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Pine Marten
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How fabulous that the human remains in Leicester have been confirmed as those of Richard III. He will be reburied in Leicester Cathedral, probably next year. I am such a happy bunny that I just want to tell the world!
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But will they be burying him according to the rites he would have known in his lifetime, namely a full Latin Requiem Mass?
It just doesn't seem right to send him off with modern Common Worship rites.......... ![[Ultra confused]](graemlins/confused2.gif)
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Indeed! On the press conference this morning the Cathedral man (sorry, can't remember his name) said they are now going to start planning the ceremony, so I imagine that will be one of the things uppermost in their minds...
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<=<= I feel my avatar should have a small smile on his face.
It would be really cool if they got the Archbishop of Westminster to do the Requiem.
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Originally posted by PeteC:
<=<= I feel my avatar should have a small smile on his face.
It would be really cool if they got the Archbishop of Westminster to do the Requiem.
According to the Medieval Franciscan use?
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Amazing news. I've been fascinated by Richard in the past, due to Shakespeare and that book -- is it The Thief of Time? I wish I could attend the ceremony . . .
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The book is The Daughter of Time by Josephine Tey, which was a pseudonym of Elizabeth Mackintosh. She also wrote plays - notably Richard of Bordeaux - under the pseudonym of Gordon Daviot.
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Why, thank you, loyal Pine Marten. You shall have at least a baronetcy when We take up Our kingdom.
We think We shall have to go about ordering a new crown, though. The current one is soiled for Us by its long association with those parvenus, the Windsors.
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Originally posted by PeteC:
<=<= I feel my avatar should have a small smile on his face.
It would be really cool if they got the Archbishop of Westminster to do the Requiem.
I think they should bring back Viv Faull to do the honours.
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'Vivat' seems slightly inaccurate though!
For interested people who may not be aware, there's a programme following the archaeologists on Channel 4 tonight. Link (and 4oD is available in Ireland too unlike iPlayer!)
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Originally posted by Pine Marten:
How fabulous that the human remains in Leicester have been confirmed as those of Richard III. He will be reburied in Leicester Cathedral, probably next year. I am such a happy bunny that I just want to tell the world!
Why is this such happy-making news?
It's very interesting, but the man was a nepoticide, a usurper and by our standards perpetrator of an abounding breach of trust.
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Originally posted by Enoch:
quote:
Originally posted by Pine Marten:
How fabulous that the human remains in Leicester have been confirmed as those of Richard III. He will be reburied in Leicester Cathedral, probably next year. I am such a happy bunny that I just want to tell the world!
Why is this such happy-making news?
It's very interesting, but the man was a nepoticide, a usurper and by our standards perpetrator of an abounding breach of trust.
Here we go...
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Well, I'm delighted anyway.
And now we know for a fact that the 'withered arm' legend can be added to the list of More's demonstrable falsehoods.
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Originally posted by Enoch:
the man was a nepoticide, a usurper and by our standards perpetrator of an abounding breach of trust.
if you choose to believe the Tudor 'spin' on history
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Pine Marten
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Originally posted by Enoch:
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Originally posted by Pine Marten:
How fabulous that the human remains in Leicester have been confirmed as those of Richard III. He will be reburied in Leicester Cathedral, probably next year. I am such a happy bunny that I just want to tell the world!
Why is this such happy-making news?
It's very interesting, but the man was a nepoticide, a usurper and by our standards perpetrator of an abounding breach of trust.
Deep breath... (the extremely short version follows) well, to be absolutely accurate there is no proof that the princes were murdered by anyone, so to call him a nepoticide is not correct; he had a legitimate claim to the crown; you can't judge somebody of the 15th century 'by our standards' - besides I think he was easily in danger of being executed himself if the Woodvilles got their way. Hindsight from 500 years on is a marvellous thing.
I am a proud member of the Richard III Society ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Richard III was very popular in York, so perhaps York Minster has a claim to be his last resting place. After his death at the battle of Bosworth Field the city fathers placed on record (very bravely, in the circumstances) that 'King Richard ... was through great treason piteously slain and murdered, to the great heaviness of this city.'
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Originally posted by Enoch:
It's very interesting, but the man was a nepoticide, a usurper and by our standards perpetrator of an abounding breach of trust.
Given the usual modus operandi of medieval monarchs, that's a pretty clean crime sheet. Show me the medieval monarch not guilty of at least one piece of Grade A nastiness.
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Tangent //
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Originally posted by Laud-able:
The book is The Daughter of Time by Josephine Tey, which was a pseudonym of Elizabeth Mackintosh. She also wrote plays - notably Richard of Bordeaux - under the pseudonym of Gordon Daviot.
![[Eek!]](eek.gif) I'm gob-smacked. "Gordon Daviot" was a former pupil of my school and we had to slog through a dire play of hers - but I'm sure our teacher never mentioned she was also Josephine Tey! I think my English teacher had actually known her.
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Originally posted by Boadicea Trott:
But will they be burying him according to the rites he would have known in his lifetime, namely a full Latin Requiem Mass?
It just doesn't seem right to send him off with modern Common Worship rites..........
Well, I think he was very much a pragmatist, whatever he did or didn't do to his nephews, so any form of decent burial should do.
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Is there a Society for many English monarchs?
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I gather it won't be a funeral, whatever it is, because he already had one. I guess, like being baptized, you can only be done once.
The phrases I saw used in reports were "ecumenical" and "memorial service".
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Originally posted by Enoch:
It's very interesting, but the man was a nepoticide, a usurper and by our standards perpetrator of an abounding breach of trust.
The book noted above, Tey's The Daughter of Time, makes a pretty good case against these claims, especially nepoticide.
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Richard III is my absolute favourite king of England so I too am chuffed that he will finally have an identified grave. I'm guessing that it will have to be in Leicester but for choice I'd go with York Minster, if not Westminster Abbey. But I do find the images of the skeletons curved spine very poignant.
Where ever he is buried I hope that he doesn't simply become the focus of the best efforts of that areas tourist information dept.
I was also wondering about the form of a reburial and whether or not it ought to be Catholic. After all Richard predates the reformation by at least one generation.
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By his own beliefs and the teaching of the church at the time, he presumably ought to be buried in unconsecrated ground as he died without confession ?
Either way praying for his soul in purgatory / hell would seen consonant with the beliefs of the day.
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@The Riv ... not really, but those who came to sticky ends or who some believe to have been maligned do attract supporters.
Some very High Anglicans venerate King Charles I, King and Martyr as though he were a Saint.
'George III,' as the Clerihew famously has it, 'Ought never to have occurred. One can only wonder at so grotesque a blunder,' but that hasn't stopped revisionists (and Prince Charles) from claiming that he wasn't a bad old stick after all ...
Actually, the poor chap was suffering from a rather unpleasant condition and, to be fair to him, it often surprises Americans to hear that he actually paid Washington some compliments later on ...
School kids tend not to learn lists of Kings and Queens by rote as we used to ... I could probably reel off the whole post-1066 list even now and also some of the pre-Conquest kings - although it gets a lot messier the further back you go with some kings having a kingdom no bigger than your local parking lot and a few football pitches or two.
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some kings having a kingdom no bigger than your local parking lot ...
As has Richard III for a long time ...
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Originally posted by Porridge:
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Originally posted by Enoch:
It's very interesting, but the man was a nepoticide, a usurper and by our standards perpetrator of an abounding breach of trust.
The book noted above, Tey's The Daughter of Time, makes a pretty good case against these claims, especially nepoticide.
She did make a good case for how nasty Henry VII was, and that it would totally be in his nature to off a couple of kids in his path. But I have to wonder: if Richard III had preserved them and he had not lost to Henry Tudor, what did he plan to do with them when they grew up? It seems to me they would forever be a threat to Richard's reign. Like Mary Stuart, IMO they most likely would have been under indefinite house arrest until the inevitable plot was uncovered and the princes executed for treason.
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It was sweet how the archaeologist put a royal standard over the box with his bones in to carry it to the van
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In some ways the documentary is more interesting as a study of the meaning made of this by Philippa Langley, rather than the archaeology - given we already know the punchline.
I do think the presenter is a bit of a useless herbert. We could have done with a little bit of concise historical analysis - after all they are padding this out to 90 minutes. I can see why they didn't give it to Starky as I think he would have eaten Philippa alive - but the commentary would probably have been more insightful.
(Watching in concert with this thread.)
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(Impressed that More4 are showing Starkey's Monarchy on Richard the third directly after C4 documentary. Slightly forgive dorky commentary on the king in the carpark.)
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Originally posted by Lyda*Rose:
She did make a good case for how nasty Henry VII was, and that it would totally be in his nature to off a couple of kids in his path. But I have to wonder: if Richard III had preserved them and he had not lost to Henry Tudor, what did he plan to do with them when they grew up? It seems to me they would forever be a threat to Richard's reign. Like Mary Stuart, IMO they most likely would have been under indefinite house arrest until the inevitable plot was uncovered and the princes executed for treason.
I don't think anyone suggests Henry VII was a nice, Father Christmas, Bagpuss sort of chap. He seems to have been a cold fish. The difficulty with trying to shift the blame onto him though, is that the public at large were convinced the little princes were dead by late 1483, when Henry Tudor was still in Brittany.
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Starkey argues that the fact that the mother of the princes conspired with the mother of Henry Tudor, to marry her daughter to Henry Tudor, suggests she was convinced by that time that her sons were dead. This conspiracy was supposed to be instrumental in Henry's decision to cross the channel.
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I can see why they didn't give it to Starky as I think he would have eaten Philippa alive
Somebody ought to have done.
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While not a member of the Richard III Society, count me as definitely in his camp. His taking of the throne was rather out of character, so there must have been something serious that happened.
He certainly wouldn't have had the Obituary from the City of York if he'd been a murderer himself.
The fact that Henry VII didn't get any bad press for the manner in which he got rid of the Yorkists (the ones he didn't marry) while Richard III became a villain and hunchback just shows how winners write history - a significant, if obvious, lesson for students.
But, yes, Richard III was the last medieval King, given his participation in the Wars of the Roses and their aftermath, while Henry opened up the possibility that the Renaissance could happen in England, as well as the not-quite-Reformation brought about by his son, so, on the whole, Henry VII was a Good Thing in the end.
But, then again, Richard showed some enlightened ideas, so he might have been a Good Thing if he had survived.
The "what-ifs" of history! But I'm happy that he is at least now recognised properly.
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
... as he died without confession ...
I'd be surprised if that were the case. He died in battle: wouldn't it have been the custom to make one's confession and hear Mass before the battle started?
By chance, I've just finished re-reading The Seventh Son by Reay Tannahill, which portrays Richard as flawed, but certainly not the hunch-backed monster portrayed by Shakespeare (who was, after all, writing under the patronage of the Tudors).
I'm coming round to the idea that the killing of his nephews was more likely to have been at the behest of Margaret Beaufort, who it seems would have stopped at nothing to promote the cause of her son (who subsequently became Henry VII).
I'm glad they've found his remains, may he rest in peace and rise in glory.
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
'George III,' as the Clerihew famously has it, 'Ought never to have occurred. One can only wonder at so grotesque a blunder,' but that hasn't stopped revisionists (and Prince Charles) from claiming that he wasn't a bad old stick after all ...
Actually, the poor chap was suffering from a rather unpleasant condition and, to be fair to him, it often surprises Americans to hear that he actually paid Washington some compliments later on ...
George the First was reckoned
Vile, but viler George the Second.
And which mortal ever heard
Any good of George the Third?
When from earth the Fourth descended,
Heaven be praised, the Georges ended.
Actually, there is a connection here, because while Richard III was the last king to die in battle, George II was the last king to lead his troops into battle, at Dettingen in 1743.
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Originally posted by Enoch:
I don't think anyone suggests Henry VII was a nice, Father Christmas, Bagpuss sort of chap. He seems to have been a cold fish. The difficulty with trying to shift the blame onto him though, is that the public at large were convinced the little princes were dead by late 1483, when Henry Tudor was still in Brittany.
I think that's true (though it's not clear Tey knew of the extent of these rumors when she wrote TDOT.
However, it seems odd (as Tey notes) that there was never any mention of the boys' disappearance in the Bill of Attainder drawn up against Richard.
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Originally posted by Kaplan Corday:
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Originally posted by Gamaliel:
'George III,' as the Clerihew famously has it, 'Ought never to have occurred. One can only wonder at so grotesque a blunder,' but that hasn't stopped revisionists (and Prince Charles) from claiming that he wasn't a bad old stick after all ...
Actually, the poor chap was suffering from a rather unpleasant condition and, to be fair to him, it often surprises Americans to hear that he actually paid Washington some compliments later on ...
George the First was reckoned
Vile, but viler George the Second.
And which mortal ever heard
Any good of George the Third?
When from earth the Fourth descended,
Heaven be praised, the Georges ended.
Actually, there is a connection here, because while Richard III was the last king to die in battle, George II was the last king to lead his troops into battle, at Dettingen in 1743.
What an unspeakable libel on the character of our glorious former Sovereign George III, of late and happy memory! I live on the edge of the Loyalist Tract in a county founded in 1793 by those selfsame Loyalists. No town here is complete without any or all of the following: King Street, Queen Street, George Street or Charlotte Street.
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There is certainly no contemporary consensus that Richard III was innocent of his nephews' murders.
Peter Ackroyd, a serious though not academic historian, wrote in his popular The History Of England Volume I: Foundation (2011), "There can be little doubt that the two boys were murdered on the express or implicit order of Richard III".
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Richard III was very popular in York, so perhaps York Minster has a claim to be his last resting place. After his death at the battle of Bosworth Field the city fathers placed on record (very bravely, in the circumstances) that 'King Richard ... was through great treason piteously slain and murdered, to the great heaviness of this city.'
This came up in a predecessor to this thread - apparently Leicester Cathedral (which is walking distance from where he's been these five hundred years and more) was very keen to provide a fitting reburial place and there were no competing claims from either York Minster (probably one of Richard's own top choices) or Westminster Abbey.
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I don't know much about C of E burial rites. Do they include a basic "may all his sins be forgiven and may he find light and peace" clause? Seems like that would cover all the possible truths of his life. (If he hasn't already found forgiveness and light and peace.)
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I thought the Channel 4 programme was dreadful - a really good story and an appalling programme. I don't think the osteoarchaeologist was very happy.
Boogie said:
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It was sweet how the archaeologist put a royal standard over the box with his bones in to carry it to the van
If by 'sweet', you mean cloying and sickening, I'll agree.
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Somebody ought to have done.
Hear hear.
I suppose I feel quite disappointed as I did an MA in archaeology with Leicester and it just feels they compromised rather. I hope it was just that the programme gave this impression.
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Well, anyone whose name is immortalised in Cockney Rhyming Slang deserves a good resting place.
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It was sweet how the archaeologist put a royal standard over the box with his bones in to carry it to the van
If by 'sweet', you mean cloying and sickening, I'll agree.
No, I mean touching that she had an emotional attachment to the bones, and because of this showed them such respect.
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I am a proud member of the Richard III Society
Me too! Fabulous news isn't it.
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I thought the Channel 4 programme was dreadful - a really good story and an appalling programme. I don't think the osteoarchaeologist was very happy.
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It was sweet how the archaeologist put a royal standard over the box with his bones in to carry it to the van
If by 'sweet', you mean cloying and sickening, I'll agree.
As Phillipa Langley inaugurated the quest for King Richard's lost grave as part of her ongoing research for a book she is currently writing, and as members/supporters of the King Richard III Society raised much of the money to fund it, there was bound to be some involvement by her. However, I felt from very early in the programme (to be specific, when she could 'feel' Richard's presence under that "R" marked parking bay) that what could have been a serious investigative programme was going to be severely marred by emotional flim flam.
I suppose it was meant to make the programme more appealing to a wider audience. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
For the very little it's worth; my preferred villain in the Princes In The Tower story is Margaret Beaufort
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Originally posted by M.:
I thought the Channel 4 programme was dreadful - a really good story and an appalling programme. I don't think the osteoarchaeologist was very happy.
Boogie said:
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It was sweet how the archaeologist put a royal standard over the box with his bones in to carry it to the van
If by 'sweet', you mean cloying and sickening, I'll agree.
As Phillipa Langley inaugurated the quest for King Richard's lost grave as part of her ongoing research for a book she is currently writing, and as members/supporters of the King Richard III Society raised much of the money to fund it, there was bound to be some involvement by her. However, I felt from very early in the programme (to be specific, when she could 'feel' Richard's presence under that "R" marked parking bay) that what could have been a serious investigative programme was going to be severely marred by emotional flim flam.
I suppose it was meant to make the programme more appealing to a wider audience.
Yep - that's me, a 'wider audience' I wouldn't have ordinarily found the subject even vaguely interesting. I am a republican. As I said, I didn't find it cloying or sickening. I found the respect given to the bones touching.
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Where was Tony Robinson? I think he'd have made a much better job of marrying the emotional side of the story - the look on the bone specialist's face at times when faced with Langley's feelings about the subject were priceless - with the serious archeology than Simon Farnaby did.
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Originally posted by M.:
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It was sweet how the archaeologist put a royal standard over the box with his bones in to carry it to the van
If by 'sweet', you mean cloying and sickening, I'll agree.
No, I mean touching that she had an emotional attachment to the bones, and because of this showed them such respect.
I think it was unfortunate that Philippa came over as a bit... well, bonkers, which is a shame. She spoke at our Society AGM last year, and gave an interesting account of her involvement in the dig.
And if it wasn't for her grit and determination over 4 years this project would never even have been started, so all credit to her.
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