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I should be functional again tby approx Wednesday.
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To be honest, I'm finding it hard to find time/energy to do anything outside of work that takes a lot of imagination or initiative right now, and that's going to last through Christmas. I can look in and do what Dorainen needs to do to move things along but I'm not going to be able to do much more than that.
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The other option is to do the rest of the story as an epilogue.
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As far as I can see, Frithwynne is waiting for Gunriana or Dorainen to do something -- Gunriana to return with word that arrangements are set, or Dorainen to lead the guarded group to the petitioning place. Or Ariston or Mary to do something unexpected.
Without everyone involved, I don't see much story that can be constructed. I don't know if that means we should cut straight to epilog, or if we proceed very slowly until the new year (which would rely on Doublethink being able to stand having this carry on that long, which I'm not assuming, and would also rely on people being more available in the new year, which I'm also not assuming).
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Frankly, I'm a bit burned out—not just on the game, granted, but I think that's been taken with the rest. Narrating the epilogue would be just fine with me; I think I've developed a nice character arc and can run with it to the end.
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I'm busy at the moment (I have a half-written post for G. leaving the Poratis villa that I need to finish), but I'd like to play out the conclusion. Mostly because I like the slightly darker, serpent-tainted version of Gunriana who's going into the end game.
If that means taking a Christmas break and picking up the thread in New Year, I'd be happy with that, otherwise I'll try to find time to play it out now.
Gunriana is almost certainly not going to head back to Ironfoot's given the dangers on the street, but will go to the petition hall directly.
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OK, I should be able to get a post in over the next 24 hours or so. It seems we're ready to leave Ironfoot's with D. and J. as fake guards and Mary and F. as prisoners, or are there some dwarves too? Should I just narrate us showing up at the guildhall, or should I roll to see what happens of the way?
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Eliab, if you make Frithwynne kill the dark serpent-tainted Gunriana, I'm going to kick you in the shins. In all Christian love, of course. Although, wow, would that be an ending. Here we are thinking we're on some redemptive and ultimately cheerful quest to win riches and renown and instead we discover that we're in fantasy noir.
Ariston, I'm sorry to hear you're burned out. I hope that you can start to find some ideas for relieving burnout to start you on the recovery path.
Adam., I think it can never hurt to have an extra posse of dwarves around.
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Decide here who will go with the party and perhaps have the dwarves and the guildsmen make up separate parties also heading that way. The guildmasters have a right to be in the audience even if they have to deal with the gatekeeper to actually present a petition.
Why don't each (Frithwyne, Jetse, Dorainen) roll at easy difficulty for how well the guise of prisoner or guard works. Jetse can decide whether to be prisoner or guard.
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Maybe just bring one dwarf with us for local knowledge purposes and have the rest go separately so as the party doesn't get too big.
I rolled an 18.
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Doublethink.
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Sorry still out for the count, laid low with filthy cold, whilst also dealing with various work crises.
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Hope you get over the cold soon, and the work crises come to good resolutions.
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Hope you are feeling better soon Doublethink.
For the narration, the party gets challenged on the way by a real guard on the grounds that a small obviously foreign woman like Frithwynne couldn't possibly have stolen the Duke's bull; he's suspicious. He accepts that Dorainen is a guard (he can't tell elves apart) but insists on joining the group. Weave as you will. What he feels about Jetse depends on Jetse's roll. Weave the narration (hammer out here first possibly).
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Roll: 4.
I think Jetse would have an easier time of it playing guard than prisoner.
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Ok the suspicious guard will also be suspicious of Jetse (he can tell men apart) and will wonder whether Jetse and Frithwyne have pulled a fast one on what he considers a real guard even if an elf, Dorainen. Mary will also fall under suspicion but she is saying nothing but keeps her bag well hidden. How do you wish to narrate to the guildhall door? Perhaps each should lay out a what their character does here from deciding who is going, leaving the dwarf house, meeting the suspicious guard, and arriving at the guildhall and then Doublethink or I will weave together to put on the main thread.
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I don't really have anything to say for Frithwynne's actions. She follows Dorainen through the streets. She tries to look inconspicuous when the suspicious guard shows up. She let's Dorainen and Jetse do the talking. She follows Dorainen and the suspicious guard to the gathering place.
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In case anyone is around the GMs are taking a break over the Christmas/Boxing day holidays.
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Okey dokey - how are folks fixed for next week ?
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I'm ok.
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OK, I'm around. As I understand it, D., F., M. and J. are going to make it to the guildhall, but along the way we'll pick up one of the Duke's guards. This guard believes that D. is genuine (as he can't tell elves apart; a nice touch from the GMs with how we've developed elf-human relations), but thinks he's being duped by the prisoners and his fellow 'guard,' so accompanies us. AR and NS have given guidance for how their characters will act. I'm guessing Jetse will play it strong and silent unless otherwise told.
I can narrate us getting to the guild house door if people are OK with that. I'll leave this up here for a little while for people to register objections or nuances. I think if we're going to move forward on this story, we've gotten to the point where we probably need to just take turns narrating, after whatever backstage discussion is desired rather than trying to coordinate everything in the way that worked in the summer when people were fresher at this.
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I'm cool with that.
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OK, we're at the guildhall. I think there's some room for people to fill in their POV on some of the happenings if desired. Now, we need to deal with Sgt. Briggs and reconnect with Gunriana (and the Duke? Who would surely deal with Briggs for us?)
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Sit rep:
You are all out of disguise, in a side room at the guildhall. You have this opportunity to do anything else you need before going in to the main chamber to confront Yaris. As far as you know, she is not yet aware you are here. Her power is diminished but unlikely to be entirely spent. You can only mention the Kavetseki if you are holding the ship.
There has been rioting in the city, people know something has happen - and it is connected with the ox sacrifice (which Yaris will definitely have heard about) - and they can feel they breaking power. It is calmer now, but there are crowds on the streets and the guildhall is at the eye of the storm - folk know Yaris would normally be there, that things are afoot, they are expecting a reckoning.
Her remaining supporters expect her to show the skill and power she has always had, but they are a touch uncertain, if her position was as secure as ever - how could she have been robbed ! And why is she obsessed about some flask and a golden ship ?
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So, six days after an attempt to resurrect this, the attempt has basically generated 1 story post. Is this a sign that we should just epilogue this thing? Our characters go in, we confront Yaris, she spills the beans, we reap the rewards of said beans (which, in keeping with the mood that has emerged, aren't entirely fluffy happiness-making rewards)?
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I would be happy to epilogue if that is what players wish to do.
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I can't say I have any enthusiasm for the plot requirements standing in our way before we can confront Yaris.
I mean, I guess, that's what an RPG is all about, obstacles that we work to solve. But I want to hear what Yaris has to say, and the plot requirements at this point seem like afterthoughts compared to: We have the ship so we can speak. We have a lot of information. Let's get there and just blurt out what we want to ask!
I don't have a preference for whether that's done through epilog, or by all of us moving on to the confrontation right away in narration. I think other players could narrate very interesting things in confronting Yaris, so I'd be happy to hear what they write if they're up for it. But I don't want to (even if I could, which I can't) force anyone to do anything.
However, I don't know if I have anything interesting left that I can narrate for Frithwynne or not; it depends on the situation that arises. Much earlier on in the game I could think of something to narrate no matter what happened, but I don't seem to have those creative juices flowing this month. For example, I have absolutely no creative ideas for what to do about the suspicious guard, except ignore him, trot out in front of Yaris and start asking her inconvenient questions.
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We may also be below critical mass for progress to be made in the narration. With a lot of people, people can have a long gap between when they post, and the average amount of posting will still add up to progress in the narration. With only a few people left, even if we were all posting at exactly the same rate as before, the overall average amount of posting will be way down and narration will stall.
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You are now in the position of being able to just go in and confront Yaris. However, if no-one has narrated that by the weekend I will write a closing scene.
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OK, thanks.
Frithwynne (reflecting her creator) is apt to go in and just do that bluntly. My narrative expectation that we will eventually get relief and some answers is probably completely wrong, and I can imagine that Frithwynne's/my blunt approach will result in DT saying "well, that was a failure, Yaris smirks, crooks a finger, and her guards shoot you all full of arrows". But I have no creativity to anticipate or think of something more proper for whatever it is we're supposed to be doing for success in the RPG at this point.
Eliab, Dorainen, Ariston, if you think we need some well-thought-out nuanced approach that will produce better results than getting shot full of arrows, please post!
I'll wait until later in the week before barging in, in the hopes that some of you cleverer and more experienced RPG players will have a better approach. But I would like to try to do something in narrative, so given the opening DT has given us, I'd prefer not to just leave things slide into epilog, at least not this week.
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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:
... will result in DT saying "well, that was a failure, Yaris smirks, crooks a finger, and her guards shoot you all full of arrows". ...
So, I really don't think we need to worry about that. Not that we want to give up all responsibility for our characters' safety, but ultimately the GM wants to help us tell a good story, and what you've just described really isn't one.
Here's my proposal, which I won't act on till tomorrow in case anyone wants to object. Our characters are waiting, and there is a collective feeling that the time for detailed planning is over. They're as eager as we are for answers. So, we barge in. Dorainen presents the party, summarizes the various ways we have demonstrated power over her already, hints that they may be more about to be unleashed, and demands answers. Other players have the opportunity to write their own confrontation speeches over this week if they want. At the weekend, DT wraps everything up as she sees fit.
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Sounds good to me!
(ETA: And I see that I have gotten completely confused and am thinking of your real name as Dorainen! "Eliab, Dorainen, Ariston").
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Yup, sounds good ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
(I do here solemnly promise no one will get shot full of arrows.)
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Frithwynne blurted out her accusation. Yaris smirked, crooked a finger, and Frithwynne found herself shot half-full of arrows.
Looking forward to finding out what happens...
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I've written my last words as Dorainen. I've tried to leave it reasonably open for others to add speeches of their own before Yaris's reveal. I look forward to reading the conclusion!
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Thanks Adam
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Work, health issues and general busyness have got in the way of imaginative endeavours in the last few weeks, but I'm around now.
I'm planning to narrate Gunriana's take on the confrontation, and see what response we get.
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Gunriana is ***bluffing***.
At least, she hopes she's bluffing. The idea is to crush Yaris's confidence and make her believe that the serpent-god that Yaris (presumably) follows is on our side, so that she'll talk and not fight.
Gunriana's also setting up to use the serpent-tongue thing if she needs to, but so far she has employed only her natural arts to support her bluff, because she doesn't need any more darkness in her soul than she already has.
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AR where did the suspicious guard come from ?
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It was the suspicious guard who was following us before, who was suspicious when he met us as supposed prisoners of Dorainen the supposed elf-guard. He's not going to manage to get the elf-leader to pay any attention to him.
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Bortacles sent him away when he took you all into a sideroom ?
Nevermind, I am just clarifying with Ariston about his final post and then we will be ready to do the final epilogue scene.
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In my view, he left off bothering the group but didn't leave the larger environs of the great hall. Maybe I misread the exact instructions Bortacles gave him. I was just trying to pick up a thread and add some narrative embroidery.
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No probs
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Will take a couple o days to epilogue - I will give you heads up when its posted.
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Yaris smiled at the success of her reach into the meta and the laying of a spell of acedia on all who had wrecked her life. Who were they to play gods with a scion of the house of the Naga. Now who here could she win to her cause? Someone roasting in Hell who would join her in a venomous revenge against a hell host whose avatar had been one of her chief foes? Or a sophist in Purgatory to wind her hostly foe there in coils of rhetoric? Let them roll the dice now.
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Sorry, siginificant case of shitty work life.
Will try and pm you tonight.
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Sorry, siginificant case of shitty work life.
Will try and pm you tonight.
Apologies since you took this as a jab at you; I haven't exactly helped and you have the bigger job. I think all of us got hit with the spell :-) so I decided to play with what Yaris might do.
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I've been torn for a while between the common courtesy that says its bad manners to nag a volunteer, and the curiosity of wanting to see how the story ends.
Please take this bumping of the thread as a comment on how much I enjoyed the story and want to see the conclusion, whenever that happens to be convenient, rather than impatience or ingratitude for the time that the GMs have already put into the game.
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