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dj_ordinaire
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Shortly after arriving on the Ship many moons ago, I found myself encountering a mysterious word - the word 'Tat'.
I quickly fathomed that 'Tat' is a catch-all term for the things which are used in worship - whether worn, or used to fill things, carry things, make strange noises, or, occasionally, to set things on fire.
Tat can range from the robes of priests - the fiddleback, the almuce, the Geneva gown. or the clothes of the lay-folk such as the lovely mantilla (here combined with something else which evades me...)
It covers chalices, thuribles, altar hangings and many other things, functional and decorative, which play their part in assisting the worship of God - and thus fulfilling the injunction of the psalmist 'Let all things praise the Lord'.
This thread - which I have Christened 'The Tatler' on the advice of an illustrious fellow Host - is humbly proffered as a place for discussion of Tat-sightings, posting of photoes, and queries about Tat of an outlandish, cryptic or indescribable nature. I also sincerely hope that it will be a place for discussing not only what we do with Tat, but also Why we do it.
I'm sure it will also house many other germane things which I haven't mentioned here as well. One thing about Eccles is that I never ceased to be surprised. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) ![[Paranoid]](graemlins/paranoid.gif)
On which note... over to you!
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Helen-Eva
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I've not encountered the word "tat" before in this context. Does the bit about making strange noises include musical instruments or just tinkly little bells for eucharistic moments?
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The Scrumpmeister
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Originally posted by Helen-Eva:
I've not encountered the word "tat" before in this context. Does the bit about making strange noises include musical instruments or just tinkly little bells for eucharistic moments?
I don't think you could call musical instruments tat. Little bells on the chains of censers or on the bishop's sakkos are good examples of noise-making tat.
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I thought we were going to be discussing this fine periodical, but this is much more worthwhile.
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Originally posted by dj_ordinaire:
the lovely mantilla (here combined with something else which evades me...)
Perhaps she's a Churchwarden, or a Virger.
From what I remember from my 'A' level studies of Spanish Holy Week customs, various brotherhoods (and I assume sisterhoods) make processions and decorated staves like the one pictured do figure prominently. Presumably symbolic of the group in procession?
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dj_ordinaire
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Originally posted by Cyprian:
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Originally posted by Helen-Eva:
I've not encountered the word "tat" before in this context. Does the bit about making strange noises include musical instruments or just tinkly little bells for eucharistic moments?
I don't think you could call musical instruments tat. Little bells on the chains of censers or on the bishop's sakkos are good examples of noise-making tat.
The little bells are called tintinnabula, apparently, and I would have included them to indicate our inclusivity of the Eastern Rites, but no piccies no hand ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Am I right in thinking that there are often twelve to symbolise the Apostles spreading forth the Good News? Surely Cyprian told us that...
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Originally posted by Saint Chad:
I thought we were going to be discussing this fine periodical, but this is much more worthwhile.
I think not! Full of pictures of terrible people who employ men with sticks to stop ramblers trekking across their rolling acres. This is, as you say, much better.
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The Scrumpmeister
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Originally posted by dj_ordinaire:
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Originally posted by Cyprian:
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Originally posted by Helen-Eva:
I've not encountered the word "tat" before in this context. Does the bit about making strange noises include musical instruments or just tinkly little bells for eucharistic moments?
I don't think you could call musical instruments tat. Little bells on the chains of censers or on the bishop's sakkos are good examples of noise-making tat.
The little bells are called tintinnabula, apparently, and I would have included them to indicate our inclusivity of the Eastern Rites, but no piccies no hand
Am I right in thinking that there are often twelve to symbolise the Apostles spreading forth the Good News? Surely Cyprian told us that...
Worry not, kind host. No exclusiveness was inferred. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
I think that Greek censers often have twelve. Followers of the Greek tradition love the little bells and they use them all the time. Russian churches tend to have one without bells for fasting seasons and one with bells for more festive seasons. Even then, in my experience, there are fewer bells than twelve. The one used at our cathedral for the patronal festival last week only had two. At my parish, we have one with bells which we inherited from somewhere - possibly the closed Bradford parish. We never use it because we find the bells distracting, especially when you bear in mind that the church is censed in preparation for the Gospel - during the Epistle. I think it stems from our previous situation, where were in a tiny basement chapel. Perhaps now in our new church it may be more bearable. I'll perhaps suggest we use it one time and see what happens.
There's a photo of one here and you can hear one in this video of the Lesser Entrance.
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For the more non-conformist amongst us, there are other forms of tat.
Amish dress is, like the mantilla, another example of religous dress amongs the laity. Some non-demonational / pentecostal groups go in for garments like this preaching jacket.
Of course, other religions have their own variations too. I have no idea what the container of the sacred flame is normally called, or normally looks like ...
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Good thread. The 'why' is the important question and a place that a lot of us get confused.
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Bell for the epiclissis. I get that.
Bell for each elevation. I think I get that. A kind of audible genuflection??
Bell when the celebrant takes communion?? I am not sure I get that.
Anyone care to elucidate?
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In our liturgies, it notifies the congregation that it is time to receive Communion. I think the bells are a carry over from the mumbled/silent mass when the pew-sitters very likely had no clue what was going on.
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3rdFooter
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So a slightly musical 'Draw near with faith...'
Makes sense but also makes nothing really to do with the celebrant. In some ways it should be before s/he takes communion as one of the people.
There are plenty of churches today where it is hard to impossible for most of the congo to see what is going on. Goes double if the celebrant is on the west side of the alter (FX:sound of north-end supporters cheering).
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Its a good idea to have a tat thread, thanks for it. I like to ask questions about why in areas of tat and what things mean. I wonder though whether its best as random questions, sightings or discussion on tat.
What I mean is if we have a thread say on Baptism and how its done in different places does it mean that if someone starts talking about what clergy wear at baptisms it goes off topic. I say that cos I thought vesture at ordination was part of talking about ordination. I thought of ordination as a celebration and was asking why sombre robes were used. But then it was suggested it was off topic and should be here.
I can honestly see both points of view, and I'd be helped by knowing whether anything that is tat has to be discussed here and not anywhere else.
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Traditionally speaking, the celebrant's communion completes the offering of the Eucharistic sacrifice. Remembering that originally a great part of the liturgy would have been unintelligible to most of the congregation who would probably not have been paying much attention anyway, the bells act as reminders that significant events of the liturgy are taking place: Oi, you lot! Look! So epiclesis, elevations, celebrant's communion are accompanied by bells as being the significant events of the eucharistic sacrifice.
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Eddy
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Originally posted by 3rdFooter:
Good thread. The 'why' is the important question and a place that a lot of us get confused.
So...
Bell for the epiclissis. I get that.
Bell for each elevation. I think I get that. A kind of audible genuflection??
Bell when the celebrant takes communion?? I am not sure I get that.
Anyone care to elucidate?
On the Mass of western rite thread it was pointed out that the bell when celebratant takes communion no longer is rung. So it must be a left over from times past, 3rd Footer. Mind you that doesnt explain why it was done then does it!
(PS Again simply for clarification on this thread - I'd not considered discussion of when bells where rung as 'tat' discussion either, I think I must have got my tat definition wrong??)
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dj_ordinaire
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Laetare:
The idea would be to have this as a catch-all for specific 'tat' issues that probably don't merit a thread of their own, similar to the 'Random liturgical questions' thread.
Obviously, tangents that grow out of existing threads will still be fine so long as they don't start to swamp the thread or prevent other aspects of debate there.
I hope this helps.
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djo - thats very helpful, and I think its a good idea in that line. Like the random questions one.
Its just I was put off on the ordination thread when talk of vestments colour on ordinations was seen as a tangent and should be discussed here.
Your explainationj helps me see what its about and I think its good, and I'm sure it'll be a very big thread soon ![[Biased]](wink.gif)
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Sorry, but I don't like this thread for many of the same reasons I gave regarding "Random...", and this thread doesn't even have a "little discussion" limitation, not that such limitation has been observed in Son of Random, as well-illustrated by the current postings there regarding Requiem Masses.
If people want to use it, fine. That's their decision, but if I have any questions or comments regarding tat or matters liturgical, I'll just go ahead and start a thread.
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3rdFooter
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Do bells not count as 'tat'? I thought so under the heading 'other things, functional and decorative'. Not much point having a bell if you don't ring it and you ought to understand why you ring it when you do.
Still think its a good thread.
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Discussions of tat on this thread, including bells, are encouraged - discussions on thread policy, hosting etc not so much. Those belong in Styx.
Thanks,
Doublethink
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Originally posted by CorgiGreta:
Sorry, but I don't like this thread for many of the same reasons I gave regarding "Random...", and this thread doesn't even have a "little discussion" limitation, not that such limitation has been observed in Son of Random, as well-illustrated by the current postings there regarding Requiem Masses.
If people want to use it, fine. That's their decision, but if I have any questions or comments regarding tat or matters liturgical, I'll just go ahead and start a thread.
Greta
I tend to agree Greta, but time will tell on it.
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Is it too much to expect people to know where the Styx is?
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Originally posted by 3rdFooter:
Bell when the celebrant takes communion?? I am not sure I get that.
Anyone care to elucidate?
A kind of 'dinner is served' thing, in place of banging the dinner gong?
Ref: a post further up, isn't the bell arrangement a crotalus, rather than a tintinabula?
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dj_ordinaire
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Originally posted by Anselmina:
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Originally posted by 3rdFooter:
Bell when the celebrant takes communion?? I am not sure I get that.
Anyone care to elucidate?
A kind of 'dinner is served' thing, in place of banging the dinner gong?
Ref: a post further up, isn't the bell arrangement a crotalus, rather than a tintinabula?
Nooooo! A crotalus is a wooden clapper-board occasionally used in certain rites at times when bells are considered to 'festive'.
As to the bell when Communion is taken by the Celebrant - my understanding is that this follows from the time when people did not normally receive - hence, the moment when the priest received was the time when they made their 'spiritual' communion. This is also why it is no longer in common use, although personally I find this unhelpful as I don't always receive but still want to participate in the celebrant doing so!
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How do you not know when the celebrant is receiving? Even at an eastward-facing mass it's fairly obvious, surely?
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Originally posted by Cyprian:
I think that Greek censers often have twelve. Followers of the Greek tradition love the little bells and they use them all the time. Russian churches tend to have one without bells for fasting seasons and one with bells for more festive seasons. Even then, in my experience, there are fewer bells than twelve. The one used at our cathedral for the patronal festival last week only had two. At my parish, we have one with bells which we inherited from somewhere - possibly the closed Bradford parish. We never use it because we find the bells distracting, especially when you bear in mind that the church is censed in preparation for the Gospel - during the Epistle. I think it stems from our previous situation, where were in a tiny basement chapel. Perhaps now in our new church it may be more bearable. I'll perhaps suggest we use it one time and see what happens.
There's a photo of one here and you can hear one in this video of the Lesser Entrance. [/QB]
Those triple candelsticks that the Bishop is holding are cool! What are they called?
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How do you not know when the celebrant is receiving? Even at an eastward-facing mass it's fairly obvious, surely?
Surely you are not suggesting opening one's eyes, Father! ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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They are cool. I am left wondering how they get the wax out of the vestments and carpet afterwards.
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Originally posted by dj_ordinaire:
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Originally posted by Angloid:
How do you not know when the celebrant is receiving? Even at an eastward-facing mass it's fairly obvious, surely?
Surely you are not suggesting opening one's eyes, Father!
Well yes, but even if you keep them shut you can hear when the priest says 'This is the Lamb of God...' or 'Draw near with faith..' or whatever, after which s/he should receive communion.
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Those triple candelsticks that the Bishop is holding are cool! What are they called?
There's a triple and a double - the trikiri(on) (representing the Holy Trinity) and dikiri(on) (representing the two natures of Christ).
Here is a close-up.
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The Scrumpmeister
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If you think those were cool, what do you make of these ones?
Yes, they're the trikiri and dikiri, which are used by the bishop to bless the people, and which are usually minded by the subdeacons as part of their role. They're only ever used at hierarchical services.
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Originally posted by Anselmina:
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Originally posted by 3rdFooter:
Bell when the celebrant takes communion?? I am not sure I get that.
Anyone care to elucidate?
A kind of 'dinner is served' thing, in place of banging the dinner gong?
In celebrations in Asia which I have attended, the bells are rung by the servers to indicate the beginning of Mass (I have seen this also in Canada), and also at the communion of the priest - one shake each.
I find this useful as an indication to get myself in position to receive. The language is not helpful and although I watch for gestures, my attention does wander, sometimes.
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I believe church bells were orignally said to drive away evil spirits. I wonder if there is any similar meaning to bells used during the service.
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Originally posted by 3rdFooter:
They are cool. I am left wondering how they get the wax out of the vestments and carpet afterwards.
Me, too. I know how our altar guild ladies cry when oil, wax, or wine gets on things they are charged with keeping nice.
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I was given to understand you get wax out of things by putting brown paper on them - then ironing the paper. The wax melts into the paper et voila ...
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Originally posted by 3rdFooter:
They are cool. I am left wondering how they get the wax out of the vestments and carpet afterwards.
You don't use beeswax candles at your church, do you? You should. Your altar guild would thank you for the suggestion.
Because of the high melting point of beeswax, generally only as much wax melts as is needed to feed the flame. There is hardly any excess melting so there is hardly any dripping. Also, because beeswax is quite soft and malleable, any drips left to solidify just peel off rather than turning hard and having to be scraped/ironed off surfaces.
It is the more paraffin-based candles that cause problems, but these are seldom seen in Orthodox churches. In fact, I'd be very surprised if you could find trikiri & dikiri candles available in paraffin wax.
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Originally posted by Doublethink:
I believe church bells were orignally said to drive away evil spirits. I wonder if there is any similar meaning to bells used during the service.
That's an interesting line of thinking. I believe the bells during the service were intended to let the faithful know what was going on, so that they could make their acts of devotion accordingly. In the earlier days, the priest would have been blocking the view of most of the action, and his praying would have been inaudible to the common pewfolk.
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Bells were used at various times - in local use - in the roman rite of the rc church.
3 times at sanctus,3 times at each elevation - usually 3 times at 'domine,non sum dignus plus other single times.
The single ringing of the bell after the celebrant's communion,indicated formally that it was now time for the faithful to come forward to receive Communion,BUT it also indicated formally that ,with the priest's communion, the obligatory part of the Mass (from the Offertory to the priest's communion) was now over and those who wished to go(to carry on with their 'missio' to the wider world could now in good conscience with the knowledge of having assisted at the HolySacrifice) could now leave the church.
rc churches here still often ring a bell after the priest's communion,but it is really out of longstanding habit.
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Mother Julian says, the following, on the subject of liturgical balloons:
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I'm pleased to see that the Society of Mary is embracing innovation. The latest copy of the magazine "Ave" contains a report of a May devotion in Oxford this year:
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A procession followed ... with helium filled balloons .... All the balloons were blue, except, of course, for that of the Bishop of Ebbsfleet, which was violet
I think it's the "of course" that makes this passage. Pictures and text available in this PDF pp 31 & 33
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What a fun topic! (What makes it a 'tatler' and not a main topic, I'm sure there's lots of fun and contribution could be made on this!
What happened at the end of this procession were the ballons let off.
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No. The Protestant Truth Society came around with pins and popped them all.
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Is their realy such a Society, Leo or did you make it up, lol. I know there are objectors to Our Lady at the Walsingham shrine day.
I cant read that magazine online from the Society of mary because it jams on downloading and caused a prob on my PC. Thats a shame. I was wondering what of Our Lady's feasts they used the balloons for. On the Assumption could be super with the balloonns let up into the air at the end of the procession.
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leo did not make it up........
http://www.protestant-truth.org/
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What makes it a 'tatler' and not a main topic, I'm sure there's lots of fun and contribution could be made on this!
It was moved to this thread because the OP of the Balloons thread did not present an issue or question for discussion. It's pretty much standard practice on *all* of the Ship's boards to close threads that start out with only a "look at this!" type of OP. Because Liturgical Balloons seemed to fit into dj_ordinaire's opening definition of tat --
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the things which are used in worship … functional and decorative, which play their part in assisting the worship of God
it was appropriate to transfer the information to this thread. If you're still unclear as to the purpose of this thread, feel free to take the question to the Styx rather than belabor it here.
Mamacita, Ecclesiantics Host
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Pigwidgeon
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In honor of Miss Amanda's strong feelings about acolyte footwear, as expressed on several former threads, I have posted this cartoon.
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Thurible
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Originally posted by Laetare:
I cant read that magazine online from the Society of mary because it jams on downloading and caused a prob on my PC. Thats a shame. I was wondering what of Our Lady's feasts they used the balloons for. On the Assumption could be super with the balloonns let up into the air at the end of the procession.
It was the Oxford May Devotion, held at S. Barnabas', Jericho before processing to Pusey House for Benediction. I had to leave during the procession so I'm not sure what happened to the balloons. Some photos may be seen here.
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Eddy
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Maybe the balloons were let off and had tags on them with special prizes for the finders - maybe a free signed photo of the Bishop of Ebbsfleet!! Or maybe other appropriate goodies!
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Thurible
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Well, mine is framed and in my prayer corner. (Not that it's signed, thinking about it.)
I suggest you could give it to your parish church to remind them whose Mass they're saying.
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Thurible
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To be clear, I assume they know whose Mass they're saying but it'd be nice for them to be reminded what he looks like.
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leo
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Well, he seems to be there more oftan than some other places.
As to whose mass - I am never sure of the relation of ABC parishes to the diocesan bishop and whether I am being schismatic or disloyal when I go there - but that is a tangent.
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Thurible
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Originally posted by leo:
As to whose mass - I am never sure of the relation of ABC parishes to the diocesan bishop and whether I am being schismatic or disloyal when I go there - but that is a tangent.
Nope, you're being neither so don't worry. When you cross into Bath and go to Marse, you're not being disloyal - neither are you when you go into Ebbsfleet.
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