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Source: (consider it) Thread: From Sea to Sea to Sea - the Canada thread
Horseman Bree
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now that the Arctic is becoming navigable. A nice bright shiny new thread for the residents of Canuckistan to play in.

Lovely clean bright snow out my window, and only -20 C! No wind to speak of, so it is a nice day.

[Thread title edited for clarity - WW]

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Clear and cold here too. Moving van comes in the morning so madly packing here. Only need about another three or four days and I'll be ready for them! Am in the process of resolving (again) to never move again.

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It's warmed up to -29C here. Every single roadway is awful: like luge runs made with ribbed ice, not for your pleasure. Residential streets, highways, back lanes, everything is covered with this awful bumpy ice. Spring, come soon! But not with flooding, please!
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I wish it we would stay in one temperature range for a while. We drove to Christmas dinner through rain showers; two days later we woke up to 4C, then dropped over 20 degrees by nightfall. There's a 14 degree difference forecast between tomorrow's high and Thursday's. I never know what to wear outside, but I'm thinking a parka/flip-flop ensemble should cover all the bases. [Help]

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Windchill of -20 --my son has just gone out to play shinny, so he'll be a popsicle coming home. A good night to snuggle in front of the fire or the TV and plan tomorrow's turkey pot pie. [Smile] Probably do some laundry too. A nice introverted New Year's Eve.

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It was quite chilly here last night - When we got back from Midnight Mass I had to get dressed for bed! The temperature was down to 20C! [Eek!]

Bonne année à tous et toutes! / Happy New Year to all!

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Pete dear, my heart bleeds. [Big Grin] It was a nice, cold, clear sort of day here (about -7°), although it's due to drop a bit tomorrow, then more snow at the weekend and going up to +6° on Tuesday.

I don't understand Canadian weather.

Happy new year everyone! [Smile]

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Uncle Pete

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Canadian weather, as someone once said in quite another context, is not something to understand but a mystery to be enjoyed.

Or something.

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Happy New Year Canadians,

Talking of your weather, what is the weather like in Vancouver in December (long range travel considerations)? I know you'l probably laugh and say it doesn't get cold in Vancouver but remember I'm an antipodean and feel positively frozen if the weather falls below 15 degrees C.

Thanks for any illumination of the mysteries [Smile]

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Since snow does fall in Vancouver, one can expect the temperature to be below freezing occasionally. BUT since it also doth rain, the temp. will be above freezing on other occasions. This means that you can "enjoy" cold dampness for significant amounts of time, along with slush around your feet.

You might enjoy places that have actual snow.

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It's probably safe to assume that the temperature in Vancouver in December will usually be less than 15C. Please note "probably", "assume", "usually".

With the same caveats, it will probably get down to -5C at least from time to time.

It is certain that there will be a great deal of water falling from the sky, which will be grey and cloudy at least 25 of the 31 days of the month. There is no way of telling whether the said water will be snow, ice pellets, rain, or just a constant low-level fog. It can be all four on the same day, if you're lucky.

The weather will likely be drier and brighter, and somewhat colder, just across the river in North Vancouver.

Wonder why I vowed 50 years ago never to move to Vancouver? I was raised in Winnipeg, and even at its worst (I remember 99 consecutive days below zero F) it's a dry cold, as they say, which is so much easier to cope with. Here is Ottawa we get both wet cold and dry cold (on different days), and at -20C, it really does make a difference. Gives one faith in the old wives (why not husbands?) who tell tales.

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Thanks John & HB, tourism Vancouver wants to offer you hush money [Big Grin]

Looks like Canada might have to wait for summery months. Cheers.

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OK - time to come clean.

I'm moving to Vancouver Island in a few weeks' time (from the UK).

Looking forward to this immensely (although slightly overwhelmed at all that needs to be done before then).

At the moment, I am especially enjoying contradicting people who say to me "You're moving to Canada? You've going to have get used to all those severe winters, then, aren't you?"

Ummm..... Nope - not on Vancouver Island! According to my weather app, the temperature there is presently a terrifying +6C...

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quote:
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OK - time to come clean.

I'm moving to Vancouver Island in a few weeks' time (from the UK).

Splendid. Lovely place. The landscape round Victoria bears a startling resemblance to Perthshire, I often think. I'll be there again in April for a wedding, so I trust the climate stays temperate.
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quote:
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Wonder why I vowed 50 years ago never to move to Vancouver? I was raised in Winnipeg, and even at its worst (I remember 99 consecutive days below zero F) it's a dry cold, as they say, which is so much easier to cope with. Here is Ottawa we get both wet cold and dry cold (on different days), and at -20C, it really does make a difference. Gives one faith in the old wives (why not husbands?) who tell tales.


I've been thinking for a while that some meteorologist should invent a "raw factor", along the lines of the humidex, to account for the way that wet cold is downright miserable. A day like today -- a dry -22C with a bit of windchill to -32C (not much wind, really), and a clear sky -- is infinitely preferable to a damp, breezy -5C. That dampness gets into your bones no matter how you're dressed in a way dry cold never does if you're dressed properly.

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I had to jump-start a family member's car, twice, due to the cold. Luckily I have a portable jump-starter battery pack I keep in my trunk; such a handy device. I rescued a gentleman last week whose car wouldn't start at the gas station with it. Solved that problem really quickly, the owner of the station loved me for it.

Second, in a Canadian Moment, No Frills here in Really English Ontario now sells genuine St. Hubert's Chicken Pot Pies. I had one, it was delicious. But what a discovery!

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The promised blizzard is blizzarding merrily as I type, and doesn't look as if it's thinking about stopping any time soon.

Who says that -7° is too cold for snow? [Frown]

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We had that blizzard yesterday and it was -23. It is -22 right now but going up to -14 so I may wait an hour or two before going out to shovel. Supposed to be +10 on Monday with rain and wind. Not quite sure if I should pay to have my roof shovelled off right now or if Monday will take care of it. It's a crazy start to 2014!

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So the latest Snowmegeddon is only supposed to dump between 10 and 30 cm on various parts of Ontario.

The media does seem to like to talk about the weather.

Nice day today....going to get in a bit of walking.

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Gosh, Piglet must be one of the ones without power. Newfoundland is sure having a time! Clear here today and supposed to be nice and warm tomorrow, you know, before the flash freeze tomorrow night. Oh Canada, I believe in climate change but global warming is a stretch.

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Huge rainfall and +7 C yesterday - cleaned most of the snow off the roof and left the vehicles shiny

But now it is -7 C and clear, so lots of ice.

Nearly 3000 customers lost electricity yesterday as all the birch trees that had bent over under the previous snow/ice load snapped back upright when cleaned off!

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-25°C here this morning. That's cold for this area. Confounded car didn't start, even with its brand new battery - a pox on Canadian Tire and their batteries. Finally got a boost and drove into the almost deserted town. No future for a brass monkey in this place.

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Having grown up along the Grand, (well back up amidst the sandy hills of eastern Kitchener) I'm vaguely surprised that you find -25 cold.

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quote:
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Piglet must be one of the ones without power ...

I was indeed; we had none from 9 a.m. on Saturday until 1 a.m. on Sunday, and again for about 4 hours on Sunday evening, when the outside temperature was about -12°, which wasn't handy for people like us whose only heat source is electricity. It's amazing how much warmth you can make in a small room with 12 candles ... [Help]

The up-side of all this power-saving malarkey was that the university where I work was closed on Monday and Tuesday, giving a nice extension to the Christmas holidays. Back to the grind tomorrow.

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For no particularly good reason, I saw this and thought of our Canadian brethren.

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Poor moose.

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quote:
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For no particularly good reason, I saw this and thought of our Canadian brethren.

I remember once on The Muppet Show, the Swedish Chef made chocolate mousse by slathering chocolate on a (muppet) moose.

Moo

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no prophet's flag is set so...

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I guess it is past now, but what the heck is a "polar vortex"? It would a great name for an indy band. Or as someone suggested, a rodent, sort of like a marmot I think.

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quote:
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I remember once on The Muppet Show, the Swedish Chef made chocolate mousse by slathering chocolate on a (muppet) moose.

Thus!

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quote:
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I guess it is past now, but what the heck is a "polar vortex"?

Here is an explanation.

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Having grown up along the Grand, (well back up amidst the sandy hills of eastern Kitchener) I'm vaguely surprised that you find -25 cold.

But that's north of the 401 - different climate, different culture - another world from downstream of the Grand River Brewing Company in Galt.

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And now, on to the January Thaw! Shall spend a large part of the day shovelling out the downspouts and window wells before the rain and wind of tomorrow. Never a dull moment east of the 401.

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And tomorrow, we shall all merrily skate down the main drag of town!

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Ah, but not here. We are to have above 0 degrees temperatures until Thursday. A true January thaw!

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Us too, Lilypad - they're offering us +7° tomorrow with quite a lot of rain, and low single-digits for most of the rest of the week.

My Beloved has just brought me a Timmy's™ - what a saint! [Axe murder]

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No ice here, so no thaw. But I'd sell my firstborn for a Timmy's. Milk coffee is good here though.

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Pete, I think you'll find that selling children into slavery is no longer seen as an acceptable practice even in the Colonies.

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... and as far as I know, they're not interchangeable with Timcards™. [Big Grin]

Well all that rain certainly cleared some of the snow* - we've got a Visible Sidewalk again!

[Yipee]

* Not all of it - we've still got some humungous piles of snirt, but it's a start.

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Spending the nights enjoying the reassuring sound of the sump pump coming on every 10-15 minutes. Woke up this morning and became instantly alert and in a few minutes, ahhh, there it goes, the sump pump is working.

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Having grown up along the Grand, (well back up amidst the sandy hills of eastern Kitchener) I'm vaguely surprised that you find -25 cold.

But that's north of the 401 - different climate, different culture - another world from downstream of the Grand River Brewing Company in Galt.
WARNING - Long Post about the Particular Canadiana I Grew Up In


Sometimes people have questioned why I occasionally just want to get out and see the top of a hill, by myself, just to look at what is going on and observe.

I think the link to that desire to look over the next hill and see comes from where I grew up.

We were a different culture from the rest of Kitchener. Eastsiders, as I once was called by an fellow University student wondering what my background was - code for being insular, I was told.

Everybody I grew up with was 3rd generation residents. Big leafy maples and crab apples and birch trees and willows beside cracked sidewalks edged by non-electric edgers and two story homes with cedar bushes and milk boxes and wooden slat shutters that never closed and one car in the driveway that always was having to be cleaned from either grease or ants or grass in the cracks.

None of those flashy newcomers in Forest Heights who worked in insurance, although a daughter getting a job there would always be a good thing, and who lived in homes with newer trees, strived to have two cars, all wore white shirts and ties and used the word neighbourhood and house values to ward off pesky things like clotheslines and road hockey and industrial smells.

No, we didn't want to sanitize where we lived. Clotheslines were out everybody's back yard. Didn't mind the smells of Schneiders and the other couple of meat packing plants, the Weston bakery, chocolate from the Smiles and Chuckles plant and the occasional whiff of rye and beer all the way down from Seagrams and Labatt's. The smell of grease from the cars being worked on by the older boys or on the clothes of the men coming home from the factories at 3:30 wasn't a reminder of where we lived....it was just where we were. It was like the smell of jam in June or of the sugar in the air from the CEO fall fair in the week before school...it all just was.

We were a small town within a small city in what we considered the best part of the world. Industrial foreman and small business owners most of our fathers. Stay at home Mom's who worked during the day to help out but were home by 4 to take care of the kids. Not till later did I realise how insulated we were from the rest of the city by our location in the arm of the Expressway south of Bridgeport and the Grand at Freeport and the industrial areas of Courtland Ave. Road hockey, baseball in parks, Parks and Rec summer camps, snowball fights, tobogganing down any hill possible, skating at the arena, swimming trips to Cameron Heights, minor hockey or soccer.

But what I remember most of all was just the freedom to ride my bike anywhere, without fear. To take off to friends, to parks, to games...as long as I was home for lunch and supper and bed time. Yes, I was a guy, and it was easy. But, that freedom to ride up to the top of the hill near Chicopee and look back on the mile or two of bike path you'd just traversed to get there and wonder who that was back there...did you really pass that old man on your way in your haste to get somewhere....that freedom was my birthright in that small town. It was what I treasured most. The smell of the grass, the wind, the sunshine and the freedom to just be and look.

Not till even later did I realise how insulated we were from the realities of most people in this world. Not till even later then that did I realise some of those realities were happening in that small town too, hidden from view.

Like all our towns where we grew up, that place, that East Side, that is gone now. Sure, the maple trees are there, and the Expressway and the Aud and the parks and the schools and people and families ....but its gone...in the flash of how fast it can take you to drive from Fairview Park Mall up to Northfield Drive...and in the time it takes to type a tweet.

Kids don't bike like that, I don't go out like that, and people don't work like that and none of us live like that. And society is, thankfully, not like that anymore..so male oriented. And I don't long for those days. I was privileged, white, male, able bodied, housed, fed and loved without fear by caring parents. Many were not. And my freedoms were unusual.

Where others fled places like that, I didn't as much leave that place as it all changed with the recessions of the 80's and the hollowing out of the industrial base all those men worked in. Budd Auto, Lear Seigler, Schneiders, Grebs, Kaufmanns...all gone now. There wasn't a there to fit into once the 90's hit. The smells were gone. The parents got old. The daughters moved away and us little boys....we couldn't ride our bikes anymore everywhere we wanted and whenever we wanted because we had to go do something now.

People talk about you not being able to go home. We never thought of that. Home to us was always where we were, as a family. And it remains...home is where we are now.

And that when that I grew up in....that time when I had the freedom to just go out and look at the world. That when has shaped me.

And Its why I go out every once in awhile, up to the top of a hill, and look back at where I came from and wonder about the people I passed on the way up.

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We've had a couple of serious rainfalls (25-30 mm. each) and enough warm weather to get rid of most of the snow in open land.

And, troublingly, I've seen some of the buds on trees swelling.

No significant frost forecast until Sunday

And all of this after three weeks of snow and more snow!

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Same here, HB - the council finally got round to clearing some of the snow from our road the other night (after God had done a good bit of it for them), and we were observing how wide it looks without it.

The temperature hit 10°C this afternoon! Double figures in January! [Yipee]

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I note that prior to the PM's expedition to the Middle East, government representatives couldn't stop talking about Canada's important position in the area.

And I note that, after a brief trawl through some UK media sites, not a one has even noticed that the PM is visiting Israel (with brief side trips to Jordan and the territories), even his criticisms of most European countries for a politer form of anti-semitism because they don't ask "how high" when Benjamin Netanyahu says "Jump".

That's how important we've become -- our allies don't even notice when we criticize them.

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There is reference in today's NY Times. There was, for fans of this topic, an interesting dissonance between cabinet member Chris Alexander's comments on the settlements and Conservative comments on them. I fear that the PM's embrace of one Israeli faction has crippled our ability to do anything useful for Israel in the peace process. But that's me.

-31°C tonight, with wind chill. I present shipmates with a brilliant haiku on this situation:
Thirty one below
Condolence and warmth pour forth,
My furnace brings joy

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[Snore]

Any reply of mine, John, would require that this tangent to Purg.

Though the gymnastics the Official Opposition does on Israel are quite amazing to see.

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Marmite banned in Canada!!

You'd think those poor short-staffed scientists at the CFIA would spend more time ensuring that safe meat is available in Canada and that mad-cow disease doesn't decimate herds. But Nooooooo.....

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Most importantly, they are changing the colouring in Irn-Bru to comply with Canadian regulations. [Smile]

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quote:
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Marmite banned in Canada!! ...

I don't mind for myself (I think Marmite comes straight from Hell) but D. will not be pleased.

I can't remember the last time I drank Irn-Bru (I could take it or leave it), but I have it on good authority that it's an excellent hangover cure. [Big Grin]

eta: maybe it's the questionable additive that does the trick ... [Paranoid]

[ 26. January 2014, 02:24: Message edited by: piglet ]

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From reports I've read, this isn't about health -- they've admitted there's nothing dangerous about these products. It's just that, for example, Marmite includes ingredients that aren't on the approved list.

I wish I could blame this too on the current government, but it smacks too much of a middle-rank bureaucrat in a notorious agency trying to make his/her name.

John

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