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Schroedinger's cat
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A story this morning - with nothing to recommend it.
Why does ANYONE think that taking a 9YO to a shooting range is reasonable?
Why does ANYONE consider that letting a 9YO have a loaded Uzi - with live bullets - can be justified in any circumstances?
I am struggling to know who is the STUPIDEST here - her parents for letting her be there, the instructor for letting her loose with such a weapon, or the whole gun culture in the US that considers this to be an unfortunate accident, rather than a natural result of letting 9YOs have killing machines.
Seriously, can anyone provide any justification for this having been allowed to happen? Get a fucking grip.
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The whole gun culture in the US is the stupidest.
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But I've been told that I would be happier if I abandoned logic, and just went with something called "emotional intelligence".
So my feeeeeelings led me here... ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Oh that poor girl. Imagine having to live with that for the rest of your life.
Parents who do this sort of thing should be....well I don't know what wouldn't make this situation worse for her, but really it is mind-bogglingly stupid of them.
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And the same parents who think it appropriate for a nine year old to use a gun of any kind have probably been staring at screens with images of children holding severed heads and tutting about "uncivilised" people in the middle east.
To allow this wasn't just stupid, it was wicked.
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Having recovered from the initial shock, I am inclined to see this as natural selection in action.
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"Burgers and Bullets" Company Motto; if one don't kill ya the other will.
Too Sad for jokes really. Lord have Mercy.
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Originally posted by JoannaP:
Having recovered from the initial shock, I am inclined to see this as natural selection in action.
If it didn't involve mental trauma inflicted on a kid, I might agree.
Now that I am out of Purg-- Sarchmardo is a complete idiot, and the fact that he is still insisting it is appropriate to use an Uzi as a starter weapon for anyone makes me wonder what planet his brain is on when his mouth is talking.
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There are no appropriate jokes here. A nine year old will have to go the rest of her life with this. The dead man's family will live with this the rest of theirs.
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A pistol of any calibre is not a suitable training weapon for anyone.
9mm is too much for most 9 year old children.
Reliance on one's reactions in response to actions already occurring as a safety measure is stupid.
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
Sarchmardo is a complete idiot, and the fact that he is still insisting it is appropriate to use an Uzi as a starter weapon for anyone makes me wonder what planet his brain is on when his mouth is talking.
Fuck whether it's an Uzi or anything else. I find the whole concept of a "starter weapon" of any description utterly disgusting.
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I tend to agree, but there is an extra creamy icing of stupidity in his attitude.
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You do get that a lot if Americans hate gun culture, right? You do get that, living in a gun culture, I am going to encounter people who don't hate guns, and my squealing, "Ickypoo!" Is going to have zero effect on them? If I say," handing a minor a gun is deplorable" five people will simply counter ," not teaching kids proper gun use is criminal," and have loads if arguments in their defense. So I better be aware of how gun culture operates and thinks before I flounder around trying to persuade people.
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My brain won't process this. Did you see that the target the little girl was shooting at represented a human upper torso?I tried to recall being a 9 year old, but it seems that's my personal Dark Age - there's nothing there. I do remember around that time playing cowboys and Indians on the street with cap guns: they went bang and the other kid fell on the ground. Then he got up and shot you back and we all carried on. We understood play and we knew it was a parody of reality, but what did any of us know about reality? The Big Boys with rich parents had air guns and we were told not to play with them. Machine guns belonged in the comics and in a war that was over years ago - we didn't read newspapers and only a few people had TV, so we weren't much exposed to reality beyond our street and school. We did know that the idea of handling a real gun was a fantasy, as killing people only happened in wars. I think part of me is still nine years old.
We can weep and wail all we like, but it will happen again. I don't think there's much hope for a country that will allow the sacrifice of people like these - both the instructor and the child - to protect the idiotic, useless, self destructive, Second Amendment.
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I remember fairly realistic looking plastic machine guns being used by playmates when I was a kid. ( in the seventies.) that's part of the problem. Toy manufacturers lure people in with "realism" ignoring the fact that an essential element of fantasy play is distance. Legos used to be just bricks, now there are hundreds of custom sets.
This godawful burger gun place is an extension of that-- you can daydream, but hell, slap down a little more money and you can have the real thing! The fantasy aspect is maintained mentally while the real thing is suddenly in your hands. It encourages the user to cast that glow of fantasy over the real object-- it makes it less real.
Watch people sniff when I suggest that the toy guns, video games, etc are the actual starter weapons.
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Originally posted by Spike:
Fuck whether it's an Uzi or anything else. I find the whole concept of a "starter weapon" of any description utterly disgusting.
Why? Because people should never start learning to use guns? Or because they should only start when they can handle a full-size gun? Or something else?
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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:
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Originally posted by Spike:
Fuck whether it's an Uzi or anything else. I find the whole concept of a "starter weapon" of any description utterly disgusting.
Why? Because people should never start learning to use guns? Or because they should only start when they can handle a full-size gun? Or something else?
People should never start learning to use guns.
They should be illegal outside the military in my view.
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I can stretch to an acceptance of guns, and so that people should be allowed to use them and learn to use them.
But not at 9 years old. A minimum of 16, when they should have developed at least the physical strength to handle something.
Then it should be something easy, something straightforward. Only once people have demonstrated the ability to cope with a gun, to handle the recoil, to understand what it does. then they might move on to more ferocious weapons.
Of course, if they were sensible, they would realise what guns can do, and know that they should never get anywhere close to them. Ha.
And, as others have said, I feel mostly for this young girl who will probably be traumatised for life because of this incident. In one sense, that is right, because some mad fucker gave her a fucking powerful gun and she used it to shoot with. But that is not her fault. She will suffer for other people stupidity.
If the drafters of the second amendment could see what they produced, I suspect they would alter it to say "Stupid fuckers should not be allowed guns. If you want a gun for your 9YO, you are a stupid fucker".
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Having briefly heard this story I formed a mental picture of this incident which was darkly amusing to someone afflicted with a black sense of humour.
-- For they that live by the sword shall die by the sword--.
Seriously, I do really really pity America with it's gun problems. Sadly my pity , like Kelly squealing "Icky-Poo", will have nil effect on the US gun culture, nor on this gun tragedy , or tomorrow's , or the next day's.....
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Originally posted by Kelly Alves:
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Originally posted by JoannaP:
Having recovered from the initial shock, I am inclined to see this as natural selection in action.
If it didn't involve mental trauma inflicted on a kid, I might agree.
Originally posted by lilBuddha:
There are no appropriate jokes here. A nine year old will have to go the rest of her life with this. The dead man's family will live with this the rest of theirs.
Since when was mealy mouthed psychobabble unrestful? If we're not allowed to laugh, even distastefully, at the insanity of the world, then clearly the light at the end of the tunnel named 'fascism' is closer than I thought.
But if there are no appropriate jokes, I'll just have to make do with some inappropriate satire. I.e. the girl should not be at all traumatised; once she can be trained to kill exclusively black people, she has a splendid career as a cop ahead of her. Hoorah! The American Dream Strikes Back!
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Fuckin go ahead and laugh like a loon if you have the stomach for it; all I personally said is that I wasn't inclined to do it. My stomach is currently experiencing unrest.
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Why does a 9 year old girl need to know how to handle a sub-machine gun?
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As posted about in the Purg thread, a starter weapon (which I'd not call that) would be a single shot pellet gun, followed by a 22 single shot, requiring both loading up a shell, pulling back the firing pin manually and then pulling the trigger. And from prone.
I have the general impression of limited regulations about any firearms in America. Which is not very good. But I'd also put more limits on the violent media children are exposed to. First person shooter video games played by children of single digit ages are also problematic. Which is a tangent.
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Why from prone, no_prophet? Guessing: easier to control?
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Originally posted by Ariel:
Why does a 9 year old girl need to know how to handle a sub-machine gun?
That's just it; the experience wasn't being provided as actual training, it was being sold as entertainment. Like a bungee-jump or something.
AR: Yes, more stable.
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[cross-posted]
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Why does a 9 year old girl need to know how to handle a sub-machine gun?
I suspect the reason her parents took her there was not for need to know, but for fun. That may not seem like any better of a reason.
"Look, out here in Arizona they let you go right in and fire machine guns, unlike back home in New Jersey which has all those nasty laws. Let's take DD shooting and film... well, we'll film whatever happens next."
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Oh Ariel, doncha know? It's for her protection. All children should know how to handle guns. The NRA has a little film out called "Eddie Eagle," where he tells the littlest ones that if they find Mommy or Daddy's gun lying around the house they are not to touch it. Once they've been through that pre-school phase they are ready for their first guns and it's all perfectly safe so long as they are taught not to point it at their sister, 'specially when it's loaded. Ah, if only those kids at Newtown had been allowed to take their guns to school a tragedy would have been adverted.
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I know the arguments because, like Kelly, I've been through the debate wars with this one. I always "lose," because my sources are from the Centers of Disease Control and theirs are from the NRA itself. The last man I argued this out with was a pastor of a church in Indiana where he says that although he usually "carries," he doesn't need to when he preaches because he knows most of the men in his congregation are armed.
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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:
I suspect the reason her parents took her there was not for need to know, but for fun. That may not seem like any better of a reason.
It's a ghastly reason. It's like selling tickets to a tiger cuddle experience.
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Well, I guess she'll be guaranteed therapy sessions for the rest of her life - but I doubt whether she'll end up feeling guilty about it after she gets over the shock. Anyone can see that there were several others more to blame for this "accident".
The worst part will be the jokes she'll have to endure as a teenager when she begins dating. Oh, and probably being the pin-up darling of some seriously screwed up gun-toting factions...
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She's nine years old. Kids that age are still hugely egocentric.Kids that age would feel responsible if they had a bad thought about grandma and she died the next day. Of course she is going to feel responsible. Unconvincing her of that is going to be a gargantuan task.
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Originally posted by Ariel:
Why does a 9 year old girl need to know how to handle a sub-machine gun?
Or any gun for that matter
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Originally posted by Spike:
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Originally posted by Ariel:
Why does a 9 year old girl need to know how to handle a sub-machine gun?
Or any gun for that matter
I would teach my 9-year-old girl how to handle a nail gun, if the opportunity arose. I wouldn't let her use one in the bump-activated mode.
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Originally posted by Boogie:
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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:
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Originally posted by Spike:
Fuck whether it's an Uzi or anything else. I find the whole concept of a "starter weapon" of any description utterly disgusting.
Why? Because people should never start learning to use guns? Or because they should only start when they can handle a full-size gun? Or something else?
People should never start learning to use guns.
They should be illegal outside the military in my view.
What a nonsensical and utterly illogical idea. Many rural people in the US rely on hunting as a source of food - do you think they should starve instead?
We have extremely tight gun control in the UK, which is a good thing - but that's not the same as making guns illegal.
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Originally posted by Autenrieth Road:
Why from prone, no_prophet? Guessing: easier to control?
It only drops that shorter distance, usually well less than a foot, versus from standing, even with a bench and support, the shooter can lose footing and take the gun with them on their fall. A shooting bench with a mount that rigidly holds the gun is useful, but doesn't teach anything about managing the gun. But with a child, gee, I wonder if we might.
I don't own any guns at all myself, and haven't shot one for going on 30 years. I do recall well what I was taught and still have a certificate from 1970.
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Originally posted by Spike:
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Originally posted by Ariel:
Why does a 9 year old girl need to know how to handle a sub-machine gun?
Or any gun for that matter
It was tradition in my family to get your first gun (as in the first gun belonging to you) for your eleventh birthday. At which point you were expected to take your place among the hunters and at least occasionally put food on the table.
Living in a house with guns, it was important to teach and be taught gun safety from a very early age just in case someone got stupid or careless with their gun. That also included learning to shoot different types of guns from very young ages.
I don't know why anyone outside of the military needs to learn to handle sub-machine guns.
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I don't know why anyone outside of the military needs to learn to handle sub-machine guns.
So they can join up to fight with or against ISIS, or some country's army. They can further practice by playing video games.
The kid's therapy can be desensitization don't you think? First tell her that it was just like a video game and then get her to play incessantly. It will help her when she has kill some brown person somewhere.
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I learned to shoot a rifle in Boy Scouts, at age 10. We used single-shot bolt-action 22 rifles, and shot prone at circular targets in a very controlled environment. (We were told when we could enter the area, when we could pick up our guns, when we could start firing, when we had to lay down our guns, etc.) I was neither scarred for life, nor did I become a raving gun lunatic.
But an Uzi? Seriously? It's madness to give a weapon like that to someone who cannot be counted upon to be strong enough to control it.
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Originally posted by Pyx_e:
start them young
My nomination for post of the year.
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You have to wonder about the mentality of adults who think it is ok to allow children to use guns. But this is what America seems to want so they get what they deserve I'm afraid.
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I used to be a Boys' Brigade leader, and one of my fellow leaders occasionaly brought a rifle in for the older lads to have a go with, but a 9mm Uzi? For a 9 year old??
I understand the point about people needing to be taught how to use guns properly - I don't agree, ut I can seewhere that argument comes from - but this wasn't about that, it was about a so-called "fun" day out.
I don't have the words to describe the stupidity of the parents, the owners of the place, or anyone else involved.
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Originally posted by Ariel:
Why does a 9 year old girl need to know how to handle a sub-machine gun?
Because she's planning to visit Rotherham?
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Originally posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger:
I don't have the words to describe the stupidity of the parents, the owners of the place, or anyone else involved.
Indeed. And if she'd taken out the parents as well, it would have been no more than they deserved.
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Originally posted by bib:
You have to wonder about the mentality of adults who think it is ok to allow children to use guns. But this is what America seems to want so they get what they deserve I'm afraid.
More Americans were killed by under 6's finding and playing with guns in the USA than by terrorists last year ![[Frown]](frown.gif) One was a two year old.
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Originally posted by mousethief:
I learned to shoot a rifle in Boy Scouts, at age 10. We used single-shot bolt-action 22 rifles, and shot prone at circular targets in a very controlled environment. (We were told when we could enter the area, when we could pick up our guns, when we could start firing, when we had to lay down our guns, etc.) I was neither scarred for life, nor did I become a raving gun lunatic.
But an Uzi? Seriously? It's madness to give a weapon like that to someone who cannot be counted upon to be strong enough to control it.
What MT said. That was my experience as well, and I agree wholeheartedly about the rank idiocy of handing an Uzi to a 9 year old.
<goes to check my meds - I don't often agree with you on this topic, MT. ![[Biased]](wink.gif) >
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Siegfried
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Originally posted by Jade Constable:
What a nonsensical and utterly illogical idea. Many rural people in the US rely on hunting as a source of food - do you think they should starve instead?
I call BS on this claim. Outside of a few remote villages in Alaska, I can find no supporting information that hunting is the primary form of food acquisition in the US. And even there, it's hunting AND fishing, not purely hunting.
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Life is just a bowl of cherries!
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Piglet
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Originally posted by Twilight:
... most of the men in his congregation are armed ...
So that they can shoot the choir if they don't like the anthem? Or is it so that they can go and hunt their Sunday lunch after the service?
I wouldn't deprive hunters of their guns, assuming that they were stored properly etc., etc., but I'm with Ariel and Spike: I can think of no reason whatsoever why a nine-year-old should be handling any sort of gun. Ever.
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Twilight
Puddleglum's sister
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Originally posted by piglet:
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Originally posted by Twilight:
... most of the men in his congregation are armed ...
So that they can shoot the choir if they don't like the anthem? Or is it so that they can go and hunt their Sunday lunch after the service?
I wouldn't deprive hunters of their guns, assuming that they were stored properly etc., etc., but I'm with Ariel and Spike: I can think of no reason whatsoever why a nine-year-old should be handling any sort of gun. Ever.
I think it's so, when that crazed, wildly shooting gun man comes in busting into their little church, they will be the hero who saves everyone. Sadly, I think it's a fantasy that lives in the hearts of a lot of gun toting American males.
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Bishops Finger
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Just across the river from me is a place where little kidz and their parents can play (under close supervision) with excavators and diggers - and you guys in the US of A let them play with machine guns?
You are stark, staring, mad - and there is a Special Circle In Hell for any adult who introduces a little child to real guns that can kill....... ![[Waterworks]](graemlins/bawling.gif)
May God forgive you. ![[Votive]](graemlins/votive.gif)
Ian J.
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