taking with them, and everyone around them, if you decide not to vaccinate...
Incidentally, where the fuck is Mogwai - shouldn't they be down here defending their sorry arse?
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Mogwai avoids Hell, having some regard for her sorry ass.
Like many others called here.
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Originally posted by Jane R:
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I suppose part of the anti-vax appeal is to congratulate yourself for feeling brave and principled and not a "sheeple", unlike all those who believe what doctors and research scientists are saying.
... because of course Everyone Knows that journalists, celebrities and the people you meet in the bus queue know far more about evidence-based medicine and the risks/benefits of taking vaccines than the so-called experts, who merely have degrees and umpty years experience in the subject and have dedicated their careers to preventing diseases.
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The issue of Chicken pox vaccination is an interesting one.
Chicken pox is caused by the virus Varicella zoster (part of the Herpes family of viruses). It is contagious until the skin lesions crust over. Shingles is a reactivation of the varicella virus that 'hides' in nerve cells where the immune system can't see it. Shingles is very nasty but it's not usually dangerous. Chicken pox is self-limiting in the vast majority of cases but can lead to life threating complications (most commonly varicella pneumonitis - lung involvement). You can't get shingles without having had chicken pox.
There is a chicken pox vaccine available and it is effective. However it is not advocated for mass vaccination. There is a very good reason for this - if we were to roll-out a vaccination program for varicella then the short-to-medium-term effect of that would be to push the peak in chicken pox from 5-7 year olds to 15-20 year olds. This is a bad thing as the risk of life-threatening complications is much much higher in adults with chicken pox than children as well as the risk to pregnant women.
This is why the vaccine is used in a targeted manner to high-risk individuals only.
I think Chicken pox vaccine is a very important component of the fight against the anti-vax argument. All over the anti-vaxxer websites you see the assertion that vaccination is not about saving lives but is all about making money for the drug companies. If this were true then there would be a Chicken pox vaccine program in the UK (and possibly Hep A and Hep B and maybe even Yellow Fever...)
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I wish the Hep B immunisation were universal.
In Oz,an infant has to eb the child of a known Hep B carrier or else have parents from a country where Hep B is endemic (most of SE Asia, Africa or else be the child of Aboriginal parents) to be immunised at birth.
I had the sense to get outr 3 jabbed in early childhood only because in the event of a Hep infection the risk of becoming a chronic carrier is unacceptably high at 25%.
In the long term it would save the world a bomb if there were universal Hep B immunisation-and in real terms it ain't all that expensive.
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In my part of the US, children all have to have the Varicella vax by kindergarten and Hep B courses have to be complete by the beginning of junior high.
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That's enlightenment. Do the little blighters get the bread and butter tetanus-diphtheria-polio-pertussis=measles -mumps-rubella as well?
And who pays for this?
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The Hep B is an interesting one.
There is no scientific arguement against it - it's safe and there's no downside like with varicella.
I'm not sure it's necessary though as it is only transmitted by a parenteral route. It's certainly not cost-effective to vaccinate everyone.
The point is, though, that the vaccine strategies are well thought-out.
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Originally posted by multipara:
That's enlightenment. Do the little blighters get the bread and butter tetanus-diphtheria-polio-pertussis=measles -mumps-rubella as well?
And who pays for this?
m (ever-curious)
Looking at kiddo #3's healthvax card here. He got:
5 DTP
4 HIB
4 Polio
2 MMR
the 3 shot Hep B
1 varicella but his younger brothers got 2 each.
and my daughter got her all that plus her HPV course at 16 because that is when it was first released.
Oh and it's paid for by a combo of my health ins and me. But if I had no health ins I would go to the local child health clinic and get it for free along with the well child checks.
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Originally posted by PeteC:
Mogwai avoids Hell, having some regard for her sorry ass. Like many others called here.
Although, sadly, her homeopathic level of debating skills make it like shooting fish in a barrel anyway.
Pity, it's be nice to do an anti-vax St Sebastian session.
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Originally posted by Nunzia:
jlg,
From the National Library of Medicine website.
Rubella. Lifetime immunity after infection.
Chicken pox. One chance in ten of developing shingles as an adult after having chicken pox.
Measles is a bit more serious
as this Mayo clinic report attests which I found as one of the links from here.
Belated thanks for those links, Nunzia!
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Just for clarity: There is no guarantee of lifetime immunity from rubella, either by infection or by vaccine.
I should know. I've had it twice and was vaccinated after the second occurence. As it says in Nunzia's link: any woman planning to get pregnant should have her immunity level checked.
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Originally posted by ken:
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Originally posted by Mogwai:
As ever I respect what you have to say. But I don't see how injecting mercury, formaldehyde, dioxin, and aborted foetal blood into the body (amongst many other things) can really make it healthier.
I hardly need comment.
[edited because the bad spelling in the title was making me gag, even after one reading]
'Swine flu "Considerably less lethal than feared in advance"'
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So?
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From the BBC report linked to by Mogwai: quote:
Two thirds of those who died from swine flu would have been eligible for vaccination and the authors say this demonstrates the importance of immunising those at high risk of complications.
Mogwai, you seem to be too stupid even to read the articles that you link to. People died because vaccination was not as complete as it should have been. You disprove your own point.
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![[Killing me]](graemlins/killingme.gif) You expect Mogwai to read and understand something?
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Originally posted by IntellectByProxy:
Being against vaccination ignores the credible, lengthy, and mightily established safety record and efficacy of vaccination.
Hmm. Well that's debatable. Would genuinely appreciate it if you could provide links. Several people appear to be taking it for granted the science is long established; when I look for it it isn't there in an unambiguous way.
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Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
Mogwai, you seem to be too stupid even to read the articles that you link to.
I have no idea who you are, but you're very, very, *very* boring. And a total stalking psycho. Are you capable of making up a real life friend to follow round instead?
Or just fuck off.
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Originally posted by Mogwai:
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Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
Mogwai, you seem to be too stupid even to read the articles that you link to.
I have no idea who you are, but you're very, very, *very* boring. And a total stalking psycho. Are you capable of making up a real life friend to follow round instead?
Or just fuck off.
Translation: I got caught flat-footed and it pisses me off. Rather than admit it, I lash out. I know this is what this means because I do it myself with some regularity.
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Originally posted by Kid Who Cracked:
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Originally posted by Erin:
Anti-vaxxers should be sterilized and then shipped to an island with all of the measles, mumps, smallpox, flu and polio the world can find. They do not deserve to live.
Thank you for saying my mother doesn't deserve to live. Very thoughtful. I'll keep that in mind at her funeral.
Blimey.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
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Originally posted by Mogwai:
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Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
Mogwai, you seem to be too stupid even to read the articles that you link to.
I have no idea who you are, but you're very, very, *very* boring. And a total stalking psycho. Are you capable of making up a real life friend to follow round instead?
Or just fuck off.
Translation: I got caught flat-footed and it pisses me off. Rather than admit it, I lash out. I know this is what this means because I do it myself with some regularity.
Mousethief: he's not really engaging with my point the vaccine is currently not proven to be safe, and so may be more dangerous than the flu itself. Sqalene has been linked to GBS, for example.
But I don't especially *want* him to engage with it as he's such a prat. Yet if I say nothing, his one-sided nonsense goes unanswered.
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Originally posted by Mogwai:
But I don't especially *want* him to engage with it as he's such a prat. Yet if I say nothing, his one-sided nonsense goes unanswered.
Welcome to our world...
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Originally posted by Rosa Winkel:
'Engaging with my point'?
You wait until now to respond to your hell call, and you talk about others not engaging?
You've got a lot of points to engage with in this thread.
Wonderful. I shall count on your presence when I start my next thread on this topic in Purgatory. That's the section of the board people go to when they can string a sentence together.
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Originally posted by Mogwai:
But I don't especially *want* him to engage with it as he's such a prat. Yet if I say nothing, his one-sided nonsense goes unanswered.
You think that answered it? This explains much.
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Originally posted by Rosa Winkel:
'Engaging with my point'?
You wait until now to respond to your hell call, and you talk about others not engaging?
You've got a lot of points to engage with in this thread.
Nul points, merely a prick.
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Originally posted by Mogwai:
Mousethief: he's not really engaging with my point the vaccine is currently not proven to be safe, and so may be more dangerous than the flu itself. Sqalene has been linked to GBS, for example.
wow, sister. you're really batshit crazy, aren't you?
for review: you posted a link that didn't make a point at all, though you put the "death by lovies" smiley there. which of course laid out an excellent argument.
iF noted that the link actually didn't support your crazy-as-fuck assertions, and asked if you'd even read the article.
then you pulled the playyard routine ala "Waaah! iF's picking on me!" And you say it's because he's not engaging with your point?
back the truck up, you cute little freak, you.
Either Mousethief's right and you're dodging a discussion on something you really haven't got a clue about, or you haven't got the intelligence to read plain english and are living in your own alternate reality based on mad scientists straight from the old comic books.
as much fun as it would be to believe that there is a world-wide conspiracy to turn us all into the X-men, my money's on Mousethief's hypothesis.
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That's the problem:
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Originally posted by ken:
Mogwai is riding the anti-vaccination bandwagon. On a thread that was supposedly about Holy Communion, not pathetic pseudo-science.
The "As ever I respect what you have to say" line merely adds smug, smirking, insincerity to an already utterly nasty post.
Ken, you are about as far from being capable of objective conversation as it is possible to be.
After you wrote your last potty-mouthed, deeply, deeply unpleasant rant , I wrote you asking we could sort out our differences in pm like adults. No, you point-blank refused, after lapping up all the attention your hate-filled rant lavished on you.
Apparently there's a section in Romans which makes it ok to do whatever you want as long as you're in a bad mood.
As you know, at that time I told you I didn't want to hear from you again. Nice-going trying to ignore that and call me anyway. Man up and look around you. You are sixty-plus, but act like you're fourteen. I don't care what you do, just don't involve me.
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Originally posted by Mogwai:
That's the problem:
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Originally posted by ken:
Mogwai is riding the anti-vaccination bandwagon. On a thread that was supposedly about Holy Communion, not pathetic pseudo-science.
The "As ever I respect what you have to say" line merely adds smug, smirking, insincerity to an already utterly nasty post.
Ken, you are about as far from being capable of objective conversation as it is possible to be.
KEN?! As far from -- sputter ---
Damsel, you drank the Kool-Aid and then ate the cup.
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Originally posted by Mogwai:
As you know, at that time I told you I didn't want to hear from you again. Nice-going trying to ignore that and call me anyway. Man up and look around you. You are sixty-plus, but act like you're fourteen. I don't care what you do, just don't involve me.
(pat pat) Yes, I'm sure stamping your little feet about it is going to make him change his big-meanie ways, dear.
Oh, wait, the fruitcake that isn't gold or frankincense tried that "waah! You're disrupting my thread!" thing already. Might wanna do a reality-check on how well that worked for her...
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Mogwai
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Originally posted by comet:
wow, sister. you're really batshit crazy, aren't you?
for review: you posted a link that didn't make a point at all, though you put the "death by lovies" smiley there. which of course laid out an excellent argument.
iF noted that the link actually didn't support your crazy-as-fuck assertions, and asked if you'd even read the article.
then you pulled the playyard routine ala "Waaah! iF's picking on me!" And you say it's because he's not engaging with your point?
back the truck up, you cute little freak, you.
Sweet bleedin Jesus...
1) What's crazy about pointing out the dangers of Squalene? Weren't you aware of them?
2)A vaccine that has been rushed through in a week as deomnstrably not been tested safe
3) If Squalene is as dangerous as it would appear then, no, he's not adding to the discussion by reiterating an assumption the deadly mild flu is the more threatening
4) How is pointing out someone is a stalking psycho and telling them to f'off 'tantamount' to a 'waah he's picking on me routine'?
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Originally posted by Otter:
(pat pat) Yes, I'm sure stamping your little feet about it is going to make him change his big-meanie ways, dear.
Oh, wait, the fruitcake that isn't gold or frankincense tried that "waah! You're disrupting my thread!" thing already. Might wanna do a reality-check on how well that worked for her...
Sectagenarian baby-talk ways more like. And myrrh is cool.
I expect all you guys to show up in my next purgatory vaccination thread.
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Imaginary Friend
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Originally posted by Mogwai:
4) How is pointing out someone is a stalking psycho and telling them to f'off 'tantamount' to a 'waah he's picking on me routine'?
Well for a start, you've not substantiated your claim that I'm a "stalking psycho". At the moment it looks like a lot of toys are being thrown around, but no real point is being made. Kind of like when a toddler wants some attention.
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Spiffy
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Originally posted by Imaginary Friend:
At the moment it looks like a lot of toys are being thrown around, but no real point is being made. Kind of like when a toddler wants some attention.
That would be hitting the nail on the head, IF. Now, if you'll pardon me, I have to go to an H1N1 Status Update meeting. Yes, for the rest of the world it's pretty much gone out of the news cycle, but for those of us who work in the medical fields, we are still seeing a significant drain on resources as people present with acute cases of the 'flu.
[ 15. December 2009, 19:58: Message edited by: Spiffy ]
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Otter
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Originally posted by Mogwai:
And myrrh is cool.
This explains so much...
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comet
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Originally posted by Mogwai:
1) What's crazy about pointing out the dangers of Squalene? Weren't you aware of them?
it's a relative danger issue. driving my car is dangerous too. so is heating with fuel. so is showering for that matter. some risk I'm willing to take for the overall benefit.
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Originally posted by Mogwai:
2)A vaccine that has been rushed through in a week as deomnstrably not been tested safe
I don't know the story here so can't comment on it. in general, however, vaccines are not a new idea or technology. there's always a risk, but I'm willing to weigh the individual risks myself and for my children. as I've said much earlier in this thread, I've experienced some of the diseases we have vaccines for - and i'm thankful my children have the vaccines.
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Originally posted by Mogwai:
3) If Squalene is as dangerous as it would appear then, no, he's not adding to the discussion by reiterating an assumption the deadly mild flu is the more threatening
but that's the point, fruitcake. he wasn't talking about squalene or anything else. he was showing that the link you posted to contradicted your arguments, didn't support them. he didn't reiterate any assumptions - he just showed you that you fucked up.
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Originally posted by Mogwai:
4) How is pointing out someone is a stalking psycho and telling them to f'off 'tantamount' to a 'waah he's picking on me routine'?
I've seen no evidence that iF is stalking anyone. you're making this shit up. you're whining is based on his calling your bluff, and you refusing to respond in a non-toddler manner. you can throw red herrings around all you like - the truth is still right there for all of us to see. you fucked up. he called you on it. the egg is all over your face.
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Originally posted by Mogwai:
I expect all you guys to show up in my next purgatory vaccination thread.
I'm happy to discuss and debate the relative merits of vaccination. I'm not going to waste my time, however, if you can't actually engage in a debate or listen to other people's arguments.
so far, I'm not convinced discussing this with you is worth my time.
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pimple
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LC Commiserations.
Oops, it's hell. isn't it. Bloody well get well soon then.
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Lamb Chopped
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Thanks! It was No.Fun. But it's over now.
Unlike the double ear infection I'm fussing about with now.
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Mogwai
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Originally posted by Presbyopic:
Come the mid 50's and early 60's and the sense of relief for parents was astounding. They finally had a weapon to protect their children against this childhood menace. Then followed more miracles for Diptheria, Whooping Cough and so on.
Weren't many anti vaxxers around back in those days. Just a lot of grateful parents with their children by their sides.
Presbyopic:
have heard polio only became a crippler in association with vaccination for other diseases - vaccination against diphtheria or smallpox increased the likelihood of someone developing paralytic polio, whereas it is normally a mild disease. The medical profession knew this, because in the 1950s diphtheria vaccination campaigns were halted during polio outbreaks.
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Resurrecting threads that have been idle for two months to make a point like that doesn't make the hellhosts happy. Resurrecting a thread after two months to resapond to a post made over 4 months ago makes us even less happy.
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