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The Phantom Flan Flinger
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Originally posted by alienfromzog:
Of course anyone who doesn't know the difference between Scotch and Scots is either terminally stupid or wilfully ignorant and so I shouldn't expect much but...
It's simple - scotch is what the Scots drink.
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The Midge
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Originally posted by The Phantom Flan Flinger:
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Originally posted by alienfromzog:
Of course anyone who doesn't know the difference between Scotch and Scots is either terminally stupid or wilfully ignorant and so I shouldn't expect much but...
It's simple - scotch is what the Scots drink.
There is not much wrong with a country that produces a fine malt. Though I admit that I prefer a drop of smooth Welsh Madeira.
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Chorister
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Originally posted by ExclamationMark:
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Originally posted by Chorister:
Princess Di.
Well. I never saw her in the crowd - must've been banned from the Royal Box for this one.
Time to invent a conspiracy theory that she didn't really die but was spirited away to a remote island where she lives a quiet life unobtrusively clearing away leftover landmines and hiding from holidaymaking paparazzi.
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Cod
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Originally posted by piglet:
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Originally posted by anoesis:
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Originally posted by deano:
I hate the scotch, they hate us [etc.etc.]...
I know this is hell, but honestly - you should be ashamed of yourself. Try expressing the same sort of sentiments as above, but substitute 'negro' or 'Jew' for 'Scot', and ask yourself if it feels acceptable. And don't try and argue that it isn't the same kind of thing - it is.
Thank you, Anoesis - I couldn't have put it better than that. It drives me up the wall that people can be as rude as they like about the Scots (or the English, for that matter) without fear of any kind of censure.
While I agree with the sentiment, it cannot be said that Scots (or English) have suffered anything like the same level of persecution as black or Jewish people, which if probably why it seems less acceptable.
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molopata
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Originally posted by Chorister:
Time to invent a conspiracy theory that she didn't really die but was spirited away to a remote island where she lives a quiet life unobtrusively clearing away leftover landmines and hiding from holidaymaking paparazzi.
Rumour has it that she is making out with Elvis on Saturn.
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Leorning Cniht
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Originally posted by leo:
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Originally posted by alienfromzog:
Apparently the 'Scotland-Labour-effect' is very small:
See here
AFZ
Very interesting - thank you
I think that article understates the effect. The Major government had quite so many issues in part because it had such a slender majority that it was at the mercy of a small number of rebels. Had Major had a 70-seat lead rather than a 20-seat lead, the dynamic of that government would have been rather different. Blair would probably have still won the next election, but without such a dramatic landslide. Michael Portillo, for example, would have kept his seat, and probably been elected Tory leader instead of William Hague. Under Portillo, the Tories would have given Blair a closer run for his money in 2001.
This is without even considering the effect that removing individual Scots from the UK political scene would have had.
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orfeo
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Being a host is like being the curator of a public art space. You set the space up. You advertise the opening to the community. You tell them all about the different materials you're going to provide for them to use. Offer them classes in different media. Try to generate excitement about how this is going to be THEIR space to create, to share with each other.
And then the art space finally opens, and the only contribution on the first morning is a 16-year-old scrawling "GAVIN IS A COCKSUCKER" in large letters.
After a while you start lowering your expectations to the point where a good day is when 'cocksucker' is spelled correctly and in an attractive font.
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Anglican't
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Aren't we being constantly told by art 'experts' that art is only art if it challenges us or shocks us?
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Palimpsest
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Originally posted by orfeo:
...And then the art space finally opens, and the only contribution on the first morning is a 16-year-old scrawling "GAVIN IS A COCKSUCKER" in large letters.
After a while you start lowering your expectations to the point where a good day is when 'cocksucker' is spelled correctly and in an attractive font.
Consider Pompeii. All it takes is a volcano eruption and then the next time the graffiti are seen they're fascinating.
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Firenze
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A pyroclastic flow can move over the Damien Hirsts any time it likes.
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lilBuddha
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Were there a god, it would have already happened.
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Sioni Sais
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The last few posts read rather like the Daily Mail's art and culture column.
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Arethosemyfeet
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Originally posted by Cod:
While I agree with the sentiment, it cannot be said that Scots (or English) have suffered anything like the same level of persecution as black or Jewish people, which if probably why it seems less acceptable.
Highlanders were treated not vastly better than black people in the American south for a while after the '45 rebellion. Even within living memory kids were beaten for using Gaelic in school.
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Arethosemyfeet:
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Originally posted by Cod:
While I agree with the sentiment, it cannot be said that Scots (or English) have suffered anything like the same level of persecution as black or Jewish people, which if probably why it seems less acceptable.
Highlanders were treated not vastly better than black people in the American south for a while after the '45 rebellion. Even within living memory kids were beaten for using Gaelic in school.
The clearances were bad, no doubt. Very bad indeed, but different.
The differences being the degree and length of poor treatment. And that, if so one chooses, a highlander can appear to be other. Not so when you are black. Oh, and if the highlanders were treated as the Jews were, there'd not be a one left.
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Originally posted by Sioni Sais:
The last few posts read rather like the Daily Mail's art and culture column.
This is an evil comment, even for Hell. Mean man.
[ 14. July 2013, 16:14: Message edited by: lilBuddha ]
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Arethosemyfeet
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The treatment of highlanders probably had more in common with the treatment of Native Americans.
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Anglican't
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The satirist Craig Brown writes for the Mail on Sunday's Arts section, so we could perhaps interpret this as high praise.
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Karl: Liberal Backslider
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Originally posted by Anglican't:
Aren't we being constantly told by art 'experts' that art is only art if it challenges us or shocks us?
Erm... no, not really, no. Possibly on Daily Heil Bullshit Mountain but no, not in the real world.
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Og: Thread Killer
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Originally posted by Arethosemyfeet:
The treatment of highlanders probably had more in common with the treatment of Native Americans.
Not really. Scottish chiefs and Lairds who lived on the land kept ownership and the Highlanders were, with some exceptions, shipped out to overseas or to cities.
With a few exceptions, when found on land wanted by colonists or settlers, Native Americans were pretty much exterminated on site within the US until the mid 1800's. Canadians did slightly better only because of the fur trade.
E.g. A reading of American discussions during the early part of the 1800's indicates an almost universal fear, verging on paranoia, of Indians and being scalped. It caused the US to make weird political and military decisions during the War of 1812.
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Uncle Pete
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Aren't we verging off topic to some general chit-chat here?
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Well I could have said anybody who compares the Highland clearances to the chaotic but persistant destruction of all Native Americans, with all the gore and mess and retaliations that money, greed, racism and religion can provide is a tartan fetishing drama queen who has no clue as to the breadth of history but prefers the easy answer because it sounds sensible and pithy on the internet.
Like who the fuck has Genocide envy?!
But that might be going too far.
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Sioni Sais
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Originally posted by PeteC:
Aren't we verging off topic to some general chit-chat here?
We are, but I was hoping for some "Only One True Scotsman" bollocks before this thread sinks beneath the waves of apathy.
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RooK
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Originally posted by PeteC:
general chit-chat
Now I'm hungry for some General Tso's chicken.
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Chorister
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Is his chicken better than Colonel Sanders'?
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lilBuddha
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Originally posted by Chorister:
Is his chicken better than Colonel Sanders'?
Depends on who make it, but generally yes.
[ 15. July 2013, 19:47: Message edited by: lilBuddha ]
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Sioni Sais
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This is fascinating stuff and perfect for the Burnt Offerings thread.
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