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Originally posted by Jay-Emm:
Few Unbrits live there now but the radiation that had kicked his* species into sapience was still necessary for spawning and it was here the lavae swam.

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Zapaterietxe

Architecture•Sculpture•Metaphysics

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Originally posted by Wet Kipper:
No one saw him enter, no one saw him sit down. But everyone agreed that there was now a 7ft tall metallic man, or at least, shape resembling that of a human male sitting on the bus.
His "face" was devoid of all but the simplest of features, as if drawn by a child. They did not change, no movement of lips was seen, nor audible sound heard. And yet everyone was aware of what could be classed as an introduction, lodging itself in their consciousnesses.
"I am Reppik Tew, of the species Tsoh Remrof. Pleasure to meet you"

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Originally posted by Alban:
Reppik Tew, Hophtrig's new friend Reppik Tew! So good to meet you. You know what Hophtrig would like! Hophtrig thinks we could have a fun competition. Would you like that, boys, girls and non-gendered people. Let's have a competition to find out who can draw the best picture of Reppik Tew, Hophtrig will find a superb prize for the winner! Hophtrig's going to have so much fun here!

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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Feather boa constrictor?

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Originally posted by Alban:
I know Lucy's scared of being hugged, maybe if Hophtrig hugs her, it will be scare off the scaredycattishness.

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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
So far Crimson has limited itself to taking the form of animate beings. It sets its intelligence to work on a new problem: how to source the necessary matter to turn itself into a gag and straitjacket.

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Originally posted by JFH:
With deep bäse Joostein säy sooftly and sloowly:
ëtc ëtc ëtc

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Originally posted by Ariston:

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With deep bäse Joostein säy sooftly and sloowly:
ëtc ëtc ëtc

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Thë fäct thät I bë sëën thïs bëførë bë tëllïn ÿøü mørë abøüt mÿ frïënds thän änÿthing ëlsë, nø/

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Originally posted by JFH:
With deep bäse Joostein säy sooftly and sloowly:
ëtc ëtc ëtc

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Thë fäct thät I bë sëën thïs bëførë bë tëllïn ÿøü mørë abøüt mÿ frïënds thän änÿthing ëlsë, nø/

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Depends oon whether yoou like mooose bites oor moonty fæther booa coo... coon... coonstratilictatoors. Älso, there be noo doots oover e's, u's, y's änd i's. Thät woould be loodicroos. Oor French.

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Originally posted by JFH:
Vooice oof Joostein cut throough boos:
"Änyoone else oop for ploondering änd drinkings?"

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Dooub... Doou... Dooublooblooblypostelloded joost too ädd thät häving spootted Älbän's sig chänge, I loooked ät my oown änd säw hoow its mæning häd chänged entirely dooo too surrooundings boot mätched them per... perf... perfectly.

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Originally posted by Dafyd:
I'll reveal the full role description of anybody killed off, including things like whether an unreadable character was innocent or possessed; whether someone was the real detective or the police inspector; and whether someone was the sympathiser.
The mysterious entities invading the bus have a telepathic web that allows them to communicate secretly among themselves; consider it a side-effect of that.

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Originally posted by Alban:
Oh hello lovely friend. Hophtrig is sorry for giving your leg a hug, but it was dark and Hophtrig was scared. Hophtrig's happy now the lights are on, would Hophtrig's new friend with the nametag reading Grafinn like a proper body hug, not just a leg one?

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Originally posted by Eliab:
I think it's implicit, but do we learn that an unreadable character was unreadable when they die?

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Originally posted by Eliab:
Ze mathematics:
Ze aliens vin after four nights, if ve alvays kill und alvays are wrong.
Ve can have ze information to vin in two.
Follow ze rules.

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I think Zapaterietxe doesn't like it very much when Hophtrig talks. I don't really understand why.

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Originally posted by Barefoot Friar:
Or do we do nothing and wait to see what happens next?.."

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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Although Graffin Ikebana Whatziznuts seems to have a intriguing need to control things.

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Originally posted by Dafyd:
The only people who may pm or email or otherwise privately communicate information about the game to each other are the three ordinary mafia members.

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Originally posted by Ariston:
Ja'ayem,

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The only people who may pm or email or otherwise privately communicate information about the game to each other are the three ordinary mafia members.

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We would like to reassure you that there are no entities on Dimthing capable of entering the bus, possessing four of your fellow passengers, and murdering the driver while the lights were out. Therefore that has not just happened. Nor are they planning to kill you one by one either.

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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Listen, Zapaterietxe, I am guessing that among your many other weirdnesses you are a telepath, but if you are going to break in on my internal monologue like that could you at least formally introduce yourself?

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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Listen, Zapaterietxe, I am guessing that among your many other weirdnesses you are a telepath, but if you are going to break in on my internal monologue like that could you at least formally introduce yourself?

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Internal? I don't know how to say this more politely, but I'm afraid your internal monologue has been very external for a while. That sotto voce thing you do? I think it's a little less quiet than you think it is.

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Reppik pointed out my confusion over the mafia numbers. While I suppose that's a reason to hate, it would be a bit petty.

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Originally posted by Ariston:
So here's what I propose: rather than having a risky first round of nominations and voting, I suggest we have a non-binding, non-lethal discussion of everybody's top three choices to go out the front door. Ideally, we'd each give reasons for each of these choices—to know what everybody thinks and why might be as valuable as who they think has something to hide. More choices, more information, more to work with later.

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Oh Dear God, I am ready to throw my OWN self out of the emergency exit.

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Originally posted by la vie en rouge:
Annoying though Hophtrig is, his plan sounds quite useful.

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Essentially the detectively ones need to make a priority of staying alive (as far as possible) and gather as much information as possible, but not do anything with it until someone ends up dead, at which point they will know whether they are gathering true or spurious information.

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However - and I know this goes against my usual policy - I'm not sure it's worth throwing anyone off the bus so early on. No information gathering has gone on so far and we are more likely to hit an innocent than not. I think we should maybe hold off the killing until it's a bit more useful.

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Note to our detecting friends: if you get a guilty message first time round, be suspicious. Either you have been very lucky, or there is something wrong with the information you are receiving.

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Next und third I suspect John. Ze reason is zat he suggested nominating somevun vithout vishing to take responsibility for ze idea. It might be a mistake to nominate Hophtrig, but not vun vich breaks ze rules, so zere is no reason, if he vants to kill Hophtrig he should not just nominate him. Ze innocent cannot afford to be too careful to look innocent, as zey have killers to find. But looking innocent is ze killers main concern. I zink John looks like somevun trying to look innocent. I vould have nominated John for zat, und I vill unless vun of Joostein und Codine continue to break ze rules, or if zis discussion changes my mind.

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Hophtrig I think is innocent. If he vere guilty, he vould have known somevun vould vant to get rid of him for being annoying. Und he vould have changed, even a little from ze vay he acted before ze entitties came on board. But he has not. Even ven he is saying something zat is helpful. It is as if he does not care. I do not think ze intruders vould not care.

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Originally posted by Barefoot Friar:
The bit about tossing Hophtrig out was a throwaway line meant to point out how aggravating he was being before the bus left. I then stated that I supported the third option, which was to do nothing at the moment. Like I said a moment ago, putting someone out now has a 12 in 15 chance of being wrong. I said a bit later that I still don't think we should put anyone out today. So I specifically did NOT suggest we nominate someone.

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Originally posted by Alban:
We'll never know until we try, will we Lovely Lesley. Here, let Hophtrig take your hand and we'll push it together, shall we?
You don't have to pull away so hard, Lovely Lesley, we can do it...
See. That wasn't so hard, was it? That's a funny noise. Does Hophtrig smell smoke?
If we smell smoke, what's the first thing we must do, boys and girls? That's right, tell a grownup. Lovely Lesley's a grownup, Hophtrig smells smoke, Lovely Lesley.

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Originally posted by JFH:
2. Crimson - if soo gifted, why soo quiet?

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Crimson recharges its energy supplies over the weekend. It always goes a bit quiet then. Also if a being as intelligent as Crimson was a killer, it wouldn't be playing the "go quiet" strategy. It would talking exactly as much as it usually does, no more, no less. But Crimson is no killer.

[Edit: With an IQ of 6000, you would have thought Crimson would be able to spell. ]

[ 03. March 2014, 11:13: Message edited by: la vie en rouge ]
 

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Posted by Dafyd (# 5549) on :
 
Dimthing Tours are pleased to say that your predicament has been noted. We are happy to announce that your bus's engine has been located fifteen metres away from your bus on a bearing of .43 rad. Access to the engine is impossible without exposure to x-tonic radiation, which wil be instantly lethal to all known sentient entities. We are doing everything possible to resolve your predicament consistent with our acceptable profit margin. Dimthing Tours disclaim all responsibility for the actions of malevolent possessing entities of unknown origin. Have a Nice Day.

Dimthing Tours would like to ask anybody making nominations for today to make them clear and unambiguous. You are free to put up lists of names for discussions among yourselves, but as far as the voting is concerned, one nomination per entity per day.
At the moment I believe I have No Lynching by John the Less (Barefoot Friar).
Did Joostein (JFH) actually nominate Grafinn Ekaterina (Eliab) or was he just listing her for discussion?
 

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Posted by Starbug (# 15917) on :
 
After much consideration, one also wishes to vote for No Lynching.

There appear to be a number of screws lying around the floor. One hopes someone is going to pick them up. *looks meaningfully at Hophtrig*

[ 03. March 2014, 12:18: Message edited by: Starbug ]
 

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Did Joostein (JFH) actually nominate Grafinn Ekaterina (Eliab) or was he just listing her for discussion?

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Ooriginälly poosted by Däfyd:
Dimthing Toours äre pläæsed too säy thät yoour predicäment häs been nooted. We äre häppy too ännoounce thät yoour bus's engine häs been loocäted fifteen metres äwäy froom yoour bus oon ä bæring oof .43 räd. äccess too the engine is impoossible withoout expoosure too x-toonic rädiätioon, which wil be instäntly lethäl too äll knoown sentient entities. We äre dooing everything poossible too resoolve yoour predicäment coonsistent with oour äcceptäble proofit märgin. Dimthing Toours discläim äll respoonsibility foor the äctioons oof mälevoolent poossessing entities oof unknoown oorigin. Häve ä Nice Däy.

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Ooriginälly poosted by Däfyd:
Dimthing Toours woould like too äsk änyboody mäking noominätioons foor toodäy too mäke them clær änd unämbiguoous. Yoou äre free too put up lists oof nämes foor discussioons ämoong yoourselves, but äs fär äs the vooting is cooncerned, oone noominätioon per entity per däy.
ät the mooment I believe I häve Noo Lynching by Joohn the Less (Bärefooot Friär).
Did Joostein (JFH) äctuälly noominäte Gräfinn Ekäterinä (Eliäb) oor wäs he just listing her foor discussioon?

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Gräfinn Ekätärinä Eliäbooloon bræks oown rooles.

[...]äct against ræson of säving goodies äs much äs poossible

[...]Älso mooch bloober - tälking things noot helping,

[...]Noot poot up three candidates but mäny-two.

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Originally posted by Wet Kipper:

Reppik's face flickered a pale red colour, then reset
Excuse me. Whilst the suggestion that we list 3 fellow travellers who arouse our suspisions the most is admirable - in terms of starting discussions and providing an insight into our thoughts - it fails my logic computations for a number of reasons:
1. The resultant tally of suspicions is more likely to show a mean level of suspicions across a higher number of candidates than if we each suggested one person
2. It further clouds later discussion and calculations when trying to track each person's ideas - this is not a concern for *my* computational abilities, but is unfair to those of lower processing power.
3. It permits the malevolent to include one of their own number within their choice of good/bad/ugly as a bluff or smokescreen, though this carries risk of said bluff being inadvertently taken up by others and turned into a nomination.
4. It lowers the requirement to stand by one's choices, were we to limit our initial suspicions to a single traveller.
5. It further increases the time spent before action is taken with actual nominations.
I agree there is merit in the opinions already provided, and not wishing to go against the course that many have so far taken, however, to abide by what I have just stated, I shall limit my discussions.
I am most suspicious of that which I cannot compute, usually due to insufficient information.
What currently_ _ _ _ confuses me most is the seemingly boundless energy of the being Hophtrig, and any non-corporeal entities.
I submit my thoughts for your use. If you will pardon me, I require a time of recuperation and energy restoration.

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Originally posted by Eliab:
You make ze fact zat I discussed my thoughts on everyvun, and not just three, a reason for suspicion? Zat is incomprehensible. Ve vant more speech, more opinion, more argument, not less. Zat is ze only data ve have to spot ze intruders if ze inspectors fail us. Und zey might. [...] Und you vant to discourage people from speaking? Zat is senseless.

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I am not convinced zat ve should not evict somevun. I think zat is trusting too much in our investigators to solve ze puzzle for us. Ve do not have to be very unlucky for zat to fail.

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I vill be very happy, ven ze investigators have had ze chance to see vich of zem is vich, to look for vays in vich ve use zem to vin, but I do not think ve should do nothing until zat happens. If zey are killed before zey reveal zeir findings, vat do ve do zen?

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If you agree vith zat, and think ve should kill vith good reason, zen your reason for nominating me vas untrue. If you do not agree vith zat, und think ve should not kill anyvun, zen you should obviously not be nominating anyvun. Und I think you are too experienced und clever to make such a mistake in ze thinking.

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• Why have Codine, Otto, Daisy, Cho Bacca, and Ios been so quiet? Of the five, Cho Bacca has most obviously been paying the most attention, but all we've gotten is bits about chocolate and tools. She did vote no lynch, which is a positive, but not really conclusive. Everyone talking is a marvellous idea, but it only really works if everyone collaborates on how to get out alive. So why aren't they talking?
• Eliabulon is a bit of an enigma. Why does it seem she is talking much and saying little? Why is she beginning to seem as though she's contradicting herself? It's subtle, and maybe I'm not reading it well -- the accent is atrocious, honey, get a speech therapist -- but I'm sensing something isn't right. Either she's innocent and a slightly bloodthirsty gambler, or else she's in cahoots with the Misguided.
• What's going on with Reppik Tew? Why did I misread him so badly the first time? He may be a mook, or he may be the sympathizer. Criminal Mastermind and kingpin he is not. However, I can also imagine him to be innocent and driven by bloodlust. Start flinging people off the bus and the Misguided will show themselves soon enough. The problem with that particular gambit is that they will show themselves -- right after they manipulate us into throwing ourselves over, one by one.
• What is up with Lesley? Why have we gotten juuuuust enough input to keep her off the silent list, as though she were trying to hide in the middle of the pack? I have a theory, which I will get to in a moment.
• What the heck is going on with Hophtrig? Is it comic relief? Is he hiding something? Is he subtly signalling something suspicious? He has had a couple ideas to try to help the innocents, although most of his talking has been about getting the bus to work. Why am I having such a hard time reading him?

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As for Eliabulon, the more she talks the more I doubt. There are several reasons, but one of them is that she pops up and immediately takes charge. Another is the exchange between her and Joostein. I'm trying not to read too much into her constant talking (it's her modus operandi*, judging by past events of a similar nature), but it's raising questions left and right.

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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:
Ios's also puzzling about how the Grafinn figured that we could get the information we need in two days;

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At ze start of ze first day - fifteen people, of vich four could prove zere innocence. Eleven are unknown.

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Originally posted by Ariston:
Of course, the baddies have won on strokes of luck and technicalities too, but, to be honest, the fact that they start off knowing who is guilty at the beginning and can both confidently act to off people, as well as game the system, from the very beginning is a pretty strong advantage.

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When her attempt to stop the pattern that might have been developing against her failed (along with her attempt to suggest a counterpattern that might have taken suspicion off of her in favor of one of three others), you stepped in to argue against the form of non-binding voting that was going against your cohort. Call me paranoid, but that sounds like shitstirring to me.

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Yeah! Shitstirring!

But the truth is there is one passenger whose behavior has been setting off her alarms from minute 1 of this journey-- that distracting effervescence? That persistent need to violate social and physical boundaries, perhaps to acquire information? That conveniently bumbling attempt to tear up a friggin' wall of the spaceship while "OOPS!" losing several vital pieces of equipment needed to repair it? I'm on to you, Hophtrig.!

[ 05. March 2014, 06:42: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]
 

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Posted by Dafyd (# 5549) on :
 
Please note that Hophtrig has not been nominated and therefore may not be voted for. This is the first vote; you will be allowed to vote again. On any future day votes for ineligible candidates will be counted as No Lynching.

In response to Ios' question: You may discuss and deliberate over your votes as much as you wish. Please put the name of the person you're voting for in bold so that I can clearly see it. Ideally give your vote in a paragraph by itself and not buried in a block of text and introduced by some formula such as 'I vote for'. Please do not put anything else in bold; at the moment I have a cold and have no attention span worth speaking of. Dimthing Tours are not liable for the consequences if they misread your vote. Have a Nice Day.
 

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Posted by Kelly Alves (# 2522) on :
 
I am a moron, vote me off.

FINE! No lynching. I need to study people more.
 

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Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
Crimson has learned a new trick – how to refract itself so that it forms that shapes of letters in the mirror. It arranges itself into the following text:

I suspect (but can’t be sure for now) that Graffin is being directive because that is what Graffin is like. I don’t think it’s necessarily anything from which guilt can be deduced – at this stage at least. It’s what she would do if she was innocent and it’s what she would do if she was guilty. We have to wait and see.

As for Jöøsteïn, I’m not sure. He also rather seems to want to take control of the discussion, but then, I get the impression that he’s rather a bullish sort of a character. Again, my feeling is wait and see.

Hophtrig, while irritating, I am fairly sure is not guilty. His plan to volunteer for lynching may have been misguided, but I don’t think he’s sly enough to do it as a bluff.

Reppik Tew I have no particular opinion on at present, nor Lesley.

So early on, anything can be suspicious, or not. Talkativeness – suspicious if all the blathering doesn’t make sense, not necessarily otherwise. Being quiet – can be a sign that someone is hiding something, but we don’t know what, or who they’re trying to hide from.* Alternatively, I’ve heard that the Real Life virus is present on the bus and sometimes entities go quiet for reasons completely unrelated to the investigation.

Under the prevailing conditions on this bus, every unfortunate decease that occurs can potentially be an information-gathering opportunity. Until someone dies, the investigators don’t know the reliability of their information. However, at this stage the investigating entities haven’t had time to do any investigating. Since we are more likely to do away with an innocent than not, I’m not sure it’s time to throw anyone out. If I was going to vote for lynching anyone, it would no doubt be Eliabulon or Joostein, but if they’re not guilty then they’re both pretty useful individuals to have around, so I don’t think it’s worth the risk at this stage.

Now I grant that when I was getting my virtual pants bored off in the lab playing chess with the researchers (and surprise, surprise, beating them into oblivion) I generally advised against this sort of thing, but it seems to me that on this occasion the way forward is to hang fire a little. Consequently I’m going to go with no lynching at this stage in the proceedings.

[The innocents also beat the baddies at St Damian’s college. Basically, the innocents win when Crimson is innocent. Note to the doctor: it’s obviously up to you, but you might want to think about helping me stay alive .]

*Personally I’ve always thought that going quiet is a really stupid strategy. Whatever you’re hiding – and remember that some people go quiet because they’re trying to hide from the killers – you always end up calling attention to yourself in the end. Failing a nasty episode of Real Life, smart entities maintain the same level of presence no matter who they are.
 

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Posted by JFH (# 14794) on :
 
Joostein wäntings knowings Crimsoon think whät oof Zäp... Zäpä... Zäppy?
 

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Posted by Barefoot Friar (# 13100) on :
 
By my numbers it is no longer possible to lynch anyone, unless Joostein votes to lynch himself.

Zapaterietxe makes a good case against Reppik Tew. Joostein's argument against Eliabulon makes sense (you have to translate into English first), and is not evil enough to kick him off, especially since Zapaterietxe seems to think her innocent. Eliabulon's argument against Joostein doesn't hold water (even when translated into English), but I'm chalking that up to it being Eliabulon's "Feed me moar Viking babeeez!!" style.

Thus the only three plays that make sense to me are Reppik, Lesley, or no lynch.

I want to see what we can work out before we start throwing people off the bus. This time, we win with the most people alive. We've gotten a lot of good info this round. We are in good shape going into the night, and we've prevented the Misguided from manipulating us into executing one of our own for them.

No lynching.

[ 05. March 2014, 10:46: Message edited by: Barefoot Friar ]
 

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Posted by Gwai (# 11076) on :
 
The vote seems solved, but as Codine believes in form, he puts in his slip of paper: No Lynching
 

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Posted by Autenrieth Road (# 10509) on :
 
I don't agree with the previous voter's numbers that it's no longer possible to vote someone out the airlock. But perhaps all mathematical ability has fled me.

I vote for Joostein.
 

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Posted by Gwai (# 11076) on :
 
Truthfully I just took it on faith from the previous poster, because I was planning to vote for no lynching anyway, as you may have guessed.
 

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Posted by JFH (# 14794) on :
 
Joostein oof-boos poossible befoore Coodine mäke voote. Noow oonly if Joostein self-ploonder. Noot likely. Joostein hävings questioon too äsk:

Crimsoon, beings poossible foor græt mind inventings trä... trän... tränsilitlätoor mächine foor Noordic visitoors? Coouldings Zäppy help mät... mät... mäteriälistificätifize sooch toool froom thin äir? Oor ät læst enäble foolk täke Noordic speech throough woord proo... proo... proocessitätoor änd repläce äll æ with eä, ä with ä, änd ooo with oo?

Joostein wäntings foolk ræd tälk of Joostein, then ræd änswer froom foolk like Gräfinn, see if änswer rælly be too säme questioon änd if noot äsk why soo? Joostein noot think tälk itself bäd, but bloober säying äll coould be bäddies lookings moore oof screen oof mäny smooke.

Joostein knoowings päviän ooften soource oof mooch bloober, just moostly oof better quä... quäl... quälulälitility oor usings thän oof läst. Thät why bloober oodd.

Oother news be Joostein voote foor no lynching.
 

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Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 

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Joostein wäntings knowings Crimsoon think whät oof Zäp... Zäpä... Zäppy?

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Crimson thinks that Zapathingy’s name is unnecessarily hard to spell and he probably deserves to be thrown off the bus just for that .

Apart from that, she hasn’t made her mind up yet but he’s smart enough that it’s always worth keeping an eye on him. Keeping an eye on Reppik Tew is probably quite a plan as well, because learning something about Reppik would probably tell us something about [complicated name beginning with Z]. One of them might be guilty. Neither of them might be guilty. It's unlikely they both are.
 

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Posted by Alban (# 9047) on :
 
So everyone's staying on the bus? Big Hophtrig hugs for all Hophtrig's friends! Hophtrig's sorry Hophtrig hasn't fixed the bus yet, but Hophtrig knows we'll all find a way together. While Hophtrig was in the loo, Hophtrig was thinking, sorry Hophtrig took so long all you people who were waiting outside. Maybe Crimson and Zapaterietxe could form into some type of engine to take us as far as we need to go to get the broken one back?
Hophtrig was thinking about his big idea, too. Hophtrig doesn't think deciding who we want to ask to get off the bus a day before they do is a bad idea. If we friends do that, both detectives know if they're wrong or right, and the two of them can try to push us to make the right choice to ask someone to get off - somehow. If we don't help them, then the chances of them finding out about the right person are 1:13. These chances go up every time the group of people on board gets smaller (so do the chances of a detective disembarking), but the only informed guidance we friends can get is from someone who knows something, and the only people who know something until each of the detectives in turn learns if they're right, are naughty. The detectives don't both know whether they're right or wrong as soon as one finds out the truth about someone they've looked into.
We need to get two clear voices telling us who's naughty and who's nice, there's no way we'd listen to one, and if someone says they know, there's likely to be someone else, naughty, saying that they know and that the first person is lying, so an unmasked detective is hard to trust without asking someone they say is guilty to get off. It's not a good thing to ask good friends to hop off.
Hophtrig might be annoying, Hophtrig might be impulsive, Hophtrig might well suffer from ADHD (no suffering involved, really, he LOVES it!), but Hophtrig doesn't think his idea is crazy. Think about Hophtrig's idea. The Graffin Eliabulon says it is insane, because it wastes an investigation finding out something they will eventually. Hophtrig doesn't think this knowledge would be a waste. Maybe, if Hophtrig's clever, then the Graffin is trying to shut down a good idea. Or maybe if the Graffin's right, then Hophtrig is trying to waste everyone's time and thought?
And yes, John, Hophtrig would love to play with your feather boa constrictor, he looks so tickly and huggy, just like Hophtrig.
 

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Posted by Ariston (# 10894) on :
 
Hm. Interesting. For what it's worth, Reppik Tew (who still looks suspicious to me) didn't vote, despite nominating Lesley (information suppression?)—but neither did Daisy, who hasn't said much of anything in a very long while.

The votes:

Lucy—TESS
Choey—TESS
Me (Terietxe)—Reppik Tew
Ja'ayem—TESS
Otto—Joostein
Hophtrig—TESS
Grafinn Eliabulon—Joostein*
and, since last time:
Lesley—failed vote for Hophtrig, then TESS†
Crimson—TESS**
John—TESS
Codine—TESS
Ios—TESS
Joostein Käse—TESS

*Precludes conviction of Grafinn Eliabulon and Lesley †Now impossible to convict Reppik **Impossible to convict Joostein
Not voting: Daisy, Reppik Tew

What are the takeaways from this? First, that Grafinn Eliabulon might have timed her vote in a sinister plot to save…herself. It's a fair strategy, I guess. Understandable. When you think about it, "trying to stay alive" isn't a very suspicious goal; I think I may be one of the few not really trying it out right now, given how much I'm making myself into a mark by helping the innocents. Second, Lesley doesn't pay attention to the rules, tries to split votes, doesn't contribute to strategic discussions, and cast the deciding vote that covered someone I'm pretty damn sure is connected with the Possessed in some way. The more I analyze things, Lesley, the more you look like someone who's been busted early and is desperately flailing now that the heat is on. If there was a way to take out both you and Reppik at the same time, I think we on this bus would be the safer for it. Finally, Crimson. Okay, it's not like we were probably going to convict anyone at that point—and I'm still not seeing that much evidence in favor of kicking Joostein out—but minor point of suspicion.

I would also like to point out to Crimson that the Red Cat Goddess's favored champion tends to prevail even when she is evil, and that the Forces of Good triumph even when the champion is killed.
 

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Posted by Banner Lady (# 10505) on :
 
Choey sipped on her Irish coffee and wondered how long it would take the queue to the loo to go through. She had been watching and counting. With two votes still to come in (from Reppik Tew & Daisy) it looked like the anger between the passengers had all died down. No one was going to be sent after the engine today. But she had been watching to see who was being very pushy.

She didn't think it was Reppik Tew who had, as far as she could tell, only tried to make everyone feel better. This either made him a healer or a very clever and strange bit of metal indeed. The Zexte angel man certainly didn't like him, and had tried to lead the charge to have him evicted. The Graffin had voted consistently and in the middle of the pack. The Norwegian wrestler had thrown about many accusations and voted near the end as had the brown robed monk.

Choey listened to her bowels rumbling ominously and wondered if she should offer the chocolate around again. Night would be falling soon.
 

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Posted by Ariston (# 10894) on :
 
Alright, thoughts. We're as good as done with voting, so we might as well try summing up our first day. Remember, there's no such thing as information overload with this many minds processing things; what one of us might miss, another might catch. What you think trivial might be exactly the key piece someone else needed.

Joostein Käse: Nominated someone, was counternominated, In fairness, nominating the Grafinna almost makes sense if you haven't met her kind before. Fine, there's some weirdness with the language, but I imagine I'm not much more comprehensible than the rest of you. I think a translator could be arranged—after all, it's not like we're really going to be needing the steering circuitry any time soon, I think some engineering could happen…

Hophtrig: Annoying as fuck, if in a somewhat minimally amusing way to certain individuals if you stop and look at it every once in a while. Some of his ideas aren't the best—as others, myself included, have pointed out before, there are ways for investigators to deduce their reliability without colluding and voting off someone as a test, especially since that risks blowing their cover—but I'm leaning towards just bad ideas/floating hairbrained schemes to see what works rather than malice. Slightly more or less than mildly suspicious.

Ja'ayem: Generally sensible, alert, and trying to come up with good ideas. Either a really sneaky Possessed—albeit one trying to shoot itself in the foot by being at least somewhat helpful—or someone innocent. I reserve the right to change my mind, but, even if he's guilty, he's being helpful enough to us at the moment to not be expelled.

Crimson: A prime candidate for investigation—devotees of the Red Cat Goddess are known to be as inscrutible and deadly as their patron deity. Inconspicuous? Check. Giving reasonable advice? Check. Has motivations of its own about which we can only speculate? Megacheck. Overtly asking for protection against the Possessed, however, does raise suspicions—especially since I've been sticking my neck out so far lately. Right now, I'm just calling it Inscrutable.

Codine: Silent during nomination/discussion, a late an immaterial vote for TESS. Could simply be doing their master's bidding. Who knows?

Lesley: Squirming like a rabbit in a snare. Someone's done been busted. In addition to the previous counts against her—shitstirring, information suppression, signal-to-noise, noncontribution, vote manipulation—we now have not paying attention to nominations, inconsistency of behavior (why the sudden silence once you got fingered, dear?), scapegoating/cape waving ("everybody look at Hophtrig, not me! Hophtrig! He's annoying! Not me! Him!"), and, to cap it all off, casting the deciding vote that would save Reppik Tew, whom I suspect of being her partner in Possession. Boy howdy, does somebody sure look guilty.

Grafinn Eliabulon: Nothing to see here folks, move along. The ideas may be questionable—perhaps decent in theory, but good luck getting anyone to agree with any of them—but, again, typical. Acting normal could be a really clever ruse, or it could just be her being normal. I suspect we'll see soon enough.

Lucy: Talkative, helpful, attentive, and no suspicious vote patterns. To all appearances, someone who is engaged, but not dominating things. Likely innocent, but could be keeping a perfectly calibrated profile. Perhaps another good choice for investigation, though she might be helpful enough to us given her general sense to be worth not lynching. A Possessed One who shoots themselves in the foot by giving good counsel is somewhat less scary.

Reppik Tew, where are you? You seem to have hidden once the voting started. In fact, you seem to have never bothered to defend yourself, other than to say you learned from my accusations (learned what? That you needed to hide your guilt better?) and accused Lesley in what I suspect is either a throwaway accusation of a fellow Possessed, or your sacrificing a member of the Cult of the Possessors of Nature who is unknown to you. You don't have as many "we'll kick you out just because you're being dumb" points as Lesley does, but I think your attempts to suppress information, non-voting, and utter and complete lack of any attempts to defend yourself against my accusations—no, waving a red cape and telling us to look at Lesley is not a defense—makes you look absolutely guilty. Lesley may be part of the Cult, reliant on rigging votes to kill us off, but I think you're one of the Possessed. While I have greater confidence in something being Not Right with Lesley, I think it more likely you're Possessed.

Daisy: Fail to Daisy, Fail to Daisy, come in Daisy, do you read me? This is Dimthing Bus to Daisy, we've lost all communications with you, over?

Otto: Low profile, not much to say, very low signal-to-noise, more accusations than reasoning. Suspicious.

John: Lots of ideas, very helpful, perhaps a bit of a pacifist, but overall a helpful sort. Perhaps his religious training has taught him how to put on a good face in times of stress and suspicion when others need counseling, but, at worst, he's a self-defeating Possessed. Plus, he brings good beer. By the way, did I mention you'll find another bottle or two of it in your bag? It was worth copying.

Cho Bacca: Low signal-to-noise, not much in the way of helpfulness, seems to be scared of the idea of taking action against the Possessed, and might just be suspicious of the wrong people. Could be guilty, could be just creating noise. More than mildly suspicious in my opinion.

Ios: Mostly quiet, low profile, seems clever, helpful lately. Voted late to evict Joostein, which may not mean anything. Inscrutible. Perhaps a good target for investigation?

Zapaterietxe: Yes, me. Overbearing, talkative, bloodthirsty me. Yes, fine, I've been pretty darn helpful, I've been trying to get as much information as possible out on the table, I've been clamping down on the usual shitstirrers who might go after the Grafinn or try to create two factions supporting or opposed to one or the both of us (don't even), and I've been generally making a big red flashing neon "KILL ME" sign on my back for the Possessed. Right, yes, I know that you can all see it since I just coalesced one, but that's for dramatic emphasis, okay? I know that, without someone watching over me tonight (yes, even angels need guardians), I'm probably getting sent back to the Beyond, the Inverted World of the Absolute. And, to put it mildly, that would be incompletely ideal. But, for the good of all, for the survival of the whole, the part, me, can—must—take that risk. There's a possibility I won't die if I do help, if I do attract attention, but a certainty that we all fall to the Possessed if none of us rise to the occasion.

So, my guesses for tonight:
Innocent: Joostein Käse, Ja'ayem (good thing I caught that I missed him!) Hophtrig, Codine, Me, Grafinn Eliabulon, Lucy, John
No Idea: Crimson, Daisy, Ios
Possessed or Cultist: Lesley, Reppik Tew, Otto, Choey

[ 05. March 2014, 19:25: Message edited by: Ariston ]
 

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Posted by Autenrieth Road (# 10509) on :
 

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Ios—TESS

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Originally posted by Ariston:
The votes:

Lucy—TESS
Choey—TESS
Me (Terietxe)—Reppik Tew
Ja'ayem—TESS
Otto—Joostein
Hophtrig—TESS
Grafinn Eliabulon—Joostein*
and, since last time:
Lesley—failed vote for Hophtrig, then TESS†
Crimson—TESS**
John—TESS
Codine—TESS
Ios—TESS
Joostein Käse—TESS

*Precludes conviction of Grafinn Eliabulon and Lesley †Now impossible to convict Reppik **Impossible to convict Joostein
Not voting: Daisy, Reppik Tew

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Ios—TESS

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This is wrong. Ios voted to defenestrate Joostein.

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I pretty much agree with your assessment, Zapa.

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Reppik Tew, where are you?

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Then Hophtrig woke up and he was scared. Zapaterietxe, can Hophtrig hug you, Hophtrig's frightened and you're so confident and brave.

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Originally posted by Ariston:
Crimson: A prime candidate for investigation—devotees of the Red Cat Goddess are known to be as inscrutible and deadly as their patron deity. Inconspicuous? Check. Giving reasonable advice? Check. Has motivations of its own about which we can only speculate? Megacheck. Overtly asking for protection against the Possessed, however, does raise suspicions—especially since I've been sticking my neck out so far lately. Right now, I'm just calling it Inscrutable.

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The votes:

Lucy—TESS
Choey—TESS
Me (Terietxe)—Reppik Tew
Ja'ayem—TESS
Otto—Joostein
Hophtrig—TESS
Grafinn Eliabulon—Joostein*
and, since last time:
Lesley—failed vote for Hophtrig, then TESS†
Crimson—TESS**
John—TESS
Codine—TESS
Ios—TESS (in fact is vas Joostein as somevun has already said)
Joostein Käse—TESS

*Precludes conviction of Grafinn Eliabulon and Lesley †Now impossible to convict Reppik **Impossible to convict Joostein
Not voting: Daisy, Reppik Tew

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Daisy: Fail to Daisy, Fail to Daisy, come in Daisy, do you read me? This is Dimthing Bus to Daisy, we've lost all communications with you, over?

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I'm not ready to clear Daisy all the way yet, but my gut feeling is that she's not Possessed. Why would Dafyd give her that job (or any job) if she posted she might not be able to post much?

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Originally posted by Barefoot Friar:
...Hopefully they can do so without both investigating the same people, but I don't know how in the world we could coordinate that, especially without the Possessed twigging on them and then going after them.

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Something else interesting is that Eliabulon counts Codine and Cho Bacca a "keeping ze rules", despite the fact that neither one has actually added to the conversation. Cho Bacca affirmed a no lynching vote (although the polls weren't open yet, so you'll have to do it again, I think), and that's it. Otto, Cho Bacca, and Codine have all posted at least once, and it's just static. So this may be a subtle attempt at clearing two of the Misguided, or it may be the simple mistake of an innocent who wants a contribution of any sort, whether or not it is helpful.

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Originally posted by Banner Lady:
Some people did talk a lot, thought Choey, as she hopped impatiently from one foot to the other in the queue. She wished some of those ahead of her would talk less, and er, 'do' a bit more.

Of those talking a lot, it seemed there were two different camps emerging; one centred around the Zapper, and the other around the Grafinn. She suspected alliances would emerge, and John seemed to be very much on the Zapping side.

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Choey decided that some people were just impossible to please.

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Originally posted by Banner Lady:
Choey decided that some people were just impossible to please. The Zapit angel had so far accused her of not talking enough, of talking too much, of being suspicious, and of deliberate shit-stirring. Perhaps the angel man just wanted to find something, indeed anything, about which he could be cross with her. If he wanted to find a shit-stirrer then maybe he should look in a mirror.

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Hophtrig thinks that both Zapaterietxe and Graffin Ekaterina are leaders, and leaders look for people to follow them. That is their style, but having two leaders can mean that the friends on the bus make up groups under them.

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[W]hy does Lesley jump in from nowhere with one-liners (and why has she stopped repeating things?)...?

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Our only advantage over the Possessed is that we are many. As soon as we fragment, we are nothing.

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Am I right in thinking that this round it won't make any difference how I vote?

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[W]hy does Lesley jump in from nowhere with one-liners (and why has she stopped repeating things?)...?

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Probably for the same reason that I've discarded the descriptive text and quotation marks. It was cute the first couple or three pages, but now it's just a pain in the butt. I trust readers will imagine the quotation marks, and if I get a wild hair I may write a scene a bit later.

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Choey was grateful to Lady Celandine for letting her get ahead in the queue to the sanitation cubicle. Someone had been in there an awfully long time. She suspected it was Daisy. What was she doing in there? Things were getting desperate.

Choey had just pulled a large plastic bag out of her pouch to deal with what could be a... 'personal emergency' , when the lights on the bus went out.

What excellent timing, she thought.

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Originally posted by Banner Lady:
Choey was grateful to Lady Celandine for letting her get ahead in the queue to the sanitation cubicle. Someone had been in there an awfully long time. She suspected it was Daisy. What was she doing in there? Things were getting desperate.

Choey had just pulled a large plastic bag out of her pouch to deal with what could be a... 'personal emergency' , when the lights on the bus went out.

What excellent timing, she thought.

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Greaaat.

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Originally posted by Alban:
Are Choey and her companions sure they're queueing at the loo door, or is it the door to the private apartment of Codine's master? Or are the two doors the same thing?

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Full disclosure: I have no idea what the fuck I am doing. Anyone's choice as to whether that is an act or not.

[ 10. March 2014, 00:34: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]
 

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Posted by Dafyd (# 5549) on :
 
Dimthing Tours are pleased to announce that the lights have come back on.
Unfortunately, while the lights were out Crimson (La Vie en Rouge) was murdered. She was the Police Inspector. We apologise for any inconvenience.

Nominations for voting please.
 

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Posted by Alban (# 9047) on :
 
Hophtrig will miss Crimson. Crimson was a clever machine, and was a good friend. We will miss Crimson.
At least now, the person who was confused about whether they knew who was naughty or nice isn't confused now. Hophtrig's idea would not have been any use, Hophtrig offers apologies for being so pushy. We have a problem, a big problem, Crimson could have been so much help in fixing this bus, and she's gone.
Hophtrig thinks our friend Otto looks fabulous, but Otto is very quiet for someone so flamboyant. Hophtrig thinks he may just be trying to get people to throw someone off the bus, without saying much to make his friends suspicious. Maybe, if our friend Otto goes to get the engine back for us, we will be able to trust him?
 

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Posted by la vie en rouge (# 10688) on :
 
Crimson fights desparately against the hacking of its algorithms.

In the last moments as it realises it's going down, it refracts itself in the mirror one last time.

'I told you the doctor should be protecting me.'

[OOC: Don't worry, I'm not bitter. ]
 

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Posted by Barefoot Friar (# 13100) on :
 
I nominate Reppik Tew. Partly because I'm mean like that. Partly because he's avoided making any real input, and in fact has tried to skirt the whole issue. Partly because it just seems like the right thing to do.
 

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Posted by Banner Lady (# 10505) on :
 
The red Inspector is dead? Choey pulled a rainbow coloured thinking cap out of her pouch and jammed it hard on her own head. This was going to take some concentration. And concentrate she would, now that she had made it successfully and satisfyingly through the sanitation cubicle. ( It really would not be wise for anyone else to go in for a while).

The only one who had previously accused Crimson was Hophtrig. Hophtrig has just nominated the rather quiet (but fabulous) Otto. Zapaterietxe and John had also previously suggested Otto. Could the three of them be working together? Or were they all being a little bit snakey about a feather boa that wouldn't stay still?

She wondered how one might lynch a feather boa constrictor. This could become very interesting indeed.
 

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Posted by Alban (# 9047) on :
 
Hophtrig is very sorry. Hophtrig and his friend Joostein were very wrong when they put Crimson on their lists of 3. Crimson was a good friend and now she's g... g... gone.
Hophtrig is a silly little creature, Hophtrig doesn't know very much most of the time, but Hophtrig tries to be helpful, Hophtrig does. Hophtrig is very sorry, Choey, Hophtrig and Joostein should never have listed Crimson. Please can you forgive Hophtrig? Can Hophtrig please have a hug? Please?
 

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Posted by Gwai (# 11076) on :
 
Codine sighed. "Now that is a hit. We needed our detectives. Having two seemed like one of our best advantages. Oh and because one is sorry for Crimson, of course. My master will not be pleased to hear this.

Hophtrig will be glad to know that my master makes his own doors, so do not worry that you will accidentally meet him on your way to the convenience.
 

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Posted by no prophet (# 15560) on :
 
Otto looks at Hophtrig and asks the FBC to looks at him also. Otto re-notices that Hophtrig had voted as Otto suggested in the past, suspicious because Otto had no fabulous nor unfabulous nor FBC reason for it, and then covered himself up by pretending. Hophtrig looks suspicious to the FBC as well. Not saying voting, but saying wondering....
 

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Posted by Jay-Emm (# 11411) on :
 
Ja'ayem looked in shock. One of the two detectives gone so soon. He had vaguely wondered what would happen if something went wrong on the second night (when there would have been more important people and a thinner crowd).
But this, that meant the race for information would be very close.
As far as I can tell we need to do 3 things:
a) Avoid lynching anyone the detective finds innocent
b) Avoid making the detective stand out
c) Not damage our chances of lynching a mafia

One we can do perfectly. Any two we could probably do reasonably well at*, all three...not so good.

* e.g. random lynching (B&C), everyone gets a veto (A&B), detective outing (A&C).
 

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Posted by Starbug (# 15917) on :
 
Lady Celandine emerged from the facilities looking a trifle more pale than before she went in. Allowing Choey to go first had not been a wise move. Not that her breeding would allow her to show this. Why, she had hardly batted an eyelid when Lord Farquarquarsson had fallen face down in his soup - a few noxious fumes were not going to defeat her.

Picking her way carefully past Otto and his feather boa constrictor, she sat firmly and deliberately next to John. He seemed a trustworthy sort.

The boa constrictor was looking suspiciously at Hopthrig. She wondered why. Could his change of behaviour since the crash mean that he was possessed?

'So,' she said, 'Crimson has gone. Others, such as Lesley, have not spoken for a while.' She looked nervously around the bus. ''When everyone is so quiet, it is difficult to know who to trust.'
 

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Posted by Banner Lady (# 10505) on :
 
Yes, it is quiet on the bus. Yes Hophtrig you can have a hug - I am sorry I forgot that Joostein Kase had also suggested Crimson and Codine before deciding to nominate the Grafinn. And the Grafinn had nominated Joostein Kase.

Choey wonders who the Grafinn will nominate this time. She gets out a box of chocolate covered licorice to help her... ruminations.
 

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Posted by Barefoot Friar (# 13100) on :
 
Indeed, Lady Celandine.

On the one hand, I have already said what I have to say, and am slightly hesitant to re-hash it.

On the other, not having a discussion of some sort will severely hamper us.

So a discussion it is.

I am suspicious of Lesley, Reppik Tew, Otto, and Codine. I am unsure about Ios, Cho Bacca, and Daisy. I am reasonably sure Zapaterietxe, Ja'ayem, Joostein, Eliabulon, Hophtrig, and Lady Celandine are all innocent. I am certain that both Crimson and I are innocent, and that doesn't help Crimson.

I'm going to go through that list backwards.

Of course I think I'm innocent -- that's a given. I submit as evidence my effort to find and remove the Possessed. It is true that I supported the no-lynch on the first day, but that was because I wanted us to have more information before throwing someone off. I now feel that we have enough evidence to support lynching Reppik (and probably Lesley). The only conclusive evidence I can offer would be posthumously, and that's not exactly at the top of my priority list.

That Crimson was innocent we now have no doubt. Her death is unfortunate and mourned. Losing the detective on the first night is a major setback, and even though we have two in this game it is still far less than optimal. If there is more to learn here, I am not sure what it would be.

Lady Celandine is still mysterious to me. She has been paying attention, and is generally helpful without being dominating (which is more than I can say for myself). In all, nothing about her is suspicious, which is mainly why I'm still not certain. Nothing to worry about at the moment, though.

Hophtrig I think is innocent. The Possessed would be foolish to offer to off themselves -- especially offering several times. The whole point of the game is to stay alive, after all. I realize that's kind of a weak argument. My other argument is that Hophtrig isn't really showing any suspicious signs -- another weak argument, I'm afraid. Still, I'm happy to count him among the innocent, at least until I have more info.

Eliabulon has gone silent. Given the amount of talk in the opening hours, this is slightly disconcerting. Still, I think she is probably innocent because of the way she's been acting and the way she's been talking. I'm not sure what to make of the apparent vendetta against Joostein, especially given that I had mentally cleared Joostein before clearing Eliabulon. At the moment, I'm chalking it up to a "lost in translation". I think that either she's lying spectacularly (in which case she will slip up) or else is very innocent. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt.

Joostein makes more sense as an innocent than a Possessed. I've pretty well boiled his arguments against Eliabulon down to misunderstanding. I don't really have much to add at the moment.

Ja'ayem has been helpful, involved, and smart. Innocent.

That Zapaterietxe is innocent I have little doubt. Zapa has done more to reveal the Possessed than anyone else. He was right about Crimson. I realize the Possessed all know who is or isn't innocent, but they cannot afford to clear innocents, because it severely hampers their work. They would have to rely on the doctor to fail to protect her, whereas if they don't clear her, they can try to manipulate a lynching. This is somewhat torturous logic, I know, but it's solid enough for me to count it among the pros. Zapa's work is what sets him apart, though.

I am suspicious of Daisy, Cho Bacca, and Ios because they have been very difficult for me to read. Cho Bacca has by far posted the most of the three, but I'm having a difficult time sifting anything useful from her blerbs about eating or going to the loo. She seems nice, but then you can't go on "nice" or "not nice", because even the worst criminals can sometimes be really nice blokes who are just so misunderstood. The other two are quiet beyond quiet and I can't read them. I don't think that's a good thing, either. We're a little more than six pages in, for crying out loud. Speak up, y'all, or get lynched.

Codine has protested his innocence. However, just saying you're innocent doesn't make you so, and it doesn't necessarily incline anyone else to believe you. I am suspicious of Codine because that's been about the only thing we've gotten. I'm actually more suspicious of Codine, but I can't put a finger on why. Maybe we should just chuck him off and see what Dafyd says about him.

Otto and the snake. I don't know anything about Otto. I know who has been suspicious of Otto, and that's it. I'm suspicious because I know nothing, and on this, the second day of our impromptu involuntary incarceration, that should not be so. He's another to investigate -- possibly violently.

Reppik Tew. You avoid anything resembling finding innocents and instead want to pursue random lynching. You sew seeds of discord and mistrust. Those two things are enough to get you lynched, because they are both text book examples of being Possessed. Only you messed up, got noticed, and are about to make a trip outside to inspect the rear tire.

Lesley. Miss "I'm innocent!" Lesley. Why the heck should anyone believe you? What have you got in the way of proof? What, aside from generally trying to gum up the works, have you done to help us out of this situation? Why haven't you offered any reasons for us to believe your plea of innocence? I'm not buying it. I think you're guilty, and I intend to see you off this bus.
 

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Posted by Wet Kipper (# 1654) on :
 
Reppik Tew flickers into life, his body looking even more human than before, though his face is a pale grey colour, and a black band appears on his upper arm. The movement of his lips now matched the voice which appeared in each person's thoughts
I mourn the loss of Crimson, as others have done also. This is a setback to our efforts in finding and removing the Possessed. Having accessed my memory banks I cannot see any indication from her contributions that she had a special ability, so I expect the Possessed are counting this as a stroke of luck, rather than a calculated action - though if others are able to offer proof that this is not the case, I am prepared to be educated.
the grey colour fades, but the black band remains

John, you nominate me immediately, based on previous discussions, rather than any logical reason based on what has happened overnight.
You accuse me of pursuing random lynchings, and avoiding finding innocents ?
- Yes, my contribution challenged the behaviour or process suggested by Zapaterietxe, but that is all it was: a challenge to ensure we were on the correct track, after all it is dangerous to blindly follow a path without discussion, no ?
Zapaterietxe did back up the suggestion, which I welcomed.
- I did also join in the process of suggesting people whom I found suspicious - Hophtrig, and non-corporeal beings. Though not saying it by name, this did include Zapaterietxe who then laid into my points as if I was destroying our chances of staying alive. Some might suggest that this was a reaction to my impudence of not only challenging the "suspect 3" process suggested by a being of such intellect, but also going so far as to cast suspicion on them, but I would credit Zapaterietxe with more class than that.

You accuse me of sowing seeds of discord and mistrust ?
- I have joined in with the discussion, where others have remained mysteriously silent. This includes classing Hophtrig as suspicious, as others have done.
I am struggling to find what my correct course of action should have been. First I am accused of "covering up" for Lesley or distracting attention away from her, after many people had classed her as suspicious (as you still do), and yet when I take that one step further into nominating her, I am accused of splitting the vote ?

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Originally posted by Dafyd:


In addition, there is a mafia sympathiser. The sympathiser wins if the mafia win. The sympathiser knows who the ordinary mafia are; the ordinary mafia don't know who the sympathiser is. As no pms are allowed, the sympathiser cannot identify themselves to the rest of the mafia privately; any communication they attempt must be in public.

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(whomever you might deem that to me)

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Originally posted by Barefoot Friar:
Crimson subtly hinted that she might be a detective, and outright asked for protection. For whatever reason, that was not forthcoming. I'm sure the reason will arise later.
...
There were three or four obvious targets for the Possessed to murder, and she was one of them. These targets (Crimson, Zapa, me, and probably Eliabulon) are all organized, all recognize each others' innocence, and are all interested in flushing out the malevolent parties. No one had accused Crimson, it is true. But such an obvious hit leaves no doubt about who the culprits are.

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Originally posted by Barefoot Friar:
Eliabulon has gone silent. Given the amount of talk in the opening hours, this is slightly disconcerting.

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Originally posted by JFH:
Joostein never säyings Gräfinn tälk too much, but too unfoocused änd tooo brooad. Æsy foor päviän coounter, just moove froom coover oof äll too prä... prä... präcticäl pooints, with list oof three toop nämes.

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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:
Ios thinks Halftrack made sense when he (she? it?) said this about how to correlate the Detective and Anti- Detectives abilities. But she's (Ios, not Halftrack) is rather muddled and not quite sure, and as an outward and visible sign of that inward and invisible confusion, she is muddling up her apostrophes.

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Originally posted by Wet Kipper:
I am intrigued to the identity of this sympathiser. Someone who knows who the Possessed are, but cannot alert them to this other than agreeing to what they say, or standing up for them when accused.

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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:
The Grafinn suggested that the Possessed's way to win is to sow confusion and division. I think the innocents are capable of sowing a lot of confusion and division all on our own through panic and competing suspicions.

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Originally posted by JFH:
You know what you think baddies will do, but will not share it so that we could all see it?

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Originally posted by JFH:
Most likely, by now the sympathizer has already made himself known to the killers, or is infinitely stupid.

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As no pms are allowed, the sympathiser cannot identify themselves to the rest of the mafia privately; any communication they attempt must be in public.

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Originally posted by JFH:
Regarding winning by killing the sympathizer, we can win a day by doing so.

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Originally posted by JFH:
As for your previous accusation of me, I think a specific discussion, such as listing 3 people, can at times give more information, not less.

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Originally posted by JFH:
Furthermore, overly verbose players can actually turn more silent people off from joining in the discussion.

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Originally posted by JFH:
And you've been doing your regular "Logics! Kill!" routine, but produced illogical muck-filled posts all along.

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Originally posted by JFH:
As for the vote, could someone give me a quick recap of the actual interactions that have caused suspicions against the nominated? I think for Otto and Hophtrig the silence speaks against them, but what's the specific triggers leading up to Reppik being nominated? I would like to see this before I decide upon my vote. Could someone do this (in brief)?

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Originally posted by Wet Kipper:
Excuse me. Whilst the suggestion that we list 3 fellow travellers who arouse our suspisions the most is admirable - in terms of starting discussions and providing an insight into our thoughts - it fails my logic computations for a number of reasons:
1. The resultant tally of suspicions is more likely to show a mean level of suspicions across a higher number of candidates than if we each suggested one person
2. It further clouds later discussion and calculations when trying to track each person's ideas - this is not a concern for *my* computational abilities, but is unfair to those of lower processing power.
3. It permits the malevolent to include one of their own number within their choice of good/bad/ugly as a bluff or smokescreen, though this carries risk of said bluff being inadvertently taken up by others and turned into a nomination.
4. It lowers the requirement to stand by one's choices, were we to limit our initial suspicions to a single traveller.
5. It further increases the time spent before action is taken with actual nominations.
I agree there is merit in the opinions already provided, and not wishing to go against the course that many have so far taken, however, to abide by what I have just stated, I shall limit my discussions.
I am most suspicious of that which I cannot compute, usually due to insufficient information.
What currently_ _ _ _ confuses me most is the seemingly boundless energy of the being Hophtrig, and any non-corporeal entities.

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Originally posted by Eliab:
Zere vas also a suspected collusion between Reppic und Lesley. Zat, of course, vould depend on Lesley being guilty, und I see no reason to think zat, so I vill let Zapaterietxe argue zis if he vishes. I do not think zat he is saying zat his case depends on zis point. I think ze stronger reason to suspect Reppic is how Reppic acted yesterday.

But I also think zat Reppic's think today has been clearer und more helpful zan before. Zat does not mean he is not guilty – he might just be hiding it better. Und I do not think I am likely to vote for either Otto or Hophtrig more zan Reppic. But vile Otto particularly is under threat, I think ve might as vell see if zat makes him think und speak more zan he has. So I vant to hear Otto's defence before I vote.

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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:
Joostein, I think John The Less nominated Reppik Tew because he (John) thought he (Reppik) was pretending to offer extended logical arguments, but in fact what he (Reppik) offered was as shifty and unsubstantial as this sand we're mired in. John's suspicions of Reppik seem to be on the same grounds as your suspicions of the Grafinn. And may I ask, if that's the case, why you didn't nominate the Grafinn today to be exfenestrated to retrieve our engine?

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Originally posted by Wet Kipper:
I'd forgotten that it's not about who gets the most votes, but if someone gets to more than 50% of the votes.

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Fifty per cent of the votes cast is required to lynch somebody. In the unlikely event of a tie, the last person to be killed by the mafia gets the casting vote.

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Originally posted by Dafyd:
Eviction requires at least half of all eligible voters.

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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:
So is that at least half of EVERYBODY who is alive? Or as it seemed to be at the beginning, at least half of everybody who CASTS A VOTE?

Management, could you please clarify?

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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:
To send Otto after the engine, all four beings yet to vote must vote for Otto. To send Reppik Tew after the engine, just two more votes are needed. Hophtrig is safe.

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Originally posted by Wet Kipper:
and see if what i am able to do during the night helps us in our cause.

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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:
I am going to feel really awful if it turns out I have been part of lynching either the doctor or inspector Lestrade.

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Crimson vas Lestrade. You mean ze detective.

(Und zey vunder vy ve Pavians have a reputation for pedantry! It is because ozers do not pay attention to ze details).
 

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Posted by Surfing Madness (# 11087) on :
 
Just dropping by to vote for Reppik Tew. (Also in real life won't be back on here till Tuesday.)
 

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Posted by Autenrieth Road (# 10509) on :
 
Cripes, Eliabulon, you're right. Oh, the subtle differences between Police Inspectors and Police Detectives! Let's hope the real Detective read Crimson's death announcement correctly and figured out they're a Truth Reader and not a Lie Reader. Otherwise the Real Detective has spent this entire round thinking backwards about who is innocent and guilty.

It might have been sensible this round for the Real Detective to have announced his/her/its identity and asked explicitly for protection from the Doctor. Also to reveal what she/he/it found out last night about someone's innocence or guilt. That would have given us some certain information to work with today.

It is not so sensible for the Doctor to announce its/hers/his identity, because no-one can protect the Doctor. (Can the Doctor protect her/it/him-self? That could lead to an interesting game of nighttime bluff and counterbluff between an announced Doctor and the Possessed guessing about whether the Doctor will protect him/it/her-self, and whether it would be risking a wasted night to try to kill the Doctor.)

I consider announcements to be Police (whether Detective or Inspectors) or Doctors to be, if not entirely uncounterfeitable, to be dangerous claims for the baddies to make Falsely -- because it means that you immediately identify yourself as Possessed to the real Police or Doctor, and if the real Police or Doctor counterclaims, then the baddie is within one round of being known for a baddie by everyone.

And they're foolish claims for the innocent to make falsely, because they just confuse things massively.

[ 14. March 2014, 12:07: Message edited by: Autenrieth Road ]
 

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Posted by Autenrieth Road (# 10509) on :
 
Votes so far:

Choey - Hophtrig
Ja'ayem - Otto
Hophtrig - Otto
Zapatereitxe - Reppik
Lady Celandine - Reppik
Lovely Lesley - No Lynching
John The Less - Reppik
Ios - Reppik
Otto - Reppik
Joostein - Otto
Grafinn Eliabulon - Reppik
Reppik Tew - No Lynching
Daisy - Reppik

Still to vote:
Codine

Reppik, are there any final words you would like to share with us before Management activates the intercom to confirm that we may escort you to the airlock? Before Management activates the intercom to confirm that we may escort you to the airlock? Drat, even mentions of the intercom are malfunctioning. Drat, even mentions of the intercom are malfunctioning.
 

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Posted by Gwai (# 11076) on :
 
Should have voted before I left work, but I was running late. Yes, even good servants have to run to be at their master's door in time. Well, I will vote even though it is too late too matter. Still, it's the best choice I see. I hope deeply that he isn't the doctor or the final detective, but honestly I'm not persuaded by that final plea. Not clear enough, and too late. So if you're innocent or a special, I apologize, but I have to vote for Reppik.
 

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Posted by Wet Kipper (# 1654) on :
 
(RL)
In answer to John, I am a person who hasn't played as much Mafia as some think, therefore I do have bad timing, and have also been restricted in when I can post.
My reasoning behind such a late action is thus:

I have claimed to have a special role.
I am only trying to sway 2 people away from voting for me
If I am lying, then there are 2 people who can prove that.
- they can either both keep quiet, protecting their own identity, and lives for another day and allow an innocoent person to get away with a desperate, cheap shot to stay alive
- they can speak up, blowing their own cover, and condemn a Guilty person who even tried pretending to have a special ability.

By not claiming one role or the other, I have prevented anyone from having to draw a target on their own back, though I have admittedly either set myself up for a "hit" overnight, or a lynching tomorrow
 

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Posted by Wet Kipper (# 1654) on :
 
ah

have just seen the other votes.

oh well.

Don't all rush to chuck me out at once, I have a death scene in mind and it might take me a while to type it all out
 

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Posted by JFH (# 14794) on :
 
Please make sure to leave all valuables in an easily accessible bag, with a note telling Joostein to whom it should be sent once we get off this planet. It will sooo happen. (PLOONDERINGS!)
 

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Posted by Autenrieth Road (# 10509) on :
 
Reppik, if you are the Detective, be sure to tell us who you investigated last night and what you found out, before heading out into the xtonic blue yonder. This will be very helpful for us.

If you are the Doctor, let us know who you protected last night and why. I can't think of any immediate use we can make of that information, but all information is useful.
 

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Posted by Gwai (# 11076) on :
 
"See, this is why Codine thinks Ios has got to be innocent. She thinks of things like this. There I am hoping he's not our last detective, and she's busy giving practical suggestions in case he is."
 

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Posted by Dafyd (# 5549) on :
 

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Originally posted by Surfing Madness:
Just dropping by to vote for Reppik Tew.

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Originally posted by Dimthing Tours Management:
There are three ordinary mafia members. Once per night they will pm me with the name of somebody they wish to kill, and that person is out of the game (with one exception) unless protected by the Doctor.

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Originally posted by Wet Kipper:
Bang goes my elaborate death scene.

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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:
Mr. Manager sir, what is that one exception? Does that mean there's an innocent whom the Mafia can't kill even if they try?

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Originally posted by Codine:
"See, this is why Codine thinks Ios has got to be innocent. She thinks of things like this. There I am hoping he's not our last detective, and she's busy giving practical suggestions in case he is."

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Originally posted by Dafyd:
Lesley in an act of heroic self-sacrifice bodyslams Reppik out of the airlock.
They are both dead. They are both dead.

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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:

Unexpected item in bagging area...
Unexpected item in bagging area...
Unexpected item in bagging area...

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[ 14. March 2014, 19:47: Message edited by: Kelly Alves ]
 

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Posted by Eliab (# 9153) on :
 

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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:
I'll let ze Grafinn explain whether the loss of Lovely Lesley leaves us with no net gain against the Possessed today, or whether we have advanced numerically.

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Originally posted by Eliab:

Of zose, Lesley is dead. I vould guess zat zere is vun killer und ze sympathiser in ze group Choey, Ja'ayem, Hophtrig und Joostein. I had my suspicions of Joostein before. I think zat Hophtrig is likely to be innocent. But I vould like to hear from all three vith ze reasons for zeir voting.

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Originally posted by Barefoot Friar:
You never seemed to come to a definite conclusion about whether Zapaterietxe is trustworthy or not. You seemed to lean toward thinking he is, at least for now. Am I reading you correctly?

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Originally posted by Barefoot Friar:
And for those who suspect Otto: Other than his silence and his nomination of Hophtrig, what are you seeing? Admittedly both are throwing a yellow flag for me, but what else is going on?

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Originally posted by Starbug:
However, one does strongly suspect Grafinn, who has been trying to direct the conversation and lay down 'rules' that may or may not be valid (this is one's first trip of this kind, so one is not too sure). Even if the rules are valid, there has been rather too much dictating from Grafinn

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Originally posted by Starbug:
[Hophtrig] has changed his behaviour since the crash. This could be because he is scared, or could be a sign of possession.

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Originally posted by Choey:
Perhaps it would prove beneficial to once more look at the ACTIONS of those we are discussing.

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Otto and Choey are also good guys, though she is fairly certain a great many accusations are about to be raised against them both. She is watching for who will try to deflect attention back on to the innocent.

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Originally posted by Ariston:
Finally, you're right that...

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Originally posted by JFH:

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Originally posted by Ariston:
Finally, you're right that...

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(Psst... Zapa... Your code's slipping!)

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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:
Umm, Zapaterietxe? Sir? Ma'am? It? I believe you are wrong about when people were safe in the voting. For example, I think it was the Grafinn's vote, not mine, which rendered Otto safe. And Otto was not yet safe when Joostein voted for Otto. Have you perhaps overlooked that exactly half the votes are enough to send someone after our engine? An actual majority is not needed. At least, that is what I understand the tour operators to have said.

I don't think this changes the import of what you are saying, though.

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Originally posted by Banner Lady:
Choey munched on some popcorn in the dark. She wondered why the angel man was being so unpleasant. She was certainly not the only one on the bus who had chosen to communicate little when there was simply nothing to communicate.

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As for not nominating or voting for Reppik Tew, she had not seen any evidence to be convinced of his guilt the first time, and when he “recalibrated to appear less threatening” she thought he might have a special role and wanted to see if his actions in the second round might make this clearer.

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Being driven by bloodlust was simply a silly accusation. Choey had puzzled over some things from time to time, like how does one lynch a hyperactive feather boa constrictor? And who the Grafinn might nominate for lynching - because the Grafinn’s opinions were always well thought out. But Choey had nominated no-one yet, and voted for a fellow passenger only once, when she had been convinced he was up to no good, and getting away with it.

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The detective may well choose to investigate either Otto or Choey overnight, but will probably learn a great deal more that is beneficial to us all by investigating one of the three who voted for Otto. Time will tell.

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Choey does not know for sure that Otto is innocent, she merely communicated that she was inclined to believe he is. She has also, until recently, been very suspicious of the angel man. If he chooses to throw his weight into offing a fellow innocent, it is a sad waste of the people power we have left. Choey would be interested to hear from others as to how they are ranking the most innocent to the least, to see if there is any consensus beginning to form.

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1. "I'm suspicious of the person so obviously trying to help the innocents." Of course you are! And again, claiming innocence on your own say-so?
2. Interested in hearing from others? Well, finally, another good sign. Looks like someone learned from Reppik. I'll think this one over, but you probably know who's at the very top.

[ 16. March 2014, 16:54: Message edited by: Ariston ]
 

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Posted by Dafyd (# 5549) on :
 
A reminder that those who haven't taken night actions yet have twelve hours to do so.
 

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Posted by Banner Lady (# 10505) on :
 
Choey sucked on a chocolate thickshake thoughtfully. She was surprised the angel man was painting such a big target on himself if he was as innocent as she thought he was.

It would be an ideal situation for the bad guys if two innocents go into accusation mode before the next murder. The mafia can simply kill one of them, so that the other becomes the main suspect.

Choey had spent much of the last round thinking that John and Zapaterietxe were the likely Mafia and Lady Celandine the sympathizer. The voting in the last round had changed her opinion. It was ironic that the very person she had most suspected now wanted her dead.

She was also beginning to think that the angel man was displaying more aggression than sense - but then some species were very strange. What it did prove though, was that Zapaterietxe was no detective. Perhaps that was his saving grace.
 

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Posted by Barefoot Friar (# 13100) on :
 

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Originally posted by Banner Lady:
She was surprised the angel man was painting such a big target on himself if he was as innocent as she thought he was.

It would be an ideal situation for the bad guys if two innocents go into accusation mode before the next murder. The mafia can simply kill one of them, so that the other becomes the main suspect.

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Originally posted by Banner Lady:
There is an obvious difference between a threat and expressing surprise at stupidity. Choey might be a dumb animal, but she was beginning to think a couple of her fellow passengers were not as smart as they thought they were.

Accusations in the dark only play into the hands of the bad guys. Thinking through the list of likely innocents is far more beneficial for the good guys.

The next round will be critical for each side. This is not a threat. This is just a reflection of the way things are.

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Originally posted by Zapaterietxe:
kill Otto, and Choey looks bad, and Hophtrig looks good (as does, to some degree, Joostein and Ja'ayem)

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Originally posted by Ios:

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Originally posted by Zapaterietxe:
kill Otto, and Choey looks bad, and Hophtrig looks good (as does, to some degree, Joostein and Ja'ayem)

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Please explain. I would think killing Otto makes Choey The Otto Defender look good, and Hophtrig The Otto Nominator look bad.

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Picking her way carefully past Otto and his feather boa constrictor, she sat firmly and deliberately next to John. He seemed a trustworthy sort.

The boa constrictor was looking suspiciously at Hopthrig. She wondered why. Could his change of behaviour since the crash mean that he was possessed?

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Picking her way carefully past Otto and his feather boa constrictor, she sat firmly and deliberately next to John. He seemed a trustworthy sort.

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The boa constrictor was looking suspiciously at Hopthrig. She wondered why. Could his change of behaviour since the crash mean that he was possessed?

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With so many votes for Otto, what shoud, she do? Despite all the arguments, she wan't convinced of his guilt - there just didn't seem to be enough evidence.

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As for Hophtrig, he seemed to have calmed down but was that evidence of possession? He may simply be afraid.

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One suspects neither Otto or Hophtrig at this stage.

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Originally posted by Eliab:
All ze comments look to me as if zey vere deductions, und not detective findings, except for vun. John is innocent.

(Und not unreadable – if he vere unreadable, Lady Celandine vould have known ven Reppic died zat he vas also innocent, but she said zat she trusted him before zen).

(Crossed vith John. Who I think is right about zere being a clue, but wrong about vat is vas - I think it vas zat he is innocent, not zat Otto is guilty. Also, John vas talking more, und Celandine vas more likely to have investigated him zan Otto).

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Picking her way carefully past Otto and his feather boa constrictor, she sat firmly and deliberately next to John. He seemed a trustworthy sort.

The boa constrictor was looking suspiciously at Hopthrig. She wondered why. Could his change of behaviour since the crash mean that he was possessed?

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that, since nobody got kidnapped rather than murdered last night, she didn't somehow get the tour director to give her two extra votes, and she hasn't started a campaign for us to grant her power over life and death, the Grafinn is probably not Possessed.

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Originally posted by Barefoot Friar:
Dafyd can you tell us if she did investigate someone and get an answer? A simple yes or no will suffice.

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Originally posted by Dafyd:

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Originally posted by Barefoot Friar:
Dafyd can you tell us if she did investigate someone and get an answer? A simple yes or no will suffice.

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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:
Being innocent and having the exact same thing thought of me, feels very odd. Is it possible to have a naturally devious demeanor? A demeanor at least in words -- in person Ios' great great great great great aunt Autenrieth Road was said to have had the exact opposite of a poker face, and Ios expected that she, Ios, had inherited that.

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Originally posted by Jay-Emm:
I've not looked at the transcripts beyond quoted. But it seems we have two questions.
1) What did Lucy tell us. Unless he's missed quoting something I think Graffin's idea about John's innocence is right**. But will have to find what Joosteins's seen.
2) Why did the mafia kill her. If they killed her as the detective they must have seen something (possibly a declaration of innocence, possibly she named one of them as suspicious - if so we might see who).

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Originally posted by Barefoot Friar:

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Originally posted by Dafyd:

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Originally posted by Barefoot Friar:
Dafyd can you tell us if she did investigate someone and get an answer? A simple yes or no will suffice.

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I think that answers my question. Thank you.

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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:
Reppik, Hophtrig and Eliabulon as the Possessed. Playing a devious game of Multiple Bluff.

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So it seems to me to be a choice between maximizing your knowledge of me, by sealing the deal, or maximizing my own knowledge about others by not doing so. I think making this stand, and voting at this point (I could wait for a few hours and leave the call up to others) should speak to my willingness to present information about myself, rather than to hide.

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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:

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Originally posted by Barefoot Friar:

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Originally posted by Dafyd:

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Originally posted by Barefoot Friar:
Dafyd can you tell us if she did investigate someone and get an answer? A simple yes or no will suffice.

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No, I am not going to tell you that. No communications regarding the detective's activities post-mortem allowed.

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I think that answers my question. Thank you.

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What does it tell you? It doesn't tell me anything.

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Originally posted by me:
Hophtrig is the Sympathiser, nominated quickly to provide cover for the possessed

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• The Hop-Thing
  The velvet-clad servant
  The Graffin
  The boa-constrictor

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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:
John, I'll think about what you propose. At the moment I'm inclined to vote for Otto just to find out what he's hiding behind the feather boa constrictor (if anything). I think we learn valuable information even if we're mistaken and he's innocent. But I hadn't yet given serious thought to voting for someone else, and the pros and cons of that. So I'll think it over now.

[cross posted again]

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• Quiet. When working with younglings, never trust the quiet - that is an indication that they do not want to be noticed.
• Deferring to another with whom no-one else can communicate. What Hophtrig would call the "dolly did it" ploy.
• Changing subject quickly. Hophtrig knows, when younglings say the minimum necessary, then change back to themselves or the world round about, they want to stifle deep discussion. One always wonders why.

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Originally posted by Cho Bacca:
Those who voted late, after Reppik was decided by the Graffin were somewhat suspect: Ios, Daisy and Codine.

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Originally posted by Alban:
Hophtrig is even more suspicious.
Hophtrig knows only one person on board with a title, which a "the" could be applied before. The Graffin.
Hophtrig wants to trust the Graffin, for the Graffin has spoken what sounded a lot like wisdom. But Hophtrig is beginning to wonder. Hophtrig is confused, which makes Hophtrig sad.

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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:
One thing Eliabulon has done differently from her relatives, forebears, and antecedents is that usually on the first day they say they're laying everything they think out in full detail so we can use it in case they're killed the first night. The Grafinn has not said this. Guilty oversight? Or just normal variation in expression?

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Originally posted by Banner Lady:
And if the Grafinn and the dark angel are on the side of the good guys then I would certainly like to see their lists.

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Originally posted by Starbug:
'You,' she gasped. 'I tried to warn the others about you, but they wouldn't...' Her lip trembled and she bit it to regain composure. A De Cooperhoop never showed emotion in front of a being of inferior breeding. Daddy would expect her to make a Good Death. '...they wouldn't listen.'

'Listen to me, all of you! Think about everything I said before! Don't trust the...'

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Originally posted by JFH:
Note how the Grafinn has not responded to my post or to John's "You're going down" post. This is a Pavian we're talking about, people. Note how she was silent for ten hours, until you folks started to doubt the accusations - then she appears.

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Either I or Eliabulon should leave the bus tonight - and it's Eliabulon who has been pointed out by a detective.

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Originally posted by JFH:
I am the doctor.

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And I predict a couple of hours of silence from the Pavian.

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Originally posted by Starbug:
One suspects neither Otto or Hophtrig at this stage. However, one does strongly suspect Grafinn, who has been trying to direct the conversation and lay down 'rules' that may or may not be valid (this is one's first trip of this kind, so one is not too sure). Even if the rules are valid, there has been rather too much dictating from Grafinn, which leads one to be very suspicious.

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Originally posted by Starbug:
One suspects neither Otto or Hophtrig at this stage. However, one does strongly suspect Grafinn, who has been trying to direct the conversation and lay down 'rules' that may or may not be valid (this is one's first trip of this kind, so one is not too sure). Even if the rules are valid, there has been rather too much dictating from Grafinn, which leads one to be very suspicious.

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That was speculation, not a detective claim. Joostein is full of it.

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Originally posted by JFH:
...speaking out if you claim to be a doctor.

This is the right point to do so, where we still have fresh information from the detective and when striking a false mafia claim will bring them down to one measly possessed - and plenty of tracks to trail.

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Originally posted by Eliab:
If ze false claimant (either Joostein himself or anyvun who tries to frame him vith a false claim) is ze sympathiser, zen ve vould still face two Possessed after killing zem.

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Dimthing Tours are pleased to inform you that John the Less is innocent. In addition, John has secretly got medical training: (Doctor). When night falls, pm me with the name of one other player whom you wish to protect. If the mafia try to kill that player during the night, their attempt will fail.

You are allowed to protect yourself.

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Originally posted by JFH:

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Originally posted by Eliab:
If ze false claimant (either Joostein himself or anyvun who tries to frame him vith a false claim) is ze sympathiser, zen ve vould still face two Possessed after killing zem.

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I call this sending messages in public.

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Originally posted by Alban:
The Feather Boa Costrictor, Hophtrig thinks Hophtrig will call the constrictor Squeezy, wanted Hophtrig gone because Hophtrig wanted it's Otto gone? Hophtrig can understand that as a reason, but Hophtrig believes Squeezy is much cleverer than that. Squeezy wanted Reppik gone, but didn't tell us why, either that or Hophtrig wasn't listening very well, Hophtrig does that sometimes. And then Squeezy wanted Hophtrig gone. Come on, Squeezy, we're all friends here, there must be more to it than revenge?

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Originally posted by Eliab:
Und now I have to make sense of zere being two claimed doctors, vith ze vun who I vould have thought had exposed you, und been cleared himself, thinking zat you are innocent. Vun of you is lying. Vy John should lie, I have no idea. But if he is not lying, vy vould he say you are innocent? Zis I do not promise zat I can explain.

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Originally posted by John The Less:
Joostein isn't the doctor. I am.

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But I'm not necessarily saying Joostein is a dog who needs lynching. Strange as it may sound, I think Joostein might actually be innocent.

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Originally posted by John The Less:
Oh, it's quite simple, Sweetcheeks. I think you're guilty. If it turns out you're not, then fine. We'll lynch Joostein. Either way, the guilty party goes, and with the added bonus of not having to listen to your shitstirring.

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Originally posted by JFH:
That John should role-claim as the doctor is the most unlucky of possible outcomes, but at the same time that guarantees him to be safe and guarantees that we have one confirmed innocent throughout the rest of the game

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Originally posted by JFH:
If the Grafinn is guilty, John is unknown.

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Originally posted by JFH:
That John should role-claim as the doctor is the most unlucky of possible outcomes...

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Originally posted by Barefoot Friar:
Oh, another thing:

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Originally posted by JFH:
That John should role-claim as the doctor is the most unlucky of possible outcomes...

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How is this unlucky?

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Originally posted by Barefoot Friar:

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Originally posted by JFH:
If the Grafinn is guilty, John is unknown.

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(...) Hells bells, why would she wait until after voting was over to say anything?

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Originally posted by Barefoot Friar:
Codine, I'm choosing to trust you now. I've looked you over and decided you work better as an innocent than Possessed.

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Originally posted by Gwai:
Do we have to pick one or the other as untrustworthy?

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