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Melon
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You can try it out here using your Ship user name and password.
Note that you'll need a recent version of Sun java. If you get a message to the effect that your browser doesn't know what to do with jnlp files, you need to upgrade here.*
The first time you use the café, the software will install itself on your machine. After that it should start up much more quickly.
Tell us what you think on this thread - we plan to tweak the interface ahead of the official April 1st launch. The main thing we want to check at this point is that the server is stable.
* ... if you are running Windows or Linux. For Mac users it will either just work or just not work, and in the latter case you need to pay $$$ to Apple in order to be able to use the software that everyone else gets for free.
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Paul.
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It's good. Nice clean simple interface. I'm not a huge fan of the speech bubbles thing but that's an aesthetic taste thing.
For the few minutes I was there it was stable. Quick too - the old digichat had a tendency to "pause" or be sluggish scrolling at times.
When I clicked on the Welcome button I got an empty square character instead of what I presume was supposed to be an accented e, in "Welcome to the Café", which is odd because the same character showed up fine in the chat window itself when Melon used it.
It's good to have the café back. Thanks to Melon, Gwaelod, Simon and everyone else involved.
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amber.
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Originally posted by Melon:
You can try it out here using your Ship user name and password.
Note that you'll need a recent version of Sun java. If you get a message to the effect that your browser doesn't know what to do with jnlp files, you need to upgrade here.*
The first time you use the café, the software will install itself on your machine. After that it should start up much more quickly.
Tell us what you think on this thread - we plan to tweak the interface ahead of the official April 1st launch. The main thing we want to check at this point is that the server is stable.
* ... if you are running Windows or Linux. For Mac users it will either just work or just not work, and in the latter case you need to pay $$$ to Apple in order to be able to use the software that everyone else gets for free.
Excellent - it works! Well done the team...
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Chorister
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Well, it didn't crash the whole time I was in there and the croc leather seats were very comfortable.
I like having our own avatars to take with us - that's the best feature.
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Ancient Mariner
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Come and join us now - holding up nicely.
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sophs
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Originally posted by Melon:
* ... if you are running Windows or Linux. For Mac users it will either just work or just not work, and in the latter case you need to pay $$$ to Apple in order to be able to use the software that everyone else gets for free.
Is this gonna be the case when the cafe goes live? 'cos if so...that sucks.
(The software, not Melon)
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Melon
Ship's desserter
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Yes - take it up with the leader of the Cult of Mac.
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AdamPater
Sacristan of the LavaLamp
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![[Frown]](frown.gif) not working with Debian "iceweasel" or "iceape" versions of Firefox.
Downloaded, installed and verified Java(TM) Plug-in 1.6.0_05-b13, but the jnlp file is still not recognised. Must be my bad somewhere.
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R.A.M.
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Very smooth sailing, I was subject to sudden streams of messages coming through all at once, but I presume that was just people "speaking" at the same time.
I think it is a bit much for my machine when I have everything else running in the background, mind. I will pop in again soon.
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Robert Armin
All licens'd fool
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I'm afraid I'm getting nowhere too. When I register a box appears saying "Attempting connection to host" with a bar beneath it, but nothing happens after that - not even any green creeping up the bar. And on the original frame there is a little box that looks as though it wants me to tick it, but the instructions next to it are grey on blue, and I can't read them sadly.
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R.A.M.
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quote:
Originally posted by sophs:
quote:
Originally posted by Melon:
* ... if you are running Windows or Linux. For Mac users it will either just work or just not work, and in the latter case you need to pay $$$ to Apple in order to be able to use the software that everyone else gets for free.
Is this gonna be the case when the cafe goes live? 'cos if so...that sucks.
(The software, not Melon)
Mine just worked, I never intentionally downloaded/bought it. I am running an old iBook G4 with Leopard.
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Working here - and lots of fun too!
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Jack o' the Green
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Mine's working (Windows XP with Firefox). Love the layout. A job very well done.
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Melon
Ship's desserter
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Old Mac hardware should work fine, but you need a fairly recent version of OS X - I think 10.4 is the earliest that has a recent-enough version of java. Just be glad Gwaelod didn't use any java 1.7 features, as Steve Jobs refused to ship that with Leopard...
Wanderer, that sounds like a port issue. You need to open port 25424 of your firewall for TCP traffic.
AdamPater, Firefox uses completely different file associations to the rest of Linux, for reasons that have never been clear to me. Note that our software doesn't run in the browser at all - the browser passes it over to Java Webstart, and, if you save the desktop shortcut, you can then run it without starting your browser at all.
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AdamPater
Sacristan of the LavaLamp
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Originally posted by Melon:
AdamPater, ... if you save the desktop shortcut, you can then run it without starting your browser at all.
I don't understand. Do you mean to save the .jnlp file? I can read it with a text editor, and see that it is a lot of xml, but I have no idea what to do with it.
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Robert Armin
All licens'd fool
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You have to load the new software on the link above first
Done that. quote:
and then you download the cafe stuff
How?
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Wanderer, that sounds like a port issue. You need to open port 25424 of your firewall for TCP traffic.
WHAT??? Can you put that more simply for a pc moron?
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BroJames
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I've just been aboard the Café ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
It seems really stable. I like the interface. The only thing I wasn't sure about was how to leave. Do you just quit the Café app?
I'm running a Mac G4 iBook, OS X 10.4.11 with Java version J2SE 1.5.0_13.
Brilliant work everybody. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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ebeth
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It appears to be working for me.
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BroJames
Shipmate
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DP to add that after I quit the Café app I relaunched Java Web Start which gave me the opportunity to create a desktop app. from the Café app 'Faverolle'. I think this option may have been offered when it first downloaded - but I didn't want to do it at that point. I have done now.
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Melon
Ship's desserter
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Wanderer, the first thing to try is turning off your firewall and seeing if that makes a difference (and then turning it back on).
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AdamPater
Sacristan of the LavaLamp
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There.. discovered what javaws is, and found that I can come in directly using it, or by explicitly associating .jnlp with javaws in firefox/iceweasel.
Unless I've done something silly in doing so ![[Help]](graemlins/help.gif)
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Rowen
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went in, but lost it.
will talk to computer nerd friend asap.
looked good though.
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rufiki
Ship's 'shroom
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Does anyone know what kind of Java I should download for Ubuntu Feisty Fawn?
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Pooks
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Woooohooooo! It's working fine for me. Thank you for the hard work everyone. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. ![[Overused]](graemlins/notworthy.gif)
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Melon
Ship's desserter
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Whatever you are running, the answer is "Sun Java", because none of the other versions do Java Webstart properly. I'm using Ubuntu myself, although I think I installed java manually from the Sun website rather than via adept/synaptic.
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Melon
Ship's desserter
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Arrietty is talking to me. Can I blame that on the software?
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Arrietty
Ship's borrower
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I can't see what I'm typing in your private room so it looks like the anti-Arrietty feature has kicked in.
The log says
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Chat rect 4835 4835
Buffer position = 0
Received XML = '<speech from="a495">yeah</speech>'
Consuming speech
Bubble not null
Chat rect 4832 4832
Buffer position = 0
<speak>well a private room allows a private convo between more than two people</speak>
<speak>oh</speak>
<speak>I can't see what I'm typing now</speak>
ETA - I can't move rooms either so it looks as if I've been frozen out.
Not for the first time. ![[Snigger]](graemlins/snigger.gif)
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AdamPater
Sacristan of the LavaLamp
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One annoying feature is that the private conversation windows snatch focus. This interrupts one's typing very inconveniently. Some conversations need to be separated!
Otherwise great... seemed very robust and fun. It's nice to 'see' friends again.
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rufiki
Ship's 'shroom
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Originally posted by Melon:
Whatever you are running, the answer is "Sun Java", because none of the other versions do Java Webstart properly. I'm using Ubuntu myself, although I think I installed java manually from the Sun website rather than via adept/synaptic.
Thanks Melon. The instructions on the Sun website looked a bit complicated for me - so I went to the Ubuntu pages. Seems to be working fine so far.
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Geneviève
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Got in when I did the java download thingie
Very nicely arranged! Looks like people were doing the quick tour--or else only my avatar showed up in any rooms except the bridge!
Not being a computer geek, i can't even imagine the amount of work this took, but thank you, thank you!
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Curiosity killed ...
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If you put up the list of rooms you can see the number of people in each room, and double click on the name to join them.
We've created a room and are all in there atm.
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Nigel M
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User Acceptance Testing seems to be Looking Foolish and ready for April 1!
If there's an option for any Requests for Change - the small type option comes up too small to read on screen.
Otherwise, the window came up OK on Ubuntu with Firefox.
Well done!
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Melon
Ship's desserter
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Please do post your feedback here. I can't promise that we'll make any changes you suggest, but I can pretty much guarantee that we won't make any changes you don't suggest...
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Originally posted by Late Paul:
It's good. Nice clean simple interface. I'm not a huge fan of the speech bubbles thing but that's an aesthetic taste thing.
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Imaginary Friend
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Originally posted by Late Paul:
It's good. Nice clean simple interface. I'm not a huge fan of the speech bubbles thing but that's an aesthetic taste thing.
It's more than that - the bubbles take up so much space. I think it'll be awkward to follow a conversation if there's more that three or four people in a room at once.
Edited to add - If others like the speech bubbles, then how about an option to turn them off (like the decaff option)?
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Curiosity killed ...
Ship's Mug
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To switch the bubbles off or change them so you can see more of the conversation, you can:
- expand the page - it makes the script run across the page and most things only take a line
- change to decaff option
- change the script size to impossibly small
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Gracious rebel
Rainbow warrior
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OK dumb question, how do I find out what my password is? I'm permanently logged on here and I have no idea what it is!! I must have had it sent to me in an email sometime, but I can't find it.
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Ags
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Not dumb! Log out of the Boards, then try to log in again. Follow the 'Lost Password' link & the lovely Erin or one of her minions will email it to you.
(X-posted!)
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Gracious rebel
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that's rather scary though, having to log out ... I mean what if I can't get back in again!!?!
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Gwaelod
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Originally posted by Melon:
Just be glad Gwaelod didn't use any java 1.7 features, as Steve Jobs refused to ship that with Leopard...
Leopard comes with 1.5. 1.6 is what most people will be running on other systems. 1.7 isn't quite out yet for anybody. 1.6 is still in testing by Apple.
The software won't work with Mac OS 10.3 and lower. For all other Mac users it should just work. It's because Apple manage Java for the OS, and not Sun.
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Curiosity killed ...
Ship's Mug
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If you follow the link, it says anywhere you have to sign in will allow you to click on the lost password link.
and how to change your password to one you remember
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amber.
Ship's Aspiedestra
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When people change rooms, it says they've left. Any chance of a different message to show they've swapped rather than abandoned chat altogether?
Many thanks
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Melon
Ship's desserter
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Originally posted by Gwaelod:
1.6 is what most people will be running on other systems.
Well, yes, because otherwise they'd have to develop one version of the code for Macs and another version for everyone else. Full story here.
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Imaginary Friend
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Originally posted by Curiosity killed ...:
To switch the bubbles off... you can:
I thought that I tried that and the bubbles persisted. Maybe I'm wrong, I'll have to go and check...
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