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Right, down this end of the world we are reaching the pointy end of the bizarre Super-However-Many-It-Is-Now comp, with the South African Lions team fronting up to the NZ Canterbury Crusaders for the final. Could be quite a battle.

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Originally posted by Zappa:
Right, down this end of the world we are reaching the pointy end of the bizarre Super-However-Many-It-Is-Now comp, with the South African Lions team fronting up to the NZ Canterbury Crusaders for the final. Could be quite a battle.

Lions v Hurricanes
Boden Barrett was sin binned totally unjustifiably. A horrendous call that wrecked the game and the Hurricanes' chances. Is there any other sport where the rules and their interpretations are so contentious and randomly applied?

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Originally posted by Jamat:
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Originally posted by Zappa:
Right, down this end of the world we are reaching the pointy end of the bizarre Super-However-Many-It-Is-Now comp, with the South African Lions team fronting up to the NZ Canterbury Crusaders for the final. Could be quite a battle.

Lions v Hurricanes
Boden Barrett was sin binned totally unjustifiably. A horrendous call that wrecked the game and the Hurricanes' chances. Is there any other sport where the rules and their interpretations are so contentious and randomly applied?

His tackle was good, but he "moved out" so as to move the ball back to his own team. It might be common practice but it's a penalty anywhere and in the 22 usually a yellow card.

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Originally posted by Jamat:
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Originally posted by Zappa:
Right, down this end of the world we are reaching the pointy end of the bizarre Super-However-Many-It-Is-Now comp, with the South African Lions team fronting up to the NZ Canterbury Crusaders for the final. Could be quite a battle.

Lions v Hurricanes
Boden Barrett was sin binned totally unjustifiably. A horrendous call that wrecked the game and the Hurricanes' chances. Is there any other sport where the rules and their interpretations are so contentious and randomly applied?

His tackle was good, but he "moved out" so as to move the ball back to his own team. It might be common practice but it's a penalty anywhere and in the 22 usually a yellow card.

IANAR.

Well that is how Peyper saw it. After replays ISTM very obvious that the Lions tackled player shoved the ball into Barrett who was actually not trying to play it but making an effort to roll away. Still, only a game but one of the reasons the ref's calls are a lottery. It is a shame Peyper and all the officials are South African..not a good look.

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Well that is how Peyper saw it. After replays ISTM very obvious that the Lions tackled player shoved the ball into Barrett who was actually not trying to play it but making an effort to roll away. Still, only a game but one of the reasons the ref's calls are a lottery. It is a shame Peyper and all the officials are South African..not a good look.

TBH, if I was playing nowadays there is no way the ball would have been rucked back to the attacking side, so I'd have got a ten-minute break too (and a few bruises).

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I see Peyper is going to ref the final.
If the Crusaders win this one they will be indeed the best!

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Nice wee touch for the Kids down under her in lil ol NZ.
Nigel Owens turned up to ref an under 15s final as a warm up for doing the All Blacksv Aussies on Sat.
Love it when these guys look after the kids.

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NZ 57. SA 0
Boring.

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25-24 this time and wow. The 'Boks are back (again).

Oh look - the officials agreed with me: Malcolm Marks was named man of the match despite being on the losing side. Kitshoff had a massive game, as did the skipper Etzebeth and Serfontein ... just a mammoth struggle that coiuld have gone either way. A red card in the last six minutes didn't make much difference as it had to be a yellow at least under the laws. Crotty's try probably was the right call, but room for debate.

So the difference in the end was that the ABs had no stand-out players (though McKenzie was amazing)
All in all an invigorating start to the day and the universe in order at last but full-squad seamless depth. If the Boks continue to play like they did today then the battle for the World Cup will be amazing.

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Oh dear, Gatland has thrown his toys out of the pram.

There were a few selection errors and I don't think he got everything right but Sean O'Brien and others should have paid some attention to other members of the coaching team, which was a pretty moderate assortment with little originality. I'd have taken Steve Borthwick as a line-out specialist but none of the others.

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For only the second time in 19 matches, the Wobblies beat the All Blacks. Game was close, very intense and fast-moving , esp in the second half. Admittedly it was the last match in a dead rubber, but it does suggest that the Wobblies may win a few more matches on the NH tour at the end of the year.

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So gallant Wales went down to the Wallabies. Handling errors and some poor discipline was our undoing - I've got to hope we sharpen up a bit before we take on the mighty ABs at the end of the month.

Thought there was some eccentric refereeing at the England-Argentina match: the sin-binning at the beginning really did look undeserved.

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So gallant Wales went down to the Wallabies. Handling errors and some poor discipline was our undoing - I've got to hope we sharpen up a bit before we take on the mighty ABs at the end of the month.

If Wales can sharpen up their defence and concede fewer turnovers they will be a real threat, especially if Jonathan Davies is OK. The idea of a ball-playing #12, like the Australasian second five-eighth, is gaining popularity so it looks like Jamie Roberts days could are over.
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Thought there was some eccentric refereeing at the England-Argentina match: the sin-binning at the beginning really did look undeserved.

It should be a huge wake-up call to England who would have lost to a side with a decent goal kicker. The penalty count was not impressive. A good side works out what the ref is penalising and adjusts its game. There's no point whinging.
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Loads of international rugby over the weekend. Germany beat Brazil, showing that they don't only play football. The biggest climbers in the world rankings when they come out tomorrow will be the Netherlands, up from 33rd to 28th in the world after thumping Moldova 7-59. Just thought you'd like to know.
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Wet and slippery conditions turned to England's advantage in the end. The 'magic ball' which didn’t go for touch helped too.

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Wet and slippery conditions turned to England's advantage in the end. The 'magic ball' which didn’t go for touch helped too.

FWIW England did get the benefit of decisions, notably yellow cards. England could have had one or two.

I don't think the decisions by the TMO regarding Australian "tries" were wrong, but I reckon the ref. asked the wrong question for the one that would have levelled the score with 15 minutes to go: that knocked the spirit out of Australia.

Oh, and my Welsh friends all reckon Georgia were unlucky.

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The ABs turned on their last reserves of mojo against poor Wales. 1953 seems a long time ago, and my sympathies were almost - almost - with Wales.

Meanwhile congratulations Scotland. [Yipee] [Yipee]

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Sam Cane should have been MoM, not Ioane. Bloody show-pony backs get all the glory [Roll Eyes]

Navidi was best of the plucky Welsh side.

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The atmosphere in Cardiff yesterday was amazing and the singing in the stadium unbelievable.

Obviously, I'm gutted that the ABs won, but we put up a much better show. Still frustrating that with all the possession we had in the first half wasn't converted to more points.

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The atmosphere in Cardiff yesterday was amazing and the singing in the stadium unbelievable.

Obviously, I'm gutted that the ABs won, but we put up a much better show. Still frustrating that with all the possession we had in the first half wasn't converted to more points.

I think Scotland's performance against Australia got the crowd going - The Scots were magnificent and should be a real force in the Six Nations this year.

Wales were up against Old Fashioned Kiwi resilience. Just when you think you think your through, there's a last ditch tackle (like the one that bundled Hogg into touch against Scotland).

England aren't going to win the 6N unless they cut the penalty count down - way too many against Samoa. They are brilliant behind but they have to get the ball legitimately.

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... The Scots were magnificent and should be a real force in the Six Nations ...

I do hope you're right! [Smile]

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Originally posted by Zappa:
The ABs turned on their last reserves of mojo against poor Wales. 1953 seems a long time ago, and my sympathies were almost - almost - with Wales.

Meanwhile congratulations Scotland. [Yipee] [Yipee]

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A generally good performance by Wales against South Africa, with the very recently qualified Hadleigh Parkes looking useful in the centre.

This Six Nations could be better than ever and England have an embarrassment of riches at lock and in the back row. There are some conundrums there such as where one plays Maro Itoje. TBH, I'd start him on the bench: partly because he isn't one of our best two locks (Lawes and Launchbury fill those slots), he gets penalised far too often (bad for a back row player) and he simply isn't in the form he was in when he broke into the England side.

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Champions Cup group stages over and there are four French sides, two Irish, one English and for the first time in years, a Welsh team! I'm pleased to see Scarlets in as they have played some of the best rugby in the entire tournament. The English clubs have all been below par with Leicester and Northampton especially woeful. Exeter blew it at the last, losing to Glasgow.

One of the quarter-finals is Leinster v Saracens: On reputations that's probably equal to a final but it could be a walloping for Saracens.

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Champions Cup group stages over and there are four French sides, two Irish, one English and for the first time in years, a Welsh team! I'm pleased to see Scarlets in as they have played some of the best rugby in the entire tournament. The English clubs have all been below par with Leicester and Northampton especially woeful. Exeter blew it at the last, losing to Glasgow.

One of the quarter-finals is Leinster v Saracens: On reputations that's probably equal to a final but it could be a walloping for Saracens.

2 seasons ago Moseley travelled to play Leinster in a pre-season friendly. Of course, we all assumed that, such is the disparity between the teams, we'd be playing some sort of Leinster A/Academy side. Leinster had other ideas. It was the full Leinster side, and the result wasn't pretty.

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It really is the game that batters. England have sixteen of the Italy match squad out injured (including five starters) so Eddie Jones has changed the training plan. This isn't the first time he has done so: the ill-fated "judo training" a while back put a few on the injured list and it looks like EJ's training scheme causes more injuries than it prevents. I'm all for vigour and contact but you can't play 30+ games and train twice a week from August to May without getting broken, possibly permanently.

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The Welsh injury list gets longer and longer.
  • Dan Biggar - out for at least the first 3 matches
  • Rhys Priestland - out for the whole 6 Nations
  • Rhys Webb - sidelined through injury for ??2 matches
  • Jonathan Davies - out for the whole thing due to a foot injury
  • Sam Warburton - out following surgery
  • Dan Lydiate - out after injuring his knee against South Africa in early December
  • Taulupe Falatau - may be named in the squad but knee injury likely to mean he misses first 3 games
  • Liam Williams - ongoing row with Saracens over their playing him when he was nursing an injury: now out of the 6 Nations
How on earth is Warren Gatland meant to name a side, never mind an in-depth squad, with an injury list like that?

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That doesn't include tight-five forwards. I think Kenny Owens and Jake Ball are out too, maybe more.

Wales and Ireland just don't have the depth that England and France have, while Scotland and Italy have fewer players still playing at the top level. England could leave the entire Italy match squad at home and select an alternative one that would be competitive although it probably wouldn't win more than a couple of games, let alone the championship.

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Well, that was gratifying! 2 tries within the first ten minutes and a final score of 34-7.

I'll admit I was worried because of our injury list but the side Wales put on the field played a blinder.

Meanwhile, the match in Paris was shocking - not helped by appalling weather. Johnny Sexton's drop-goal in injury time was epic, but the French must be wondering where they go now.

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There are times when England are the most frustrating team on earth. After scoring from the first opportunity in such a way that few teams could have prevented they conceded so many penalties that cost them possibly three more tries before half-time. Then again, Italy conceded a shedload too, particularly their hooker who had a bad day all round.

You could say that these things even themselves out, but better side don't conceded so many penalties. Just as well we've got them at Twickenham this year.

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Eddie Jones is now trying to psych-out the Welsh team, suggesting that Patchell isn't up to the task of wearing the number 10 shirt, going so far as to say his team-mates doubt he can perform at Twickenham.

Then, just in case anyone was in any doubt what he was up to, he claims that our captain, Alun Wyn Jones, interfered with the taking of the Scots' conversion of their try last Saturday, saying he has reported the so-called "incident" to World Rugby. Mr Jones should watch last Saturday's Wales-Scotland match properly, rather than from behind the sofa: then he'd see that AWJ was not interfering with Finn Russell but was still bent double and trying to catch his breath after chasing back up the pitch.

The message we can all take from this West of Offa's Dyke is that Jones and his men are less than confident about tomorrow's encounter at Twickenham - memories of 2015 maybe? [Killing me]

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I've seen those comments too and can only suggest that EJ has been opening his mouth and letting the wind blow his tongue around (as my mother used to say).

Patchell and Alan Wyn Jones were probably Wales outstanding players last week. This should fire them up nicely for Saturday's game!

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You know you've been robbed when Clive Woodward and Jonny Wilkinson both agree that Jerome Garces and the TMO got it wrong and should have given a try. Disgraceful.

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Well, that was gratifying! 2 tries within the first ten minutes and a final score of 34-7.

Sadly I only saw the highlights. But what highlights they were!

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You know you've been robbed when Clive Woodward and Jonny Wilkinson both agree that Jerome Garces and the TMO got it wrong and should have given a try. Disgraceful.

Absolutely it was a grounding. But it was also a knock on just before so right decision for completely the wrong reason.

Disappointing from the officials but Wales weren't robbed.

If you Don't believe me, check the replay; finger tips on to knee...

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You know you've been robbed when Clive Woodward and Jonny Wilkinson both agree that Jerome Garces and the TMO got it wrong and should have given a try.

Robbed of 5 points quite possibly, not necessarily the match without Halfpenny to claim the extra 2.

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Actually AFZ the rule states that if the ball comes off the knee then it is NOT deemed to be knocked forward. A ball that is touched, even if just by fingertips, before striking the same player's knee and then going on to hit the ground is therefore not a knock-on.

Watch again and listen to the TMO - he explicitly states that it wasn't a knock-on.

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The Scotland game was a bit of a cracker in the end - well worth leaving DIY duties for.

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Originally posted by L'organist:
Actually AFZ the rule states that if the ball comes off the knee then it is NOT deemed to be knocked forward. A ball that is touched, even if just by fingertips, before striking the same player's knee and then going on to hit the ground is therefore not a knock-on.

Watch again and listen to the TMO - he explicitly states that it wasn't a knock-on.

Hi L'organist. I my be wrong but according to World Rugby the law doesn't state that at all. The TMO also explicitly stated that the ball wasn't grounded so I don't quite see your point.

Ultimately the officials decision is final, and we can see that on the scoreboard but I stand by what I said, I think the TMO got both bits wrong. In terms of Evans - it was only looked at once, whilst the grounding was looked at several times. Having watched the replay a few times, I can see that the ball came off Evan's hand as well as his knee...

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Even if you accept that Steff Evans' fingertips touched the ball (which is unclear unless we can have access to film from the other side) it is irrelevant since the ball went backwards from him, not forwards: so no knock-on.

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quote:
Originally posted by L'organist:
Even if you accept that Steff Evans' fingertips touched the ball (which is unclear unless we can have access to film from the other side) it is irrelevant since the ball went backwards from him, not forwards: so no knock-on.

It's really not unclear. If you look at the video (BBC Website); there is no doubt it came off his fingers. Fingers, knee or knee, fingers is less clear.

Either way, you seem to want it both ways; the TMO either was wrong about the grounding and NOT looking at the potential Knock-on or he wasn't. You can't have it that the grounding was a wrong call without looking at the Evans part as well. I fully accept that I may be wrong, but having looked at the video really closely, to me, it looks like a grounding AND a knock-on...

OTOH, most England fans still think England scored a try in the 2007 World Cup Final...

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quote:
Originally posted by alienfromzog:
quote:
Originally posted by L'organist:
Even if you accept that Steff Evans' fingertips touched the ball (which is unclear unless we can have access to film from the other side) it is irrelevant since the ball went backwards from him, not forwards: so no knock-on.

It's really not unclear. If you look at the video (BBC Website); there is no doubt it came off his fingers. Fingers, knee or knee, fingers is less clear.

Either way, you seem to want it both ways; the TMO either was wrong about the grounding and NOT looking at the potential Knock-on or he wasn't. You can't have it that the grounding was a wrong call without looking at the Evans part as well. I fully accept that I may be wrong, but having looked at the video really closely, to me, it looks like a grounding AND a knock-on...

OTOH, most England fans still think England scored a try in the 2007 World Cup Final...

AFZ

And England should have had a penalty try in the 1991 final, but a Welsh referee gave a penalty instead for a deliberate knock-on! England kicked the penalty, but that made it 12-6,instead of 12-9.

Worse still, the knockdown was by an Australian.

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quote:
Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
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Originally posted by alienfromzog:
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Originally posted by L'organist:
Even if you accept that Steff Evans' fingertips touched the ball (which is unclear unless we can have access to film from the other side) it is irrelevant since the ball went backwards from him, not forwards: so no knock-on.

It's really not unclear. If you look at the video (BBC Website); there is no doubt it came off his fingers. Fingers, knee or knee, fingers is less clear.

Either way, you seem to want it both ways; the TMO either was wrong about the grounding and NOT looking at the potential Knock-on or he wasn't. You can't have it that the grounding was a wrong call without looking at the Evans part as well. I fully accept that I may be wrong, but having looked at the video really closely, to me, it looks like a grounding AND a knock-on...

OTOH, most England fans still think England scored a try in the 2007 World Cup Final...

AFZ

And England should have had a penalty try in the 1991 final, but a Welsh referee gave a penalty instead for a deliberate knock-on! England kicked the penalty, but that made it 12-6,instead of 12-9.

Worse still, the knockdown was by an Australian.

Yep, I remember it well. David Campese...
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World Rugby have looked at what happened on Saturday; they have confirmed that the TMO made a mistake and that Garces should have been told he could award try.

Of course it doesn't mean Wales would have won the game but ... it leaves a bitter taste in the mouth.

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World Rugby have looked at what happened on Saturday; they have confirmed that the TMO made a mistake and that Garces should have been told he could award try.

Of course it doesn't mean Wales would have won the game but ... it leaves a bitter taste in the mouth.

Makes me wonder. How often have World Rugby carried out post-mortems of this nature? The game could be facing a shortage of referees if this becomes the done thing. A number of respected cricket umpires have quit since video replays were introduced and those who have taken their place haven't been half as good.

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Well, there’ll be a high time in the old town tonight (and the New Town, Corstorphine, Niddrie Mains, Morningside, Leith...)
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There'll be plenty of human flotsam drifting in the gutters in the morn!

That was not what anyone expected - least of all the England team, by the looks of them. The Scotland who almost beat the ABs turned up again, and Finn Russell in particular was electric.

I've had to chain the Knotweed to an anvil to stop her floating off, she may not sleep for days.

It was a bloody good watch, too. Perhaps not quite as gripping as the finish of Wales-Ireland, but I can't see there'll be many complaints north of Berwick.

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Well, this Welsh household was a little down after the result from Dublin but greatly cheered at the result from Edinburgh. Well done Scotland!

A visiting friend of the children (a rugby-playing Kiwi they met on their travels) has watched the previous matches as well as todays, and we found his comments about the Murrayfield match interesting: first he noted how fit Nigel Owens must be - evidenced by his keeping up with the action better than most other referees - and then he remarked that, in his opinion, the difference between the previous matches and today's Scotland-England tie was that the refereeing was tighter, better and fairer. Interesting?

Anyway, a few drams of the Scottish nectar have been sunk here this evening.

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Well, this Welsh household was a little down after the result from Dublin but greatly cheered at the result from Edinburgh. Well done Scotland!.

Rather like England and Germany in soccer tournaments, not always easy to discern between the joy of one winning and the other getting beaten. [Razz]

England were beat fair and square. The way England were being dispossessed at the breakdowns from the start didn't bode well for Jones' squad.
Ireland's Grand Slam hopes will be heightened having watched that performance.

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All that puffing and grunting in scrummaging practice against the Georgians did England no favours at all. The Scots were so much better at the breakdown that it wasn't until Sam Underhill came on that England really competed. England's three lock forwards scheme doesn't look so good now and they may want to have Itoje on the bench to come on with 25-30 minutes to go.
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